February 8, 2017 
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February 8, 2017 [00:00:09] *** ector <ector!~asdf@37.247.11.157> has quit IRC ()[00:05:27] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.7)[00:06:17] *** CaptainLex <CaptainLex!~CaptainLe@12.104.244.5> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[00:07:04] *** doomlord <doomlord!~textual@host86-148-102-241.range86-148.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[00:10:11] *** rpb <rpb!~rpb@199.68.195.102> has joined ##vulkan[00:34:24] *** GMpow2_2 <GMpow2_2!~5@ip4d16fc39.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[00:37:05] *** BearishMushroom <BearishMushroom!~BearishMu@90-231-174-194-no159.tbcn.telia.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:51:03] *** Girafferson <Girafferson!~giraffers@c-50-152-51-82.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[00:55:51] *** Girafferson <Girafferson!~giraffers@c-50-152-51-82.hsd1.co.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:56:05] *** Biolunar <Biolunar!Biolunar@dslb-094-220-171-023.094.220.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined ##vulkan[00:56:31] *** cactuz <cactuz!~cactus@0140800230.0.fullrate.ninja> has quit IRC (Quit: cactuz)[01:15:35] *** slidercrank <slidercrank!~slidercra@unaffiliated/slidercrank> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:17:49] *** derhass <derhass!~derhass@ipservice-092-216-126-046.092.216.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[01:51:09] *** xissburg <xissburg!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[01:52:13] *** xissburg <xissburg!~xissburg@unaffiliated/xissburg> has joined ##vulkan[02:06:42] <slime> https://webkit.org/blog/7380/next-generation-3d-graphics-on-the-web/[02:08:13] <slime> "This is Apple's draft proposal for the WebGPU API. It started as a mapping of Metal to JavaScript, but that won't be where it ends up. Not only are there some things in Metal that don't quite fit with Vulkan and D3D12, we also don't want to be tied to the Metal API. So please consider this a work in progress."[02:11:50] <discoloda> what features does Metal have that are not in Vulkan?[02:13:20] <slime> metal has a different resource api (it's closer to dx11, but also more general than vulkan in some ways, in terms of shader-side access especially)[02:15:30] <ratchetfreak> from the api proposal there are different command buffers for different kind of operations[02:19:16] <discoloda> WebGPURenderPassDescriptor packs framebuffer, renderpass and renderpass begin into one[02:20:51] <slime> it just has the state of a render pass (textures, load operation, clear values if applicable, store operation)[02:21:30] <ratchetfreak> ah[02:22:06] <slime> "Apple’s WebKit team has proposed establishing a W3C Community Group for GPU on the Web to be the forum for this work, and today you are invited to join us in defining the next standard for GPUs. Our proposal has been received positively by our colleagues at other browser engines, GPU vendors, and framework developers. With support from the industry, we invite all with an interest or expertise in this area to join the Community Group."[02:23:07] <ratchetfreak> aka the quick message we sent around Khronos didn't create a major oh god no so we are going forward with it[02:26:44] *** john2 <john2!~john@host86-143-93-17.range86-143.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[02:31:05] *** john2 <john2!~john@host86-143-93-17.range86-143.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:41:55] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!~ratchetfr@ptr-82s3g7lne6wzjp8iec8.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[02:45:59] *** john2 <john2!~john@host86-143-93-17.range86-143.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[03:06:29] *** funfunctor <funfunctor!~edward@1.129.96.139> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[03:12:38] *** funfunctor <funfunctor!~edward@110-174-21-3.static.tpgi.com.au> has joined ##vulkan[03:26:33] *** bwidawsk <bwidawsk!~bwidawsk@zangief.bwidawsk.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Always remember, and never forget; I'll be back.)