March 7, 2019 
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March 7, 2019 [00:06:03] <cybrNaut> lunaphyte: thanks[00:07:04] <double-p> germany is hard already.. das aeussere[00:08:29] <double-p> only for me (or other german of 80) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa1ougA-h0A[00:10:47] *** DTZUZO <DTZUZO!~DTZUZO@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:14:58] *** shibboleth <shibboleth!~shibbolet@gateway/tor-sasl/shibboleth> has quit IRC (Quit: shibboleth)[00:17:46] *** android <android!~Android@94-36-77-109.adsl-ull.clienti.tiscali.it> has joined #postfix[00:20:35] *** android <android!~Android@94-36-77-109.adsl-ull.clienti.tiscali.it> has left #postfix[00:20:46] *** serdar <serdar!~serdar@5.146.196.109> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[00:22:50] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)[00:24:57] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has joined #postfix[00:27:23] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@201.216.253.75> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:05:03] *** [NoClan]GoAway <[NoClan]GoAway!~NoClan@46.183.217.244> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[01:17:09] *** [NoClan]GoAway <[NoClan]GoAway!~NoClan@46.183.217.244> has joined #postfix[01:20:08] *** yoink <yoink!~yoink@unaffiliated/yoink> has joined #postfix[01:22:07] *** madduck <madduck!~madduck@debian/developer/madduck> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[01:22:18] *** madduck <madduck!~madduck@debian/developer/madduck> has joined #postfix[01:23:52] *** Ekho <Ekho!~Ekho@unaffiliated/ekho> has quit IRC (Quit: An alternate universe was just created where I didn't leave. 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joined #postfix[06:02:50] *** Serus <Serus!~Serus@unaffiliated/serus> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[06:04:28] *** Serus <Serus!~Serus@unaffiliated/serus> has joined #postfix[06:07:07] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[06:11:57] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[06:12:24] *** riv <riv!~matt@blaze.carterfamily.net.au> has joined #postfix[06:16:18] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[06:18:59] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)[06:21:08] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has joined #postfix[06:22:08] *** phoenixz <phoenixz!~quassel@mail.capmega.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[06:34:42] <riv> greetings all . setting up a new postfix server and having an issue with the connection being dropped upon successful auth. if i use TLS without auth its fine but the moment i try and bang in the auth i get '235 2.7.0 Authentication successful[06:34:47] <riv> and then the connection is dropped[06:35:05] <thumbs> riv: on what port?[06:35:19] <riv> on the server side i get something like this Mar 7 05:27:10 mail-smtp1 postfix/smtpd[664]: lost connection after AUTH from office1.X[180.X]:41788[06:35:26] <riv> thumbs: 587[06:35:41] <riv> submission with smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes[06:36:01] <thumbs> riv: 587 requires STARTTLS[06:36:06] <thumbs> !t riv submission[06:36:07] <knoba> thumbs: Error: "t" is not a valid command.[06:36:13] <riv> i tried cranking up the log levels but im not seeing anything helpful full exchange from client/server view https://pastebin.com/xNUD5Jwq[06:36:22] <thumbs> !tell riv submission[06:36:22] <knoba> riv: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[06:39:00] <riv> thumbs: this is for mail clients to connect to and send email to the internet not an MX. STARTTLS and an attempt to send some mail without AUTH LOGIN ie leveraging permit my_networks is fine and everything works a-ok. but i need this to work for people outside of my_networks hence the AUTH part.[06:39:58] <thumbs> riv: my_networks should be empty.[06:40:03] <rob0> There's nothing in verbose logs that would help with this. Revert to normal logging, and pastebin:[06:40:07] <rob0> !showconfig[06:40:07] <knoba> rob0: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[06:40:13] <rob0> !relevant_logs[06:40:13] <knoba> rob0: "relevant_logs" : mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility and should not be shown. Also see http://rob0.nodns4.us/postfix-logging[06:40:50] <rob0> also set:[06:41:05] <rob0> !smtpd_tls_loglevel[06:41:05] <knoba> rob0: "smtpd_tls_loglevel" : enable additional postfix smtp server logging of tls activity. each logging level also includes the information that is logged at a lower logging level.[06:41:11] <rob0> smtpd_tls_loglevel=1[06:42:04] <rob0> And your submission port should have a " -o syslog_name=postfix/submission", yours apparently does not.[06:42:09] <riv> i'll go through those cheers rob0 i'm already running smtpd_tls_loglevel = 4[06:42:18] <rob0> nonono, 1[06:42:25] <riv> ill back it off to 1 and review[06:43:41] <riv> at the moment this box is in a sandpit without anyone else connecting to it so the per service level logging hasnt been super important but ill bang that in for completeness also.[06:44:05] <riv> cheers folks[06:44:08] <riv> much appreciated[06:45:51] *** buddy123 <buddy123!~buddy123@96.44.189.114> has joined #postfix[06:47:15] <riv> !no_verbose[06:47:15] <knoba> riv: "no_verbose" : do not show verbose logs unless someone asks you to. if someone does ask you to, see !verbose[06:47:23] <riv> !verbose[06:47:24] <knoba> riv: "verbose" : You probably do not need verbose logging, but in very rare cases, the extra detail might assist in debugging. To set verbose logging, add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) in master.cf, then 'postfix reload' after that[06:52:46] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[06:57:22] *** DTZUZO <DTZUZO!~DTZUZO@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[06:57:28] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[07:01:42] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[07:06:27] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[07:11:14] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[07:14:15] *** DTZUZO <DTZUZO!