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[01:31:10] <rjsalts> that test seems a bit broken -> 2019-09-19 01:29:30 SMTP protocol synchronization error (input sent without waiting for greeting): rejected connection from H=its-netzwerk.com [83.151.28.48] input="HELO its-netzwerk.com\r\nMAIL FROM"
[01:31:48] <rjsalts> I think postscreen is going to block it before it gets done testing for backscatter
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[10:36:44] * tuxick spotted "forwarding"
[10:36:53] <tuxick> that's the only bit that needs fixing
[10:37:00] <tuxick> rest is waste of time
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[14:35:51] <ooAoo> hello
[14:36:37] <ooAoo> anyone around at this time?
[14:44:24] <Vamp898> at least me :P
[14:45:17] <ooAoo> Vamp898: hello
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[14:46:33] <Vamp898> ooAoo hello
[14:46:37] <ooAoo> i am whitelist mailserver so that it can avoid the header_check
[14:48:22] <ooAoo> is the following order correct?
[14:48:25] <ooAoo> https://paste.linux.community/view/b4ef9ed6
[14:58:49] <Vamp898> header_checks are in the cleanup daemon
[14:59:13] <Vamp898> smtpd_recipient_restrictions are in the smtpd daemon (so they are used before
[14:59:57] <ooAoo> Vamp898: i figure out i might have put my whitelist in the wrong place
[14:59:58] <ooAoo> :)
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[15:04:26] <ooAoo> Vamp898: are these the same thing?
[15:04:29] <ooAoo> postfix Received: from vs RCPT from
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[15:23:07] <ooAoo> hello
[15:25:27] <ooAoo> i have whitelist turn on for a specific domain.. i wonder why header_check get trigger before it read the whitelist..
[15:32:06] <Vamp898> ooAoo when you disable the header check, the mail goes through?
[15:34:31] <ooAoo> Vamp898: definitely ...
[15:34:59] <ooAoo> va
[15:35:30] <ooAoo> is RCPT from the same as Received: from in the header ?
[15:40:37] <Vamp898> I dont know what you mean
[15:40:43] <Vamp898> I need more context
[15:40:59] <Vamp898> ooAoo Have you tried blocking the mail via the "whitelist"
[15:41:07] <Vamp898> so turning the whitelist into an blacklist and check if it blocks the mail
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[17:16:17] <krion> o/
[17:16:28] <krion> sorry to disturb but something I don't get
[17:16:55] <krion> got mydomain.com REJECT in sender_access but I still can send mail from: <myself at mydomain dot com>
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[17:18:12] <krion> https://gpldr.in/v/lQqO7zqXu6/ZgqSh07B4qpU5UbE
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[18:17:04] <frib> Can't receive mail on my server. SMTP tests show 'Reverse DNS not a valid domain' (I have reverse DNS set up) and 'Value cannot be null. Parameter name: address'
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[18:20:35] <honestly> sounds like a broken "test"
[18:20:52] <honestly> I've made good experience with mxtoolbox
[18:22:17] <honestly> and if you're on windows and are familiar with how smtp operates, smtp console is a good tool: https://www.socketlabs.com/smtp-server-connection-diagnostics-tool/
[18:22:44] <frib> honestly, thats from mxtoolbox
[18:23:07] <frib> but maybe my reverse dns was not good just as mydomain.org and should be a fullname.mydomain.org?
[18:23:35] <frib> (I want my email to come from "domain.org", not "sub.domain.org")
[18:25:12] <frib> 454 4.7.1 <test at mxtoolboxsmtpdiag dot com>: Relay access denied [719 ms]
[18:25:12] <honestly> forward/backward dns verification is entirely unrelated to where "your email comes from", it only tests whether the mail server has sensible dns
[18:25:29] <frib> ok. got it.
[18:25:38] <frib> So is my postifx denying relay access?
[18:26:07] <honestly> it is, and it probably should be
[18:26:27] <honestly> but that is a question of your mail server policies
[18:28:07] <honestly> most personally hosted mail servers need to allow exactly two kinds of smtp transactions: emails from anywhere to addresses/mailboxes hosted on the mail server, with no authentication required, and emails from users known to the mail server to anywhere, with authentication required
[18:28:08] <frib> this is where mxtoolbox failed: LookupServer 6234ms
[18:30:23] <honestly> mxtoolbox wouldn't happen to show a whole lot of green ticks?
