September 6, 2013 
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September 6, 2013 [00:05:20] *** neophenix has quit IRC[00:05:27] *** szaydel has quit IRC[00:08:42] *** mary5030 has quit IRC[00:08:57] *** arekinath_ has joined #smartos[00:09:31] *** arekinath has quit IRC[00:09:53] *** jaimef has quit IRC[00:10:58] *** jaimef has joined #smartos[00:20:57] *** khushildep has joined #smartos[00:25:35] *** jlove has quit IRC[00:25:52] *** Godsey has quit IRC[00:25:55] *** backjlack has quit IRC[00:27:45] *** elijah-mbp has quit IRC[00:28:52] <jesse_> wesolows, ok, I got it to boot iwhtout your test image[00:28:59] *** elijah-mbp has joined #smartos[00:28:59] <jesse_> with ,zpools=zones[00:29:00] *** jlove has joined #smartos[00:29:22] <jesse_> next lines after the sd ones on a successful boot were[00:29:22] <jesse_> dump on /dev/zvol/dsk/zones/dump size 4096 MB[00:29:23] <jesse_> Loading smf(5) service descriptions: 2/2[00:30:04] <jesse_> the box has usb formatted zfs, so basically it causes the non-boot, I think[00:30:14] *** jim80net has quit IRC[00:33:59] <jesse_> after boot the usb zfs imports without a problem[00:34:42] *** khushildep has quit IRC[00:40:53] *** jlove has quit IRC[00:43:48] *** elijah-mbp has quit IRC[00:46:16] *** elijah-mbp has joined #smartos[00:47:32] *** potatosalad has quit IRC[00:50:27] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[00:51:37] *** ryancnelson has quit IRC[00:51:43] *** ryancnelson1 has joined #smartos[01:09:45] *** jlove has joined #smartos[01:13:47] *** arekinath_ is now known as arekinath[01:13:50] *** jlove has quit IRC[01:13:51] *** arekinath has quit IRC[01:13:51] *** arekinath has joined #smartos[01:17:48] *** ryancnelson1 is now known as ryancnelson[01:18:26] <jesse_> wesolows, the test image (20130905T185914Z) fixes something, as ,zpools=zones is not required with it[01:18:32] *** Alek has quit IRC[01:18:49] <wesolows> well that's... interesting. and surprising.[01:18:54] <wesolows> it's just a new driver.[01:19:10] <wesolows> It should be otherwise substantially identical to today's release.[01:19:20] <jesse_> yeah, I rebooted 5(?) times while figuring out the need for zpools[01:19:42] <jesse_> and now the test image the same way 5-ish times, too[01:19:44] <wesolows> FWIW, I don't need anything special with this driver to boot an SDC image either.[01:19:53] *** bixu_ has joined #smartos[01:19:59] *** bixu_ has quit IRC[01:20:07] <wesolows> But I don't have any basis to compare since the only test system I have can't use the old image.[01:20:16] <jesse_> what's with the cpqary3 version, though? cpqary3 (HP Smart Array Driver Ver 0.01J)[01:20:26] <wesolows> It didn't come with a version.[01:20:30] <wesolows> I made one up.[01:21:05] *** bixu_ has joined #smartos[01:21:07] *** Alek has joined #smartos[01:21:30] <jesse_> previous one was cpqary3 (HP Smart Array Driver Ver 2.4.4)[01:21:40] <jesse_> and a year ago the newest was 2.5.1[01:21:42] <wesolows> This has no practical relation to that one.[01:21:49] *** bixu_ is now known as hjhart[01:21:54] <wesolows> i.e., those were blobs, and this is source.[01:22:12] <jesse_> (I tried 2.5.1 whily trying ot get around another problem I've fixed since)[01:22:22] <jesse_> nice[01:22:27] <wesolows> I have no information about what source those blobs were built from, nor do I have any indication as to the relationship between this source and the source used to build those blobs.[01:22:34] *** hjhart has quit IRC[01:22:39] <jesse_> you did some deal with hp?[01:22:51] <wesolows> HP licensed this code to us.[01:22:53] *** hjhart has joined #smartos[01:23:01] <jesse_> nice[01:23:22] <wesolows> I've since modified it considerably, though mainly in ways not related to core functionality.