November 25, 2014 
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IRC[17:41:42] *** _marc` has quit IRC[17:50:57] <eriktorbjorn> No pun intended, but this is almost something of a dream come true for me: http://www.zojoi.com/retrodejavu/[17:52:11] <eriktorbjorn> Looks like they're using this to run them, which is pretty impresive though not without issues: http://seancode.com/webventure/[17:53:10] *** [vEX] has joined #scummvm[17:53:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o [vEX][17:53:36] *** TMM has quit IRC[17:53:53] *** TMM has joined #scummvm[17:55:40] *** [vEX]| has joined #scummvm[17:56:48] *** [vEX]- has quit IRC[17:57:39] *** [vEX] has quit IRC[17:58:14] *** ny00123 has joined #scummvm[18:21:49] *** Harekiet has quit IRC[18:22:04] *** frankyboy_ has joined #scummvm[18:23:20] *** Harekiet has joined #scummvm[18:28:09] *** WooShell has joined #scummvm[18:29:52] <WooShell> meow =^.^=[18:46:38] *** sirlemonhead has joined #scummvm[18:54:12] *** m_kiewitz has joined #scummvm[18:54:12] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o m_kiewitz[19:03:47] *** _marc` has joined #scummvm[19:22:07] *** ST has quit IRC[19:27:38] <m_kiewitz> anyone want King's Quest 5 FM Towns? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KINGS-QUEST-V-5-FM-Towns-Marty-Jp-Japan-Jpn-Very-Rare-/251731059479[19:29:10] <eriktorbjorn> m_kiewitz: Not anywhere near that badly.[19:29:15] <m_kiewitz> :P[19:29:24] <eriktorbjorn> I'm surprised at the floppy. I thought the FM Towns was CD only.[19:30:29] <eriktorbjorn> Sad thing, though, that's not even his most expensive FM Towns game.[19:30:58] <droid2727> I got it for 1/4 that price, iirc[19:31:18] <m_kiewitz> droid: how? you got lucky?[19:31:24] <droid2727> eBay[19:31:34] <m_kiewitz> so lucky...[19:32:06] <m_kiewitz> are those CDs readable on a PC?[19:32:55] <droid2727> Nah, I used a magnifying glass and read off the bits ;)[19:33:56] <m_kiewitz> i meant do they use some standard file system or something special? simply ISO-9660?[19:35:20] <eriktorbjorn> m_kiewitz: The FM Towns version of Loom seems to use ISO 9660 at any rate. (At least, that's what Linux says it mounted it as.)[19:35:43] <m_kiewitz> if it was cheaper, I would get it. sadly way too expensive[19:36:10] <m_kiewitz> droid2727: does FM Towns kq5 already work using ScummVM?[19:39:39] *** Wishmaster has joined #scummvm[19:40:02] <droid2727> yes[19:40:31] <droid2727> athrxx did all the dirty work a few years back[19:42:34] <m_kiewitz> including music?[19:43:58] <droid2727> that was the only difference[19:45:17] <m_kiewitz> wow, nice[19:57:20] *** ST has joined #scummvm[19:57:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ST[19:57:54] *** ajax16384 has quit IRC[19:59:54] *** ajax16384 has joined #scummvm[19:59:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ajax16384[20:00:41] *** chkr has quit IRC[20:01:57] *** criezy has joined #scummvm[20:01:57] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o criezy[20:02:17] *** chkr has joined #scummvm[20:18:25] *** iqltsx has joined #scummvm[20:27:38] *** h00ligan has joined #scummvm[20:27:38] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o h00ligan[20:28:11] *** criezy_ has joined #scummvm[20:28:11] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o criezy_[20:28:37] *** criezy has quit IRC[20:28:37] *** criezy_ is now known as criezy[20:29:29] *** Dominus has quit IRC[20:29:39] *** Dominus has joined #scummvm[20:30:37] *** ajax16384 has quit IRC[20:33:48] *** h00ligan has quit IRC[20:36:58] *** ajax16384 has joined #scummvm[20:36:58] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ajax16384[20:54:26] <Strangerke> Guys, we are listed as a project of the week on SF[20:56:01] *** edheldil_ has joined #scummvm[20:56:51] <wjp> again[20:57:30] <Strangerke> yes, we rock.[20:57:31] <Strangerke> ;)[20:58:33] <fydo> yay![21:01:03] <Strangerke> Not related: I'd like to bribe someone so he RE Access sound code. Any volunteering victim?[21:02:49] * Strangerke puts a giant hook in a Kebap and throws it in direction of DrMcCoy[21:02:57] <Strangerke> cooooome on....[21:10:09] <Strangerke> droid2727: What did you do to the Real DrMcCoy!?![21:10:58] <SylvainTV> :P[21:11:16] *** edheldil_ has quit IRC[21:11:24] <SylvainTV> Access denied![21:12:22] *** TMM has quit IRC[21:14:40] *** D0SFreak has quit IRC[21:18:21] <m_kiewitz> Strangerke: hell yeah :P[21:39:25] *** GitHub167 has joined #scummvm[21:39:25] <GitHub167> [scummvm] skristiansson opened pull request #536: BACKENDS: Add zip filesystem node (master...pr/zip-fs) http://git.io/VspWfA[21:39:25] *** GitHub167 has left #scummvm[21:41:38] <wjp> ... uh oh[21:45:14] <fuzzie> heh.