February 9, 2018 
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<marijnfs!~smuxi@wnavab-n2.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[14:50:46] *** Borkr <Borkr!~Borkr@mail.seaonics.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[14:51:27] *** Limeth <Limeth!5e8eee9e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.142.238.158> has joined ##vulkan[14:52:00] <Limeth> Out of curiosity; what are the `sType` and `pNext` fields in most Vulkan structs for?[14:53:00] *** joakimds_ <joakimds_!uid154127@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fohufcajjpjtscfi> has quit IRC ()[14:53:13] *** joakimds_ <joakimds_!uid154127@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bicjqijoztbzzvcv> has joined ##vulkan[14:53:16] <baldurk> it's for extensibility, you can then chain structs together by pointing a pNext at another struct, which is identified by its sType, and a program doesn't need to know the size or type of a struct to walk the list[14:53:55] <Limeth> Ohh, clever. Thanks for the explanation.[15:02:53] *** Deluxe_ <Deluxe_!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[15:08:26] *** mich1x <mich1x!~mich1x@2001:41d0:8:da5b::1> has quit IRC (Quit: cYa)[15:09:04] *** mich1x <mich1x!~mich1x@2001:41d0:8:da5b::1> has joined ##vulkan[15:11:40] <Sairon> What's up with VkVertexInputAttributeDescription::format being texture formats?[15:11:47] <Sairon> Seems kind of weird :P[15:14:50] *** CapsAdmin <CapsAdmin!~CapsAdmin@81.92.27.192> has joined ##vulkan[15:18:46] *** Deluxe_ <Deluxe_!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:26:37] *** marijnfs <marijnfs!~smuxi@2a01:c23:bc17:ca00:c28a:1386:8681:20d5> has joined ##vulkan[15:48:52] *** stamina <stamina!~stamina@144-156-045-062.dynamic.caiway.nl> has joined ##vulkan[15:49:07] <ratchetfreak> at least they limited which formats can be used in bertex buffers[16:05:05] *** CapsAdmin <CapsAdmin!~CapsAdmin@81.92.27.192> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[16:07:58] <Sairon> Yeah, would've been weird with compressed blocks as vertex input[16:08:30] <Sairon> Feels kind of hacky though, guess one will have to map it all up to sensible inputs "by hand"[16:21:17] <sharpneli> Sairon: In a way it's logical. They're all just formats.[16:21:41] <sharpneli> Sure it's tad silly to use things like R8.[16:28:10] <Sairon> Yeah but some doesn't make sense IMO, for example both VK_FORMAT_R8G8B8_UINT & VK_FORMAT_B8G8R8_UINT are supported. Overall I'd rather there be a vkVertexFormat, and then they could map it to the appropriate vkFormat making it transparent in the backend but more logical in the public API.[16:30:22] <baldurk> FWIW I disagree, having a single format enum is much nicer than having two format enums that have to be special cased[16:36:28] <Sairon> If you want to feed in textures as vertex inputs I do see a benefit of using the same format type.[16:36:33] *** TTimo <TTimo!~timo@ec2-52-23-106-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[16:37:04] *** TTimo <TTimo!~timo@ec2-52-23-106-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com> has joined ##vulkan[16:37:56] <baldurk> I'm not sure why you have to be feeding in textures directly. There's a fair amount of overlap between feasible vertex input formats and texture formats. Aside from block compressed formats and depthstencil formats, just about all of them could make sense as a vertex input[16:38:16] <baldurk> even if you did have two separate enums they'd probably look a lot alike[16:42:58] <Sairon> True, I still would've prefer them to be separate and then map the sensible ones between them. The ones with different swizzle I just see as potential errors, and as mentioned some can conceptually never be a valid input for vertex data. If the valid ones map an explicit cast would be required, which also solves errors where a texture format unintentionally ends up as vertex format.[16:43:01] *** hampusw <hampusw!~Hampus@37.139.156.40> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:45:38] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has joined ##vulkan[16:53:08] <Sairon> And just a hunch, between VK_FORMAT_R8G8B8_UINT & VK_FORMAT_B8G8R8_UINT one likely has to be reversed by the driver[16:56:07] *** CapsAdmin <CapsAdmin!~CapsAdmin@81.92.27.192> has joined ##vulkan[16:56:22] <sharpneli> I prefer the common one. As an example if you have a buffer you can use it both as texel buffer object and vertex buffer painlessly[16:56:28] <sharpneli> And you know the formats are identical[16:56:56] <sharpneli> Otherwise the spec would have to have 2 enums and then just a section that states what vertex formats are equivalent to what texture formats[16:58:13] <Sairon> Yeah that's pretty nice[16:58:28] *** afl_ext2 <afl_ext2!~afl_ext@unaffiliated/afl-ext/x-2796036> has joined ##vulkan[17:03:21] *** afl_ext3 <afl_ext3!