February 18, 2017 
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We could for example wireframe-art it[09:09:47] <Qantourisc> If we want to keep it simple: just sprites[09:10:13] *** funfunctor <funfunctor!~edward@hs1.gbsw.oxynet.net.au> has joined ##vulkan[09:10:44] <Qantourisc> actually there are quite a few things one could do with sprites in terms of effects: lichting: just add-blend a sprite. Shadows: just aplha blending[09:11:21] <Qantourisc> As said, need to poke him, but life has been busy for him, the last 3 days :p[09:11:43] <Cheery> if you don't demand too much, you could just use pygame for that.[09:11:54] <Cheery> or even.. webgl.[09:12:01] <Cheery> and write it in javascript or coffeescript[09:13:03] <Cheery> then there would be Unity3D if you want to do your game in 3D. You'd get all you describe that way.[09:14:06] <Cheery> using Vulkan or even OpenGL would be a distraction from writing the game.[09:14:46] <Qantourisc> Cheery: Yep, but the distraction might be the point :) Waiting for him to get out of bed :)[09:17:10] <Cheery> are you going to make it a grid or a graph based?[09:17:23] <Cheery> or grid+graph mix.[09:17:33] <Qantourisc> not entirly sure what you mean there[09:17:37] *** kuldeep_ <kuldeep_!~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:18:02] *** kuldeep_ <kuldeep_!~kuldeepdh@unaffiliated/kuldeepdhaka> has joined ##vulkan[09:18:32] <Qantourisc> I'm going to assume with grid you means like: chess without animations ?[09:19:18] <Cheery> that'd be square grid.[09:19:19] <Qantourisc> where a single grid has A: a background B: A unit on it ?[09:20:04] <Cheery> but the grid could be in any shape that tiles well, such as triangles or hexagonal[09:20:10] *** ImQ009 <ImQ009!~ImQ009@unaffiliated/imq009> has joined ##vulkan[09:20:40] <Qantourisc> Cheery: never seen a triad or hexa tower defense game before[09:20:44] <Qantourisc> intresting idea though[09:22:52] <Cheery> also the background can be detached from the grid, or have its own grid.[09:23:16] <Cheery> graph is something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graph_theory#/media/File:6n-graf.svg[09:23:27] <Qantourisc> Cheery: correct, but... why ? would you use a differnt grid :p[09:24:03] <Cheery> I'm sure you may come up with reasons.[09:24:14] <Qantourisc> still not sure what you mean with the graph[09:24:35] *** lpghatguy <lpghatguy!~LPGhatguy@63.153.99.104> has quit IRC (Quit: I'll be back.)[09:26:09] <Cheery> nodes and edges.. the shapes of the edges may be splines or determined by a path search in a grid based map.[09:26:36] <Cheery> bit like baseball.[09:26:49] <Qantourisc> don't think we will do that[09:34:08] <Cheery> likewise the tower positioning and enemy positioning can differ.[09:35:51] *** ZexaronS <ZexaronS!~zexpc@cpe-194-152-22-45.static.triera.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[09:36:50] <Qantourisc> to be fair, i'm really not worried about that kind of stuff :) I could be mistaking, time will tell :p[09:37:52] <Cheery> Are there some games you've done or tried to do before?[09:37:59] <Qantourisc> none :)[09:38:19] <Qantourisc> well 1 exception, but the peaple we did it with ... well ... they where a problem :p[09:38:50] *** bjz <bjz!~bjz@104.222.140.72> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:39:06] <Qantourisc> I will survive though, i'm not worried[09:39:20] *** bjz_ <bjz_!~bjz@14-201-122-110.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined ##vulkan[09:39:35] <Cheery> how well you understand mathematics?[09:40:16] <Qantourisc> Cheery: well enough, quaternions get tricky though[09:40:26] <Qantourisc> well the convertion to and from angles[09:40:39] <Qantourisc> I just had to look up that math and just copy the dam convertion math[09:41:53] <Cheery> I may be able to help understanding quaternions a bit better.[09:42:11] <Cheery> but it's not needed here.[09:42:22] <Cheery> do you understand interpolation?[09:42:42] <Qantourisc> yes, that's the main reason to start using quaternions :D[09:43:20] <Cheery> well on basics you would have to understand at least linear interpolation do what you intend to do.[09:43:27] *** funfunctor <funfunctor!~edward@hs1.gbsw.oxynet.net.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:43:45] <Qantourisc> linear interpolation is fine here :)[09:44:38] *** funfunctor <funfunctor!~edward@hs1.gbsw.oxynet.net.au> has joined ##vulkan[09:45:16] <Cheery> understanding of newtons laws and their basic application to games would be perhaps useful too.[09:45:41] <Cheery> other than that, I think you're ready for it.[09:45:42] <Qantourisc> Cheery: My edjucation is quite ok here :)[09:46:25] <Qantourisc> Int(Accerlation)=Speed | Int(Speed)=Location[09:47:15] <Cheery> yup. I think you can do it.[09:47:33] <Qantourisc> i know I can, but in a way, need to see it to really believe it :)[09:47:41] <Qantourisc> confidence boosting time :)[09:49:48] <Cheery> I think understanding the quaternion numbers and their application to rotation is possible, but the geometric interpretation of the operations do not seem as useful as the algebraic does.[09:50:18] <Cheery> they share properties with complex numbers, and the application to rotations come from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complex_number#Euler.27s_formula[09:50:23] <Cheery> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler's_formula[09:51:40] *** funfunctor <funfunctor!~edward@hs1.gbsw.oxynet.net.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[09:52:05] <Qantourisc> now to be fair, I don' need to understand quaternions, if the code works, it's fine, all I "demand" of them, is garanteed correct and smooth iterpolation :)[09:52:20] <Cheery> yup.[09:52:41] <Cheery> but if you got time for it, understanding them is fun.[09:52:55] <Qantourisc> I see[10:14:20] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.7)[10:14:35] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has joined ##vulkan[10:17:51] *** glYoda <glYoda!~MTLYoda@c-71-236-230-251.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: glYoda)[10:18:30] *** glYoda <glYoda!~MTLYoda@c-71-236-230-251.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[10:24:22] *** doomlord <doomlord!~textual@host86-176-242-250.range86-176.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[10:29:19] *** toor_ <toor_!~toor@76.ip-51-254-204.eu> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:34:15] *** bjz_ <bjz_!~bjz@14-201-122-110.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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