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[02:16:35] <ice5> Hello.
[02:17:28] <ice5> I'm using my own postfix server with the default config to send mails, however the 1st mail seems to be sent correctly according to logs while the subsequent emails are just "ignored" by the server.
[02:17:42] <thumbs> !tell ice5 welcome
[02:17:42] <knoba> ice5: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck!
[02:17:53] <ice5> Is there a rate limit optionm that needs to be tweaked in either .cf file?
[02:19:34] <ice5> !tell ice5 getting_help
[02:19:35] <knoba> ice5: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin
[02:19:51] <ice5> !tell ice5 showconfig
[02:19:51] <knoba> ice5: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old
[02:21:41] <ice5> These are the two config files, they don't seem extraordinary complex: https://pastebin.com/p6V5asH0
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[02:23:32] <ice5> However as I said, the first e-mail relayed will be accepted just fine and delivered just fine, the subsequent e-mails are just "dropped" or should I rather say, not even accepted by the MTA and there's no error in either logs.
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[02:24:54] <thumbs> ice5: not accepted by which MTA, exactly?
[02:25:52] <ice5> thumbs, My local postfix.
[02:26:14] <thumbs> ice5: do you even see the email in your logs?
[02:26:24] <ice5> I see this.
[02:27:35] <ice5> thumbs, https://pastebin.com/DFNq1NJt
[02:27:55] <thumbs> ice5: hrm, that times out. I'll just try later.
[02:28:07] <ice5> I get no notifications of any errors on the sender side and the said email never gets delivered.
[02:28:34] <ice5> What times out? Pastebin?
[02:29:18] <thumbs> yes.
[02:29:28] <ice5> Any alternate pastebins?
[02:29:37] <ice5> (It was only 3 lines though).
[02:29:38] <thumbs> ice5: any other than pastebin.com
[02:30:17] <ice5> https://0bin.net/paste/Ng9Rz7DvP-1ekz4p#U1n4rfM7IT8ThDSi4-WNtfxl/JiAlBQeqPUtHoGyWkp
[02:30:48] <thumbs> so who is sending that email?
[02:30:53] <ice5> Me to myself.
[02:31:00] <ice5> To test that the delivery is actually working.
[02:31:18] <thumbs> ice5: you don't seem to auth.
[02:31:38] <thumbs> did you configure submission / submissions properly?
[02:32:07] <ice5> It seems to me, but I'm no expert, there's a throttle based on the source IP of the sender, if I reconnect my ADSL and get a different IP address then the subsequent emails will be accepted at the rate of 1 email per IP per hour or so.
[02:32:24] <ice5> I haven't no, it was a default Debian install out of the box.
[02:33:12] <thumbs> ice5: the first step you need to do is configure mail submission
[02:33:17] <thumbs> !tell ice5 submission
[02:33:17] <knoba> ice5: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf
[02:33:22] <thumbs> !tell ice5 submissions
[02:33:22] <knoba> ice5: "submissions" : RFC 8314 renames the old smtps port, 465/tcp, to submissions, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange, with implicit TLS rather than explicit STARTTLS via a plaintext TCP connection. Postfix can implement submissions with a separate smtpd(8) listener with -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes . See the commented example for smtps in master.cf.
[02:33:34] <pins> What is this about? warning: restriction `reject_authenticated_sender_login_mismatch' ignored: no SASL support
[02:33:42] <thumbs> ice5: then, empty mynetworks, and auth when sending an email.
[02:34:01] <pins> I'm trying to send an email from a manually created server to mailinabox server. That is appearing in mail.log
[02:34:18] <thumbs> pins: it does not change my answer, no.
[02:34:31] <thumbs> pins: mail submission requires you to auth.
[02:34:52] <pins> thumbs: submission inet n - - - - smtpd -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes
[02:35:00] <pins> I have that in master... what gives?
[02:35:09] <ice5> I don't want to use any auth, just accept connections from 0.0.0.0 on port 25 and relay mails only if they are present in the relay_domains in main.cf
[02:35:24] <thumbs> pins: oops, wrong user.
[02:35:36] <pins> thumbs: I was going to say what did I miss.
[02:35:39] <thumbs> ice5: port 25 is for MTA to MTA comuunications, only.
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[02:36:03] <ice5> thumbs, my email clients connect on that port too, don't they?
[02:36:18] <pinPoint> if anyone has a clue let me know. bbl, errands.
