March 29, 2019 
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seconds)[08:45:56] *** shalle <shalle!~pekka@unaffiliated/shalle> has joined #postfix[08:47:04] <shalle> !relevant_logs[08:47:04] <knoba> shalle: "relevant_logs" : mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility and should not be shown. Also see http://rob0.nodns4.us/postfix-logging[09:02:05] *** r0kc4t <r0kc4t!~frosch@felderundfiguren.de> has joined #postfix[09:08:14] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@77.59.212.138> has joined #postfix[09:08:46] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[09:15:53] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[09:20:47] *** yosafbridge <yosafbridge!~yosafbrid@68.ip-149-56-14.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[09:26:43] *** random_yanek <random_yanek!~random_ya@host-89-230-166-106.dynamic.mm.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[09:30:02] *** yosafbridge <yosafbridge!~yosafbrid@68.ip-149-56-14.net> has joined #postfix[09:37:31] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[09:41:30] *** jback <jback!~jasper@shell.jhq.io> has joined #postfix[09:43:05] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[09:43:48] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[09:43:48] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[09:52:42] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[10:02:57] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[10:20:18] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[10:21:24] <dym> Hey all! I have an odd problem: When generating an email with a pdf attachment this sometimes is not parsed correctly by some recipients. When downloading the plain message an opening in a code editor, the attachment is visible (code wise). What could cause this?[10:23:10] <Alver> dym: not a postfix issue, likely; do you have some messages that work in client X but not client Y, and some that work in both?[10:49:24] *** random_yanek <random_yanek!~random_ya@host-89-230-171-29.dynamic.mm.pl> has joined #postfix[10:49:24] *** random_yanek <random_yanek!~random_ya@host-89-230-171-29.dynamic.mm.pl> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[10:50:52] *** random_yanek <random_yanek!~random_ya@host-89-230-171-29.dynamic.mm.pl> has joined #postfix[10:53:50] <dym> Alver: Im aware that this is not a postfix issue, but seen as there is no general "mail" channek, i thought i'd try here. Some providers dont seem to show the pdf attachment at all.[10:54:58] <damyan^> Hi guys. I have a somehow stupid question: does message_size_limit=0 really mean "no limit"? I am experiencing "foo exceeds message size limit" with the option set to 0[10:57:31] *** terp <terp!~terp@77.68.214.134> has joined #postfix[10:58:02] <Alver> dym: there's #email, I think[11:11:07] <tuxick> yup[11:11:32] <tuxick> uhm[11:12:02] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[11:15:18] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:15:28] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[11:22:58] <survietamine> damyan^: I cannot find where it's stated that 0 = unlimited[11:23:12] <survietamine> could you provide the documentation's snippet?[11:25:54] <survietamine> maybe it's general behaviour[11:36:53] <damyan^> well, I guess I must have copied it from mailbox_size_limit[11:39:28] *** gislaved <gislaved!b9e814cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.232.20.204> has joined #postfix[11:40:53] <damyan^> so, I set it to $SOME_BIG_VALUE, should be fine now. thank you![11:47:24] *** gislaved <gislaved!b9e814cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.232.20.204> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[11:48:24] *** Serus <Serus!~Serus@unaffiliated/serus> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[11:53:03] *** gislaved <gislaved!b9e814cc@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.185.232.20.204> has joined #postfix[11:53:33] *** Serus <Serus!~Serus@unaffiliated/serus> has joined #postfix[11:56:34] <tuxick> according to the law of stupid some user will manage to nuke your server with such setting[11:56:47] *** nafur <nafur!~nafur@ths.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> has joined #postfix[12:01:13] <gislaved> tuxick I miossed the setting... what kind of ?[12:01:16] <gislaved> *missed[12:01:57] *** ddBz <ddBz!~gary@cpe-67-246-27-81.nycap.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[12:04:18] *** nafur <nafur!~nafur@ths.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:05:12] *** nafur <nafur!~nafur@ths.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> has joined #postfix[12:05:38] <damyan^> well, not *that* big :)[12:06:15] *** nafur <nafur!~nafur@ths.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[12:06:27] *** nafur <nafur!