February 10, 2018 
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February 10, 2018 [00:12:55] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:14:20] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[00:15:35] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:33:59] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host81-153-204-241.range81-153.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[00:45:57] <Dirkson> Urgh. Ok, reading more, the situation is fairly complicated. It turns out that there can be specialized hardware devices for transferring data from the cpu to the gpu, and that those are probably faster. So if those exist, I want to use them... But how do I figure out that's what I'm seeing? If there are multiple graphics cards on a system, how do I figure out the relationships between them?[00:47:42] <cheako> https://pastebin.com/pecYypmU This is a big, but yet simple, vulkan application that should show a red background(line 677). I've tried running "VK_INSTANCE_LAYERS=VK_LAYER_LUNARG_api_dump:VK_LAYER_LUNARG_standard_validation ./vulkan_test" but I don't get the feeling the layers are being loaded.[00:50:19] *** Guest89284 <Guest89284!~tim@at-168-1-235-37.cloud.emerion.com> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[00:50:25] <cheako> Dirkson: I also wonder about IGP/UMA where the data may not need to be copied.[00:51:04] <Dirkson> Man you've gotten further than I have :D[00:51:26] <chrisf> Dirkson: DMA engines are exposed as a queue that can do transfer operations.[00:51:56] <Dirkson> chrisf: Oh. So it'll always be a queue *on the same device* as the drawing queue I'm using?[00:52:35] <cheako> Layers that emulate various hardware would be a real plus :)[00:53:05] <chrisf> cheako: there is the devsim layer[00:53:14] <cheako> yay![00:53:17] <chrisf> cheako: reduces features & limits to match a profile[00:53:30] <chrisf> cheako: it cant emulate things that dont exist on the underlying device though[00:53:55] <chrisf> Dirkson: in the unextended 1.0 world everything is within a single device, yes[00:55:15] <Dirkson> chrisf: This phrasing concerns me in ways I find difficult to articulate.[00:56:29] <Dirkson> chrisf: You just mean that this is true now, and might not be true in the future?[00:56:52] <chrisf> there are extensions that allow cross-device stuff.[00:58:57] <Dirkson> Are the extensions intended to support hardware that requires them, or intended to allow, like, software-level sli (or similar).[01:03:20] *** marijnfs <marijnfs!~smuxi@2a01:c23:bc17:ca00:c28a:1386:8681:20d5> has joined ##vulkan[01:03:53] <chrisf> Dirkson: KHX_device_group is roughly SLI.[01:05:22] <Dirkson> Ok, cool.[01:07:54] <Dirkson> What I'm trying to work out is if someone is going to come back to me later and say "Dirkson, you dunce. To support the AMD GTX 940 you have to use Extension Y to chat across these 17 physical devices", or something similar. It changes my design if I only ever need to support 1 physical device, or if I'll need to explicitly talk to multiple ones in the future.[01:10:56] <chrisf> you only care about 1 physical device for normal cases[01:13:16] <Dirkson> Ok, cool. That seems Good Enough : )[01:20:32] *** random_james is now known as random_james_awy[01:25:57] *** GMpow2srv <GMpow2srv!~GMpow2srv@p5481CDF7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:25:59] <Dirkson> If there are two queue families, one of which only supports transport and not drawing/compute, I should generally prefer to use that one for transfer/present, correct?[01:27:14] <chrisf> you decide what you want to do[01:27:52] <cheako> Dirkson: That's why I was saying there should be device emulation layers, so u can test out your code without having one of every card on hand.[01:28:14] <chrisf> you should have one of each vendor anyway, just as with any other API[01:29:49] <cheako> That may be, but now we are talking about cards with or without DMA queues.[01:31:51] <Dirkson> chrisf: Sure. How do I make this decision? I had thought that just the fact that a specific queue family was present was enough, but you seem to suggest that I need more info?[01:32:16] <chrisf> Dirkson: first, decide whether you want the complexity[01:32:24] <cheako> Arguably you could just ignore these, because the likely hood that many games will have support for these drops the expected benefit for cards with such a feature and this effect snowballs.[01:32:27] <chrisf> the graphics+compute queue can do everything.[01:36:26] <Dirkson> Assuming transfer speeds increase, an increase in complexity seems worthwhile.[01:36:40] <Dirkson> (And is, I think, easier to deal with if I design with it in mind)[01:51:07] <cheako> Vulkan should warn or crash if the environment VK_INSTANCE_LAYERS can't be loaded.