[03:27:22] *** ville <ville!~ville@87-93-71-226.bb.dnainternet.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[03:27:37] *** drasich <drasich!~indefini@124x35x243x164.ap124.ftth.ucom.ne.jp> has joined ##vulkan[03:34:47] *** bwidawsk <bwidawsk!~bwidawsk@zangief.bwidawsk.net> has joined ##vulkan[03:35:56] *** john2 <john2!~john@host86-143-93-17.range86-143.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.7)[03:36:22] *** john1 <john1!~john@host86-143-93-17.range86-143.btcentralplus.com> has joined ##vulkan[03:47:50] *** ZexaronS <ZexaronS!~zexpc@cpe-194-152-22-45.static.triera.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[03:53:00] *** neurre <neurre!~tsuorant@46.163.250.82> has joined ##vulkan[03:54:35] *** abax <abax!~apaksi@tuusannuuskamuikkutroen.kirah.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:54:42] *** abax <abax!~apaksi@tuusannuuskamuikkutroen.kirah.fi> has joined ##vulkan[03:56:05] *** neure <neure!~tsuorant@46.163.250.82> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[04:02:45] *** glYoda <glYoda!~MTLYoda@c-71-236-230-251.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: glYoda)[04:06:14] *** TechnoCrunch <TechnoCrunch!~TechnoCru@101.100.137.146> has joined ##vulkan[04:27:13] *** Kingsquee <Kingsquee!~kingsley@d206-116-125-16.bchsia.telus.net> has joined ##vulkan[04:46:58] *** Biolunar_ <Biolunar_!Biolunar@dslb-092-073-188-133.092.073.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has joined ##vulkan[04:48:05] *** neurrre <neurrre!~tsuorant@46.163.250.82> has joined ##vulkan[04:50:10] *** abax <abax!~apaksi@tuusannuuskamuikkutroen.kirah.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[04:50:10] *** Biolunar <Biolunar!Biolunar@dslb-094-220-171-023.094.220.pools.vodafone-ip.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[04:50:16] *** abax <abax!~apaksi@tuusannuuskamuikkutroen.kirah.fi> has joined ##vulkan[04:50:38] *** neurre <neurre!~tsuorant@46.163.250.82> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[05:07:02] *** bigpet <bigpet!uid25664@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tynmlgcxukcdnpjj> has joined ##vulkan[05:59:53] *** tambre <tambre!~tambre@1d1a-6701-ab4d-5104-0e80-8a31-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee> has joined ##vulkan[06:04:28] *** funfunctor <funfunctor!~edward@110-174-21-3.static.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[06:06:27] *** glYoda <glYoda!~MTLYoda@c-71-236-230-251.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has joined ##vulkan[06:07:23] *** funfunctor <funfunctor!~edward@1.129.96.139> has joined ##vulkan[06:30:04] *** ShaneC1 <ShaneC1!~shane@rrcs-69-75-6-186.west.biz.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[06:30:32] *** funfunctor <funfunctor!~edward@1.129.96.139> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:36:24] *** doras <doras!~doras@77.125.128.185> has joined ##vulkan[06:40:33] <doras> Hey there. I've been wondering, is it a good idea to load buffer contents from disk into host coherent buffers directly for the purpose of staging? I want buffer contents to end up in device-local memory, and wondering if it makes any sense to create a "driver-side cache".[06:43:06] <doras> Currently I load, say, images to a normal system memory, then move the contents to a host coherent buffer for staging, then transfer them once more to device-local storage.[06:44:54] <doras> That basically means that I keep the same data at least twice in RAM, and once in VRAM at the moment of transferring to device-local memory.[06:48:19] <doras> I'm basically contemplating the idea of getting rid of the first copy entirely by keeping my RAM cache in driver-provided host-coherent memory. The question is whether the driver requires extra resources for storing such data, which may introduce extra overhead.[06:50:15] <doras> I know that the memory needs to be DMA-accessible when it sits in host-coherent memory so the driver can transfer it, but I from my understanding, the entire RAM is DMA-accessible in modern hardware.[06:50:31] <doras> but from*[07:23:17] *** Kingsquee <Kingsquee!