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[00:05:10] <inthl> can one clear something up for me? Either my setup is somewhat broken or I got things wrong: sending 1 email to multiple recipients, say 4 people, using BCC so that they can't see who else got the mail, then everyone of the 4 recipients has the 'To:' as the recipient (which might be a totally different address), instead of seeing 'mail came from <sender> and is designated to <you>', they all see 'mail came from <sender> and is
[00:05:10] <inthl> designated to <email-in-to:-field>' ..is that correct?
[00:06:28] <inthl> that is the case with my setup, I actually want everyone of the recipients to see 'mail came from <sender> and is designated to <you>' without mentioning any To:-recipients
[00:08:19] <inthl> leaving To: just blank leads to undisclosed-recipients:; so 'mail came from <sender> to <your-address>' is usually not being shown, true?
[00:10:51] <rob0> well, this is really more a general email question, not much to do with Postfix; that part that IS about Postfix, the answer is no, you can't.
[00:11:16] <rob0> Headers in mail have nothing to do with routing.
[00:11:33] <rob0> !envelope
[00:11:33] <knoba> rob0: SMTP has MAIL FROM and RCPT TO commands. Addresses in those commands are envelope addresses. There is no requirement that they appear in any header.
[00:12:48] <rob0> What a user sees depends on her MUA. They're not all alike, and you can't force them to display things all the same.
[00:15:38] <rob0> Yes, when you send a Bcc, that recipient address won't appear in To: nor Cc: headers.
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[00:30:15] <inthl> rob0, I guessed so, it's just that a friend asked me about this, using my postfix setup, I thought I got something wrong - this thing just never came up before. thanks for clarifying :>
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[03:00:49] <xpoint> shorewall is still my friend
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[09:16:27] <xpoint> is there a good perl to convert maildir to mbox without login to dovecot ?, i have a mailfolder where S=<size> does not fit same as file size in filesystem, and this kills current dovecot on gentoo :(((((
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[10:39:56] <pj> xpoint: ask in #dovecot or ##email
[10:47:07] <xpoint> i can try, just waiting, so far i have found msgimport.sh in roundcube that can be made a folder wrapper to so it will import a whole maildir++ folder in one go
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[18:10:30] <docmax> can i do something similar like sender_dependent_relayhost_maps but on the "from:" field?
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[19:47:31] <rob0> docmax, I guess you could use a content filter, or else just have the sender[s] use a different MSA.
[19:47:34] <rob0> !xy
[19:47:34] <knoba> rob0: The XY problem is that you want to do X, but don't know how. You think that you can solve X by doing Y, so you ask us how to do Y. We tell you that's an odd problem to want to solve. Just ask us about the real problem.
[19:48:02] <docmax> rob0: i use header_check now
[19:48:07] <rob0> SMTP for the most part does not care what's in headers.
[19:48:32] <docmax> header_checks = pcre:/etc/postfix/relaymap_from
[20:08:06] <docmax> damint
[20:08:19] <docmax> how can i match pcre from: and sender: ?
[20:09:13] <rob0> hm? From: OR Sender: header?
[20:09:40] <docmax> no, if sender: xxx AND from: yyy
[20:09:45] <rob0> you cannot match two different headers, no
[20:10:05] <rob0> I guess you could use a content filter, or else just have the sender[s] use a different MSA.
[20:10:25] <docmax> ^From:.*xxx.*>\nSender:.*yyy.*>
[20:10:43] <docmax> something like this
[20:10:44] <rob0> !header_checks
[20:10:44] <knoba> rob0: a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables for content inspection of primary non-MIME message headers, as specified in the header_checks(5) manual page.
[20:11:07] <rob0> see BUILTIN_FILTER_README and the limitations section
[20:12:46] <docmax> i need the sending from: to be checked my header_check
[20:12:54] <docmax> not the incomming
[20:14:36] <rob0> !cleanup_service_name
[20:14:37] <knoba> rob0: a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The name of the cleanup(8) service. This service rewrites addresses and performs canonical(5) address mapping and virtual(5) aliasing.
[20:15:06] <docmax> so how can i do this exactly?
[20:15:13] <rob0> um, that would usually be specified in master.cf, not main.cf
[20:15:19] <docmax> there is a smtp_header_check
[20:15:35] <rob0> !smtp!=smtpd
[20:15:36] <knoba> rob0: Postfix smtp_* and smtpd_* configuration parameters have different meanings. smtp_ = client and smtpd_ = server, the client-side sends mail whilst the server-side receives mail. (smtp = client = sends mail) (smtpd = server = receives mail)
[20:16:05] <xpoint> Will Coffee makes Tea? 🍋🍊😅
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[23:28:36] <ponky> hi. is it a bad idea to use $virtual_alias_maps to rewrite recipient to local username (UNIX or virtual user) before sending the message to LMTP for final delivery?
[23:28:51] <ponky> would it be better to skip rewriting altogether and let dovecot figure out the username for final delivery?
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