[02:36:21] <thumbs> ice5: no, they do not.
[02:36:29] <thumbs> ice5: mail clients use submission / submissions
[02:36:57] <thumbs> ice5: auth is mandatory on those ports, too. Not on port 25.
[02:38:39] <ice5> thumbs, a netstat -ntpl clearly shows 28388/master listens on 0.0.0.0:25.
[02:38:52] <ice5> Not on port 587.
[02:39:08] <thumbs> ice5: again, port 25 is for MTA to MTA communications, only.
[02:39:33] <thumbs> ice5: clients need to use submission / submissions
[02:41:23] <ice5> Let's see.
[02:44:32] <ice5> Should I point my clients to port 587 then?
[02:44:44] <thumbs> yes.
[02:44:57] <thumbs> of course, your clients will need to use STARTTLS, and auth.
[02:45:28] <thumbs> alternately, you can use submission (previously named smtps) on 465, and enable explicit TLS
[02:45:47] <ice5> I don't want any AUTH just accept mails based on the relay_domains.
[02:45:58] <thumbs> ice5: yikes. Don't do that.
[02:46:39] <ice5> Why not? It's a low profile server and I ban the spammers with a custom fail2ban.
[02:46:48] <thumbs> ice5: don't do that, either.
[02:47:20] <ice5> They are being auto-added iptables -A INPUT -s $spammer -j DROP
[02:49:19] <ice5> Okay well mails seem to work.
[02:49:27] <jimpop> why "-A" instead of "-I 1" ?
[02:50:08] <jimpop> adding the IP to iptables might never be seen if an earlier rule has -j ACCEPT
[02:50:34] <thumbs> blocking spammers with iptables is just wrong, period.
[02:50:56] <ice5> thumbs, how so? I'd say it is pretty effective?
[02:52:13] <ice5> But yeah other than that, you learn something every day, I always thought the defacto port to points mail clients (Outlook Express, Thunderbird, etc) was port 25.
[02:52:30] <thumbs> ice5: you have a lot to learn.
[02:52:37] <ice5> (and I've been sending e-mails for 20 years).
[02:52:53] <ice5> thumbs, you're just being obnoxious at the moment, my friend.
[02:53:04] <thumbs> no, not really.
[02:53:20] <ice5> thumbs, thank you for your precious help regardless, rest assured this is appreciated.
[02:53:40] <thumbs> a proper setup requires authentication, so that you can block access to users, if said credentials become compromised
[02:54:12] <thumbs> also, there is no way you can match proper spam filtering with fail2ban rules.
[02:54:48] <ice5> there is, with a proper tcp wrapper around each daemon.
[02:55:02] <thumbs> no, there isn't.
[02:55:09] <ice5> and a sensitive fail2ban.
[02:56:07] <ice5> It's too late to argue and this is beyond the scope of this channel but I can't think of a single attack scenario where fail2ban fails to be effective or can be detrimental to the system's security.
[03:00:33] <ice5> Thank you all, take care.
[03:00:33] <jimpop> thumbs: ?!?! a simple fail2ban rule checking mail.log for "NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from ..." works perfectly
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[03:00:49] <jimpop> it's almost too simple to not do
[03:02:41] <jimpop> 02:00 [Freenode] -!- ice5 irc at x dot x.x.x is messaging you, and you have umode +g.
[03:02:52] <jimpop> it works!
[03:03:29] <thumbs> ah, you blocked him with fail2ban
[03:04:36] <jimpop> :-) fat fingers work wonders sometimes
[03:05:30] <thumbs> jimpop: I couldn't tell if you were being facetious before or not.
[03:06:56] <jimpop> thumbs: i see why, and why not, to use fail2ban. But it does work well against repetative rejects, if all it's doing is quieting the logs.
[03:07:34] <thumbs> jimpop: the user was using it for spam filtering, primarly, and that's just wrong.
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[03:10:23] <jimpop> hmmm, i took it as he was using fail2ban to ban rejected spammers (i.e. spamassasin log entries being read by fail2ban)
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[04:02:32] <pinPoint> so i'm back from gym... ready to tinker some more. Here is the warning I'm dealing with but messages go through still. postfix/smtpd[32313]: warning: restriction `reject_authenticated_sender_login_mismatch' ignored: no SASL support
[04:04:31] <pinPoint> I have another server, manually built sending the email to a mail-in-a-box instance(automatic scripts).
