September 23, 2013 
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alternatives got into[13:51:08] <MerlinDMC> i'll grep my logs maybe i'm lucky[13:51:58] *** julianduque has joined #smartos[13:52:06] *** lloydde has quit IRC[13:57:00] <MerlinDMC> chrismcv, http://echelog.com/logs/browse/illumos/1371160800 start at about 13:02 ... but not that helpful ;)[13:57:15] *** kwork has quit IRC[13:58:12] *** kwork has joined #smartos[14:01:18] *** julianduque has quit IRC[14:03:51] *** mikl has quit IRC[14:12:30] *** jim80net has quit IRC[14:18:03] <chrismcv> MerlinDMC: thanks - yeah, not mega helpful, seems to go with my googling so far[14:31:15] *** xenol has quit IRC[14:36:20] *** nikolam has quit IRC[14:36:39] *** xenol has joined #smartos[14:40:20] <elijah-mbp> xmerlin: ext4 corruption in centos running on top of smartos - surely that's a centos bug?[14:43:01] *** mikl has joined #smartos[14:44:21] *** xenol has quit IRC[14:44:59] <marsell> Use normal smart machines. Almost everything is just plain better. :|[14:45:26] <marsell> Better performance, better observability, and a filesystem you really can rely on.[14:48:16] *** lloydde has joined #smartos[14:49:44] *** xenol has joined #smartos[14:50:42] <xmerlin> elijah-mbp, I don't know ...as I can see the same vm on xenserver works as expected ...I'm trying to understand why[14:51:29] <elijah-mbp> all the bits that could cause filesystem corruption there should be running inside of qemu - whether you're on smartos vs xenserver vs vmware should not matter one whit.[14:51:30] <xmerlin> marsell, you are right ....but I'm just becoming crazy with packages ...configuration for example[14:52:17] <xmerlin> I'm trying to understand also ...if someone else have the same problems[14:52:35] <xmerlin> the vm is a samba 3.6.x fileserver with high load[14:52:48] *** lloydde has quit IRC[14:53:39] <xmerlin> at the same time I'm working to replicate the setup on a smartos zone[14:54:06] <xmerlin> because I want my data to be safer ;)[14:55:56] <marsell> \o/[14:56:15] <xmerlin> but I've not found a good doc ...and I'm trying to fix all[14:56:27] <marsell> I haven't heard of any corruption issues, but I'm not close enough to support to know about that.[14:56:34] <marsell> xmerlin: you've found pkgin, yeah?[14:56:41] <xmerlin> yes[14:56:54] <xmerlin> already installed all, configured kerberos[14:57:05] <xmerlin> kinit works as expected[14:57:06] <marsell> Okay. That and learning about SMF will be the biggest roadbumps when leaving Linux land.[14:57:18] <marsell> Okay. :)[14:57:39] <xmerlin> I'm trying to understand how to change pam.conf to support winbind[14:58:00] <xmerlin> my setup works at 50/60 % but there is something strange[14:58:21] <marsell> Alas, I know little about Kerberos. Setup is almost certainly identical to Linux land, although maybe the config files are elsewhere.[14:59:28] <xmerlin> in linux land I have some pam files ...splitted ...here I've found pam.conf ...[15:00:59] <marsell> You've seen man.conf?[15:01:04] <marsell> *man pam.conf?[15:01:43] <xmerlin> yes[15:04:07] *** jim80net has joined #smartos[15:04:12] <marsell> Blind suggestion, them I'm on my way. This is more about Active Directory, but perhaps you can crib some parts from it: http://wiki.openindiana.org/oi/Kerberos+and+LDAP[15:06:22] <xmerlin> thank you[15:25:59] *** volci has joined #smartos[15:26:35] *** mikl has quit IRC[15:33:39] *** hadret has quit IRC[15:40:21] *** echelog-1 has joined #smartos[15:43:27] *** mikl has joined #smartos[15:43:27] *** mikl has quit IRC[15:48:37] *** lloydde has joined #smartos[15:51:30] <leecallen35> xmerlin: is your problem getting winbind working in a zone, or getting pam to use winbind?