March 7, 2019 
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I assume this is an example of something that Windows is hoarding for their API and it's not something that's possible through Vulkan?[19:48:09] <mirv_> I think you mean VK_PRESENT_MODE_IMMEDIATE_KHR?[19:48:43] <mirv_> though for completeness, it should be queried if supported by an implementation[19:51:40] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host109-150-28-226.range109-150.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[20:03:27] <gamester> Yeah it would be seen through that I guess. Nvidia doesn't support immediate mode at all, at least on windows. What confuses me is that one would think that a mode like immediate would depend on whether or not the surface covers the whole monitor, allowing the compositor to get out of the way.[20:09:09] <mirv_> while I can think of reasons that Windows wouldn't allow it even in fullscreen, it'd be basically stabs in the dark for me, sorry[20:09:19] *** LunarJetman <LunarJetman!~fa_eb_fe@94.197.120.100.threembb.co.uk> has joined ##vulkan[20:11:43] *** emersont1 <emersont1!~emersont1@host109-155-5-173.range109-155.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[20:33:21] <gamester> What would happen if a window were dragged to another monitor that's controlled by a different GPU? I assume operating systems support this.[20:34:21] <ratchetfreak> the image gets sent over to the other display controller[20:34:50] <gamester> does the surface not get lost?[20:36:39] <gamester> I would have guessed that the presentation support would go away since the surface is on a different monitor, but maybe not[20:39:57] <Yaniel> that sounds like a scenario where you could legitimately get a device lost error[20:39:57] *** vitimiti <vitimiti!~Celtor@unaffiliated/vitimiti> has joined ##vulkan[20:42:12] <sharpneli> I'd guess just swapchain gets destroyed and you cannot create a new one anymore[20:42:17] <sharpneli> But regardless. Implementation defined.[20:46:41] <gamester> I got confused, surface getting lost doesn't make sense[20:53:59] <gamester> Might the supported present modes for a given surface and physical device change over time due to things like resizing the surface? Right now I just query for present modes once and that's also how vulkan.gpuinfo.org presents it.[20:54:20] <gamester> I'm thinking immediate mode becoming available when surface is made fullscreen[20:54:49] <gamester> theoretically[21:02:10] <sharpneli> Resize is one thing that indeed can cause surface lost[21:05:40] <gamester> whoops, right. I'm curious how vulkan.gpuinfo.org checks for supports if it would depend on size of the window. Does it try fullscreen and windowed and publish a union of the present modes? I'll have to look at the source I guess.[21:16:12] <sharpneli> In general a system with single GPU just gives you a single set of them[21:16:36] <sharpneli> In Windows you can go to the true fullscreen mode with weird DXGI stuff but that's shunned now. Just go bordlerless fullscreen.[21:30:54] *** herbert_cyborg <herbert_cyborg!~herbert_c@c-73-221-192-244.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[21:30:59] *** herbert_cyborg <herbert_cyborg!~herbert_c@c-73-221-192-244.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:31:19] *** herbert_cyborg <herbert_cyborg!~herbert_c@c-73-221-192-244.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[21:31:22] *** herbert_cyborg <herbert_cyborg!~herbert_c@c-73-221-192-244.hsd1.wa.comcast.net> has left ##vulkan[21:31:50] *** blackpawn <blackpawn!blackpawn@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/blackpawn> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[21:35:36] <gamester> sharpneli: Yes, and in borderless fullscreen on D3D12 you can now directly control presentation and even cause tearing, if you so like, even though you're in windowed mode.[21:36:16] <gamester> in other words you get the full efficiency of fullscreen in windowed mode[21:36:44] <gamester> the API seems to be much more powerful than on vulkan at the moment[21:38:06] <sharpneli> Ah they introduced some new things into DXGI then[21:40:33] <sharpneli> Vulkan does allow you to cause tearing. As an example AMD on windows allows it. It's just implementation defined. Nvidia for some reason doesn't allow tearing[21:49:40] <gamester> Right, AMD exposes that by supporting immediate mode. But immediate mode only makes sense in fullscreen or borderless fullscreen, so I assume the supported presentation modes would have to change depending on the surface.[21:50:04] <chrisf> only makes sense?[21:51:51] <sharpneli> Iirc you can select it even without fullscreen window and it works fine[21:52:21] <gamester> oh I guess you could keep handing the compositor a new image that it just won't use, ok I see[21:53:08] <chrisf> gamester: some of us have loads of planes in the display controller, and so the `compositor` is just orchestrating that.[21:54:03] <chrisf> gamester: immediate + non-fullscreen can be quite possible[21:56:16] <gamester> yeah I got stuck to the idea that immediate would mean the application has control of the flipping, which is wrong, and as you can even with a small window you could still have control of a plane[21:56:25] <gamester> as you say*[21:56:35] <gamester> I need sleep[22:02:07] <gamester> "control of a plane" sorry I'm just guessing at this point, no clue what I'm talking about. I'll read about hardware planes later.[22:07:18] *** emersont1 <emersont1!~emersont1@host109-155-5-173.range109-155.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[22:08:20] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host109-150-28-226.range109-150.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[22:12:52] <Yaniel> I think you are looking for the vulkan equivalent of GLX_EXT_swap_control_tear[22:13:52] <Yaniel> apparently VK_PRESENT_MODE_FIFO_RELAXED_KHR[22:23:44] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:29:13] *** jfpoole <jfpoole!~textual@72.143.113.107> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[22:36:38] *** emersont1 <emersont1!~emersont1@2a00:23c5:2e19:c400:977:f486:fb4d:791f> has joined ##vulkan[22:37:41] *** slime73 <slime73!~slime73@blk-215-81-93.eastlink.ca> has joined ##vulkan[22:42:21] *** emersont1 <emersont1!~emersont1@2a00:23c5:2e19:c400:977:f486:fb4d:791f> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[23:06:33] *** glYoda <glYoda!~MTLYoda@c-73-25-27-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: glYoda)[23:33:22] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host109-150-28-226.range109-150.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[23:50:19] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host109-150-28-226.range109-150.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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