[04:04:52] <pinPoint> So this is a miab mail.log
[04:09:45] <pj> !tell pinPoint getting_help
[04:09:46] <knoba> pinPoint: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin
[04:10:46] <thumbs> !relay_domains
[04:10:46] <knoba> thumbs: "relay_domains" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will receive mail for and will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter. See also !address_classes
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[04:31:55] <pinPoint> will read up on that...
[04:32:05] <pinPoint> !relay_domains
[04:32:05] <knoba> pinPoint: "relay_domains" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will receive mail for and will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter. See also !address_classes
[04:34:58] <thumbs> no, that was not for you.
[04:53:21] <pj> pinPoint: at the very least the output of: "postconf -a" would probably be helpful.
[04:53:57] <pinPoint> cyrus and dovecot
[04:58:30] <pj> then I need you to follow !getting_help.
[04:58:59] <pinPoint> ya
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[08:23:47] <pinPoint> !showconfig
[08:23:47] <knoba> pinPoint: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old
[08:24:45] <pinPoint> !pastebin
[08:24:45] <knoba> pinPoint: "pastebin" : A pastebin site lets you easily share logs and configuration. Examples are dpaste.org, fpaste.org, pastebin.ca, paste.ee, ptpb.pw, ix.io and many others. Please avoid ad-supported sites such as pastebin.com if possible.
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[08:35:19] <pinPoint> Alright. I've played around with it for far too long, I was attempting to read and maybe find a solution but sleep is calling. Here is the paste of my issue and configs: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/f-Hp8bnQl8GzF2DOYBSUwQ
[08:36:52] <pinPoint> I'm going to hit the hay...
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[11:22:04] <Thom1> hi
[11:23:06] <Thom1> just curious about 3.4.4 unavailable release?
[11:23:20] <Thom1> the website display 3.4.4 is released
[11:28:36] <survietamine> weird, from download page of the website, some mirrors show 3.4.3 and others 3.4.4
[11:28:45] <survietamine> http://postfix.mirrors.ovh.net/postfix-release/index.html <-- 3.4.3
[11:28:57] <survietamine> https://de.postfix.org/ftpmirror/index.html <-- 3.4.4
[11:29:42] <survietamine> all are not synced yet
[11:30:15] <survietamine> even on archlinux, I currently see only 3.4.3
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[11:31:19] <Thom1> on "ftp://ftp.porcupine.org/mirrors/postfix-release/index.html" <= 3.4.4 is "available" but postfix-3.4.4.tar.gz is not.
[11:32:25] <survietamine> yeah, even the release file is not available
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[11:33:11] <survietamine> why on this page, 2019 announces are under 2018? http://www.postfix.org/announcements.html
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[12:52:23] <NonICE> the few simple steps i have to make to discard certain email containing certain patterns in the body section?
[13:04:42] <NonICE> using internal filtering
[13:06:01] <survietamine> !filter
[13:06:01] <knoba> survietamine: "filter" : see !filter_readme
[13:06:08] <survietamine> !filter_readme
[13:06:08] <knoba> survietamine: "filter_readme" : http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html :: After-queue content filtering
[13:06:51] <survietamine> !body_checks
[13:06:51] <knoba> survietamine: "body_checks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables for content inspection as specified in the body_checks(5) manual page.
[13:07:01] <survietamine> maybe, but I'm not expert
[13:07:26] <NonICE> google also served me those 2 pages im just trying to wrap my head around it
[13:08:28] <survietamine> !google
[13:08:28] <knoba> survietamine: "google" : Those who use Google before reading the Postfix documentation, if fortunate, end up at http://www.postfix.org/ . If not, they end up in a jumble of bad questions, misleading or wrong answers, and outdated information.
[13:08:31] <NonICE> case is i have a few videoboxes sending some unwanted emails conatining the same string that i can discard for all users with one rule
[13:08:56] <NonICE> guess i was fortunate then
[13:09:24] <survietamine> can't you reject that messages before queue?
[13:09:54] <NonICE> to me it does not matter where in the process i can discard them, less config is more ;)
[13:10:15] <NonICE> but the string i need to filter on is in the body
[13:10:35] <survietamine> what is videobox?