~nafur@ths.informatik.rwth-aachen.de> has joined #postfix[12:06:36] <nafur> Hi all. I'm trying to setup postfix with LDAP within docker. To be upfront: this is my first (real) experience with postfix...[12:07:31] <nafur> Now when I try to send a test mail I get this error: "warning: dict_ldap_connect: Unable to bind to server ldap://ldap:389 with dn <my login dn> -1 (Can't contact LDAP server)"[12:07:51] <tuxick> gislaved: i meant damyan^ allowing huge mails[12:08:07] <nafur> However, when I try to do the very same thing with postmap it work and the log output looks exactly the same.[12:08:08] <gislaved> tuxick what is huge ? are you still living in 2005 ?[12:08:37] <nafur> In what ways could postfix/postmap behave differently than postfix/smtpd and how can I debug/fix this?[12:08:57] <tuxick> gislaved: where to draw the line? 100M? 1T?[12:09:05] <tuxick> users WILL mess up[12:09:26] <gislaved> tuxick 100M ? that's no issue these days, if so... undust your systems and upgrade your environments :)[12:09:42] <tuxick> yeah love it[12:10:17] <tuxick> and when the proverbial poo hits the aircirculator they wonder why it takes a day to restore backups[12:10:41] <tuxick> been there[12:10:56] <gislaved> tuxick backups ? hence... I get the feeling your are maintaining very old systems[12:12:50] <damyan^> I set it to 100MB, actually[12:13:44] <gislaved> damyan^ which is perfectly fine[12:28:29] *** souther <souther!~souther@2605:6400:1:fed5:22:1ac:61c0:e24e> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[12:29:23] *** souther <souther!~souther@2605:6400:1:fed5:22:1ac:61c0:e24e> has joined #postfix[12:45:11] *** section1 <section1!~section1@178.33.109.106> has joined #postfix[12:49:34] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[12:51:45] <nafur> !relevant_logs[12:51:45] <knoba> nafur: "relevant_logs" : mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility and should not be shown. Also see http://rob0.nodns4.us/postfix-logging[12:54:11] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:55:29] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[12:57:39] <nafur> Here are the relevant parts of the log: https://pastebin.com/1Cs0Jz5w[13:00:50] <tuxick> gislaved: you don't do backups?[13:00:52] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[13:01:14] *** higuita <higuita!~higuita@2001:818:dee9:4200:ec72:50ff:fe96:f291> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[13:15:46] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[13:17:29] *** higuita <higuita!~higuita@2001:818:dee9:4200:ec72:50ff:fe96:f291> has joined #postfix[13:21:00] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[13:34:27] <n_1-c_k> dym, Alver, it's ##email[13:51:55] <tuxick> email is do last millennium[13:52:41] <tuxick> it's 3 separate worlds now: gmail, hotmail and the ancients[13:53:18] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[13:53:33] <tuxick> most use whatsapp or instagram anyway[13:56:21] *** chachasmooth_ <chachasmooth_!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[13:56:54] <gislaved> tuxick depends on what service, I mix snapshots/backups or slave archives that never delete[13:58:11] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[14:01:18] *** thom <thom!xD@ring0.se> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[14:01:23] <tuxick> customers tend to want everything with minimum hardware :)[14:01:57] *** thom <thom!xD@ring0.se> has joined #postfix[14:02:31] <tuxick> preferably for free[14:03:15] *** KaiForce <KaiForce!~chatzilla@99.133.184.129> has joined #postfix[14:04:49] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@191.36.239.241> has joined #postfix[14:06:29] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-188-174-134-137.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[14:10:02] <foxxx0> hey o/ quick question: are we going to see a patch release for postfix 3.4 that will include the fix for the ltmp unix socket caching issue on the ML? asking because I'm wondering whether that patch is suitable for downstream packaging? :)[14:11:02] <lunaphyte> um[14:11:24] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[14:11:31] <lunaphyte> hopefully if you're packaging postfix, you're subscribed to the mailing list?[14:12:14] <foxxx0> i'm not the packager but subscribed anyway. but I'm wondering whether i should poke the maintainer to include the patch in the package.[14:12:32] <foxxx0> if there is going to be a patch(ed) release soon-ish, i don't see it beig worth the hassle[14:12:38] <foxxx0> being*[14:12:48] <lunaphyte> i'm confused[14:12:57] <lunaphyte> there is not a patch released?[14:13:08] <foxxx0> not that i'm aware of, no[14:13:14] <lunaphyte> did you just subscribe this morning?