February 26, 2018 
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February 26, 2018 [00:03:18] *** ville <ville!~ville@37-136-30-222.rev.dnainternet.fi> has joined ##vulkan[00:03:30] *** ville <ville!~ville@37-136-30-222.rev.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:03:56] *** duckwho1 <duckwho1!~duckwho@dhcp158-157.calvin.edu> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)[00:05:13] <cheako> I did some transformations and some rotations, but I still have this hang after the first frame.[00:06:19] *** duckwho <duckwho!~duckwho@dhcp158-157.calvin.edu> has joined ##vulkan[00:09:28] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7mzgy0p2f49u7u.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:09:57] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7mzgy0p2f49u7u.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined ##vulkan[00:10:23] *** duckwho <duckwho!~duckwho@dhcp158-157.calvin.edu> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:12:31] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-152-129-209.range86-152.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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timeout: 245 seconds)[05:40:46] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has joined ##vulkan[06:15:46] *** sla_ro|master <sla_ro|master!~sla.ro@78.96.209.89> has joined ##vulkan[06:32:39] <cheako> https://pastebin.com/QDz51yYZ This diff shows the changes that went into adding a UBO and in the process made it so that only a few frames would render prior to a lockup in vkAcquireNextImageKHR https://pastebin.com/kDmGpRu3[06:38:06] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[06:59:52] *** sla_ro|master <sla_ro|master!~sla.ro@78.96.209.89> has quit IRC ()[07:08:00] *** tambre <tambre!~tambre@4fe3-de6e-2f8e-a557-ab80-8a0a-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined ##vulkan[07:18:29] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has joined ##vulkan[07:23:13] *** glYoda <glYoda!~MTLYoda@c-73-25-27-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: glYoda)[07:24:44] *** glYoda <glYoda!~MTLYoda@c-73-25-27-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[07:25:22] 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joined ##vulkan[15:30:29] *** meek <meek!ceaeb68a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.206.174.182.138> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[16:01:04] *** herbmillerjr <herbmillerjr!~herb@c-76-120-173-141.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[16:06:07] <Fats> wooho! Vulkan is now available on macOS & iOS with MoltenVK being open-sourced (thanks to Valve). I've been waiting for this.[16:06:30] <Fats> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=vulkan-on-mac[16:06:49] <Fats> https://github.com/KhronosGroup/MoltenVK[16:09:28] <Fats> and feedback thread: https://github.com/KhronosGroup/Vulkan-Ecosystem/issues/23[16:13:59] <Bl4ckb0ne> thats awesome[16:14:38] *** hampusw <hampusw!~Hampus@37.139.156.40> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:27:23] *** marijnfs_ <marijnfs_!~smuxi@2a01:c22:7a24:b600:9666:6db0:5b49:a70b> has joined ##vulkan[16:34:05] *** MrCooper <MrCooper!~MrCooper@2a02:120b:2c39:ae60:3a63:bbff:feca:3701> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:36:28] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@2001:67c:1220:80e:e9:1d2:f14f:e47f> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:41:02] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-152-129-209.range86-152.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[16:43:30] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has joined ##vulkan[16:49:16] *** MrCooper <MrCooper!~MrCooper@230.154.195.178.dynamic.wline.res.cust.swisscom.ch> has joined ##vulkan[17:01:04] <goiko> yeah awesome guys[17:01:06] *** BearishMushroom <BearishMushroom!~BearishMu@82-209-154-59.cust.bredband2.com> has joined ##vulkan[17:05:43] *** herbmillerjr <herbmillerjr!~herb@c-76-120-173-141.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[17:06:36] <ratchetfreak> I'm almost afraid to guess at how much better an opengl on top of vulkan on top of moltenVK will be than the native opengl drivers[17:10:12] <goiko> heh[17:23:13] <sharpneli> I wonder what the perf implications are on MoltenVK[17:23:20] <sharpneli> Likely almost zero[17:29:33] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has joined ##vulkan[17:42:45] *** Sairon <Sairon!~Sairon@185.57.104.138> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[17:56:15] *** random_james_awy is now known as random_james[17:59:44] *** d3x0r <d3x0r!~d3x0r@ip174-72-226-164.lv.lv.cox.net> has joined ##vulkan[18:03:57] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[18:05:53] *** glima <glima!~glima@enlightenment/developer/glima> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[18:08:59] *** herbmillerjr <herbmillerjr!~herb@c-76-120-173-141.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:09:24] *** herbmillerjr <herbmillerjr!~herb@c-76-120-173-141.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[18:13:35] *** marijnfs_ <marijnfs_!~smuxi@2a01:c22:7a24:b600:9666:6db0:5b49:a70b> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[18:14:37] *** herbmillerjr <herbmillerjr!~herb@c-76-120-173-141.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[18:16:30] *** Biolunar <Biolunar!Biolunar@p5B148076.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[18:18:09] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!c351a8d8@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.81.168.216> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:19:58] *** ville_ <ville_!~ville@176-93-104-145.bb.dnainternet.fi> has joined ##vulkan[18:20:11] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has joined ##vulkan[18:20:50] <chrisf> sharpneli: i imagine moltenvk has to leave a fair bit of perf on the table[18:20:53] *** ville <ville!~ville@176-93-118-156.bb.