[13:10:58] <survietamine> are you the admin of that boxes? If yes, maybe you should fix it on that senders
[13:10:58] <NonICE> network video recorder with some wonky content detection
[13:11:11] <NonICE> proprietary firmware crap
[13:11:26] <NonICE> box has one checkbox, send or do not send emails
[13:12:03] <tuxick> depleted rights management
[13:14:56] <NonICE> all these emails are sent through our already set up smtp postfix relay with some ip filtering
[13:24:30] <lunaphyte> !tell NonICE mantras
[13:24:30] <knoba> NonICE: "mantras" : (#1) Do not accept mail that you do not intend (or are unable) to deliver., or (#2) Do not drop mail., or (#3) Do not use wildcards or catchalls., or (#4) Do not forward mail to third party systems., or (#5) Do not use sender address verification.
[13:24:40] <lunaphyte> #2 applies here
[13:24:44] <lunaphyte> do not discard mail
[13:25:32] <NonICE> this is emails from robots, i want to discard some of the email from the robots
[13:25:53] <NonICE> err stupid robots
[13:25:53] <lunaphyte> that is bad practice, don't do that
[13:26:01] <thumbs> lunaphyte: you missed the "I filter spam with fail2ban" fascinating discussion yesterday
[13:26:09] <NonICE> it is not spam
[13:26:16] <lunaphyte> it doesn't matter what it is
[13:26:20] <lunaphyte> discard is never right
[13:28:23] <NonICE> it may be bad practice but it is what i need
[13:28:31] <lunaphyte> it is not, not
[13:28:37] <tuxick> not!
[13:28:42] <lunaphyte> why do you think you need to discard? who gave you this bad idea?
[13:28:47] <NonICE> since some chineese programmers are lazy
[13:28:57] <lunaphyte> *it is not, no :)
[13:29:08] <lunaphyte> what are you talking about chinese programmers?
[13:29:21] <thumbs> sounds discriminatory.
[13:29:41] <NonICE> those who did not implement a checkbox not to send tripwire clear emails from the network video recorders...
[13:30:03] <lunaphyte> why do you think you need to discard those messages?
[13:30:56] <NonICE> all i want is for those messages contaning in body "Alarm Event: Tripwire Clear" to not reach the receiver.
[13:31:05] <lunaphyte> sure, that's fine
[13:31:22] <lunaphyte> why do you think you need to discard them to accomplish that?
[13:31:32] <thumbs> NonICE: reject the messages, then.
[13:32:10] <NonICE> why do i want to reject, what if the chinese engineers cooked up something that stops working if it gets denials all the time?
[13:32:21] <lunaphyte> did they?
[13:32:37] <NonICE> i don't know that, and i do not want to find out if they ever did
[13:32:40] <lunaphyte> if so, if it were me, i'd want to know, and have it documented
[13:32:45] <thumbs> NonICE: protip: stop mentioning the nationality of the engineers.
[13:33:29] <thumbs> NonICE: it's quite racist, and quite off-topic for this network (never mind channel)
[13:33:37] <NonICE> okay
[13:34:11] <NonICE> anyway i do not want to make more trouble than necessarry for thos boxes sending the emails
[13:34:29] <lunaphyte> i would
[13:35:16] <tuxick> i'd reject and then have fail2ban drop
[13:35:19] <tuxick> but that's me
[13:35:28] <NonICE> thing is i have inderect connecting with this manufacturer and if we go to them and request a small change in firmware for the better the answer is always: If you order 10k boxes we will do it.
[13:35:31] <tuxick> it's 'nicer' to have fail2ban reject i suppose
[13:35:31] <thumbs> tuxick: agreed.
[13:35:46] <thumbs> tuxick: err, wait, no, not just fail2ban....
[13:36:13] <tuxick> after X rejects? why not?
[13:41:43] <NonICE> i know it is not "nice" to do but this is a "closed" system, thix postfix is only set up as a gateway from that closed system to the real world
[13:42:18] <rob0> body_checks(5) to discard? yuck.
[13:43:16] <rob0> but NO real mail other than the stuff from the devices that you're NOT discarding?
[13:43:55] <NonICE> yes there is emails with picture attachements i want to let through that does not contain this string in the body
[13:44:22] <NonICE> but all the mails come from the same boxes from the same manufacturer
[13:44:40] <rob0> Well, you know how it is with free software. If it breaks, you get to keep both pieces.
[13:44:55] <NonICE> yes
[13:45:17] <NonICE> im running it on proxmox, i have a backup of the entire machine in working condition
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[13:46:24] <NonICE> im quite used to breaking stuff, thats when you learn how it works
[13:47:32] <survietamine> proxmox mail gateway or PVE?