[14:13:17] <foxxx0> the proposed patch on the ML was only briefly tested today[14:13:35] <lunaphyte> oh, you're saying "officially" released[14:13:53] <foxxx0> yes[14:13:57] <lunaphyte> i see[14:14:08] <foxxx0> i apologize if i caused some confusion with my wording :S[14:14:20] <lunaphyte> no worries, all good[14:14:57] <foxxx0> tl;dr: will postfix 3.4.5 be released soon-ish and will it contain the patch for said issue? :)[14:15:41] <lunaphyte> yeah[14:15:52] <lunaphyte> you'd probably want to ask that question on the ml[14:16:50] <foxxx0> hey no pressure. the workaround by disabling the cache is already mentioned on the ML so I'm fine with waiting a couple more days to see what happens[14:18:53] <foxxx0> i'm not even affected by it as it seems[14:19:49] <nafur> Hi, any ideas concerning the connection-to-ldap-thing? -> https://pastebin.com/1Cs0Jz5w[14:20:01] <foxxx0> highest delay was 1s and that only affected 3 out of 613 mails today thus far. the rest have delays well under 100ms[14:20:42] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-128-59.satx.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[14:20:53] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.static.allophone.net> has joined #postfix[14:22:36] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has joined #postfix[14:24:25] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~diemuzi@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has joined #postfix[14:28:13] <lunaphyte> nafur: what's your question?[14:29:00] <nafur> I'm trying to use ldap as backend for postfix. It works fine when I test with postmap (connects to ldap and returns what I would expect) but "postfix itself" fails to connect to the ldap server.[14:29:19] <lunaphyte> ok[14:29:25] <nafur> As far as I can tell from the logs (https://pastebin.com/1Cs0Jz5w) they try to do the exact same thing... and I'm running out of ideas[14:29:27] <lunaphyte> !tell nafur getting_help[14:29:27] <knoba> nafur: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[14:30:19] <nafur> !showconfig[14:30:19] <knoba> nafur: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[14:31:38] <nafur> Here is the config: https://pastebin.com/a4ENK1mB[14:34:24] <nafur> And in case you insist on a combined pastebin: Here are the relevant parts of the logs and the config combined: https://pastebin.com/QNg5Xhzw[14:36:40] <lunaphyte> you have a lot of services chrooted[14:36:49] <lunaphyte> have you done that deliberately?[14:38:14] <nafur> I *think* that this is how it comes with buster... I essentially took a docker container with debian:buster-slim, installed postfix and postfix-ldap, copied the config from there and started to make changes. I didn't get to that part of the config yet...[14:39:10] <lunaphyte> oh[14:39:16] <lunaphyte> well, i'd changed that if it were me[14:39:19] <lunaphyte> *change[14:40:06] <nafur> I might do that at some point, if there is some reason to do so :-) do you think it could possibly a reason for my problem?[14:40:31] <lunaphyte> isn't that what we're discussing? troubleshooting your symptom?[14:41:41] <nafur> yes, sure. tbh I'm complety confused by my problem and I have no idea what could be relevant here. you think taking smtpd out of chroot could help?[14:42:55] *** Blubberbop <Blubberbop!~quassel@mail.capmega.com> has joined #postfix[14:46:59] <nafur> wth? thank you very much, taking it out of the chroot fixed this. I though chroot would only limit filesystem access... how would it prohibit network connections?[14:47:41] <lunaphyte> put the chroot back, replace your hostname with an ip address, and that might become clear :)[14:48:10] <lunaphyte> iow, what makes you think it's prohibiting network connections? ;)[14:49:33] <nafur> Well it apparently reads the same config as it initiates an ldap connection to the correct host. The connection is to ldap://ldap:389 which very much looks like a network connection to me. also I know that ldap is a host that it can only reach via some (albeit internal) network...[14:50:26] <nafur> A wait. are you telling me that dns resolution does not work from chroot because... it talks to the resolver through a unix socket? (or something along these lines)[14:53:13] <nafur> Interesting. so it can't resolve because it can't read the resolv.conf. I was not aware of this... thank you![14:54:37] <tuxick> the joys of chrooting services[14:59:46] <lunaphyte> right. the key is to remember that "Can't contact LDAP server" is ultimately a generic error message[14:59:55] <lunaphyte> i think a lot of times people forget that[15:00:59] <lunaphyte> not specific to ldap, either. these are just generic messages that get logged, saying that something in the overall process of performing this action went wrong, and therefore the goal ["connecting"] was not achieved[15:01:20] <lunaphyte> in this case, the hostname could not be resolved, because there was no resolver to contact[15:02:19] <lunaphyte> [because the resolver config was unreadable/absent][15:02:24] <nafur> yes, my confusion mostly stemmed from the fact that I run out of ideas why postmap and smtpd behave differently. I didn't think of the chroot (and wouldn't have realized it mattered)... I've just put that on my "important lessons learned" list...