[01:23:26] <jesse_> so maybe that hardware won't be totally useless in a year or two=)[01:23:35] <wesolows> It will always be totally useless.[01:24:05] <wesolows> You'll just have an illumos driver for it in the gate. :)[01:24:09] <jesse_> it's a dev box for me. Works for that as long as it keeps booting.=)[01:25:11] <jesse_> so there's going to be a real release with that driver out today?[01:25:34] *** potatosalad has joined #smartos[01:26:02] <wesolows> no[01:26:22] <wesolows> I was going to, but I need some test feedback. Today's release way already cut and didn't have that.[01:26:50] <wesolows> *was already[01:27:14] <jesse_> ok, so the next release, then?[01:27:19] <wesolows> Hopefully.[01:28:38] <jesse_> so that is basically today's release with the new cpqary driver?[01:29:19] <wesolows> yeah. very close to that, anyway.[01:29:34] <wesolows> I didn't use the tagged code, because it's really not important to the test.[01:32:12] <jesse_> it'll do for couple of weeks[01:46:51] *** tbatchelli_m has joined #smartos[01:47:00] *** Alek has quit IRC[02:01:18] *** W0rmDr1nk has quit IRC[02:03:30] *** Alek has joined #smartos[02:07:03] *** W0rmDr1nk has joined #smartos[02:11:11] *** potatosalad has quit IRC[02:14:01] *** emocakes has joined #smartos[02:17:06] *** nikolam has quit IRC[02:18:37] *** nikolam has joined #smartos[02:33:23] *** chorrell has joined #smartos[02:36:18] *** tbatchelli_m has quit IRC[02:43:20] *** dap has quit IRC[02:51:24] *** axonpoet has joined #smartos[02:54:51] *** vizant0 has quit 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IRC[18:41:09] *** tbatchelli_m has joined #smartos[18:43:18] *** Guest90070 has quit IRC[18:44:30] *** mamash has left #smartos[18:48:48] *** mamash has joined #smartos[18:53:51] *** khushildep has quit IRC[18:54:39] *** joltman has joined #smartos[18:55:04] <joltman> how does KVM and ZFS on teh same box handle memory? what do you have to adjust so one doesn't trample the other?[18:55:45] <szaydel> ARC will give up RAM as necessary.[18:56:01] *** dap has quit IRC[18:56:25] <joltman> but don't you set RAM in the vm config file? ARC just won't see it as "available?[18:56:29] <rmustacc> KVM locks down memory so once you dedicate it to a vm nothing else will see it.[18:56:41] <joltman> so i have 48GB on a host, and decide that 1GB is for a zone/KVM? ZFS then sees 47GB?[18:57:01] <rmustacc> Effectively.[18:57:08] <rmustacc> There is memory that we know the arc can't use.[18:57:15] <rmustacc> It enters that set along with other memory.[18:58:00] *** cjones_ has quit IRC[18:58:17] *** cjones_ has joined #smartos[18:58:18] <joltman> is that specific to SmartOS? or just part of the KVM port that Joyent wrote?[18:58:28] *** noahmehl has joined #smartos[18:58:33] <rmustacc> It's based on how we proted kvm to illumos.[18:58:44] <rmustacc> QEMU locks its memory pages.[18:58:51] <rmustacc> The same way any other application may do so.[18:58:58] <rmustacc> Memory that is locked can't be stolen away for other uses.[18:59:14] <joltman> awesome[18:59:29] <joltman> and project fifo looks pretty awesome[18:59:34] <joltman> glad someone is working on that[18:59:56] *** dap has joined #smartos[19:01:14] <Licenser> joltman thanks :)[19:01:48] <joltman> Is that you? cuz it looks bad ass[19:02:01] <joltman> gives me hope that i can get rid of ESXi[19:07:00] <joltman> still a little nervous to switch :-)[19:08:05] *** masquerade has joined #smartos[19:08:29] *** masquerade is now known as Guest54869[19:12:05] *** Alek has joined #smartos[19:13:54] *** W0rmDr1nk has quit IRC[19:17:30] <jim80net> joltman: SmartOS is a big paradigm shift to ESXi.[19:17:41] <jim80net> to/ from?[19:18:02] *** deirdres has quit IRC[19:18:36] <joltman> yeah it is. It'd be nice to learn something else[19:19:07] <jim80net> SmartOS is more resource management and fault isolation, and ESXi is more everything in the ring together.