[13:48:07] <NonICE> VE
[13:53:26] <NonICE> mmkay, i created the body_checks file, is there a lot i have to di ine main or master.cf to make use of it?
[13:53:30] <NonICE> do*
[13:53:39] <NonICE> *do in
[13:54:03] <survietamine> rob0 seems to say it's not a good idea
[13:55:21] <lunaphyte> NonICE: files and file names don't matter
[13:55:28] <lunaphyte> postfix parameters do
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[13:56:24] <lunaphyte> NonICE: see builtin_filter_readme on how to use postfix's built-in lightweight content inspection functionality
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[13:59:20] <lunaphyte> YAY!
[13:59:24] <lunaphyte> maybe they won't come back
[14:03:09] <rob0> !body_checks
[14:03:09] <knoba> rob0: "body_checks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables for content inspection as specified in the body_checks(5) manual page.
[14:03:24] <rob0> see postconf.5.html#body_checks
[14:05:28] <thumbs> rob0: that keeps reminding me of a tackle in rugdby
[14:05:39] <rob0> heh
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[14:11:26] <survietamine> that keeps reminding me of Eleanor Rigby (Stanley Jordan version)
[14:14:14] <rob0> that would be a good music video, "Eleanor Rugby"
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[14:18:30] <NonICE> do i have PCRE after installing postfix or is this something i need to install seperatly?
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[14:19:31] <rob0> did we know your distro, and if so, are we familiar with it?
[14:19:58] <rob0> there's no single answer to that, and NO answer, not knowing what your distro is
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[14:23:50] <NonICE> i don't remember, this might be FreeBSD
[14:24:38] <NonICE> yes 11.2-RELEASE
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[14:28:02] <NonICE> postfix 3.3.0
[14:28:42] <rob0> yep, you'll have to ask FreeBSD folks about that
[14:28:55] <rob0> I'm sure they have documented it
[14:30:10] <NonICE> do I even need PCRE to use body_checks?
[14:30:29] <rob0> that or regexp
[14:31:18] <rob0> PCRE is usually preferred for better performance, but depends how complex your tables are
[14:32:57] <NonICE> okay i think i might have pcre installed now
[14:33:11] <NonICE> pkg install pcre
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[14:33:47] <colo-work> doesn't freebsd have a channel on freenode for novice questions?
[14:36:27] <NonICE> i'm onto it
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[14:45:07] <NonICE> i added body_checks = pcre:/etc/postfix/body_checks to main.cf relaod shows no additional warnings or errors. is there any chance it will do anything?
[14:46:44] <rob0> I suppose if your expression matches the input, it will take the action you specified.
[14:46:52] <tuxick> worst case it would turn out a bad movie
[14:47:04] <NonICE> nice, i will know by tomorrow morning
[14:47:49] <rob0> tuxick, no, worst case would be to lose the rugby game (and a few broken bones.)
[14:48:12] <rob0> You can test your expression,
[14:48:16] <NonICE> just one slight concern: body_checks = pcre:/etc/postfix/body_checks ACTIONS -> DISCARD one small footnote: This feature is not supported with smtp header/body checks.
[14:48:17] <rob0> !postmapq
[14:48:17] <knoba> rob0: "postmapq" : You can check your lookups with the postmap command. Example: if you defined transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf you may check this mapping by running postmap -q example.com mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf and see if it works.
[14:48:39] <NonICE> just one slight concern: http://www.postfix.org/header_checks.5.html ACTIONS -> DISCARD one small footnote: This feature is not supported with smtp header/body checks.
[14:49:23] <rob0> you set body_checks, not smtp_body_checks?
[14:49:25] <NonICE> there is no transport map
[14:49:31] <NonICE> this is smtp relay setup only
[14:49:57] <rob0> Oh. Bummer. You're supposed to be able to abstract the information out of the example it gave you.
[14:50:19] <NonICE> i will have at least 40 messages filtered by tomorrow morning, i will see
[14:50:23] <NonICE> or not
[14:50:33] <jimpop> 13:23 < NonICE> i don't remember, this might be FreeBSD
[14:50:36] <NonICE> now i need to do other stuff ;)
[14:50:46] <jimpop> NonICE: question: do you not know what your distro is?
[14:51:08] <NonICE> i had to look it up..