[15:02:51] <lunaphyte> there's a reason the default value for the chroot field was changed from y to n :)[15:03:00] <nafur> now forward to the next error message :)[15:03:30] <lunaphyte> chrooting just doesn't have the same degree of practical application today that it had in the past[15:25:58] *** funkytwig <funkytwig!~funkytwig@195.242.213.115> has joined #postfix[15:28:12] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-128-59.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[15:28:32] <funkytwig> Hi, having a problem with 'mail for domain.tld loops back to myself'. found a solution involving main.cf config[15:28:49] <rob0> !loopback[15:28:49] <knoba> rob0: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains[15:29:21] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-128-59.satx.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[15:29:57] <funkytwig> it is 'mydestination = localhost.$mydomain, localhost, mail.example.com', so do we need to set up mail subdomain for the main server domain[15:30:25] *** selea <selea!~selea@gatekeeper01.ports.se> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:31:14] <rob0> I can't tell you what you need, but if you are planning to accept mail for a certain domain, you must list it in one of your address classes, such as mydestination.[15:32:23] <funkytwig> Yes, 'to=<root at server213-171-204-107 dot live-servers.net>' so do I need mail.to=<root at server213-171-204-107 dot live-servers.net>[15:32:45] <funkytwig> sorry mail.server213-171-204-107.live-servers.net[15:32:52] <rob0> why are you sending mail to that address? Perhaps there is a better fix?[15:33:12] <rob0> !myorigin[15:33:13] <knoba> rob0: "myorigin" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default domain name that locally-posted mail appears to come from, and that locally posted mail is delivered to. The default $myhostname, which is fine for small sites. If you run a domain with multiple machines, you should (1) change this to $mydomain and (2) set up a domain-wide alias database that aliases each user to user at that dot users.mailhost.[15:33:59] <rob0> bah, that factoid sucks[15:34:14] <funkytwig> Its just a single server[15:34:25] <rob0> !forget myorigin[15:34:32] <funkytwig> but multiple virtual hosts[15:36:15] <funkytwig> https://gist.github.com/ben-tvpp/b6de03801fb680173a175c97f64ec456[15:36:47] <rob0> !learn myorigin as The default domain name that locally-posted mail [with no @domain on the sender address] gets for sender domain, and that arriving mail for <localpart-only> is delivered to.[15:36:47] <knoba> rob0: Error: "with" is not a valid command.[15:36:55] <rob0> !forget myorigin[15:36:55] <knoba> rob0: Error: There is no such factoid.[15:37:15] <rob0> !learn myorigin as The default domain name that locally-posted mail [with no @domain on the sender address] gets for sender domain, and that arriving mail for <localpart-only> is delivered to. See also !append_at_myorigin[15:37:15] <knoba> rob0: Error: "with" is not a valid command.[15:37:33] <tuxick> ??[15:38:12] <funkytwig> rob0, so most of our email addresses are tvpp.tv so that should be myorigin?[15:38:20] <rob0> !forget myorigin[15:38:20] <knoba> rob0: Error: There is no such factoid.[15:38:48] *** i1nfusion <i1nfusion!~i1nfusion@46.101.134.251> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:38:52] <rob0> !learn myorigin as The default domain name that locally-posted mail (with no @domain on the sender address) gets for sender domain, and that arriving mail for <localpart-only> is delivered to. See also !append_at_myorigin[15:38:58] <rob0> !myorigin[15:38:58] <knoba> rob0: "myorigin" : The default domain name that locally-posted mail (with no @domain on the sender address) gets for sender domain, and that arriving mail for <localpart-only> is delivered to. See also !append_at_myorigin[15:39:13] <rob0> seems that [] is magic[15:39:35] <rob0> 14:32 < rob0> why are you sending mail to that address? Perhaps there is a better fix?[15:40:06] <funkytwig> sorry, not used IRC a lot, what does it mean when ! is put in front[15:40:31] <rob0> !knoba[15:40:31] <knoba> rob0: "knoba" : (#1) an informational bot in this channel (see http://workaround.org/f=postfix), or (#2) To /msg the bot and get a factoid: /msg knoba whatis #postfix <factoid_name>[15:40:55] <rob0> The bot helps me answer FAQs.