[15:52:07] <xmerlin> the second one[15:52:19] <xmerlin> winbind works ...but not pam ...as I can see[15:53:11] *** lloydde has quit IRC[15:53:26] <leecallen35> okay. I might have been able to help with the first, but I have not configured pam + winbind[15:53:38] <leecallen35> why do you need pam -- will users be logging into the zone?[15:55:13] <xmerlin> yes and I need also to see users/groups in the files / dirs[15:56:39] <leecallen35> I dont think that requires pam[15:58:49] <leecallen35> I know it doesn't... I have winbind only, and I can see the domain users/groups' permissions on files[16:00:40] *** neophenix has joined #smartos[16:00:47] <xmerlin> I need also users login ...but I can live also without it at the beginning[16:01:57] <leecallen35> That part I don't understand - why would you want users logging into a SmartOS zone?[16:03:19] <xmerlin> because I've all the accounts in a samba4 AD[16:03:34] <xmerlin> and not all the users ...only administrators[16:03:46] <leecallen35> thats my setup too. samba 3.6 in a zone, samba 4 on Linux in a VM[16:04:28] <leecallen35> so administrators would login to the zone to, what, maintain files, permissions, etc?[16:05:01] <xmerlin> yes[16:05:31] <xmerlin> as I can see in the logs I've also other strange errors in smbd[16:06:26] <xmerlin> or -> SMB user xmerlin (unix user store) not permitted access to share IPC$.[16:06:37] *** yruss972 has quit IRC[16:06:39] <leecallen35> I suggest using /usr/bin/chown, /usr/bin/chmod, and /usr/bin/ls[16:08:34] <leecallen35> "/usr/bin/ls -Vld" should show the actual group/usernames for files, if winbind is working[16:09:47] <xmerlin> and that's the problem[16:09:54] <xmerlin> wbinfo -u is working fine[16:10:06] <xmerlin> but I cannot see users/group using ls & co[16:11:06] <leecallen35> using /usr/bin/ls ?[16:11:11] <xmerlin> yes[16:11:17] <xmerlin> and now I know also why[16:11:21] <xmerlin> /opt/local/lib/samba/idmap/ad.so is missing[16:11:27] <xmerlin> :O[16:12:17] <leecallen35> I dont have that either[16:12:23] <xmerlin> mmm[16:12:26] <leecallen35> Here are the notes I used for my install...[16:12:29] <leecallen35> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6670970[16:12:49] <leecallen35> why dont you go through that and see if I did something that you didnt[16:14:21] <xmerlin> I'll try it ...thank you ...as I can see my setup is different (I've replicated what I have on linux) ...and I'm using "idmap config XXXXX : backend = ad"[16:16:22] <leecallen35> I don't know the difference - I am no Samba expert - just bought the book and got some help on IRC and the mailing list[16:16:32] *** mamash has left #smartos[16:17:38] *** bayoda has quit IRC[16:18:33] *** bayoda has joined #smartos[16:21:22] *** ismell has left #smartos[16:23:37] <leecallen35> xmerlin: if you look at the JSON file and the smb.conf, I am creating a ZFS dataset in the GZ and serving it up in Samba. This seems efficient, and allows me to manage snapshots from the GZ.[16:24:27] <xmerlin> I want to do the same[16:28:20] *** mikl has joined #smartos[16:29:03] *** nefilim has joined #smartos[16:30:58] <leecallen35> so this might be helpful to, how I validated permissions in my environment...[16:30:59] <leecallen35> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6671307[16:32:04] *** mikl has quit IRC[16:36:08] *** jsm has joined #smartos[16:37:42] *** yruss972 has joined #smartos[16:42:01] *** mary5030 has joined #smartos[16:42:21] *** mary5030 has quit IRC[16:42:55] *** mary5030 has joined #smartos[16:45:19] *** chrispercol has joined #smartos[16:45:41] *** ipalreadytaken has joined #smartos[16:45:57] *** yruss972 has quit IRC[16:46:37] <chrispercol> hey, I'm trying to boot a vm using a windows iso and the vm shuts down straight away moments after booting, not enough time for me to vnc...how do I debug? I'm new to smartos[16:48:58] *** lloydde has joined #smartos[16:51:12] *** ipalreadytaken has quit IRC[16:51:28] *** Eimann has quit IRC[16:51:56] *** chorrell has joined #smartos[16:53:20] *** lloydde has quit IRC[16:58:38] <leecallen35> The logs are in /var/log[16:59:29] <leecallen35> or post a link to your JSON file. what command are you using to boot it up?