[14:51:26] <jimpop> after you installed it?
[14:51:35] <NonICE> im running several networks and systems
[14:51:45] <NonICE> yes last year or something
[14:52:25] <jimpop> but you didn't know what OS was on the system you were installing postfix on until well after you installed postfix?
[14:52:55] <NonICE> i installed postfix laste year, tha VM runs only postfix it was installed right after the OS
[14:54:17] <NonICE> it has been running for some time and now issues appeared that made it necesarry to change some config.
[14:54:39] <NonICE> now excuse me i have to go do some monkeywork
[14:54:46] <jimpop> ok, just an fyi... runing a public facing postfix (or any other MTA) installation requires a fair bit more hands-on than you suggest you've done.
[14:55:29] <lunaphyte> !maintain
[14:55:29] <knoba> lunaphyte: "maintain" : don't be fooled into thinking that if it were just more simple to set up this mail server, that would make all the difference . the truth is that the initial installation and configuration of a mail server is as simple or complex as you want it to be, and more importantly, is going to consume nowhere near as much time as the daily care and feeding.
[14:55:31] <lunaphyte> :D
[14:55:34] <NonICE> like i said it is NOT public, it is ip filtered to a few ip's running custom smtp clients sending 2 or 3 different looking emails severla times every day
[14:55:45] <NonICE> im not even running this on port 22
[14:55:59] <lunaphyte> i would hope not
[14:56:01] <lunaphyte> that would be pretty crazy
[14:56:03] <NonICE> err
[14:56:04] <NonICE> 25
[14:56:05] <NonICE> my bad
[14:56:08] <lunaphyte> then you'd have to run ssh on some other port
[14:56:11] <lunaphyte> :p
[14:56:19] <rob0> pinPoint, nice pastebin for this channel, that you shared in ##email ... your answer seems to be on line 56, and that you're using SASL-based global restrictions where SASL was not enabled.
[14:56:21] <NonICE> im not even running ssh on 22 on that box
[14:56:49] <jimpop> NonICE: IP filtering is worthless because IPs can be spoofed. ;-)
[14:56:59] <blackflow> unlikely for tcp
[14:57:10] * rob0 spoofs jimpop's IP
[14:57:27] <jimpop> i presume he's filtering IPs within his same VM hosting environment
[14:58:09] <NonICE> actually i have the filter in main.cf but thats probably another bad idea i have to correct later
[14:59:02] <NonICE> well i know its a bad idea... baecause that line is already way too long
[15:01:08] <jimpop> pleas tell us it's not a long line that begins with mynetworks
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[15:35:31] <jimpop> (sigh)
[15:37:35] <tuxick> :)
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[15:40:52] <bfdi533> I need to send all email from dev-* at mydomain dot com to qa at mydomain dot com. I have tried this with a header_checks rule but it does not seem to be working.
[15:41:02] <bfdi533> To be clear, that is everything from dev-* at mydomain dot com, regardless of the To address, needs to be rewritten to send them TO qa at mydomain dot com.
[15:41:15] <bfdi533> https://dpaste.de/EbPk
[15:41:38] <rob0> yes, you seem to think that headers control mail routing?
[15:42:17] <bfdi533> no, I _thought_ headers was a way to rewrite and fix the headers, To, From, Subject, etc.
[15:42:32] <bfdi533> So thought to rewrite the TO address if a From address matched.
[15:42:48] <bfdi533> your reply seems to indicate I have this wrong.
[15:43:02] <jimpop> header checking won't do what you want, you want sender checking (check_senders)
[15:43:14] <rob0> redirect does not change a header
[15:43:16] <jimpop> !check_sender_access
[15:43:16] <knoba> jimpop: "check_sender_access" : Search the specified access(5) database for the MAIL FROM address, domain, parent domains, or localpart@, and execute the corresponding action.
[15:43:35] <rob0> probably best to start at the actual goal?
[15:43:58] <tuxick> opposite end of the field!
[15:44:02] <jimpop> i thought the goal was to redirect a senders email
[15:44:17] <jimpop> 14:40 < bfdi533> I need to send all email from dev-* at mydomain dot com to qa at mydomain dot com.
[15:44:48] <rob0> You have a server in general (production) use, and you want to let developers play on it without going out to the Internet?
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[15:44:50] <bfdi533> yes, that is what I need
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[15:45:34] <bfdi533> this is a test (dev) server and I need to ensure _all_ email send FROM the test rig does not send any mail to customers, staff, etc.