[15:41:03] <funkytwig> rob0, yes, we are sending emails from our server to ourselves so some of them will be sent to @tvpp.tv[15:41:49] <rob0> 'to=<root at server213-171-204-107 dot live-servers.net>' WHY are you sending to that address?[15:42:36] <funkytwig> think that was a error report being sent to root, hostname gives server213-171-204-107.live-servers.net[15:42:54] <funkytwig> log segment at https://gist.github.com/ben-tvpp/b6de03801fb680173a175c97f64ec456[15:43:32] <rob0> !tell funkytwig myorigin[15:43:32] <knoba> funkytwig: "myorigin" : The default domain name that locally-posted mail (with no @domain on the sender address) gets for sender domain, and that arriving mail for <localpart-only> is delivered to. See also !append_at_myorigin[15:43:54] <rob0> You are the reason why I brought up that factoid in the first place.[15:44:36] <rob0> Set myorigin to a valid Internet mail domain.[15:45:08] <funkytwig> knoba, yes, ime trying to work out what to set "myorigin" to.[15:45:22] <rob0> default is $myhostname, and while you're at it, server213-171-204-107.live-servers.net is not a very good hostname.[15:45:36] <rob0> knoba is a BOT and cannot answer you.[15:45:51] <funkytwig> also should myhostname be set to hostname, i.e. server213-171-204-107.live-servers.net[15:46:11] <funkytwig> myorigin seems to be set to that later in main.cf[15:47:04] <rob0> From lots of years of experience with email, I can tell you that a hostname with the IP address in it is likely to hit a LOT of spam checks.[15:47:22] <rob0> !fcrdns[15:47:22] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : your IP address should resolve to $myhostname, which in turn should resolve back to your IP. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost[15:47:25] <funkytwig> rob0, I know, its a crap hostname but there is someone who will throw all there toys out of the pram if I change it and cant contat them now[15:48:04] <rob0> ok, expect delivery problems until it's fixed[15:49:35] <funkytwig> rob0, yes, reverse DNS, VERRY important, I have been trying to stress this to my boss! but I dont have control of this.[15:50:47] <funkytwig> sorry to be a pain but will seting 'myhostname = server213-171-204-107.live-servers.net' and as a result myorigin being set to it fix this (and open us to a lot of spam, I know)[15:52:20] <rob0> 14:31 < rob0> I can't tell you what you need, but if you are planning to accept mail for a certain domain, you must list it in one of your address classes, such as mydestination.[15:52:48] <rob0> If you want to get mail to server213-171-204-107.live-servers.net ^^ it must be in one of your address class definitions.[15:52:52] *** selea <selea!~selea@gatekeeper01.ports.se> has joined #postfix[15:53:01] <rob0> such as mydestination[15:54:07] <rob0> If you do NOT want to use addresses at server213-171-204-107 dot live-servers.net you must change myorigin.[15:56:37] <nafur> Okay, I think I need some insight about "how this is meant to work". I want a setup with several domains, so I'm trying to setup everything via the virtual_X stuff (even $mydomain). So I just noticed the hint to *NEVER* put $mydomain in mydestination and in the virtual table... so I removed it from there and only have this domain in the virtual_X maps.[15:58:02] <rob0> !address_classes[15:58:02] <knoba> rob0: "address_classes" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html describes how Postfix deals with different classes of addresses: local, relay, virtual alias, virtual mailbox, and Internet.[15:58:20] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:58:41] <rob0> nafur, there are four address class definitions, as per the factoid.[15:59:02] <funkytwig> rob0, we are not accepting mail, just sending stiff[15:59:13] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[15:59:30] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-188-174-134-137.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:59:42] <nafur> Okay, I want virtual mailbox domain.[16:00:16] <rob0> "the hint to *NEVER* put $mydomain in mydestination"?[16:00:30] <rob0> I don't recall such a hint in the documentation.[16:01:48] <rob0> okay, that says something different, see?[16:02:05] <nafur> And I need $mydomain to be a virtual mailbox domain if I want to have xyz@$mydomain where xyz does not have a unix account... ?[16:02:11] *** i1nfusion <i1nfusion!~i1nfusion@46.101.134.251> has joined #postfix[16:02:20] <rob0> nothing about putting $mydomain in mydestination[16:03:13] <nafur> I guess I want $mydomain to be a virtual mailbox domain... correct? If so, it tells me to not list it as a mydestination domain... correct?[16:04:06] <rob0> I don't know what you want, but indeed, any given domain must be in no more than ONE address class definition.[16:05:29] <nafur> I want to have $mydomain with mail accounts xyz@$mydomain where xyz is not a unix account but has a mailbox on my machine. My understanding is that this implies $mydomain being a virtual mailbox domain.