[21:45:28] <fuzzie> so I guess that will be a reject[21:45:50] <wjp> it's a rather good argument in favour of it though[21:46:26] <wjp> so I don't know[21:46:48] <fuzzie> yes, but it kind of leads directly to exactly what we've been avoiding[21:46:52] *** iqltsx has quit IRC[21:46:53] <wjp> yup...[21:47:33] *** D0SFreak has joined #scummvm[21:48:04] *** Wishmaster has quit IRC[21:48:27] <stekern> yeah, I *did* read the FAQ entry about zip archives before writing that patch... but as you say, my reasons are quite special[21:48:59] <fuzzie> yes, we'll have to discuss it[21:49:50] *** edheldil_ has joined #scummvm[21:50:30] *** salty-horse has joined #scummvm[21:50:30] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o salty-horse[21:51:07] <fuzzie> I don't know anything about WP8.1[21:51:21] <fuzzie> but you can't read arbitrary files from anywhere, not even under AppData or similar?[21:51:42] <fuzzie> (a quick google does seem to imply this is true, so the only way to read arbitrary files is one-by-one using the system file picker)[21:51:47] <stekern> ...and I took that into account when I designed it, so that you have to explicitly enable it per fs-backend[21:52:16] <fuzzie> right, but then you'll presumably enable it on WP8.1.. :)[21:52:33] <fuzzie> unfortunately I think it's totally a lost battle now anyway[21:52:44] <fuzzie> I mean, on our part[21:52:59] <stekern> you can read data from the "Installed location" (or whatever it's called), but that means that you have to bundle the data with the app[21:53:14] <fuzzie> yes, I mean the appdata on the sd card[21:54:03] <stekern> that *might* be possible, but afaik, the appdata is encrypted (but admitedly, I haven't fully investigated this)[21:54:15] <fuzzie> yes, but you can encrypt it yourself[21:54:28] <fuzzie> so one (terrible) alternative would presumably be to allow transfers somehow[21:55:49] <fuzzie> there are also some practical objections here[21:55:58] <fuzzie> like, performance is likely to be *terrible* with this implementation[21:56:39] <fuzzie> or, I guess on a phone, it might simply not work[21:56:45] <fuzzie> since you can't dive into swap I assume[21:57:02] <fuzzie> so if ZipArchive just reads huge files into memory then doom[21:57:08] <stekern> I agree that it's not ideal from a practical stand point, especially since the whole files are read into memory[21:57:40] <fuzzie> so in that sense it needs more thought..[21:58:07] <fuzzie> you could adapt the code to open new streams+substreams for uncompressed files maybe[21:58:16] <fuzzie> hi anyway, and good to hear of a wp8.1 port.. :)[22:01:04] <stekern> yeah, it's been long due ;)[22:01:53] <stekern> I've got one of them, not by own choice though...[22:02:35] *** Wishmaster has joined #scummvm[22:14:24] <Sir_Burpalot> Out of curiosity, how does not having support for zip archives prevent piracy?[22:15:14] <fuzzie> that's a straw man question :)[22:15:53] <Sir_Burpalot> It's not like manually extracting an archive is so difficult that people who'd otherwise pirate games would instead buy them just to avoid doing it.[22:16:11] <fuzzie> sure, so it's a good thing no-one claims it prevents piracy :-p[22:18:50] *** SugarCube has quit IRC[22:19:13] <Sir_Burpalot> Okay, I'll rephrase.[22:19:31] *** SugarCube has joined #scummvm[22:20:04] <Sir_Burpalot> What is the rationale behind the argument that ScummVM not having support for zip archive will lead to less piracy?[22:20:12] <Sir_Burpalot> *archives[22:22:47] <fuzzie> also not anything anyone claims[22:30:54] *** edheldil_ has quit IRC[22:33:12] *** frankyboy_ has quit IRC[22:33:27] *** Quatroking has quit IRC[22:35:24] *** Quatroking has joined #scummvm[22:44:46] *** _marc` has quit IRC[22:50:25] *** Wishmaster has quit IRC[22:54:17] <DrMcCoy> Strangerke: Wait, what?[23:00:25] <fydo> don't a lot of games already have their resources compressed? double-compression seems wasteful[23:00:59] <DrMcCoy> zip can store data uncompressed[23:02:09] *** D0SFreak has quit IRC[23:27:47] *** salty-horse has quit IRC[23:28:19] *** Ramal has quit IRC[23:28:43] *** D0SFreak has joined #scummvm[23:28:59] *** ny00123 has quit IRC[23:29:48] *** DOSFreak has joined #scummvm[23:33:34] *** D0SFreak has quit IRC[23:39:46] *** Jon_God has joined #scummvm[23:39:57] *** Ramal has joined #scummvm[23:42:01] *** DOSFreak has quit IRC[23:43:05] *** ajax16384 has quit IRC[23:49:58] *** criezy has quit IRC