October 1, 2013 
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October 1, 2013 [00:03:43] <nikolam> alfredodeza, you can also do raidz on 3 vdevs , composed of 3 mirrors. That gives capacity of just 2 drives, but is much faster then capacity of 3 drives under 6-drive raidz3[00:05:28] *** ira has quit IRC[00:10:47] *** jmcc has quit IRC[00:10:57] *** jmcc has joined #smartos[00:10:58] *** mary5030 has quit IRC[00:12:50] *** deirdres_ has quit IRC[00:13:08] *** deirdres has joined #smartos[00:15:47] *** nikolam has quit IRC[00:16:29] <xenol> is there a SMF variable, which holds instance name?[00:16:40] *** andy_js has quit IRC[00:19:21] *** pringlescan has joined #smartos[00:21:26] *** tmiller has quit IRC[00:22:08] *** pringlescan has quit IRC[00:22:25] *** szaydel has quit IRC[00:23:48] *** lloydde has quit IRC[00:24:24] *** lloydde has joined #smartos[00:27:07] *** axonpoet has joined #smartos[00:28:28] *** lloydde has quit IRC[00:31:31] *** nikolam has joined #smartos[00:32:41] *** lloydde has joined #smartos[00:34:34] *** lloydde has quit IRC[00:35:07] *** lloydde has joined #smartos[00:35:31] *** lloydde has quit IRC[00:35:43] *** lloydde has joined #smartos[00:43:18] *** axonpoet has quit IRC[00:50:20] *** neophenix has quit IRC[00:50:41] <alfredodeza> is there a way to re-distribute data across the pool without having to re-do the whole file system?[00:51:35] <alfredodeza> my two mirrors are very very different right now because one of them was added as the first one was getting to 70% full[00:52:18] <wesolows> not really. I supposed you could zfs send stuff to somewhere else, destroy the local copy, and then recv it back again.[00:52:41] <wesolows> the system will prefer writing to the emptier vdev though.[00:56:07] <alfredodeza> wesolows: I was reading about snapshotting and send that to a temp pool, destroy the old pool and rename the temp pool as the old pool[00:57:19] <alfredodeza> So something like: zfs send tank/foo@1 | zfs receive tank/foo-temp[00:57:36] <alfredodeza> and then remove foo and rename foo-temp to foo[01:00:17] *** deirdres_ has joined #smartos[01:02:04] *** pringlescan has joined #smartos[01:03:03] *** deirdres has quit IRC[01:03:03] *** deirdres_ is now known as deirdres[01:22:30] *** FatDarrel has joined #smartos[01:23:02] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[01:32:29] *** pringlescan has quit IRC[01:35:37] *** pringlescan has joined #smartos[01:39:03] *** deirdres has quit IRC[01:39:21] *** deirdres has joined #smartos[01:44:25] *** pringlescan has quit IRC[01:44:37] *** deirdres has quit IRC[01:46:08] *** tmiller has joined #smartos[01:50:14] *** tmiller has quit IRC[01:55:13] *** theCzar has quit IRC[02:01:03] *** maxb` has quit IRC[02:08:47] *** lloydde has quit IRC[02:09:22] *** lloydde has joined #smartos[02:13:29] *** lloydde has quit IRC[02:19:00] *** jihyun has quit IRC[02:19:00] *** swaagie has quit IRC[02:40:22] *** theCzar has joined #smartos[02:48:35] *** mary5030 has joined #smartos[02:50:13] <Licenser> I love it when the Linux folks go 'But everyone uses linux why would you ever want to use something else'[03:00:40] <wesolows> Those are Linux people. It's the commoners you've gotta worry about, because they're not even aware that anything else exists.[03:00:56] <wesolows> "There's something else?"