~afl_ext@unaffiliated/afl-ext/x-2796036> has joined ##vulkan[17:04:42] *** Lucretia <Lucretia!~laguest@pdpc/supporter/active/lucretia> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:06:25] *** afl_ext2 <afl_ext2!~afl_ext@unaffiliated/afl-ext/x-2796036> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[17:06:25] *** Lucretia <Lucretia!~laguest@pdpc/supporter/active/lucretia> has joined ##vulkan[17:11:36] *** MrFlibble <MrFlibble!MrFlibble@2.124.189.242> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 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I'm having a bit of a failure of imagination while trying to follow vulkan-tutorial.com. It seems like it's saying that I need to find a physical graphics card with queue family support for drawing, and then search through all physical graphics cards again to find one (which may or may not be the same one) with presentation support. Is that correct? Under what circumstances would I get a graphics[21:08:48] <Dirkson> card that could only do one or the other, but not both?[21:09:09] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[21:09:40] *** glYoda <glYoda!~MTLYoda@c-73-25-27-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: glYoda)[21:13:19] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:14:13] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[21:16:40] *** Deluxe_ <Deluxe_!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[21:20:05] *** tambre <tambre!~tambre@1605-f927-a454-78a2-ab80-8a0a-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[21:21:05] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:22:03] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[21:22:10] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7ob3oun8gbtf98.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:22:34] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:22:36] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7ob3oun8gbtf98.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has joined ##vulkan[21:24:12] *** Deluxe <Deluxe!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has joined ##vulkan[21:24:56] <lostgoat> Dirkson: laptops?[21:25:12] <lostgoat> discrete gpu for rendering but display output hooked to the igpu[21:25:22] <lostgoat> I think that should be the case[21:29:16] *** xkpe <xkpe!~quassel@212.250.200.210> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[21:33:52] <Dirkson> lostgoat: Gotcha. But my statement of what I needed to do was correct?[21:43:11] <lostgoat> Dirkson: seems correct, but I haven't played around with setups with hybdrid graphics to tell you with certainty[21:49:52] <Dirkson> Gotcha[21:52:29] *** sla_ro|master <sla_ro|master!~sla.ro@78.96.209.89> has quit IRC ()[21:57:23] *** CapsAdmin <CapsAdmin!~CapsAdmin@195.159.164.194> has joined ##vulkan[22:07:00] *** Deluxe_ <Deluxe_!~Deluxe@212.4.150.151> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:13:25] *** jdashg <jdashg!~jdashg@corp-nat.fw1.untrust.mtv2.mozilla.net> has joined ##vulkan[22:16:44] *** Kingsquee <Kingsquee!~kingsquee@d154-5-142-128.bchsia.telus.net> has joined ##vulkan[22:23:45] *** random_james_awy is now known as random_james[22:31:47] *** afl_ext3 <afl_ext3!~afl_ext@unaffiliated/afl-ext/x-2796036> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:34:52] *** davr0s <davr0s!~textual@host81-153-204-241.range81-153.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[22:43:19] *** slime <slime!~slime73@24.215.81.93> has joined ##vulkan[22:44:51] *** ZexaronS <ZexaronS!~zexpc@cpe2-5-137.cable.triera.net> has joined ##vulkan[22:55:19] *** cheako <cheako!~cheako@2601:440:4100:4d1f::834> has joined ##vulkan[23:06:05] *** glYoda <glYoda!~MTLYoda@c-73-25-27-206.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[23:07:57] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)[23:19:09] *** salamanderrake <salamanderrake!~quassel@cpe-24-165-192-204.neo.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:27:08] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:40:03] *** clintar <clintar!~clintar@68.69.164.130> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[23:43:29] *** Limeth <Limeth!5e8eee9e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.142.238.158> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:43:33] *** clintar <clintar!~clintar@68.69.164.130> has joined ##vulkan[23:50:07] *** Biolunar_ <Biolunar_!Biolunar@dslb-178-001-038-253.178.001.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[23:51:23] *** Syneh__ <Syneh__!sid146676@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ldkzbmvwbtvwypbg> has quit IRC ()[23:51:35] *** Syneh__ <Syneh__!sid146676@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-evlqydvxgrpmqfsn> has joined ##vulkan[23:55:07] *** salamanderrake <salamanderrake!~quassel@24.165.192.204> has joined ##vulkan