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[02:19:35] <xpoint> this is a joke
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[02:56:39] <pj> wtf, smtp_header_checks? what have you been smoking?
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[03:10:13] <xpoint> smtps :=)
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[03:14:56] <thumbs> xpoint: as a general rule, review what you are about to respond with to improve the quality of your help.
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[03:21:39] <thumbs> xpoint: if you're still ignoring me, then I hope you will stop that foolish attitude.
[03:24:24] * rob0 is still ignoring thumbs, does not know what was said!
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[10:36:52] <f3ew> Don't header_checks apply to all mail, or did I miss that change?
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[13:01:37] <n_1-c_k> f3ew, not necessarily, you can set header_checks in master.cf so as to apply to submission only or to smtpd only.
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[13:19:14] <f3ew> Right, just using a different cleanup service
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[14:27:15] <cVsup> Somebody can say how can limite access by time?
[14:27:53] <Kelsar> that does not make sense at all
[14:29:22] <Alver> cVsup: rate limiting? Plenty of publicly available information on that.
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[14:35:52] <cVsup> No, I want an account to log in only at a certain time
[14:36:24] <cVsup> 8 AM to 18PM example
[14:36:37] <Alver> ... in postfix?
[14:36:40] <cVsup> yes
[14:37:07] <cVsup> Outside these hours the user could not send emails.
[14:39:02] * Alver scratches head
[14:44:41] <survietamine> I did that in dovecot
[14:44:53] <survietamine> but it's offtopic here
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[14:56:01] <Alver> cVsup: I wouldn't try to solve that in postfix, I think.
[14:56:24] <Alver> Scheduled mass lockout of accounts could be a solution, but then more than just mail is likely to be impacted
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[15:10:10] <misterunknown> cVsup: I would write a simple perl script as an policy server.
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[15:10:57] <misterunknown> s/server/service
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[15:13:11] <Thom1> hi, some days ago, I asked about to build postfix against external openssl. I found a way, very simple way and it works great. I just use : make makefiles CCARGS="-DUSE_TLS -I/usr/include/openssl-1.1" AUXLIBS="-L/usr/lib64/openssl-1.1 -lssl -lcrypto"
[15:14:48] <Alver> Thom1: and you were warned extensively that running software out of the package management system is dangerous, and will make your system difficult to maintain, insecure and less stable. But whatever floats your boat.
[15:17:54] <Thom1> Alver, I know, you told me, I know very well my OS and package management. I customize packages since many years without issues.
[15:18:41] <Thom1> thanks anyway for the advice :)
[15:18:44] <Alver> I hope you have a fully automated build- and test chain too.
[15:18:49] <Alver> But it's a start at least.
[15:18:58] <Thom1> I had everything I need :)
[15:23:32] * xpoint makes more Coffee to rob0 😅
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[16:11:09] <f3ew> cVsup: have you thought about using a policy server?
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[18:51:58] <pj> Alver: while your warning is appropriate, it is not off-topic here to ask for help building postfix.
[19:01:15] <pj> Thom1: That's actually clearly documented in TLS_README, btw.
[19:02:41] <Thom1> pj, yes, that's was the doc I use :)
[19:02:48] <Thom1> I didn't see the first time
[19:02:57] <Thom1> I had to go, bye and thanks !
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[19:15:40] <pj> cVsup: you don't even need a policy server. If you're using an SQL db you can write an sql query that returns a response based on the time of day and use that as an access restriction.
[19:16:14] <pj> but certainly my first goto response ont hat would be a policy server.
[19:17:43] <pj> the sql idea would be especially useful if you're storing your users in an sql db and you want to keep per-user time restrictions stored in the same table.
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[20:07:52] <ih8wndz> any idea why outlook replaces helo name with netbios name?
[20:09:52] <pj> ih8wndz: you would have to ask in a channel for outlook.
[20:10:05] <lunaphyte> ih8wndz: you could ask in ##email, where it would be arguably on topic. maybe
[20:10:34] <pj> right, it would be on topic there, although you will still probably not get an answer.