[03:02:11] <Licenser> wesolows but that kind of people don't really have a intereste in something like SmartOS, I can see that tey won't know about it[03:02:47] <ryancnelson> Licenser, you're German. You must be also frustrated when people choose american cars, instead of the obviously superior German ones. :)[03:03:56] <Licenser> ryancnelson only when they are the same persons who used the same arguments they agianst asian cars 10 years earlyer[03:04:33] <Licenser> that sentence has horrible grammer :P[03:04:45] <ryancnelson> and spelling! :)[03:04:46] <Licenser> but I hope you get the point, very hard to make it with the car analogy ;)[03:04:52] <Licenser> ryancnelson that is a given with me ;)[03:05:07] <Licenser> but the logic is sound![03:05:09] *** theCzar has quit IRC[03:10:16] *** ryancnelson has quit IRC[03:11:52] *** jsm has quit IRC[03:14:46] *** FatDarrel has quit IRC[03:33:17] *** alfredodeza has quit IRC[03:41:42] *** pringlescan has joined #smartos[03:44:44] *** trentster has joined #smartos[03:51:20] *** pringlescan has quit IRC[03:54:49] *** dap1 has joined #smartos[03:57:26] *** WormDrink has quit IRC[04:07:20] *** mary5030 has quit IRC[04:10:12] *** potatosalad has quit IRC[04:12:45] *** nikolam has quit IRC[04:13:12] *** nikolam has joined #smartos[04:16:16] *** swaagie has joined #smartos[04:16:32] *** jihyun has joined #smartos[04:22:55] *** potatosalad has joined #smartos[04:31:27] *** potatosalad has quit IRC[04:36:48] *** julianduque has quit IRC[04:38:37] *** deirdres has joined #smartos[04:40:21] *** dap1 has quit IRC[05:03:33] *** jsm has joined #smartos[05:05:43] *** julianduque has joined #smartos[05:10:01] *** FatDarrel has joined #smartos[05:10:32] *** chorrell has quit IRC[05:11:13] *** deirdres has quit IRC[05:18:24] *** szaydel has quit IRC[05:22:15] *** falood has joined #smartos[05:22:26] *** falood has joined #smartos[05:22:27] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[05:29:31] *** lloydde has joined #smartos[05:32:23] *** FatDarrel has quit IRC[05:43:26] *** jsm has quit IRC[05:43:33] *** tmiller has joined #smartos[06:28:54] *** julianduque has quit IRC[06:35:47] *** lloydde has quit IRC[06:36:13] *** lloydde has joined #smartos[06:40:33] *** lloydde has quit IRC[06:42:37] *** piercedwater has joined #smartos[06:44:37] *** tmiller has quit IRC[06:56:02] *** bsdguru has quit IRC[06:57:43] *** bsdguru has joined #smartos[07:00:19] *** szaydel has quit IRC[07:27:12] *** tonist has joined #smartos[07:38:03] *** hotbox has quit IRC[07:43:31] <nikolam> can one add USB devices (USB flash drive) to a running KVM machine? I heard the other day it could be done under Linux.[07:46:49] *** lloydde has joined #smartos[07:51:02] *** lloydde has quit IRC[07:54:38] *** swaagie has quit IRC[08:07:57] <rmustacc> nikolam: No, you cannot with our port of kvm.[08:12:21] *** kevinykchan has joined #smartos[08:13:04] *** falood has quit IRC[08:30:49] *** hadret has joined #smartos[08:34:17] *** andoriyu has quit IRC[08:34:30] *** yruss972 has joined #smartos[08:37:49] *** swaagie has joined #smartos[08:48:06] *** tonist has quit IRC[09:03:34] *** wolfeidau has quit IRC[09:08:02] *** Triskelios has quit IRC[09:09:36] *** CaTtleyA has quit IRC[09:11:33] *** CaTtleyA has joined #smartos[09:13:00] *** tonist has joined #smartos[09:19:02] *** falood has joined #smartos[09:20:01] *** texarcana has quit IRC[09:22:07] *** texarcana has joined #smartos[09:23:23] *** bens1 has joined #smartos[09:25:15] *** wiedi has joined #smartos[09:54:51] *** wolfeidau has joined #smartos[09:58:15] *** creativefeather1 has quit IRC[10:02:39] *** wiedi_ has joined #smartos[10:02:52] *** alcir has joined #smartos[10:03:48] *** wiedi has quit IRC[10:04:07] *** andy_js has joined #smartos[10:15:30] *** CaTtleyA has quit IRC[10:15:44] *** CaTtleyA has