March 25, 2019 
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#postfix[06:55:50] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@45-251-16-190.fibertel.com.ar> has joined #postfix[07:01:23] *** jalalsfs_ <jalalsfs_!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has joined #postfix[07:01:43] *** jalalsfs <jalalsfs!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[07:17:16] *** riv <riv!~matt@blaze.carterfamily.net.au> has joined #postfix[07:23:12] <riv> hi all, bit of a left field one, anyone using postfix BDAT with unlimited message size? i have message_size_limit = 0 but i'm seeing lines like arning: B0533A0170: BDAT request from omp.newsletters.trendmicro.com[12.130.136.122] exceeds message size limit ...[07:24:04] <riv> i dont seem to be finding the knob to tweak that so for now i have just set smtpd_discard_ehlo_keywords = chunking, silent_discard although "silent_discard" is somewhat debatable as it logs 'discarding EHLO keywords: CHUNKING' against every EHLO but thats neither here nor there i guess.[07:24:18] <riv> any pointers appreciated..[07:24:34] <riv> from what i've read disabling BDAT seems to be the safer path[07:35:39] *** Bebef <Bebef!sbreit@phobos.bebef.de> has joined #postfix[08:12:03] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[08:13:07] *** jalalsfs_ <jalalsfs_!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[08:13:27] *** jalalsfs <jalalsfs!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has joined #postfix[08:13:50] *** jalalsfs <jalalsfs!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:21:51] *** jalalsfs <jalalsfs!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has joined #postfix[08:37:28] *** nailyk <nailyk!~nailyk@carbonfusion/co-admin/nailyk> has joined #postfix[08:48:19] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has joined #postfix[08:54:13] *** Serus <Serus!~Serus@unaffiliated/serus> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[08:54:19] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[08:57:57] *** Serus <Serus!~Serus@unaffiliated/serus> has joined #postfix[09:08:04] *** tenaglia <tenaglia!~jack@pb-d-128-141-210-133.cern.ch> has joined #postfix[09:10:15] *** Riviera- <Riviera-!Riviera@2a03:b0c0:1:d0::10:b001> has joined #postfix[09:13:10] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[09:26:36] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[09:48:51] *** Non-ICE <Non-ICE!~knut@97.79-160-125.customer.lyse.net> has joined #postfix[09:49:56] <Non-ICE> can I make postfix accept all logon requests (AUTH LOGIN) ?[09:50:20] <double-p> vietnam-why[09:50:21] <Alver> *all* credentials, even if they're wrong?[09:50:37] <Alver> That would pretty much defeat the point, no?[09:51:19] <double-p> i mean.. i was just talking about "cannot make up any bizarre thing and yet Tokyo will deliver" - but this is out of even those bounds :D[09:51:34] <Non-ICE> lets not have this discussion once more...[09:52:00] <double-p> you started it in the first place[09:52:30] <double-p> so anyway.. teach the auth backend to be like that. postfix wont care[09:52:48] <Non-ICE> the client i want to pass is sending AUTH LOGIN no matter if i set it to anonymous or not...[09:55:45] <Alver> Any reason why you can't assign it an actual user, so it can use the LOGIN?[09:56:23] <Alver> It's good practice anyway - anonymous submission is not something I like to do[09:57:33] <Non-ICE> well i can.. so fast and easy way to make auth happen and add some users?[09:58:35] <Non-ICE> main.cf?[10:01:57] *** linedash <linedash!~jonathan@server1.linedash.net> has left #postfix[10:05:56] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[10:10:57] *** jalalsfs_ <jalalsfs_!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has joined #postfix[10:13:31] *** jalalsfs <jalalsfs!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[10:29:11] *** jalalsfs_ is now 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Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility and should not be shown. Also see http://rob0.nodns4.us/postfix-logging[16:05:19] <russw> !showconfig[16:05:19] <knoba> russw: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[16:06:10] <russw> !pastebin[16:06:10] <knoba> russw: "pastebin" : A pastebin site lets you easily share logs and configuration. Examples are dpaste.org, fpaste.org, pastebin.ca, paste.ee, ptpb.pw, ix.io and many others. Please avoid ad-supported sites such as pastebin.com if possible.