February 25, 2018 
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I was attempting to add a UBO to my vertex shader.[06:58:49] *** tambre <tambre!~tambre@3c5b-0f05-f6db-2826-ab80-8a0a-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined ##vulkan[07:09:26] *** Nilesh_ <Nilesh_!uid116340@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cphgylcrltjbumsb> has joined ##vulkan[07:49:30] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has joined ##vulkan[08:03:41] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host81-155-66-141.range81-155.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[08:37:47] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has joined ##vulkan[08:38:20] *** sla_ro|master <sla_ro|master!~sla.ro@78.96.209.89> has joined ##vulkan[08:57:41] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[09:11:38] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host81-155-66-141.range81-155.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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I was attempting to add a UBO to my vertex shader.[18:16:32] <baldurk> it would help to build the validation layers locally so you could get symbols in the callstack. I also notice you're not fully initialising the VkWriteDescriptorSet, you haven't set dstArrayElement[18:17:20] *** sla_ro|master <sla_ro|master!~sla.ro@78.96.209.89> has joined ##vulkan[18:20:35] <cheako> I'm going off of this https://github.com/SaschaWillems/Vulkan/blob/master/base/VulkanInitializers.hpp#L333 and your right, I don't init that struct.[18:21:26] <baldurk> that looks like it's initialising the struct to 0 though with the {};[18:21:53] <cheako> OMG, that was it... thanks.[18:23:25] *** neure <neure!~tsuoranta@62.209.167.43> has joined ##vulkan[18:23:49] <baldurk> you should also file an issue on the validation layers. They're not always able to verify uninitialised parameters if it's impossible to tell (like a garbage pointer), but in that case it should be able to at least bounds-check the dstArrayElement is within 0 up to the descriptor array size[18:24:11] *** xissburg <xissburg!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has joined ##vulkan[18:29:06] *** xissburg <xissburg!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:36:25] *** xissburg <xissburg!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has joined ##vulkan[18:37:38] *** Deluxe_ <Deluxe_!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[18:38:20] <cheako> These two structs(C++ and shader) don't share the same ordering, I'm also wondering about structure alignment with ubo array elements. https://github.com/SaschaWillems/Vulkan/blob/master/examples/skeletalanimation/skeletalanimation.cpp#L370 https://github.com/SaschaWillems/Vulkan/blob/master/data/shaders/skeletalanimation/mesh.vert#L18[18:38:51] *** Deluxe_ <Deluxe_!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:39:20] <baldurk> looks like a bug. It seems to cancel out with the matrix application order being wrong: gl_Position = ubo.projection * ubo.view * ubo.model * boneTransform * vec4(inPos.xyz, 1.0);[18:40:07] <baldurk> matching structure alignment between C++ and shader isn't too easy, the best way I've found to do it is just to add manual padding elements in C++ where necessary, or just declare float4 even if you only need float3, etc[18:40:45] <cheako> That sounds reasonable.[18:41:03] <ratchetfreak> and/or base the offsets in spirV to the C++ struct[18:41:51] <baldurk> ratchetfreak: unfortunately the vulkan spec has pretty strict requirements on what offsets are legal[18:42:01] <baldurk> you still have more-or-less std140 requirements :([18:42:47] <ratchetfreak> yeah, though once you have a legal C++ struct you can then use that to get the offsets for spirv[18:43:41] <baldurk> right but it's making a std140 compliant C++ struct that's the tricky part[18:45:39] <ratchetfreak> unless you have a std::aligned_storage to deal with the tricky part[18:50:55] *** kasumi-owari <kasumi-owari!~kasumi-ow@ftth-213-233-237-007.solcon.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[18:54:31] <cheako> I'm using cglm that uses alignment tricks for SSE https://github.com/cheako/cheako-vulkan/blob/master/cglm/types.h#L14 So I have to be super careful.[18:54:37] *** kasumi-owari <kasumi-owari!~kasumi-ow@ftth-213-233-237-007.solcon.nl> has joined ##vulkan[18:59:47] *** neurre <neurre!~tsuoranta@mobile-access-bceeee-110.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined ##vulkan[18:59:47] *** neure <neure!~tsuoranta@62.209.167.43> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:07:14] *** neurrre <neurrre!~tsuoranta@mobile-access-bceeee-110.dhcp.inet.fi> has joined ##vulkan[19:07:34] *** neurre <neurre!~tsuoranta@mobile-access-bceeee-110.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:15:06] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7mzgy0p2f49u7u.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:15:32] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7mzgy0p2f49u7u.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined ##vulkan[19:25:12] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[19:26:41] *** Biolunar <Biolunar!Biolunar@p5B148076.