[01:55:28] <cheako> I'm going, I hope ppl test my code and tell me if it works or doesn't. I only have an intel card for testing and the driver accesses unmapped memory(according to valgrind).[01:57:52] *** marijnfs <marijnfs!~smuxi@2a01:c23:bc17:ca00:c28a:1386:8681:20d5> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[01:59:58] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[02:00:08] *** marijnfs <marijnfs!~smuxi@2a01:c23:bc17:ca00:c28a:1386:8681:20d5> has joined ##vulkan[02:07:22] *** CapsAdmin <CapsAdmin!~CapsAdmin@195.159.164.194> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[02:08:27] *** jdashg <jdashg!~jdashg@corp-nat.fw1.untrust.mtv2.mozilla.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:24:30] *** marijnfs <marijnfs!~smuxi@2a01:c23:bc17:ca00:c28a:1386:8681:20d5> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[02:53:33] *** xissburg <xissburg!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has joined ##vulkan[03:03:12] *** clintar <clintar!~clintar@68.69.164.130> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[03:07:29] *** bpmedley <bpmedley!~bpm@c-24-72-144-105.ni.gigamonster.net> has joined ##vulkan[03:12:28] *** herbmillerjr <herbmillerjr!~herb@c-76-120-173-141.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[03:33:16] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host81-153-204-241.range81-153.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[03:41:00] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7ob3oun8gbtf98.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[03:54:12] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host81-153-204-241.range81-153.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[04:18:54] *** geo5 <geo5!~geo5@2601:601:1800:53a4::54a> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:27:10] *** soul-bw <soul-bw!~uknown@2a02:a44a:bcae:1:7d7e:449f:dad4:eaf2> has joined ##vulkan[04:30:40] *** soul-d <soul-d!~uknown@2a02:a44a:bcae:1:d4d9:3c8e:44b4:7d93> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:32:24] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has joined ##vulkan[04:32:30] <cheako> Back.[04:35:51] *** ghishadow1 <ghishadow1!~ghishadow@117.248.186.233> has joined ##vulkan[04:37:07] *** BearishMushroom <BearishMushroom!~BearishMu@82-209-154-59.cust.bredband2.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:38:07] *** ghishadow <ghishadow!~ghishadow@117.214.117.239> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[04:50:28] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:01:17] *** MrFlibble <MrFlibble!MrFlibble@2.124.189.242> has quit IRC (Quit: MrFlibble)[06:02:01] *** Guy1524 <Guy1524!48491483@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.73.20.131> has joined ##vulkan[06:03:01] *** Guy1524 <Guy1524!48491483@gateway/web/freenode/ip.72.73.20.131> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[06:11:44] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has joined ##vulkan[06:32:38] <cheako> I finally got validation layers and they are identifying the issues with my code.[07:14:11] *** ghishadow1 <ghishadow1!~ghishadow@117.248.186.233> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)[07:35:29] *** slime <slime!~slime73@24.215.81.93> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[07:38:24] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[07:38:31] *** tambre <tambre!~tambre@fdeb-c404-46a2-b10a-ab80-8a0a-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined ##vulkan[07:41:22] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host81-153-204-241.range81-153.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[08:03:22] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host81-153-204-241.range81-153.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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The type is `enum VkColorSpaceKHR { VK_COLOR_SPACE_SRGB_NONLINEAR_KHR = 0 }` Does the single value imply, that (for now) Vulkan always interprets pixels this particular way?[15:15:06] <baldurk> there is an extension which adds more color spaces, if it is supported[15:15:43] <adrian_1908> Ok, thanks.[15:46:36] *** GMpow2srv <GMpow2srv!~GMpow2srv@p2003005F6E0184371C2340A206753FBE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined ##vulkan[15:51:13] *** tambry <tambry!~tambre@4bfd-5d28-4466-297f-ab80-8a0a-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined ##vulkan[15:53:48] *** tambre <tambre!~tambre@d9b0-1f53-f10d-5d13-ab80-8a0a-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:10:43] *** Moose <Moose!~moose@unaffiliated/moose> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:17:22] *** BearishMushroom <BearishMushroom!~BearishMu@82-209-154-59.cust.bredband2.com> has joined ##vulkan[16:23:52] *** Philip` <Philip`!~philip@xvm-173-16.dc0.ghst.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the 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