March 9, 2019 
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I have a question about digitalocean. As it stands, any new account created will have port 25 blocked. Submission uses port 587 to send out if configured properly. My question is this: Is port 25 needed at all?[06:39:17] <pinPoint> Is it strictly used for server-server communication?[06:39:31] <pinPoint> That's the part I'm confused about.[06:45:54] <lunaphyte> mail exchange happens on port 25[06:46:24] <lunaphyte> if you wish to relay mail to other servers on the internet, port 25 outbound must not be blocked[06:46:38] <lunaphyte> if you wish to receive mail from other servers on the internet, port 25 inbound must not be blocked[06:47:43] <pinPoint> So there's no escaping it I see. Good thing I've been a customer for a long time at Digitalocean... it is blocked for me.[06:48:00] <pinPoint> it isn't.*[07:16:45] *** treehug88 <treehug88!~textual@pool-98-113-184-194.nycmny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #postfix[07:29:17] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-188-174-151-176.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[07:30:49] *** ItsAVortex <ItsAVortex!~ItsAVorte@2600:380:6734:76ee:35e4:3639:ccf5:2273> has joined #postfix[07:45:46] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has quit IRC (Quit: led_dark_1)[07:46:30] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[07:47:05] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[07:48:57] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has joined #postfix[08:59:01] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)[09:01:13] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has joined #postfix[09:12:37] <pj> pinPoint: I would imagine they would unblock it on request.[09:15:19] <pj> ...and, tbh, it actually sounds like a good measure to help improve the reputation of their IP blocks because it effectively prevents fly-by-night spammers from using DO VMs for spamming, thus it becomes a good thing for the legitimate mail servers running on their networks.[09:18:34] *** DTZUZO <DTZUZO!~DTZUZO@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[09:26:06] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[10:06:59] *** Wioxjk <Wioxjk!~poppels@81-235-33-215-no286.tbcn.telia.com> has joined #postfix[10:21:05] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has joined #postfix[10:28:00] *** ItsAVortex_ <ItsAVortex_!~ItsAVorte@2600:380:6734:76ee:35e4:3639:ccf5:2273> has joined #postfix[10:29:04] *** ItsAVortex <ItsAVortex!~ItsAVorte@2600:380:6734:76ee:35e4:3639:ccf5:2273> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:35:59] *** imm__ <imm__!~imm_@dh207-10-197.xnet.hr> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[10:36:16] *** imm_ <imm_!~imm_@unaffiliated/imm/x-7821412> has joined #postfix[10:49:13] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has quit IRC (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)[10:49:45] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has joined #postfix[10:59:57] *** ItsAVortex_ <ItsAVortex_!~ItsAVorte@2600:380:6734:76ee:35e4:3639:ccf5:2273> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[11:01:41] *** yvyz <yvyz!~yvyz@gateway/tor-sasl/yvyz> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:02:05] *** yvyz <yvyz!~yvyz@gateway/tor-sasl/yvyz> has joined #postfix[11:06:11] *** ItsAVortex <ItsAVortex!~ItsAVorte@2600:380:6734:76ee:35e4:3639:ccf5:2273> has joined #postfix[11:33:30] *** ItsAVortex <ItsAVortex!~ItsAVorte@2600:380:6734:76ee:35e4:3639:ccf5:2273> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[11:58:54] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[12:03:00] *** DTZUZO <DTZUZO!~DTZUZO@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has joined #postfix[12:03:50] *** mikejq <mikejq!~buddy123@173.254.222.154> has joined #postfix[12:05:16] *** mikejq <mikejq!~buddy123@173.254.222.154> has left #postfix[12:11:07] *** nailyk <nailyk!~nailyk@carbonfusion/co-admin/nailyk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:27:48] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[12:39:06] *** nailyk <nailyk!~nailyk@carbonfusion/co-admin/nailyk> has joined #postfix[12:57:17] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:17:33] *** tokudan[m] <tokudan[m]!tokudanmat@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-sylywoosdepblcsl> has joined #postfix[13:19:22] *** ItsAVortex <ItsAVortex!~ItsAVorte@2600:380:6734:76ee:35e4:3639:ccf5:2273> has joined #postfix[13:41:47] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[13:42:25] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[13:46:12] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)[13:48:20] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has joined #postfix[13:52:54] *** ItsAVortex <ItsAVortex!~ItsAVorte@2600:380:6734:76ee:35e4:3639:ccf5:2273> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:52:58] *** ItsAVortex_ <ItsAVortex_!~ItsAVorte@2600:380:6734:76ee:35e4:3639:ccf5:2273> has joined #postfix[13:58:38] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Quit: inabit. zz.)[14:36:49] *** Jemt <Jemt!25cd7fcd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.37.205.127.205> has joined #postfix[14:37:33] <Jemt> Hi. I'm using Postfix with virtual accounts and aliases. If I create a catch-all address on a domain, it "overrules" real mailboxes. Is that normal behaviour ?[14:37:38] <Jemt> (expected behaviour)[14:38:04] <Jemt> I would expect a "catch-all" address to only "catch" if no other match is found[14:39:13] <tokudan[m]> iirc a catch all is an alias. aliases gets evaluated before real mailboxes. so each mailbox should have an alias pointing to itself to avoid that. not sure if that's the best solution, but it's what I've been using.