[16:08:00] <russw> Do people have a standard way of scrubbing e-mails from the mail logs for pasting here? I'm having "delivery temporarily suspended" issues I don't know how to debug, and the logs are filled with emails I probably shouldn't post here.[16:08:51] *** nailyk <nailyk!~nailyk@carbonfusion/co-admin/nailyk> has joined #postfix[16:09:15] <russw> e.g. I'm optimistically imagining a known pastebin that has this built in.[16:13:07] *** chkbsd <chkbsd!~ucio@unaffiliated/ucio> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:15:36] *** chkbsd <chkbsd!~ucio@bla.mode42.one> has joined #postfix[16:15:36] *** chkbsd <chkbsd!~ucio@bla.mode42.one> has quit IRC (Changing host)[16:15:36] *** chkbsd <chkbsd!~ucio@unaffiliated/ucio> has joined #postfix[16:16:56] *** nailyk <nailyk!~nailyk@carbonfusion/co-admin/nailyk> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:17:57] <rob0> russw, idk, doubt there is such a pastebin[16:18:12] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[16:19:07] <russw> yes, I figured I was optimistic. Does seem like a good idea/feature, though.[16:19:19] <rob0> If you're having mail routing problems, we might not be able to help unless we know the domain.[16:20:31] <rob0> you don't need to post your whole log, just the part associated with a single email with the problem[16:21:08] <russw> I'm still digging before I beg for help. :)[16:21:21] <rob0> np[16:21:28] <russw> Can't figure out why port 1024 is getting used here (but I don't know postfix operations yet)[16:21:34] <russw> ...(delivery temporarily suspended: connect to 127.0.0.1[127.0.0.1]:10024: Connection refused)[16:21:43] <rob0> oh, ok[16:21:48] <russw> er... 10024[16:22:02] <rob0> looks like someone set you up with a content filter[16:22:11] <rob0> and that is no longer running[16:22:32] <rob0> that's my best WAG from that snippet, anyway[16:22:43] <russw> More accurate is "someone set me with everything". I'm using a canned docker container.[16:22:48] <russw> This one, fwiw...[16:22:49] <russw> https://github.com/tomav/docker-mailserver[16:22:51] *** pj <pj!~pj@centos/ops/pj> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[16:23:37] <russw> I'm somewhat regretting it at the moment since debugging is tough for me. Anyway... plugging away at it.[16:24:31] <rob0> find out what was supposed to be on 127.0.0.1:10024, thump it[16:29:14] <russw> rob0: good WAG. This is in `postconf -nf`:[16:29:18] <russw> content_filter = smtp-amavis:[127.0.0.1]:10024[16:29:30] <russw> full -nf and -Mf output: https://bpaste.net/raw/59bd44c5d231[16:30:06] *** nailyk <nailyk!~nailyk@carbonfusion/co-admin/nailyk> has joined #postfix[16:30:30] <russw> man I hate working inside a skinny container :([16:34:44] *** pj <pj!~pj@centos/ops/pj> has joined #postfix[16:37:30] <russw> where would postgres keep mails that have been suspended? I don't see any obvious dir reference in the postconf output.[16:38:00] <rob0> !postgres[16:38:00] <knoba> rob0: Error: "postgres" is not a valid command.[16:38:07] <rob0> !pgsql[16:38:07] <knoba> rob0: "pgsql" : http://www.postfix.org/PGSQL_README.html : PostgreSQL support in Postfix[16:38:15] <russw> ack... s/postgres/postfix/[16:38:16] <russw> sorry[16:38:33] <rob0> !postsuper[16:38:33] <knoba> rob0: "postsuper" : the queue supervision tool for postfix. Use it with the option "-d" to remove mails from the queue. See 'man postsuper' for more information.[16:38:40] <russw> Intent is to see how much of a floodgate (if any) is being opened if I fix this problem (presumably by getting amavis running again)[16:39:02] <russw> nice. thx.[16:39:02] <rob0> mailq lists the queue[16:41:15] *** jalalsfs <jalalsfs!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[16:44:01] *** jalalsfs <jalalsfs!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has joined #postfix[17:10:01] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@45-251-16-190.fibertel.com.ar> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:10:02] *** DTZUZU <DTZUZU!~DTZUZU@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.2)[17:10:39] *** DTZUZU <DTZUZU!