[16:06:43] <rob0> BTW check your fixation on mydomain: it's not really used for that much, mostly a bunch of default settings.[16:06:50] <rob0> !mydomain[16:06:50] <knoba> rob0: "mydomain" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The internet domain name of this mail system. The default is to use $myhostname minus the first component. $mydomain is used as a default value for many other configuration parameters.[16:07:15] <rob0> wouldn't hurt to also review:[16:07:18] <rob0> !basic[16:07:20] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[16:08:17] *** i1nfusion1 <i1nfusion1!~i1nfusion@207.154.217.17> has joined #postfix[16:09:36] <nafur> okay, replace $mydomain by domain where I consider domain to be a canonical or a hosted domain.[16:16:18] *** i1nfusion1 <i1nfusion1!~i1nfusion@207.154.217.17> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:24:27] *** ovrstorm <ovrstorm!~ovrstorm@air.raid.io> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[16:24:27] *** ced117 <ced117!~ced117@opensuse/member/ced117> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[16:24:36] *** ovrstorm <ovrstorm!~ovrstorm@air.raid.io> has joined #postfix[16:24:46] *** jelly <jelly!jelly@pdpc/supporter/active/jelly> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[16:25:36] *** ced117 <ced117!~ced117@opensuse/member/ced117> has joined #postfix[16:27:52] *** jelly <jelly!jelly@pdpc/supporter/active/jelly> has joined #postfix[16:30:31] *** grawity <grawity!grawity@sky.nullroute.eu.org> has left #postfix[16:49:00] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[16:59:36] *** hexagoxel <hexagoxel!~hexagoxel@hexagoxel.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[17:09:17] *** chowbok <chowbok!~chowbok@207.181.255.76> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:10:32] *** chowbok <chowbok!~chowbok@207.181.255.76> has joined #postfix[17:11:52] *** hexagoxel <hexagoxel!~hexagoxel@hexagoxel.de> has joined #postfix[17:30:10] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-128-59.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[17:34:02] *** i1nfusion1 <i1nfusion1!~i1nfusion@207.154.217.17> has joined #postfix[18:13:36] *** Blubberbop <Blubberbop!~quassel@mail.capmega.com> has quit IRC (Changing host)[18:13:36] *** Blubberbop <Blubberbop!~quassel@unaffiliated/phoenixz> has joined #postfix[18:13:41] *** Blubberbop is now known as phoenixz[18:22:21] *** gugeswe <gugeswe!~AdminUser@h-126-104.A357.priv.bahnhof.se> has joined #postfix[18:26:33] *** Elisha <Elisha!~elisha@188-230-142-97.dynamic.t-2.net> has joined #postfix[18:33:17] <gugeswe> I'm following this guide: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Virtual_user_mail_system_with_Postfix,_Dovecot_and_Roundcube and I'm a bit confused regarding the mail accounts. For the command "GRANT ALL ON postfix_db.* [...]", if I want the mail account info at mydomain dot tld, and the mail account johndoe at mydomain dot tld, do these accounts have to exist as users on the system?[18:36:06] <lunaphyte> i guess that depends on what "a user on the system" actually means[18:36:24] <rob0> !virtual[18:36:24] <knoba> rob0: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and mailboxes that do not require individual system accounts. See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html[18:37:09] <lunaphyte> if postfix is to accept mail addressed to a given email address, it must have awareness of that address, in some capacity[18:37:17] <lunaphyte> there are countless ways to accomplish that[18:38:56] <rob0> I'm not impressed with most of the HOWTOs I have seen. I also don't get the appeal of virtual mailboxes when just starting out. Sure, they have their place (I run a few VM domains myself), but local(8) (system user) delivery is sure nice and easy to start out with.[18:45:05] <lunaphyte> howtos are not for beginners. they're unequipped to defend themselves against the harmful elements that experienced people can identify and avoid[18:49:52] *** gugeswe <gugeswe!~AdminUser@h-126-104.A357.priv.bahnhof.se> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[18:50:09] <tuxick> howto avoid tutorials[18:50:45] <tuxick> a bit unfair though, some are really helpful[18:51:04] <tuxick> but in case of postfix, dunno[18:52:48] <rob0> A good howto will explain what is being done, as opposed to "do this OS command, then this one, then copy this into your main.cf"[18:57:31] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@77.59.212.138> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[19:03:24] <lunaphyte> i agree howtos and tutorials can be helpful[19:03:32] <lunaphyte> for experience people. not beginners[19:16:55] *** gugeswe 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