[19:20:36] <jim80net> though, that's really an unqualified statement.[19:26:45] *** dap has quit IRC[19:26:46] *** dysinger has joined #smartos[19:31:37] *** mariusp has joined #smartos[19:34:29] <opeth__> and on a sidenote, with SmartOS you get no shared storage nor live migration as HA functionality is meant to be implemented in the application layer instead[19:36:00] <wesolows> did vmware implement "live" migration for multi-CPU guests?[19:36:05] *** bens1 has quit IRC[19:36:05] <opeth__> ZFS snapshot replication, however, could provide kind of a hot-standby approach[19:36:40] <wesolows> they have a cool feature where guests are transmitted to a remote host in lockstep with execution, but I think it worked only for uniprocessors.[19:36:45] <opeth__> I wouldn't be an authentic source of information regarding VMware, I barely scratched the tip of the underwater iceberg[19:36:49] <wesolows> We obvious have made no attempt to do either. :)[19:36:56] <wesolows> (that's a really hard problem)[19:38:38] <opeth__> I did like throwing about OpenVZ containers but I'm used to HA Solaris containers failing over across nodes as orchestrated by cluster engines like SC or VCS[19:39:16] <wesolows> or as I like to call them, low-availability clusters[19:39:41] <opeth__> :][19:39:46] <opeth__> haven't yet heard that[19:39:50] <opeth__> but it does make sense indeed[19:39:59] <wesolows> my article on it is probably still the #1 google hit for that term[19:40:07] <wesolows> such a bad architecture.[19:40:09] <opeth__> I'll take a look, thanks for the hint[19:41:16] <opeth__> the replication-based standby idea does the trick for me on SmartOS[19:41:42] <wesolows> cool. it really should be a good fit for probably 80-90% of all use cases[19:41:54] <joltman> this past week i've storage vMotioned all my VMs from one datastore to another[19:42:01] <joltman> many of them were multi-CPU[19:42:10] <joltman> they all stayed up during the migration as well[19:42:16] <opeth__> I have nothing productive, in all honesty I no longer have even a standby node at my disposal but when I test-drove the platform and finally migrated, I did it that way[19:42:19] <wesolows> cool[19:42:50] <wesolows> that's really a form of checkpoint-restart, one of the hardest problems in the art.[19:53:48] *** potatosalad has quit IRC[19:59:02] *** szaydel has quit IRC[20:00:01] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[20:03:26] *** Alek2 has joined #smartos[20:04:29] *** Alek has quit IRC[20:04:35] *** mamash has left #smartos[20:05:17] *** hjhart has joined #smartos[20:06:02] *** dap has joined #smartos[20:08:05] *** Alek2 has quit IRC[20:10:55] *** szaydel has quit IRC[20:12:17] *** Alek has joined #smartos[20:12:39] *** szaydel has joined #smartos[20:14:00] *** deirdres has joined #smartos[20:15:30] *** bens1 has joined #smartos[20:25:56] *** bens1 has quit IRC[20:27:06] *** Alek has quit IRC[20:29:35] <jim80net> joltman: I wrote a handy little script to migrate vm's based on Licenser's article http://blog.smartcore.net.au/migrate-kvm-smartos-vms-to-remote-nodes/[20:29:54] <jim80net> the article says kvm, but zones migrate just as well.[20:30:32] <jim80net> and the script: https://gist.github.com/jim80net/5997596[20:30:50] <Licenser> joltman that's actually trentster's article :)[20:30:57] <jim80net> oh sorry[20:31:20] *** Alek has joined #smartos[20:33:06] *** noahmehl has quit IRC[20:35:40] *** mariusp has quit IRC[20:39:19] *** jedahan has joined #smartos[20:45:42] <bixu> I haven't looked at jim80net's tool, but I did also write this a while back: https://github.com/bixu/vmsend[20:46:07] <bixu> (That's just for smartos zones, not kvm (I think) - pull requests welcome!)