~DTZUZU@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has joined #postfix[17:18:34] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[17:25:17] <russw> Ok, I've restarted amavisd but that didn't seem to fix anything and I've run out of ideas for the moment[17:25:33] <russw> postfix logs are filled with what seems like unhappy messages:[17:28:08] <russw> https://bpaste.net/raw/1b4771d65f4e[17:28:33] <russw> any help would be greatly appreciated to point me in the right direction to get mail up and running again![17:28:38] *** moonleg <moonleg!~moonleg@104.200.152.5> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[17:34:07] <russw> better log paste:[17:34:09] <russw> https://bpaste.net/raw/583fe8376a2f[17:54:59] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has joined #postfix[17:55:08] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@201.216.253.75> has joined #postfix[18:06:33] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:06:50] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[18:09:44] *** _cr_ <_cr_!~quassel@srv.ncxs.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[18:11:43] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[18:12:30] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[18:21:26] *** ddBz <ddBz!~gary@cpe-67-246-27-81.nycap.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[18:24:34] *** i1nfusion <i1nfusion!~i1nfusion@46.101.134.251> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:25:01] *** epony <epony!~epony@unaffiliated/epony> has joined #postfix[18:25:17] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:25:30] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[18:25:52] *** i1nfusion <i1nfusion!~i1nfusion@46.101.134.251> has joined #postfix[18:30:29] *** Elisha <Elisha!~elisha@188-230-142-97.dynamic.t-2.net> has joined #postfix[18:35:07] <russw> ok... I *think* the way out of my problem is to disable the content filter entirely (since I can't figure out how to recover amavis)[18:35:20] <russw> Method I am using to disable content filtering is this one:[18:35:22] <russw> http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html#advanced_turnoff[18:35:57] <russw> The thing I am unclear about is the `postsuper -r ALL` command, which is supposed to "remove content filter request records from existing queue files".[18:36:41] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Quit: inabit. zz.)[18:36:46] <russw> If I run that, will my mail be preserved, then actually get sent onward without any filtering? (this is what I want)[18:38:33] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.static.allophone.net> has joined #postfix[18:46:36] <rob0> You know, content filtering is not right for everyone, which is one of many reasons why I'd be skeptical of such an all-in-one mail server thing.[18:47:19] <rob0> People who like to play with container tech are not necessarily email subject experts.[18:48:21] <rob0> postsuper's -r means to requeue the specified mail[s]. That is indeed what you do after disabling a content filter.[18:51:02] <russw> rob0: This is an apt, but still generous, description of me: "not necessarily email subject experts"[18:51:20] *** ddBz <ddBz!~gary@cpe-67-246-27-81.nycap.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[18:51:38] <rob0> I was talking about the person who set up the container.[18:51:42] <russw> ah :)[18:52:13] <russw> my queue is clear now, and that is good[18:52:45] <russw> this has been a lengthy (and woefully inadequate) introduction to email handling, anyway[18:53:36] <russw> I'm definitely surprised at how complex email is as a protocol, as well as to configure email handling software[18:54:11] <russw> I think I'll stick with mailgun (or whatever) in future so I can avoid pain like this again[18:54:29] <russw> thx for the help, rob0 :)[18:54:45] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.static.allophone.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[18:55:55] <lunaphyte> i think we have a factoid for that :)[18:57:10] <russw> factoids?[18:57:21] <lunaphyte> !easy[18:57:21] <knoba> lunaphyte: "easy" : unfortunately, because there are some folks who invest the time and effort to understand things, it makes emailing very easy for lots of other people, which seems to foster the notion that it couldn't possibly be any more complex than clicking send. this, of course, is not the case. as with most things, you get what you put in. also see !maintain[18:57:57] <russw> !maintain[18:57:58] <knoba> russw: "maintain" : don't be fooled into thinking that if it were just more simple to set up this mail server, that would make all the difference . the truth is that the initial installation and configuration of a mail server is as simple or complex as you want it to be, and more importantly, is going to consume nowhere near as much time as the daily care and feeding.