joined #smartos[10:16:11] *** yruss972 has quit IRC[10:21:06] *** leecallen35 has joined #smartos[10:24:38] *** leecallen has quit IRC[10:27:21] *** piercedwater has quit IRC[10:33:50] *** sjorge has quit IRC[10:35:02] *** sjorge has joined #smartos[10:39:49] *** aortmann has joined #smartos[10:47:13] *** yruss972 has joined #smartos[10:55:33] *** yruss972 has quit IRC[11:00:49] *** yruss972 has joined #smartos[11:00:50] *** mamash has joined #smartos[11:06:19] *** CaTtleyA has quit IRC[11:07:56] *** CaTtleyA has joined #smartos[11:12:16] <Alasdairrr> http://paste.ec/?d7c14f33eccf5e2a#LQOvY4W1INAGVRqGNoLtedcd3UE59cR/pRijy9ckEEQ=[11:12:28] <Alasdairrr> vmadm delete uses rm -rf to destroy the zone? wtf?[11:12:40] <Alasdairrr> :-)[11:12:53] <Alasdairrr> There is a zfs destroy for that[11:13:04] <jzu_> haha :)[11:13:16] <jzu_> one would think zfs destroy would be more efficient..[11:13:53] <Alasdairrr> It is considerably more efficient[11:16:40] <jzu_> yeah =)[11:16:41] *** WormDrink has joined #smartos[11:17:12] <jzu_> could it be something to do with possibly open files? guess no[11:19:34] <Alasdairrr> I wouldn't have thought so, it stops the zone first[11:19:46] <Alasdairrr> https://github.com/joyent/smartos-live/issues/266[11:20:44] <jzu_> +1 on that issue :-)[11:30:00] <Alasdairrr> :-)[11:34:16] <nikolam> must be some reason[11:37:14] *** vizant0 has joined #smartos[11:40:49] *** wolfeidau has quit IRC[11:47:37] *** CaTtleyA has quit IRC[11:49:33] *** CaTtleyA has joined #smartos[12:16:21] *** DBLawler has joined #smartos[12:17:25] *** DBLawler has left #smartos[12:34:19] *** falood has quit IRC[13:06:36] *** tonist_ has joined #smartos[13:07:26] *** tonist has quit IRC[13:07:27] *** tonist_ is now known as tonist[13:09:28] *** tonist has quit IRC[13:27:37] *** wolfeidau has joined #smartos[13:32:30] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[13:55:11] *** yruss972 has quit IRC[13:55:16] *** tonist has joined #smartos[13:56:27] *** tonist has quit IRC[13:58:12] *** tonist has joined #smartos[14:02:39] *** yruss972 has joined #smartos[14:08:02] *** Jadelrab has quit IRC[14:08:36] *** Jadelrab has joined #smartos[14:09:29] *** nikolam has quit IRC[14:10:26] *** jihyun has quit IRC[14:16:40] *** tmiller has joined #smartos[14:20:22] *** tonist has quit IRC[14:20:53] *** tonist has joined #smartos[14:23:04] *** tmiller has quit IRC[14:27:48] *** volci has quit IRC[14:28:07] *** jsm has joined #smartos[14:34:16] *** pringlescan has joined #smartos[14:48:41] *** hadret has quit IRC[14:48:59] *** volci has joined #smartos[14:59:44] *** pringlescan has quit IRC[14:59:49] *** pringlescan1 has joined #smartos[15:03:31] *** potatosalad has joined #smartos[15:06:08] *** pringlescan has joined #smartos[15:06:40] *** pringlescan1 has quit IRC[15:08:06] *** mamash has left #smartos[15:09:21] *** yruss972 has quit IRC[15:12:06] *** bsdguru has quit IRC[15:15:05] *** khushildep has joined #smartos[15:21:05] *** pringlescan has quit IRC[15:28:09] *** bsdguru has joined #smartos[15:29:23] <nahamu> My guess is that the "rm -rf" is there so that the underlying brand still works even when the zone directory is not a dedicated ZFS filesystem.[15:29:52] <nahamu> or a copypasta remnant from whatever zone flavor was the original template for the joyent brand.