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:21:21] <chrisf> sharpneli: metal's far less aggressive[18:23:14] <sharpneli> chrisf: I mean MoltenVK vs metal directly[18:24:31] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[18:28:18] <cheako> Any ideas on how to debug this? https://pastebin.com/QDz51yYZ This diff shows the changes that went into adding a UBO and in the process made it so that only a few frames would render prior to a lockup in vkAcquireNextImageKHR https://pastebin.com/kDmGpRu3[18:28:53] <chrisf> sharpneli: as long as you stick to things that map well to metal, i imagine it's pretty light[18:31:25] <sharpneli> Yeah. But likely we have to make Metal in anycase at some point in the future[18:31:29] <sharpneli> So it's easy to test.[18:36:37] *** ville_ <ville_!~ville@176-93-104-145.bb.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Quit:)[18:36:56] *** ville <ville!~ville@176-93-104-145.bb.dnainternet.fi> has joined ##vulkan[18:40:02] <cheako> https://pastebin.com/kDmGpRu3 Showes that there are 3 calls to vkAcquireNextImageKHR. Testing shows that there are 3 swapchain_image_count and we are using VK_PRESENT_MODE_MAILBOX_KHR. What would cause the 3rd swapchain image to stall on xshmfence_await?[18:43:12] <cheako> Does each swapchain need it's own ubo?[18:45:02] *** d3x0r <d3x0r!~d3x0r@ip174-72-226-164.lv.lv.cox.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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I am using a deferred renderer so that would mean having having the color/position/normal framebuffers for each. Which can use up a lot of memory on a mobile device with 3 chains in the swapchain[21:23:17] <barque> Please let me know... I'm leaving right now but I will check answers on Vulkan IRC logs on echelog[21:23:27] *** barque <barque!~barque@CPE84948cd55571-CM84948cd55570.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:27:34] *** snyp <snyp!~Snyp@103.56.236.33> has joined ##vulkan[21:28:53] <ratchetfreak> there exists memory that doesn't allocate until needed, if you discard the image at the end of swapchain it won't need to allocate[21:29:52] <ratchetfreak> VK_MEMORY_PROPERTY_LAZILY_ALLOCATED_BIT[21:35:10] <skl> ratchetfreak, if I have 3 frames in my swapchain, I would create 3 of each color/position/normal framebuffers, all 3 could be used at the same time technically (this is what im trying to figure out)? So all those buffers will always be allocated no?[21:35:50] <skl> it'll stop it from being allocated for the first 3 frames, unless I create new images/framebuffers for every new frame[21:36:24] <ratchetfreak> the lazy allocation flag lets the driver not allocate the memory when it doesn't need to save the data on it[21:36:51] <ratchetfreak> it only gets allocated when the driver has to flush the image from cache[21:37:41] <ratchetfreak> but if you tell the driver to discard at the end of the renderpadd (storeOp = Dont_care) then it doesn't need to flush it at all[21:43:03] <skl> hmm so I would create the framebuffers for color/pos/normal for each chain in the swapchain just using that bit? Idk it seems like I don't need to create so many, rendering more than one frame at the same time just doesnt seem to make sense. Is that what the swapchain is for?[21:43:04] *** psychicist__ <psychicist__!~psychicis@ip127-8-212-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl> has joined ##vulkan[21:43:41] *** snyp <snyp!~Snyp@103.56.236.33> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:44:16] <ratchetfreak> you can serialize the render using a barrier[21:44:40] <ratchetfreak> that way you render 1 fframe at a time and you only need 1 image for color/pos/normal[21:45:08] <ratchetfreak> or you can create just 2 and flipflop protected using an event[21:45:10] *** turol <turol!~turo@91-153-38-125.elisa-laajakaista.fi> has joined ##vulkan[21:46:34] <skl> alright, thanks for the help[21:50:53] *** marijnfs_ <marijnfs_!~smuxi@2a01:c22:7a24:b600:9666:6db0:5b49:a70b> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[21:55:01] *** marijnfs_ <marijnfs_!~smuxi@x5ce2ef04.dyn.telefonica.de> has joined ##vulkan[22:00:35] <hanna> Does vulkan.gpuinfo.org not have reports for MoltenVK devices?[22:00:58] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:01:02] <ratchetfreak> it'll take a bit until the database fills up[22:01:28] <ratchetfreak> the data is provided by normal people running the application[22:01:32] <ratchetfreak> ...[22:01:57] <ratchetfreak> is the application to send data compatible with IOS? I don't think so.[22:01:59] <hanna> I'd have expected at least one person to do so in the past X years of MoltenVK existing and being a[22:02:03] <hanna> being a commercial product*[22:02:12] <hanna> but vOv[22:02:24] <hanna> ratchetfreak: Oh, perhaps that's the issue[22:02:33] <hanna> That certainly makes more sense than “nobody has done it”[22:02:51] <ratchetfreak> also from the readme it looks like it is not a standard install[22:02:56] <Yaniel> there is no macOS build either[22:04:59] <chrisf> skl: if you're doing deferred, there is no reason to duplicate your gbuffer images per swapchain image.[22:06:26] <chrisf> skl: if you need to reach back into the previous frame you might want to duplicate some bits[22:06:36] <chrisf> but there's no need to do that for everything[22:07:25] *** marijnfs_ <marijnfs_!~smuxi@x5ce2ef04.dyn.telefonica.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:16:12] *** threenuc <threenuc!~threenuc@88.156.163.16> has joined ##vulkan[22:43:13] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[22:46:07] *** slime <slime!~slime73@24.215.81.93> has joined ##vulkan[22:48:13] <cheako> I got a good suggestion on reddit.[22:48:31] *** Kingsquee <Kingsquee!~kingsquee@d108-180-237-219.bchsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Just Monica.)[23:19:58] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)[23:31:19] <cheako> I solved my problem.[23:46:52] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:49:18] *** ravior <ravior!~crapitea@38.132.111.173> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)