[15:46:05] <rob0> well that's simple, just put all mail on hold
[15:46:15] <bfdi533> Anything from the test rig that hits postfix , needs to redirect ALL mail from the listed TO address, to a qa at mydomain dot com address.
[15:46:54] <rob0> maybe this is similar,
[15:46:58] <rob0> !blackhole
[15:46:58] <knoba> rob0: "blackhole" : http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/postfix/2010-04/0168.html
[15:47:02] <bfdi533> No, I need to be able to test the mail sending part end-to-end without anything going outside of the "test environment" but since we need to simulate actual customer events, we need real data
[15:48:07] <bfdi533> that they get to the customer is already working. the bits that we are changing still need to validate actual, correct email are going "out" so we need to see the content being generated.
[15:48:52] <bfdi533> hence the need to rewrite the TO addresses based on the FROM address
[15:48:54] <jimpop> and by test you mean you will prepend "dev-" to those emails so that your sender_check can process/filter them out?
[15:48:59] <bfdi533> yes
[15:49:09] <jimpop> there ya go
[15:49:15] <bfdi533> in all other aspects, the test server is a clone of the original production system.
[15:49:25] <jimpop> yep, common practice
[15:50:04] <jimpop> create a check_senders map with something like this:
[15:50:57] <jimpop> /^dev-/ REDIRECT qa at yourdomain dot tld
[15:51:00] <jimpop> /^dev-/ REDIRECT qa at yourdomain dot tld
[15:51:23] <jimpop> the map will need to be a pcre map, so your main.cf will have:
[15:51:51] <jimpop> check_sender_access pcre:/etc/postfix/check_senders.pcre
[15:51:53] <bfdi533> jimpop: perfect, I will try that out. thank you very much!!
[15:51:57] <jimpop> yw
[15:54:12] <bfdi533> I have regexp:/etc/postfix/header_checks for the ones I have been using.
[15:54:22] <bfdi533> How is that (regexp) different from pcre?
[15:54:46] <jimpop> 2 different regular expression styles
[15:54:47] <rob0> !pcre
[15:54:47] <knoba> rob0: "pcre" : Perl-compatible regular expressions (pcre:) support in Postfix: http://www.postfix.org/PCRE_README.html
[15:54:59] <bfdi533> !regexp
[15:54:59] <knoba> bfdi533: Error: "regexp" is not a valid command.
[15:55:13] <bfdi533> ok
[15:55:44] <rob0> !regexp_table
[15:55:44] <knoba> rob0: Error: "regexp_table" is not a valid command.
[15:55:56] <rob0> see regexp_table.5.html
[15:56:17] <bfdi533> oh, I see. PCRE are the ones I am most familiar with anyway (being a PERL guy) ... good to know
[15:56:17] <jimpop> bfdi533: depending on your OS, you may or may not have postfix pcre support (on debian/ubuntu it's an addon pkg called postfix-pcre)
[15:56:29] <bfdi533> ok
[16:03:31] <bfdi533> I do not have a smtpd_sender_restrictions section already in my main.cf. Any hard or adverse effect created if I add only the pcre:check_senders portion?
[16:03:48] <bfdi533> will I get other rejected mail if that is the only thing in the file?
[16:06:37] <rob0> !access
[16:06:37] <knoba> rob0: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.
[16:06:58] <rob0> Each restriction stage has an implicit "permit" at the end.
[16:07:19] <rob0> If you're not rejecting anything, nothing is rejected.
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[16:17:46] <bfdi533> ok
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[16:24:03] <bfdi533> jimpop, rob0: a quick test indicated the REDIRECT is working; thank you guys very much! I have been reading through the docs until I was just getting confused ...
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[21:35:34] <pinPoint> so anyone spot my warning message early this morning? I had a pastebin with my postfix conf
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[21:36:48] <Non-ICE> I broke it
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[21:51:14] <Non-ICE> nope. i didn't break it
[21:51:22] <Non-ICE> but it still does no filtering...
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[22:52:08] <Non-ICE> it works
[22:52:21] <Non-ICE> my master and main is prolly filled with useless shit but it works
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[23:05:08] <Zerberus> pinPoint: line 56
[23:06:02] <Zerberus> pinPoint: so use the configured submission service and do not try SMTP AUTH on port 225
[23:06:08] <Zerberus> err, port 25
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