[16:59:47] *** julianduque has joined #smartos[17:01:11] *** estibi has left #smartos[17:01:13] <leecallen35> Disclaimer: I am only a few months further along than you are. Don't take this for expert advice.[17:04:43] *** axonpoet has joined #smartos[17:08:27] *** chrismcv has quit IRC[17:10:44] *** CaTtleyA has quit IRC[17:11:29] *** chrispercol has quit IRC[17:12:41] *** CaTtleyA has joined #smartos[17:25:30] *** lloydde has joined #smartos[17:26:35] *** alcir has quit IRC[17:29:58] *** mamash has joined #smartos[17:37:29] *** julianduque has quit IRC[17:41:46] *** noahmehl has joined #smartos[17:42:56] *** jsm has quit IRC[17:54:53] *** CaTtleyA has quit IRC[17:55:41] *** xenol has quit IRC[18:01:05] *** xenol has joined #smartos[18:01:39] *** mamash has left #smartos[18:05:36] *** lloydde_ has joined #smartos[18:05:41] *** lloydde has quit IRC[18:07:01] *** lloydde_ has quit IRC[18:09:44] *** lloydde has joined #smartos[18:11:12] *** ryancnelson has joined #smartos[18:20:58] *** AlainODea has joined #smartos[18:21:41] <AlainODea> I am having some difficulty getting an ecryptfs volume to persist on an Ubuntu image[18:23:00] <MerlinDMC> leecallen35, fyi the logfiles that would be interesting for a vm that just reboots are /zones/<uuid>/tmp/vm.log and maybe others numbered incrementally in that directory /var/log only has the vmadm(d) logs which will included failed attempts to create a vm not the actual qemu logs if a vm just reboots[18:23:16] *** ryancnelson has left #smartos[18:26:06] <MerlinDMC> AlainODea, why? ... is the fstab not persistent?[18:26:40] <AlainODea> MerlinDMC: It's persistent,m but /lib/smartdc/format-secondary-disk clobbers it in my scenario[18:27:16] <MerlinDMC> hmm ... does that run on every boot?[18:27:20] <AlainODea> MerlinDMC: I think I have the gist of it now. I need to luksFormat and luksOpen /dev/vdb1 instead of /dev/vdb[18:27:55] <AlainODea> MerlinDMC: it does.[18:28:28] <MerlinDMC> maybe ... but also not that nice ^^ afaik that script looks for an correct partition table on that disk and will reformat it if it doesn't find one[18:28:31] <AlainODea> MerlinDMC: it's in /etc/rc.local (/lib/smartdc/joyent_rc.local)[18:28:40] *** elijah-mbp has quit IRC[18:29:06] <MerlinDMC> maybe would be nice to have some trigger file that will force an ignor of that second disk ... but i dont know[18:29:12] <AlainODea> MerlinDMC: yeah. It's pretty pathological to my mind. It did destroy data on me several times before I discovered it. Thankfully this is a dev system.[18:29:39] <AlainODea> MerlinDMC: it will leave the disk alone if /dev/vdb1 is present so I'll try to use LUKS on that[18:29:42] *** dap has joined #smartos[18:30:36] *** elijah-mbp has joined #smartos[18:31:36] <MerlinDMC> AlainODea, on a windows vm this stuff is only run on first boot ... would be better to have the same behavior for linux and freebsd as well[18:31:59] <AlainODea> MerlinDMC: this stuff should be on the wiki for the Ubuntu images, but isn't[18:32:17] <MerlinDMC> those images have their own wiki pages afaik ... let me check[18:32:20] <AlainODea> MerlinDMC: interesting. Consistency would be good either way[18:32:23] *** mamash has joined #smartos[18:33:49] <MerlinDMC> AlainODea, here: http://wiki.joyent.com/wiki/display/jpc2/Ubuntu ... but it also does not let you know that it will maybe reformat on reboot ;)[18:34:57] <AlainODea> MerlinDMC: thank you :)[18:35:11] <MerlinDMC> i'll see if I find the correct repository for those scripts and create an issue[18:40:21] <AlainODea> MerlinDMC: thank you very much. I sincerely appreciate it.