[18:58:22] *** ddBz <ddBz!~gary@cpe-67-246-27-81.nycap.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[18:59:18] <russw> is there a factoid on what sort of daily care and feeding postfix needs? :)[19:00:44] <lunaphyte> :)[19:00:51] <lunaphyte> that might be tough[19:02:45] <russw> also, this is obviously outside of postfix proper, but I'm sure the expertise/awareness is here... anyone have a good email service they like (or run), similar to mailgun.com? Use case is an smtp service for sending automated mail from services like CI, issue trackers, etc (not that the mail source matters)[19:02:59] <lunaphyte> you could ask about that in ##email[19:03:03] <lunaphyte> but yeah, not on topic here[19:03:05] <russw> cool... thx[19:08:17] <rob0> That's just it, there can be no "daily care and feeding postfix howto", because that will vary by type of server you're running and lots of other factors.[19:12:40] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-188-174-150-198.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[19:21:58] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:22:37] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~n_1-c_k@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[19:23:35] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-188-174-150-198.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:28:10] *** karlpinc <karlpinc!~user@meme-net.meme.com> has joined #postfix[19:29:56] <karlpinc> If I want to (temporarly) halt outbound mail is there any reason I can't comment out the smtp (program) line in master.cf? (Taking care to restart postfix.) Makes sense to me but I'm thinking it can't hurt to ask.[19:30:30] <karlpinc> (I'm not worried about lmtp)[19:32:31] <teward> karlpinc: if you want to halt outbound mail just shut off postfix?[19:32:37] <teward> or do you want inbound mail to continue?[19:32:43] <karlpinc> teward: I want inbound to continue.[19:32:56] <pj> define "outbound" here[19:33:16] *** ddBz <ddBz!~gary@cpe-67-246-27-81.nycap.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[19:33:27] <karlpinc> Any mail delivery to anything out of $mynetworks.[19:33:33] *** Oclair <Oclair!~Oclair@www.aventia.pw> has quit IRC (Quit: %Cya%)[19:34:05] *** Oclair <Oclair!~Oclair@www.aventia.pw> has joined #postfix[19:34:44] <karlpinc> Including bounces.[19:35:19] <pj> well, you probably should decide exactly what you want postfix to do with messages that would normally be going out, then.[19:35:26] <karlpinc> Queue them.[19:35:41] <teward> i mean[19:35:52] <teward> you could use the firewall to deny access to other SMTP servers' port 25[19:35:57] <pj> queue them in which queue?[19:36:03] <teward> but bounces I don't *think* are sent via the standard 'smtp' mechanism[19:36:10] *** Blubberbop <Blubberbop!~quassel@mx1.capmegamail.com> has joined #postfix[19:36:20] <pj> teward: they are.[19:36:25] <karlpinc> My basic problem is that I've changed the dns name of the postfix server, and I'm waiting for reverse dns to update. So I want to delay sending out any mail to anybody who might reject it or mark my IP as a spammer because forward and reverse dns do not match.[19:36:34] <teward> well then they can block in the firewall port 25 :P[19:36:46] <karlpinc> I don't care what queue, so long as they are queued and will eventually be delivered.[19:37:33] *** ddBz <ddBz!~gary@cpe-67-246-27-81.nycap.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[19:37:48] <karlpinc> teward: I guess that's a solution. I could firewall off outbound port 25.[19:38:10] <pj> !tell karlpinc defer_transports[19:38:10] <knoba> karlpinc: "defer_transports" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The names of message delivery transports that should not be delivered to unless someone issues "sendmail -q" or equivalent. Specify zero or more names of mail delivery transports names that appear in the first field of master.cf).[19:38:32] <karlpinc> pj: Oooh. Nice. (Postfix is always so pretty. :)[19:38:48] <pj> the example in the docs is: defer_transports = smtp[19:38:58] <pj> ...which is likely exactly what you want.