[20:10:50] <lunaphyte> well, not a useful one :p
[20:10:55] <ih8wndz> I found the answer
[20:11:02] <ih8wndz> freekin microsoft
[20:12:07] <pj> ih8wndz: why is this causing problems for you? the connection from an MUA should be authenticated anyways so the HELO shouldn't really matter.
[20:12:34] <lunaphyte> yeah. i'd say that doing pretty much anything based on helo isn't likely to be wise, period
[20:12:43] <lunaphyte> [yes, there can be "exceptions"]
[20:12:57] <ih8wndz> so I tried applying reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname to helo_restrictions. but in order to make this on outlook you have to change "Primary DNS suffix on this conmputer"
[20:13:20] <lunaphyte> ih8wndz: you used reject_non_fqdn_helo_hostname with your submission service?
[20:13:27] <lunaphyte> why?
[20:13:29] <rob0> ^^ you really should not
[20:13:32] <lunaphyte> it's just not worth anything there
[20:13:38] <ih8wndz> no, main.cf
[20:13:44] <lunaphyte> why?
[20:14:07] <rob0> It's useful on port 25, but as you found, harmful on submission[s].
[20:14:09] <lunaphyte> also that would mean you don't have your submission service configured correctly
[20:14:11] <ih8wndz> didn't realize there were hosts that didn't use fqdn
[20:14:25] <lunaphyte> there are many, yes
[20:15:28] <ih8wndz> so many moving parts in email :'(
[20:15:57] <pj> if you're properly authenticating submission than you already have a much stronger indicator than checking the HELO ever would be.
[20:16:00] <lunaphyte> we have a number of factoids to that point :)
[20:16:00] <ih8wndz> is reject_invalid_helo_hostname ok
[20:16:05] <rob0> You should have completely separate submission and inbound (MX) streams.
[20:16:22] <lunaphyte> !tell ih8wndz !warn_if_reject
[20:16:22] <knoba> lunaphyte: Error: No factoid matches that key.
[20:16:26] <lunaphyte> oopsies
[20:16:29] <lunaphyte> !tell ih8wndz warn_if_reject
[20:16:29] <knoba> ih8wndz: a parameter that means: Change the meaning of the next restriction, so that it logs a warning instead of rejecting a request (look for logfile records that contain "reject_warning"). This is useful for testing new restrictions in a "live" environment without risking unnecessary loss of mail.
[20:16:35] <rob0> reject_invalid_helo_hostname is fine on 25. It is very bad on submission.
[20:16:39] <lunaphyte> !simple
[20:16:39] <knoba> lunaphyte: I do not know about 'simple', but I do know about these similar topics: 'sieve'
[20:16:42] <lunaphyte> err
[20:16:44] <lunaphyte> !easy
[20:16:44] <knoba> lunaphyte: unfortunately, because there are some folks who invest the time and effort to understand things, it makes emailing very easy for lots of other people, which seems to foster the notion that it couldn't possibly be any more complex than clicking send. this, of course, is not the case. as with most things, you get what you put in. also see !maintain
[20:16:49] <lunaphyte> that's the one :)
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[20:19:11] <ih8wndz> tnx guys
[20:20:02] <rob0> While your smtpd_recipient_restrictions override can work, note that the "new" way to control relaying (since Postfix 2.10, which is far from new, it's past EOL in fact) is
[20:20:14] <rob0> !smtpd_relay_restrictions
[20:20:14] <knoba> rob0: Restrictions to control relaying, implemented in Postfix 2.10. Prior to 2.10 smtpd_recipient_restrictions included this functionality. See !access and http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_relay_restrictions
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[20:22:36] <pj> I'd rather just unset that and use smtpd_recipient_restrictions anyways. If you properly separate submission from mx then that's not an issue.
[20:24:56] <ih8wndz> rob0: it's been a little bit since I looked at your guide, tnx
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[20:27:02] <pj> ok, I'm off
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