[18:40:56] <MerlinDMC> yeah ... but I can't find the repo ^^ ... only for freebsd - maybe they did not publish them yet[18:42:13] <AlainODea> MerlinDMC: possibly. I'll mention it when I speak with Jeff later this week.[18:43:03] *** noahmehl has quit IRC[18:49:53] *** Eimann has joined #smartos[18:54:13] *** FatDarrel has joined #smartos[18:59:48] *** prasm has quit IRC[19:03:19] *** prasm has joined #smartos[19:16:54] *** wramthun has quit IRC[19:17:22] <leecallen35> How can I access (mount) a USB hard disk?[19:19:02] <leecallen35> The kernel emitted several lines when it saw the device attached, but I can't find anything that matches a block device name under /dev[19:23:04] *** nefilim has quit IRC[19:23:44] *** wramthun has joined #smartos[19:25:03] *** alfredodeza has joined #smartos[19:26:04] <alfredodeza> I use a smartos machine that defines "filesystems" where I can point to the source and target for a ZFS pool and get them automatically mounted in the VM, but I am failing to find the correct way to make that work in a KVM[19:26:37] <alfredodeza> the "Getting started with KVM" guide doesn't show anything like that, and I cannot seem to find where other advanced configurations options for KVM can be[19:28:22] <wesolows> Have you read vmadm(1M)?[19:28:36] <wesolows> It describes all the options that can be used when creating any type of instance.[19:29:19] <wesolows> But you're not going to be able to mount filesystems into KVM guests unless you use an inter-machine protocol like NFS; KVM as the name implies provides a completely isolated guest environment that has very little contact with the host.[19:29:41] <wesolows> If you want to be able to do things like mount host filesystems inside the guest, you need to be using Zones.[19:32:21] <alfredodeza> oh, I see[19:32:23] <alfredodeza> that makes sense[19:32:52] <alfredodeza> right, how would you ever be able to mount a ZFS filesystem on something that doesn't even support it :/[19:32:57] <alfredodeza> thank you wesolows[19:35:12] <wesolows> Even if it does support ZFS, it's going to expect to see that on various block devices (which we create and supply to the guest), not as a lofs mount.[19:35:44] <wesolows> So you still will never be able to use the same filesystem on host and guest at the same time unless you use something designed to work across separate OS instances (e.g., NFS).[19:36:13] <alfredodeza> where can I start reading on how to enable/configure NFS on KVM ?[19:36:49] <griffin_> the real trick is to be certain you actually need a KVM[19:36:50] <AlainODea> alfredodeza: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo[19:36:54] <alfredodeza> ah I guess that doesn't really need to be configured in the JSON[19:37:07] <AlainODea> alfredodeza: the answers are readily available for other platforms as well.[19:37:24] <alfredodeza> griffin_: unfortunately, I want to install something that is proprietary and comes as a package for certain OSs only[19:37:33] <alfredodeza> and SmartOS is not listed :([19:37:42] <griffin_> that would do it, solaris listed?