[19:39:26] <karlpinc> pj: Let me look at my master.cf. (I thought I wanted the relay transport.)[19:39:52] <pj> no, you want smtp, for the same reason you thought you wanted to disable smtp.[19:39:58] *** i1nfusion <i1nfusion!~i1nfusion@46.101.134.251> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:40:35] <karlpinc> pj: Oops. Right. :)[19:41:17] *** i1nfusion <i1nfusion!~i1nfusion@46.101.134.251> has joined #postfix[19:41:31] <pj> you could also set default_transport to something that puts messages in the hold queue for something a little bit more "solid" than defer_transports.[19:42:11] <karlpinc> It should only be for some hours.[19:43:43] <pj> ok[19:46:36] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[19:54:23] *** ddBz <ddBz!~gary@cpe-67-246-27-81.nycap.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[19:59:37] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:59:55] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[20:05:28] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[20:06:24] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[20:17:14] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~diemuzi@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has quit IRC (Quit: See you on the flip side!)[20:17:42] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[20:17:57] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[20:29:13] *** Blubberbop <Blubberbop!~quassel@mx1.capmegamail.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:37:35] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Quit: inabit. zz.)[20:39:41] *** section1 <section1!~section1@178.33.109.106> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:42:24] *** Zilon <Zilon!~Zilon@www.schem.me> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[20:42:39] *** Zilon <Zilon!~Zilon@www.schem.me> has joined #postfix[20:43:34] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:45:43] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has joined #postfix[20:52:37] *** i1nfusion <i1nfusion!~i1nfusion@46.101.134.251> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:53:58] *** i1nfusion <i1nfusion!~i1nfusion@46.101.134.251> has joined #postfix[21:02:04] *** ddBz <ddBz!~gary@cpe-67-246-27-81.nycap.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[21:32:15] *** ddBz <ddBz!~gary@cpe-67-246-27-81.nycap.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[21:36:28] *** ddBz <ddBz!~gary@cpe-67-246-27-81.nycap.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[21:52:19] *** phoenixz <phoenixz!~quassel@mx1.capmegamail.com> has joined #postfix[21:53:53] *** phoenixz <phoenixz!~quassel@mx1.capmegamail.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:55:54] *** Blubberbop <Blubberbop!~quassel@mx1.capmegamail.com> has joined #postfix[21:59:24] *** Blubberbop <Blubberbop!~quassel@mx1.capmegamail.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:05:31] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:24:27] *** delacroix <delacroix!~delacroix@2a02:810c:e3f:e500:381a:b1ff:fe38:b6b8> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[22:24:36] *** _cr_ <_cr_!~quassel@srv.ncxs.de> has joined #postfix[22:27:04] *** ddBz <ddBz!~gary@cpe-67-246-27-81.nycap.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[22:28:13] *** delacroix <delacroix!~delacroix@2a02:810c:e3f:e500:381a:b1ff:fe38:b6b8> has joined #postfix[22:31:18] *** ddBz <ddBz!~gary@cpe-67-246-27-81.nycap.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[22:33:51] *** golden_receiver <golden_receiver!~andry@unaffiliated/golden-receiver/x-4949035> has joined #postfix[22:40:34] *** rednul <rednul!~rednul@219.163.48.199.static.reverse.as19531.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[22:43:57] *** rednul <rednul!~rednul@219.163.48.199.static.reverse.as19531.net> has joined #postfix[22:51:58] *** internat <internat!biteme2@14-202-186-130.tpgi.com.au> has joined #postfix[22:55:49] *** rednul <rednul!~rednul@219.163.48.199.static.reverse.as19531.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[22:59:34] *** phoenixz <phoenixz!~quassel@mx1.capmegamail.com> has joined #postfix[23:01:28] *** emcepe is now known as mcp[23:03:15] *** Elisha <Elisha!~elisha@188-230-142-97.dynamic.t-2.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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