[18:30:32] <honestly> because that sounds like a successful test
[18:30:49] <frib> all green except for this orange one SMTP Valid Hostname
[18:30:57] <frib> Reverse DNS is not a valid Hostname
[18:31:26] <honestly> so, that means SMTP is working
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[18:31:41] <honestly> which doesn't say anything about deliverability of email originating from your server
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[18:32:32] <frib> Yeah except that's not my issue, which is that I can't receive email on my server (at least not reliably)
[18:32:47] <frib> the only email I have been able to receive so far was from test at allaboutspam dot com
[18:34:41] <honestly> we'll need a lot more information about your configuration to help you
[18:34:44] <honestly> !getting_help
[18:34:44] <knoba> honestly: before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin
[18:35:09] <frib> !relevant_logs
[18:35:09] <knoba> frib: mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility and should not be shown. Also see http://rob0.nodns4.us/postfix-logging
[18:35:58] <frib> !showconfig
[18:35:58] <knoba> frib: when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old
[18:41:54] <frib> !no_verbose
[18:41:54] <knoba> frib: do not show verbose logs unless someone asks you to. if someone does ask you to, see !verbose
[18:42:02] <frib> !verbose
[18:42:02] <knoba> frib: You probably do not need verbose logging, but in very rare cases, the extra detail might assist in debugging. To set verbose logging, add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) in master.cf, then 'postfix reload' after that
[18:44:44] <rob0> krion, seems like your paste was not viewable in lynx.
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[19:43:57] <frib> how necessary is it to set up DMARC for your domain?
[19:47:19] <rob0> I have not, but I have solid IP reputation for a lot of years. Some insist it helps, and with a new site/domain just getting started, it might.
[19:48:03] <rob0> In the early years of SPF, SPF records were a reverse sign of legitimacy: all spammer domains had SPF.
[19:48:43] <rob0> That's still true for spammer domains: you'll never see one fails SPF checks.
[19:50:11] <rob0> DKIM will help you in the long run, but not immediately, as again, spammers can do DKIM also.
[19:50:30] <rob0> BTW this dicsussion would fit better in:
[19:50:34] <rob0> !##email
[19:50:34] <knoba> rob0: ##email is a channel on freenode for general discussion of Internet mail issues, not specific to Postfix. Your question would be more appropriate there.
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[20:13:34] <krion> rob0: 30 min life link
[20:13:47] <krion> my bad
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[20:14:31] <krion> will repost tomorrow
[20:14:40] <buki> there was no info anyway
[20:14:56] <buki> just a smtpd_sender_restriction
[20:15:00] <buki> no log, no nothing
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[20:18:02] <rob0> oh. So definitely, repost with information.
[20:19:14] <buki> noone reads !getting_help :)
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[20:25:44] <frib> how can I generate mail.* syslog messages for getting help with not receiving emails on my server?
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[20:29:17] <buki> if it's rejected by postfix, you should see a message in syslog, if it's dropped before, it's not a postfix problem :)
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[20:31:33] <rob0> !nologs
[20:31:33] <knoba> rob0: Nothing in your mail logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question. also see !logs.
[20:31:48] <rob0> Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question.
[20:32:05] <rob0> Do we know what the domain is? If so I missed it.
[20:38:23] <buki> mydomain.com - I somehow doubt it's a real boi
[20:38:46] <frib> buki, I don't see anything in the logs. no/bad mx record could cause this too, right?
[20:38:58] <rob0> 18:31 < rob0> Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question.
[20:39:20] <rob0> if I am being ignored, I'll just reciprocate.
[20:41:07] <buki> oh, my bad .. "mydomain.com" was krion, frib was "domain.org" :)
[20:41:12] <frib> I didn't see your message
[20:41:18] <frib> Sorry rob0
[20:42:01] <frib> rob0, my domain is bchcoffee.org
[20:43:24] <frib> Apparently it was my MX record ... now finally receiving mail
[20:43:57] <rob0> ok, you should have just seen a connect/disconnect from shibboleet.slackbuilds.org
[20:44:40] <frib> connect from Shibboleet.slackbuilds.org
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[20:45:31] <frib> I wonder if/how soon all the mail I missed will be retried?
[20:46:18] <rob0> depends where the MX was pointed before. If pointed to a MTA which issued 5xx rejections, it's gone.
[20:46:55] <rob0> Otherwise generally within a few hours most/all should be retried.
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[20:47:29] <rob0> However some transactional mail might not be retried.
[20:49:06] <frib> I see. Thanks.
[20:49:11] <rob0> BTW in your case no MX would not have prevented mail coming in, since your MX hostname also points to the A name for the domain. Lack of MX will just fall back to A/AAAA.
[20:49:40] <frib> I believe my domain was set up to use "email forwarding" though I'm not sure what that menas
[20:50:16] <frib> I replaced that with a custom MX rule
[20:50:27] <rob0> probably means the hoster pointed MX at their own server, and that the hoster has little or no clue about managing mail :)
[20:52:19] <krion> buki: i should have respected rfc2606 and use mydomain.com
[20:52:29] <krion> but I agree, no relevant info
[20:53:58] <rob0> mydomain.com is not in 2606
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[20:56:18] <frib> thanks so much for your help guys
[20:57:45] <rob0> yw
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[21:04:21] <krion> i mean example.com...
[21:06:51] <rob0> Yep. 2606 is fine, but as you just saw here with frib, sometimes the actual domain can help in troubleshooting. Won't matter in your case, though, I suppose.
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[21:40:47] <pj> frib: the thing about setting up DMARC is, whether it helps or not, it's good to have all those boxes ticked if for no other reason than that it enables you to say you've done everything you can if you need to contact an ESP directly to resolve deliverability issues.
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[22:10:17] <frib> pj, yes I think you're right. thanks.
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