[19:37:48] <alfredodeza> no[19:38:13] <alfredodeza> I am talking about Plex BTW. Here is the complete list of supported platforms: http://wiki.plexapp.com/index.php/Downloads[19:38:24] <alfredodeza> which is unfortunate as I would love to just use a zone[19:39:03] <AlainODea> alfredodeza: NFS is not configurable through vmadm. In this case you'd create an NFS export on another host, possibly an OS VM or another KVM guest[19:39:13] <alfredodeza> AlainODea: right right[19:45:45] <wesolows> There's nothing to do here -- your KVM instance is just a full HW virtualised guest. You follow the regular procedures that apply to your guest OS.[19:46:20] <wesolows> You can use NFS, AFS, NBD, ATAoE, iSCSI, whatever.[19:47:07] <alfredodeza> yep, thank you[19:47:10] <wesolows> If you want it to access something that's actually on the same host, and exported by SmartOS itself, your client setup in the guest remains generic and guest-specific, but you'll need to do additional work outside the scope of vmadm or any other supported tooling to set that up.[19:47:51] <wesolows> Since exposing files or blocks over the network is not a part of SmartOS's repertoire.[20:04:15] *** mamash has left #smartos[20:04:30] *** jsm has joined #smartos[20:12:36] *** jsm has quit IRC[20:16:14] *** bens1 has quit IRC[20:17:36] *** bens1 has joined #smartos[20:18:14] *** jsm has joined #smartos[20:28:51] *** W0rmDr1nk has quit IRC[20:36:58] <leecallen35> Is it still true that SmartOS supports USB 2.0 but not 3.0 ?[20:37:13] <wesolows> Yes.[20:37:22] <wesolows> (same as illumos generally)[20:38:21] <leecallen35> thanks[20:40:33] <nahamu> https://www.illumos.org/issues/1979[20:42:30] <leecallen35> nahamu gets extra credit[20:43:08] <nahamu> no, extra credit goes to someone who actually implements USB 3.0 support. :)[20:43:10] <leecallen35> so, its not that the extra speed is unavailable, but the USB 3.0 ports just don't work[20:43:31] <nahamu> right, illumos doesn't know how to run the chips.[20:45:54] <wesolows> unfortunately, the backward-compatible thing they did with ehci was not done with xhci. they're just completely incompatible and different.[20:46:50] <nahamu> would the FreeBSD xhci driver be a good starting point for an illumos xhci driver?[20:46:57] <wesolows> so there's no attaching to a device as an ehci target if you don't have an xhci driver, the way you could use uhci or ohci to attach to a target if you didn't have ehci.[20:47:01] <wesolows> probably.[20:47:25] <wesolows> not sure how similar their USB framework is, but unless you want to write it from scratch there's nothing else to start from.[20:47:34] <nahamu> indeed.[20:47:55] <nahamu> not that I have the time or need to do the work...[20:48:08] <wesolows> I don't either. USB 3.0 really provides no value to us.[20:48:52] <nahamu> someone just needs to send the right fancy motherboards and fancy usb3 devices to the right illumos developers.[20:50:30] <wesolows> if anyone cares about it at all.[20:52:47] <nahamu> for home machines, not for servers.[20:53:20] <nahamu> s/servers/real servers/[20:56:23] *** mgls has joined #smartos[21:06:57] <MerlinDMC> things will start to get worse when there are mainboards without USB2 ports :P[21:14:11] *** elijah-mbp has quit IRC[21:15:24] *** W0rmDr1nk has joined #smartos[21:18:25] <nahamu> right, when SMCI stops shipping the boards he's currently using, and the logical boards to use only have USB 3.0, wesolows might start caring. maybe. but he'll probably just spec a usb 2.0 pcie card and turn off the onboard controller. so... it could take rather a long time for wesolows to care.[21:20:50] <wesolows> it's also fairly unlikely that vendors will stop shipping USB 2.0 boards any time soon, because the USB 2.0 HW stack is built into the PCH on all Romley platforms.[21:21:15] <wesolows> And presumably on Grantley also, though I've not yet confirmed that.[21:21:43] <wesolows> The first will take care of the next 12-18 months, if true of Grantley, that's good for 4 years out.