[14:40:33] <Jemt> Oh, okay. Thank you. I think I'll do a SQL JOIN in my alias mapping to make sure there is no match if a real mailbox is found[14:40:58] <Jemt> Seems "funny" though that aliases are evaluated before mailboxes[14:45:42] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[14:48:05] <tokudan[m]> I'm far from a postfix expert, so take my experience with some salt: aliases are often used for simple mailing lists, so unless you have evaluated all aliases, you can't figure out which mailboxes to send the mails to, so it makes sense to go through aliases first and then with the updated list go through the mailboxes[14:49:06] <rob0> I think YDIW. (For that matter, a catchall alias is pretty much always a bad idea.) Yes, aliases are always evaluated before mailboxes (what would be the point otherwise?) and if you alias a real mailbox to your catchall, you get what you describe.[14:50:20] <rob0> !postmapq[14:50:21] <knoba> rob0: "postmapq" : You can check your lookups with the postmap command. Example: if you defined transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf you may check this mapping by running postmap -q example.com mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf and see if it works.[14:50:39] <rob0> ^^ check your virtual_alias_maps lookup[14:51:29] <rob0> also see virtual.5.html which explains how the lookups are done (and are recursive)[14:57:51] <Jemt> Thanks a lot :)[15:01:59] *** robtone <robtone!~rob@unaffiliated/robtone> has joined #postfix[15:09:46] <Jemt> tokudan[m]: I found an article that backs your solution: https://workaround.org/ispmail/jessie/postfix-mysql[15:10:39] <Jemt> And thanks rob0 for stressing that I was wrong :-)[15:12:29] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.static.allophone.net> has joined #postfix[15:14:38] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.static.allophone.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:16:03] <rob0> hm? I think you probably did get it wrong, but you didn't show us your work. I thought when people ask questions in help forums (including IRC) they are wanting to know if and how they made a mistake.[15:17:00] <rob0> Make a pastebin if you need help with it, although perhaps you have the tools to solve it on your own?[15:17:26] <rob0> !catchall[15:17:26] <knoba> rob0: "catchall" : Sending all emails for non-existing users in domain to a special account. See man 5 virtual for the @domain syntax, which applies in virtual_*_maps and relay_recipient_maps. For local(8) delivery, unset local_recipient_maps and see luser_relay. WARNING: catchalls are rarely a good idea. Spammers will abuse them.[15:21:15] <Jemt> My setup works exactly how it's supposed to - just not what I expected it to. I don't think I will have a problem changing the behaviour, but I don't think I want to - or should :)[15:23:51] <rob0> A catchall query would match "@domain" specifically, not "user@domain".[15:26:38] *** ItsAVortex <ItsAVortex!~ItsAVorte@2600:380:6734:76ee:35e4:3639:ccf5:2273> has joined #postfix[15:26:44] *** ItsAVortex_ <ItsAVortex_!~ItsAVorte@2600:380:6734:76ee:35e4:3639:ccf5:2273> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:26:58] <rob0> It can be tricky to get that exactly right in SQL, but indeed, probably Christoph got it right.[15:31:26] *** robtone <robtone!~rob@unaffiliated/robtone> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:48:45] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[15:58:30] *** ItsAVortex_ <ItsAVortex_!~ItsAVorte@2600:380:6734:76ee:35e4:3639:ccf5:2273> has joined #postfix[15:58:30] *** ItsAVortex <ItsAVortex!~ItsAVorte@2600:380:6734:76ee:35e4:3639:ccf5:2273> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:59:33] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has joined #postfix[16:05:00] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:05:42] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[16:19:43] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-128-59.satx.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[16:23:59] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[16:31:36] *** ItsAVortex_ <ItsAVortex_!~ItsAVorte@2600:380:6734:76ee:35e4:3639:ccf5:2273> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[16:31:44] *** robtone <robtone!~rob@unaffiliated/robtone> has joined #postfix[16:32:36] <robtone> Hm. So I want to try the i386 memstik version, but it doesn't come with 32bit UEFI, the acer netbook supports only uefi boot and requires 32 bit. Which way to go?[16:35:55] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~diemuzi@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has joined #postfix[16:37:18] <robtone> ECHAN[16:39:47] *** jalalsfs_ <jalalsfs_!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has joined #postfix[16:40:05] *** jalalsfs <jalalsfs!~jalalsfs@unaffiliated/jalalsfs> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[16:54:42] *** robtone <robtone!~rob@unaffiliated/robtone> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:00:28] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[17:04:52] *** ItsAVortex <ItsAVortex!~ItsAVorte@2600:380:6734:76ee:35e4:3639:ccf5:2273> has joined #postfix[17:32:29] *** ItsAVortex_ <ItsAVortex_!~ItsAVorte@2600:380:6734:76ee:35e4:3639:ccf5:2273> has joined #postfix[17:32:39] *** ItsAVortex <ItsAVortex!~ItsAVorte@2600:380:6734:76ee:35e4:3639:ccf5:2273> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:42:55] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.static.allophone.net> has joined #postfix[17:44:16] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.static.allophone.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:57:56] *** shibboleth <shibboleth!~shibbolet@gateway/tor-sasl/shibboleth> has joined #postfix[18:10:18] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)[18:14:03] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has joined #postfix[18:28:45] *** ItsAVortex_ <ItsAVortex_!~ItsAVorte@2600:380:6734:76ee:35e4:3639:ccf5:2273> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[18:39:26] *** magyar <magyar!~magyar@unaffiliated/magyar> has joined #postfix[18:40:34] <magyar> hi guys, how can i reject emails that are sent to me from me using a broken open relay mail server?[18:40:53] <magyar> more like through a broken open relay mail server[18:41:31] <thumbs> !check_client_access[18:41:32] <knoba> thumbs: "check_client_access" : Search the named access database for the client name, parent domains, client address, or networks obtained by stripping least significant octets. Reject if the result is REJECT or [45]XX text . 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