[20:46:46] *** tbatchelli_ has joined #smartos[20:47:26] *** tbatchelli_m has quit IRC[20:50:09] <jim80net> lol, there's a vmadm send, I have never actually used that![20:50:31] <bixu> jim80net: I have no idea how supported that is.[20:51:41] <bixu> This is just something I wrote for fun, and it worked well in my limited tests. Not that it's nothing like vMotion (the host has to go down at some point). I suppose if you added incremental zfs send/recv support, you could take more and more frequent snapshots and sync between compute nodes until the downtime was relatively brief.[20:52:54] <bixu> vMotion sounds cool, and is impressive, but I'd personally rather leave HA up to application architecture (something I control) rather than the vendor (where I have less control).[20:53:24] <jim80net> yeah, my script makes that relatively painless, but certainly vmotion type functionality could be quite nice.[20:54:22] <bixu> jim80net: Your tool looks much more evolved than mine.[20:55:19] <bixu> Maybe even doing stuff that vmadm can't do yet...?[20:55:59] <jim80net> not really, it just sends a snapshot traditional style and has a nice way of sending incrementals[20:56:13] <jim80net> it presumes mbuffer though, but that's easily modified out.[20:58:35] <ryancnelson> this is kinda cool: http://www.bolthole.com/solaris/zrep/[20:58:43] *** pringlescan has joined #smartos[20:58:55] <ryancnelson> "Zrep is an enterprise-grade, single-program solution for handling asynchronous, continuous replication of a zfs filesystem, to another filesystem."[21:00:02] <bixu> ryancnelson: Whoa![21:01:02] <jim80net> Nice! i had zfs shipping on my backburner, now it looks like I can just use this.[21:01:52] *** tbatchelli_ has quit IRC[21:02:28] *** tbatchelli_m has joined #smartos[21:03:17] *** pringlescan has quit IRC[21:03:55] *** elijah-mbp has quit IRC[21:05:08] <ryancnelson> yeah, basically, it does "sync, wait, sync again, wait, sync again…repeat"[21:05:19] <ryancnelson> if you try that out, please let me know how it works[21:05:29] <ryancnelson> i just had that bookmarked from long ago[21:05:37] <Teknix> I looked at zrep recently[21:05:38] <ryancnelson> just noticed he updated it a couple months back[21:05:58] <Teknix> I instead when with zfsnap[21:06:05] <ryancnelson> wonder what the perf impact of constantly zfs sending is[21:06:21] *** elijah-mbp has joined #smartos[21:06:30] <ryancnelson> this? https://github.com/graudeejs/zfSnap[21:06:38] <Teknix> er yeah, that[21:06:45] <Teknix> and there is another one I paired it with, trying to remember[21:06:59] <Teknix> this was for a big client[21:07:55] * jim80net uses zsnapper for rotating vm snapshots, i had considered trying to plug into that, since it's already generating snapshots, but me has no node foo.[21:10:12] *** mariusp has joined #smartos[21:11:41] *** mariusp has quit IRC[21:11:45] <Teknix> so I wrote a wrapper I called snapxfer around zfSnap and zxfer[21:12:02] <Teknix> with options async, hourly, daily, weekly[21:12:12] <Teknix> async happens every 5 mins[21:12:26] <Teknix> you could do it every minute, or I suppose every few seconds[21:12:36] <Teknix> since it's primiarly sending incrementals[21:12:50] <Teknix> impact would depend on the churn rate[21:14:23] <Teknix> zfSnap handles snapshots based on a time-to-live value embedded in the snapshot name (which effects rotation). zxfer makes sure the snapshots are in sync on the target[21:14:59] * jim80net makes a note to try these out this weekend.[21:18:14] *** njm has quit IRC[21:19:27] *** rmustacc has quit IRC[21:20:06] <Teknix> I suppose that would be worthy of a blog entry.. I'll have to see about cleaning up what I wrote for the client[21:21:25] <jim80net> Please do, I for one would be very interested[21:21:37] <jim80net> s/commas in places/[21:21:39] <xenol> and what about original zfs snapshotting service? http://121.73.68.241/share/zfs-snapshot.tar.gz[21:22:04] <Teknix> that's useful for an individual host, but I don't believe it has any provision for sending to a secondary[21:22:17] *** jedahan has quit IRC[21:22:59] <Teknix> jim80net: does your script work with kvm instances?