[21:22:18] <wesolows> USB 3.0 is power-hungry and expensive; I'd not expect any huge rush to make it universal.[21:23:39] <wesolows> By then, I expect that interest in illumos on desktops will be on par with interest in SPARC today.[21:28:32] *** jsm has quit IRC[21:36:11] *** jsm has joined #smartos[21:36:24] *** jsm has quit IRC[21:41:25] *** xinkeT has quit IRC[21:41:42] *** xinkeT has joined #smartos[21:52:08] *** wolstena has joined #smartos[21:57:39] *** leecallen35 has quit IRC[21:59:01] *** potatosalad has joined #smartos[22:01:06] *** jsm has joined #smartos[22:06:45] <potatosalad> Is there an easy way to get the load average of a guest zone from the global zone?[22:07:12] <opeth__> zlogin <zone> w[22:07:32] <potatosalad> opeth__: thanks[22:07:36] <opeth__> np[22:09:33] *** noahmehl has joined #smartos[22:09:36] <jesse_> opeth__, wouldn't "uptime" be enough?[22:10:17] <opeth__> jesse_: well, yeah, so would accessing /proc/loadavg if it existed ;][22:10:30] <opeth__> emphasis was on zlogin[22:16:11] <jzu_> doesn't the... Zone share the load avarages with GZ :)[22:16:26] <jzu_> don't really know about Illumos, but that's how it is in Solaris 11[22:17:23] <jzu_> 11:17pm up 2 day(s), 3:15, 1 user, load average: 0.23, 0.23, 0.27[22:17:25] <jzu_> 11:17pm up 1 day(s), 11:19, 1 user, load average: 0.23, 0.23, 0.27[22:17:27] <jzu_> that's GZ and NGZ[22:17:36] <jzu_> on Solaris 11 though ;)[22:18:52] <jesse_> 8:18pm up 14 day(s), 11:55, 2 users, load average: 0.71, 0.63, 0.77[22:18:58] <jesse_> 20:18pm up 6 days 4:22, 5 users, load average: 0.62, 0.53, 0.57[22:18:58] <jperkin> maybe you should upgrade to SmartOS and get a fixed uptime(1) ? :)[22:19:30] <MerlinDMC> lol[22:19:46] <jesse_> jperkin, and smartos "fixed" the values, too!=)[22:20:13] <jzu_> jperkin: nah, we have too much SPARC hardware laying around..[22:20:13] *** Tekni has joined #smartos[22:20:14] <jesse_> jperkin, that reminds me... the java load code fix I made is broken[22:20:20] <jzu_> jperkin: altough we do run SmartOS for customer VM's[22:20:29] <jperkin> maybe you should upgrade to x86? :)[22:20:52] <jzu_> jperkin: don't have the money, already bought 2* x86 hosts.. other one is cold spare for the smartos host ;)[22:20:52] <jesse_> jperkin, (or the test for it), or the smartos reporting when there are... process groups(?)[22:20:56] <jzu_> jperkin: it's a hobby so =)[22:21:19] *** whyz has quit IRC[22:22:36] *** xinkeT has quit IRC[22:22:51] <jesse_> jperkin, (not that I've ever seen or heard about code that would use the load values for anything...)[22:29:29] *** whyz has joined #smartos[22:34:00] *** jsm has quit IRC[22:34:53] *** leecallen has joined #smartos[22:34:59] *** elijah-mbp has joined #smartos[22:40:08] *** chorrell has quit IRC[22:47:08] *** bens1 has quit IRC[22:48:53] *** lloydde has quit IRC[22:49:19] *** lloydde has joined #smartos[22:49:37] *** lloydde has quit IRC[22:52:18] *** lloydde has joined #smartos[22:53:28] *** whyz has quit IRC[22:58:57] *** whyz has joined #smartos[23:20:01] *** mamash has joined #smartos[23:21:21] *** xenol has quit IRC[23:22:32] *** cpn has quit IRC[23:24:06] *** lloydde has quit IRC[23:24:29] *** lloydde has joined #smartos[23:26:43] *** xenol has joined #smartos[23:26:54] *** mamash has left #smartos[23:30:26] *** julianduque has joined #smartos[23:34:07] *** xenol has quit IRC[23:34:15] *** xenol has joined #smartos[23:39:37] *** yo61 is now known as Bugs_Bunny[23:39:53] *** Bugs_Bunny is now known as yo61[23:39:59] *** Alek has quit IRC[23:41:47] *** mikl has joined #smartos[23:45:04] *** jsm has joined #smartos[23:50:02] *** jsm has quit IRC[23:53:39] *** mgls has quit IRC[23:57:51] *** axonpoet has quit IRC