March 26, 2019 
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Anywhere.)[22:31:20] *** phoenixz <phoenixz!~quassel@unaffiliated/phoenixz> has joined #postfix[22:33:18] *** jwhitmore <jwhitmore!~jwhitmore@2a02:8084:4e61:6700:793b:752d:f59c:98d9> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:34:43] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robson@177.42.37.124> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[22:38:51] <zerocool> hey i just found where an email came in from outside on port 25 using our domain... it's spam, it's the only address in the from field, what normally prevents this?[22:39:39] <zerocool> i mean... spf should at least...[22:40:00] <zerocool> i mean it should at least have increased the spam score[22:41:46] <lunaphyte> did it not increase the score?[22:42:15] <lunaphyte> normally, it's not ultimately safe to judge mail solely on that criteria[22:42:28] <lunaphyte> there will be false positives[22:44:03] <zerocool> lunaphyte: no it didn't have any SPF info, which is weird on it's own, looking into that[22:47:03] <rob0> what does "no SPF info" mean? Do you mean that you did not publish a SPF record? And then why is that weird?[22:48:17] <lunaphyte> i thought it was in reference to the spam score[22:48:47] <rob0> also, "from field" is ambiguous, is that the From: header or the envelope sender address?[22:50:48] <rob0> It's not unusual to do a domain lookup (same as your address class domains) in check_sender_access on port 25, and reject those. This forces your users to use submission[s].[22:50:56] <rob0> !check_sender_access[22:50:57] <knoba> rob0: "check_sender_access" : Search the specified access(5) database for the MAIL FROM address, domain, parent domains, or localpart@, and execute the corresponding action.[22:51:09] <rob0> !access[22:51:09] <knoba> rob0: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.[22:51:50] *** thansen <thansen!~thansen@mx.thansen.me> has quit IRC (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds))[22:52:21] *** thansen <thansen!~thansen@mx.thansen.me> has joined #postfix[22:52:27] <lunaphyte> that could have false positives[22:52:45] <lunaphyte> i'm not saying i wouldn't do it, but i might give it some serious thought first[22:53:29] <rob0> I would definitely notify all users before doing it.[22:54:13] <lunaphyte> oh, i was talking about other collateral damage[22:54:17] <lunaphyte> stuff not from users[22:54:40] <lunaphyte> although my opinion on that matter maybe be shifting a bit these days[22:54:55] <zerocool> rob0: well we did but yeah it seemed like there was no SPF so i checked from this gateway and... yeah that's what it is, this gateway is looking to a DNS server that doesn't have these records x_x[22:55:09] <zerocool> solved that mystery[22:55:15] <rob0> how would it not have those records?[22:55:15] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@37.169.190.131> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:55:16] <lunaphyte> how would there be a dns server that doesn't have that records?[22:55:31] <lunaphyte> that's not good. it means something is not being done right with dns, most likely[22:55:40] <lunaphyte> *have those[22:56:34] <zerocool> rob0: inside zone doesn't have those records <img src='shrug.emoji'>[22:56:49] <rob0> oh, a view[22:56:51] <zerocool> i didn't build this place i just fix it[22:59:07] <lunaphyte> that's my job description too[22:59:12] <lunaphyte> digital janitor[22:59:38] <zerocool> :([22:59:59] <zerocool> long live the janitors[23:11:28] *** ddBz <ddBz!~gary@cpe-67-246-27-81.nycap.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[23:15:46] *** ddBz <ddBz!~gary@cpe-67-246-27-81.nycap.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[23:17:14] *** jwhitmore <jwhitmore!~jwhitmore@2a02:8084:4e61:6700:793b:752d:f59c:98d9> has joined #postfix[23:17:33] *** jwhitmore <jwhitmore!~jwhitmore@2a02:8084:4e61:6700:793b:752d:f59c:98d9> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:18:44] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.static.allophone.net> has joined #postfix[23:21:27] *** chkbsd <chkbsd!~ucio@unaffiliated/ucio> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:24:58] *** chkbsd <chkbsd!~ucio@bla.mode42.one> has joined #postfix[23:24:58] *** chkbsd <chkbsd!~ucio@bla.mode42.one> has quit IRC (Changing host)[23:24:58] *** chkbsd <chkbsd!~ucio@unaffiliated/ucio> has joined #postfix[23:44:20] *** Elisha <Elisha!~elisha@188-230-142-97.dynamic.t-2.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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