[15:30:12] *** jihyun has joined #smartos[15:32:00] <nahamu> line in question is https://github.com/joyent/smartos-live/blob/master/overlay/generic/usr/lib/brand/joyent/juninstall#L70[15:37:57] * nahamu wonders why the sngl brand is in illumos-joyent but the joyent and joyent-minimal brands are in smartos-live[15:40:21] *** yruss972 has joined #smartos[15:41:37] <nahamu> especially since the sngl brand clearly depends on the joyent brand... https://github.com/joyent/illumos-joyent/blob/master/usr/src/lib/brand/sngl/zone/config.xml#L51[15:41:51] <wesolows> I actually wonder that myself. 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downloads location for smartos (ala from smartos.org) point at https://us-east.manta.joyent.com/Joyent_Dev/public/SmartOS/... now, so its impacting all new downloaders … thats how I found out, a room full of devs I recommended it to just started wailing about it :-)[19:54:34] <MerlinDMC> crgmrgn, which image did you have problems with?[19:55:47] <crgmrgn> I've tried a few, but even just https://us-east.manta.joyent.com/Joyent_Dev/public/SmartOS/smartos-latest-USB.img.bz2 or https://us-east.manta.joyent.com//Joyent_Dev/public/SmartOS/20130919T215407Z/smartos-20130919T215407Z-USB.img.bz2 both exhibit same behaviour from here[19:56:09] <ryancnelson> a traceroute from where you are in the internet would also be helpful[19:56:13] <crgmrgn> I'm trying from a diff net location at mo, but just fiddling with VPNs to get there ...[19:57:20] <crgmrgn> yeah, its new cust site for me, so might be some wierd silent proxy thing, I'm checking[19:57:37] <jperkin> can't reproduce, am getting 10M/s to the UK[19:57:39] <MerlinDMC> it's fine here for me[19:58:26] <crgmrgn> OK, thanks for validation, I'll try the VPNed link via my office[19:58:29] <ryancnelson> please do follow up, though. we want to know if "weird silent proxies" choke on talking to manta[19:58:31] <nahamu> works here too.[19:58:39] <crgmrgn> will do ryan[19:58:41] <ryancnelson> thx[19:59:36] <rmustacc> We'll also do some digging at our end through our logs in case there's some small percentage chance of something happening.[20:01:03] <MerlinDMC> wouldn't the x-server-name header be helpful to grep the logs?[20:05:33] *** WormDrink has quit IRC[20:10:41] *** FatDarrel has quit IRC[20:10:42] *** mamash has joined #smartos[20:17:06] *** Triskelios has joined #smartos[20:20:55] *** sjorge has joined #smartos[20:21:15] *** Triskelios has quit IRC[20:36:38] *** mamash has left #smartos[20:55:58] *** lloydde has quit IRC[20:56:32] *** lloydde has joined #smartos[21:00:43] *** lloydde has quit IRC[21:19:02] *** Tekni has 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Anyone know if this is the case?[23:24:14] *** khushildep has left #smartos[23:24:25] *** khushildep has joined #smartos[23:25:17] <khushildep> Whilst trying to build a package I get http://pastebin.com/S3vGkDFG which leads me to suspect that url2pkg can't follow redirects? Anyone know if this is the case?[23:26:27] <jperkin> it probably doesn't, no.[23:26:53] <jperkin> change the Makefile to remove the "foo?" crap, rm distinfo then bmake mdi[23:26:56] <khushildep> dammit[23:27:16] *** drscream has joined #smartos[23:28:01] <jperkin> but you'd be considerably better off just copying the existing package and modifying it[23:28:53] <khushildep> @jperkin - ok hint taken :-) I'll try that[23:33:43] <khushildep> @jperkin how does the PLIST get generated?[23:34:09] <jperkin> usually by doing stage-install, then print-PLIST >PLIST[23:35:13] *** andy_js has quit IRC[23:36:23] *** lloydde has quit IRC[23:36:53] *** lloydde has joined #smartos[23:37:35] *** xenol has joined #smartos[23:40:22] *** d[^_^]b has joined #smartos[23:40:23] *** paul_lamb has quit IRC[23:40:34] *** FatDarrel has quit IRC[23:52:34] *** FatDarrel has joined #smartos