[21:23:14] <xenol> Teknix: if should have plugin architecture. there was rsync and zfs send[21:23:26] <MerlinDMC> Teknix, if you get some article for that online be sure to ping the channel ... and maybe give deirdres a tweet to forward to the rest :)[21:23:33] <jim80net> Teknix: yes, it does. I've been using it pretty extensively at $sidejob[21:23:57] <Teknix> MerlinDMC: ok[21:24:09] <jim80net> I usually use it to seed the transfer, then do incrementals until ready for downtime.[21:24:21] *** julianduque has joined #smartos[21:24:23] <Teknix> cool[21:24:55] *** njm has joined #smartos[21:29:43] *** izaki has joined #smartos[21:30:23] *** ryancnelson has quit IRC[21:42:53] *** hjhart has quit IRC[21:54:40] *** simmel has joined #smartos[21:55:10] *** AlainODea has quit IRC[21:55:21] <izaki> Hi! Anybody knows if there is any magic trick to enable 10G on kvm virtio nics?[21:56:17] *** potatosalad has joined #smartos[22:17:08] <Teknix> MerlinDMC: for what it's worth.. http://zpool.org/2013/09/06/zfs-snapshots-and-remote-replication[22:18:02] <MerlinDMC> Teknix, I thought of having something to work at next week but I can live with now as well :P[22:18:21] <jim80net> Teknix: Awesome, thanks![22:18:26] *** altf2o has joined #smartos[22:18:27] <Teknix> I mostly had to clean up a doc I had already written[22:18:51] <MerlinDMC> will read tomorrow ... it's late over here[22:19:04] <simmel> Is there a default root password for zones? I've tried to set customer_metadata { root_pw: a } and it doesn't work. I've also tried to edit /etc/shadow in ZFS but that didn't work either = /[22:19:15] <MerlinDMC> i'll grab my pillow[22:19:20] <xenol> simmel: root_pw needs to be in internal_metadata[22:19:30] <xenol> and by default there is no password for root account in zones[22:21:08] <simmel> xenol: So <enter> would work? Or is there a null password so root can't login?[22:21:23] <simmel> xenol: And thanks! Someone should update the wiki[22:22:11] <simmel> Or, it was just a comment[22:22:40] <xenol> simmel: not sure about pressing the enter. The account is configured you can login via vmadm console[22:22:57] <xenol> I am using zlogin <uuid> to get into zone shell[22:24:14] <simmel> Oh. I was pretty sure I had tried that...[22:24:24] <simmel> xenol: I used vmadm console <uuid>[22:24:27] <MerlinDMC> Teknix, your archievements list ... priceless[22:24:28] <simmel> xenol: Double thanks![22:24:38] <Teknix> heh, that thread was funny[22:24:49] <Teknix> I need to copy the images locally since some of them keep disappearing[22:27:23] *** rmustacc has joined #smartos[22:30:32] *** papertigers has joined #smartos[22:32:03] <papertigers> when looking at "::vmem" should I see sbrk_top roughly the same as SIZE/RSS reported by prstat for that process?[22:55:28] *** tbatchelli_m has joined #smartos[23:05:50] *** bens1 has joined #smartos[23:07:54] *** sebasp_ has quit IRC[23:08:49] *** sebasp_ has joined #smartos[23:10:26] *** sebasp has quit IRC[23:12:24] *** sebasp has joined #smartos[23:17:37] *** bens1 has quit IRC[23:18:18] *** izaki has quit IRC[23:18:28] *** julianduque has quit IRC[23:19:11] *** julianduque has joined #smartos[23:26:09] *** ryancnelson has joined #smartos[23:28:41] *** joltman has left #smartos[23:40:46] *** cjones__ has joined #smartos[23:43:26] *** cjones_ has quit IRC[23:45:03] *** chorrell has quit IRC[23:50:08] *** Godsey has joined #smartos[23:51:55] <Godsey> jperkin: the percona55-cluster github bug I opened about /usr/gnu/bin/grep was closed as not a smartos pkgsrc issue[23:55:45] *** daleg has quit IRC[23:59:46] *** neophenix has quit IRC