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[19:53:22] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has joined ##vulkan[19:56:24] *** snyp <snyp!~Snyp@103.56.236.26> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:56:41] <cheako> I'm a bit confused about the shader I posted earlier, where a handful of mat4 where multiplied. I don't see an advantage to make this part of the shader, run for each vertex.[19:57:44] <cheako> I could see running this multiply per model in a compute shader, if there were a large number of models.[19:59:25] <cheako> Is this an example of do as I say, not as I do?[20:00:59] <baldurk> I don't think there's any reason to have all three in the same UBO. If you had different UBOs updated at different frequencies it might make sense but generally you want a world matrix updated when the object moves and then a combined viewProjection matrix updated per frame[20:01:17] <baldurk> I don't think Sascha's samples are intended to be the fastest most performant way to implement code, but intended to be readable and understandable[20:01:24] <ratchetfreak> ^[20:01:45] <ratchetfreak> many examples only have "it works" as a standard[20:01:51] <cheako> That make sense.[20:01:54] <cheako> Thanks[20:01:54] <ratchetfreak> not many actually show best practice[20:02:08] <ratchetfreak> unless the example is specifically to show just that best practice[20:11:27] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[20:12:19] <Ident_> are there such examples?[20:14:42] *** Ident_ is now known as Ident[20:14:43] *** Ident <Ident!~Ident@lucebac.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[20:14:43] *** Ident <Ident!~Ident@unaffiliated/ident> has joined ##vulkan[20:29:25] *** ville <ville!~ville@87-95-30-76.bb.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Quit:)[20:36:44] *** neurrre <neurrre!~tsuoranta@mobile-access-bceeee-110.dhcp.inet.fi> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:41:21] *** Kingsquee <Kingsquee!~kingsquee@d108-180-237-219.bchsia.telus.net> has joined ##vulkan[21:01:07] *** snyp <snyp!~Snyp@103.56.236.168> has joined ##vulkan[21:05:03] *** herbmillerjr <herbmillerjr!~herb@c-76-120-173-141.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:11:46] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7mzgy0p2f49u7u.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:12:11] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7mzgy0p2f49u7u.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined ##vulkan[21:13:33] *** tambre <tambre!~tambre@3c5b-0f05-f6db-2826-ab80-8a0a-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:20:30] *** snyp_ <snyp_!~Snyp@103.56.236.64> has joined ##vulkan[21:23:35] *** snyp <snyp!~Snyp@103.56.236.168> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:23:43] *** snyp__ <snyp__!~Snyp@103.56.236.247> has joined ##vulkan[21:24:09] *** threenuc <threenuc!~threenuc@88.156.163.16> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:24:34] *** threenuc <threenuc!~threenuc@88.156.163.16> has joined ##vulkan[21:27:06] *** snyp_ <snyp_!~Snyp@103.56.236.64> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[21:28:09] *** snyp <snyp!~Snyp@103.56.236.109> has joined ##vulkan[21:31:13] *** snyp__ <snyp__!~Snyp@103.56.236.247> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:42:17] *** snyp <snyp!~Snyp@103.56.236.109> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:49:56] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has joined ##vulkan[21:56:43] *** borkr <borkr!~borkr@static130-244.mimer.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:58:03] <cheako> In this example I'm working with https://github.com/SaschaWillems/Vulkan/blob/master/examples/skeletalanimation/skeletalanimation.cpp I don't see where uboVS.model is set, not even zeroed.[22:16:32] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:16:53] *** threenuc <threenuc!~threenuc@88.156.163.16> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:28:55] <cheako> I get one frame drawn and then hang at vkAcquireNextImageKHR https://github.com/cheako/cheako-vulkan/blob/555c4be4b5c41a5b41177e6ffe834c87a33e358c/vulkan_test.c#L1068[22:33:45] *** Berserker66 <Berserker66!~Fabian_Di@88.65.161.171> has joined ##vulkan[22:52:17] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:01:12] *** ville <ville!~ville@37-136-30-222.rev.dnainternet.fi> has joined ##vulkan[23:01:32] *** ville <ville!~ville@37-136-30-222.rev.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:02:25] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7mzgy0p2f49u7u.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:02:53] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7mzgy0p2f49u7u.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined ##vulkan[23:07:47] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)[23:16:23] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:17:19] *** sla_ro|master <sla_ro|master!~sla.ro@78.96.209.89> has quit IRC ()[23:41:32] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has joined ##vulkan[23:47:35] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host86-152-129-209.range86-152.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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