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[18:59:17] <ZexaronS> Hello
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[18:59:41] <ZexaronS> What's the GPUView or WindowsPerformanceAnalyzer equivalent that works with Vulkan API ?
[19:00:23] <baldurk> both of those tools work with vulkan
[19:00:34] <baldurk> unless you're not on windows, in which case there's gpuvis
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[19:00:56] <ZexaronS> Hmm interesting I thought it's DX only since it's a Microsoft program
[19:01:40] <ZexaronS> I have trouble understanding how would MS update this tool for Vulkan
[19:02:06] <baldurk> it doesn't work at the DX API level
[19:02:41] <baldurk> it works using DXGI/DDIs, which are used independent of the client API
[19:02:50] <ZexaronS> Anyhow, I have the Windows Performance Toolking Anniversary and it's that's 2016 level for 1607
[19:03:20] <ZexaronS> Since I won't be updating my win10 any higher than this, im stuck with it, otherwise none of my tweaks would work
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[19:04:03] <ZexaronS> Well I see a lot of directX mentions
[19:04:06] <ZexaronS> events for example
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[19:05:47] <ZexaronS> Windows or Games usually don't alert the user when the EvictAllocations are happening, terrible, I could have spotted in a program that shows VRAM but I didn't, I didn't even knew back in the day I had too low VRAM, no wonder it was stuttering
[19:06:54] <ZexaronS> baldurk: what about the LunarG Trace tools ?
[19:07:12] <baldurk> what are you asking about them? they serve an entirely different purpose
[19:07:55] <ZexaronS> ok
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[19:10:21] <ZexaronS> Could someone share build demos? Samples on github are source only, fail
[19:10:59] <ZexaronS> just want to see how it looks like in GPUView, don't want to deal with cmake right now
[19:15:43] <ZexaronS> Don't like that vkinfo is optional, companies could hide the stuff they don't support
[19:16:11] <ZexaronS> but stick label on it "support vulkan" ... how many features, that's the question
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[19:17:39] <ZexaronS> I would make a feature validation app that would scan a game and report what kind of features it has, including realtime scanning to check vs what the vkinfo is reporting vs the real thing, because the stuff they don't support they wouldn't report
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[19:56:38] <Limeth> Compiling with `glslangValidator` into SPIR-V; how do I tell `glslangValidator` that I renamed the entry point `main`?
[19:57:29] <Limeth> Currently, when I just rename `main` but don't provide any extra flags to `glslangValidator`, I am getting this error: `ERROR: Linking compute stage: Missing entry point: Each stage requires one entry point`
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[20:00:09] <sharpneli> Limeth: glslangvalidator has help when you run it without any args. It states "-e specify entry-point name"
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[20:01:23] <Limeth> Yes, I've read that, but I get the same error when I use `-e <function name>` as additional args.
[20:01:56] <baldurk> are you compiling glsl or hlsl?
[20:02:01] <Limeth> GLSL
[20:02:16] <baldurk> then I'm not sure you can rename the entry point
[20:02:40] <Limeth> That might explain why I'm getting these errors
[20:03:04] <baldurk> GLSL requires it to be main in source, you could patch the SPIR-V to have a different identifier though - I think that's what -e does, but I'm not sure if it works for GLSL or only HLSL
[20:03:39] <Limeth> It doesn't seem to be working for GLSL, so I assume it's not implemented
[20:05:41] <Limeth> And the entry point in this binary is literally just "f", so I thought I could do the same in my GLSL shader.
[20:06:28] <baldurk> yeh you'd need support in glslang to compile with one entry point (fixed to main) and export as another (in this case "f")
[20:07:14] <Limeth> I guess I'll try to figure out how to rename the entry point in the binary, then
[20:07:49] <baldurk> you just need to find that OpEntryPoint and patch the string
[20:08:05] <baldurk> if you keep it the same length you can just overwrite the bytes, if you truncate/expand it you need to change the opcode length
[20:08:45] <Limeth> Oh yeah, changing the `0x66` to `0x6d61696e` totally just worked
[20:09:02] <Limeth> Welp, that's taken care of, thanks!
[20:09:09] <baldurk> be careful there
[20:09:17] <baldurk> the SPIR-V spec requires a trailing NULL character in strings IIRC
[20:09:32] <baldurk> so you need another word on there that's 0x0 if you go to four characters
[20:09:35] <Limeth> yeah, I thought Right
[20:10:20] <Limeth> So, both seem to work.
[20:10:35] <Limeth> But I guess I'll add the null d-word
[20:10:56] <baldurk> yeh the driver may just be kind, but the null is required so it's invalid without that
[20:11:44] <Limeth> Right, makes sense.
[20:13:40] <Limeth> Nevermind, I also had the opposite endianness
[20:14:04] <Limeth> So it's actually `{ 0x6e69616d, 0 }`
[20:14:11] <baldurk> yeh
[20:16:03] <Limeth> Aaand other than the entry point, it seems to work on the first try. That doesn't happen often
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[20:17:16] <baldurk> btw having done a bunch of spirv patching, spirv-cross is your friend for debugging :)
[20:17:20] <baldurk> (aside from the obvious spirv-val)
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[20:21:07] <Limeth> I don't expect to be doing much spir-v assembly myself
[20:21:15] <baldurk> ah
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[20:30:53] <cheako> I'm looking into vulkan just for fun and I'm having trouble deciding what shaders to use. I may want to try alot of diffrent shaders, but it looks like every time one changes the shaders everything else it seems needs to change as well.
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[20:58:19] <sharpneli> cheako: What do you mean everything else changes?
[20:59:11] <Yaniel> the rest of the pipeline parameters
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[22:07:08] <cheako> Is render monkey still relevant? Looks like a method to try many different shaders.
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