~kingsley@d206-116-125-16.bchsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: https://i.imgur.com/qicT3GK.gif)[07:31:25] *** Kingsquee <Kingsquee!~kingsley@d206-116-125-16.bchsia.telus.net> has joined ##vulkan[07:32:47] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has joined ##vulkan[07:34:12] *** doras <doras!~doras@77.125.128.185> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:36:03] *** doras <doras!~doras@77.125.128.185> has joined ##vulkan[07:46:56] *** zeduckmaster <zeduckmaster!~zeduckmas@85.106.1.181> has joined ##vulkan[08:06:32] *** Hunts 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##vulkan[09:41:35] <fazias> take into mind that amd has special memory that is cpu writable but exists on gpu[09:41:44] <fazias> and you have 256mb of that.[09:42:50] <fazias> http://vulkan.gpuinfo.org/displayreport.php?id=913#memoryheaps memory heap 1[09:42:59] <fazias> DEVICE_LOCAL_BIT[09:42:59] <fazias> HOST_VISIBLE_BIT[09:43:00] <fazias> HOST_COHERENT_BIT[09:43:05] <fazias> flags for that[09:44:06] <fazias> so you can actually move the data to gpu before using copy command to put it into hardware format.[09:44:54] *** slidercrank <slidercrank!~slidercra@unaffiliated/slidercrank> has joined ##vulkan[09:47:47] *** ratchetfreak <ratchetfreak!c351a8d4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.195.81.168.212> has joined ##vulkan[09:53:06] *** Kido_ <Kido_!kido@unic0rn.eu> has joined ##vulkan[10:37:55] *** Serus_ <Serus_!~Serus@unaffiliated/serus> has joined ##vulkan[10:39:36] *** Serializer <Serializer!~quassel@gjalp.dk> has joined ##vulkan[10:44:10] *** sla_ro|master <sla_ro|master!~sla.ro@95.76.45.217> 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ZZZzzz…)[14:34:11] *** cactuz <cactuz!~cactus@0140800230.0.fullrate.ninja> has joined ##vulkan[14:34:47] <tomaka> Wut https://www.khronos.org/registry/vulkan/specs/1.0-extensions/html/vkspec.html#debugging-debug-report-callbacks[14:34:51] <tomaka> > The VK_EXT_debug_report extension defines the VkDebugReportErrorEXT enumerant type, but does not currently explain what the enumeration is used for. It is included here for completeness.[14:35:23] <tomaka> So we have like a flag but the specs say that it's not explained[14:35:35] <tomaka> and it's not a mistake because they explicitely say that it's not explained[14:59:04] <ratchetfreak> and no function takes it[14:59:35] <sharpneli> :D[15:00:10] <exDM69> mutt[15:01:55] <ratchetfreak> and it's explicitly in the spec source text (and not just auto generated) https://github.com/KhronosGroup/Vulkan-Docs/blob/1.0/doc/specs/vulkan/chapters/VK_EXT_debug_report.txt#L129-L136[15:02:44] <ratchetfreak> if there was a bit of code that double checked that every enum has some docs and auto created the note It'd be a different story[15:03:39] <ratchetfreak> * wrong line numbers, it should be L29-L36[15:06:29] *** GMpow2_2 <GMpow2_2!~5@2a02:810a:83c0:cb14:3450:77b:9543:3acd> has joined ##vulkan[15:16:47] *** antilogic_ <antilogic_!~antilogic@85.206.109.17> has joined ##vulkan[15:18:20] *** GMpow2_2 is now known as GMpow2[15:20:52] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.7)[15:26:23] *** zeduckmaster <zeduckmaster!~zeduckmas@85.106.1.181> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[15:34:27] *** funfunctor <funfunctor!~edward@1.129.96.139> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:43:42] *** Deadhand <Deadhand!~deadhand@69-196-158-136.dsl.teksavvy.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[15:53:35] *** Deadhand <Deadhand!~deadhand@69-196-158-136.dsl.teksavvy.com> has joined ##vulkan[15:58:14] *** nsf <nsf!~nsf@jiss.convex.ru> has joined ##vulkan[16:03:19] *** n4yru <n4yru!~n4yru@181.red-88-26-129.staticip.rima-tde.net> has joined ##vulkan[16:05:46] *** n4yru <n4yru!~n4yru@181.red-88-26-129.staticip.rima-tde.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:06:23] *** n4yru <n4yru!~n4yru@38.88.216.101> has joined ##vulkan[16:10:46] *** doomlord <doomlord!~textual@host86-148-102-241.range86-148.btcentralplus.com> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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