~DTZUZO@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has joined #postfix[07:15:41] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[07:20:32] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[07:24:39] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[07:26:27] <riv> well the good news its nothing to do with my conf . i've been using debian buster(testing) because i wanted postfix start-fg which is introduced in v3.3 and stable(stretch) only has v3.1.9 . rebuild using stretch instead of buster and works as expected instead of dropping after successful auth. so off to investigate tls libs/ciphers i guess. thanks for the helps.[07:27:19] <thumbs> debian buster? Really? those folks need to come up with better names.[07:27:39] <Xogium> hehe[07:27:56] <Xogium> toy story names[07:27:58] <Xogium> ;)[07:28:29] <thumbs> they should just use release numbers so non-debian users wouldn't have to guess what is more recent.[07:28:37] <Xogium> I think the one that made me laugh best was squeeze[07:29:52] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)[07:33:57] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[07:34:25] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has quit IRC (Quit: led_dark_1)[07:38:22] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has joined #postfix[07:38:23] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[07:42:58] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[07:46:29] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has quit IRC (Quit: led_dark_1)[07:46:56] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has joined #postfix[07:47:44] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[07:52:11] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[07:56:42] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[08:00:50] *** RadoQ <RadoQ!~cheater@unaffiliated/radoq> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[08:01:13] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[08:05:44] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[08:09:19] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[08:09:45] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[08:33:45] <regis> lunaphyte: My bad with this stupid DMARC question. There's cloud9's 168.100.1.3. address in reports and I somehow saw it as 192.168.1.3 thinking "why are so many people checking DMARC after relaying the message in lan, and why are most of them using 192.168 network"...[08:36:14] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[08:41:41] *** jegade <jegade!~jens@sweb.itnode.de> has joined #postfix[08:42:24] <jegade> hi, what can cause a "DATA: 4.4.2 $server Error: timeout exceeded"[08:45:27] *** selea <selea!~selea@gatekeeper01.ports.se> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:48:29] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[08:53:07] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:57:16] *** law <law!~law@96.69.197.178> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[08:57:47] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[08:59:00] *** law <law!~law@96.69.197.178> has joined #postfix[09:02:26] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[09:06:47] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[09:11:16] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[09:16:12] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[09:20:53] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[09:25:06] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[09:29:42] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[09:34:18] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[09:38:27] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:43:12] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[09:47:33] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[09:59:12] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[09:59:55] *** led_dark_1 <led_dark_1!~Thunderbi@217.66.160.14> has quit IRC (Quit: led_dark_1)[10:01:12] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[10:04:41] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:05:52] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[10:10:28] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[10:15:10] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds)[10:16:29] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[10:19:43] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[10:21:41] *** Noti <Noti!~steffan@ip4da40774.direct-adsl.nl> has joined #postfix[10:24:24] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[10:25:35] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:28:47] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[10:31:07] *** MaximB <MaximB!93ea2102@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.234.33.2> has joined #postfix[10:32:38] <MaximB> hello, i'm using a mailjet relay with postix, getting this msg: Mar 07 11:30:10 ax-snapshot-prod postfix/smtp[30977]: 91B53216EE81: to=<DannyK at xxx dot com>, relay=in.mailjet.com[1.1.1.1]:2525, delay=0.03, delays=0.01/0/0.01/0, dsn=4.7.1, status=deferred (host in.mailjet.com[1.1.1.1] said: 454 4.7.1 <DannyK at xxx dot com>: Relay access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command))[10:33:01] <MaximB> where is the access denied coming from? mailjet? why?[10:33:39] <colo-work> you should ask mailjet about that[10:33:54] <colo-work> they're not exactly being verbose in their refusal to relay[10:34:27] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[10:34:28] <MaximB> sadly they don't have a freenode channel :([10:35:54] <colo-work> surely they'll have some kind of support for their customers?[10:36:05] <blackflow> took the words right out of my keyboard[10:36:15] <blackflow> but I was gonna say _paid_ support :)[10:36:30] <blackflow> inb4 "but we use the free tier": haha, don't.[10:36:49] <MaximB> alsodunno if it's related, but got this warrning from postfix: warning: database /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd.db is older than source file /etc/postfix/sasl_passwd , how would I update the db file?[10:37:14] <blackflow> MaximB: with postmap(1)[10:37:37] <blackflow> also, http://www.postfix.org/DATABASE_README.html[10:46:02] <blackflow> and huh, I don't have mailjet autojunked in the spam filters. thanks for reminding me to add this "Free email marketing software" to the list[10:46:42] *** terp <terp!~terp@77.68.214.134> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[10:48:13] <colo-work> hehe[10:53:23] <survietamine> we have some partner using mailjet, so I cannot blacklist them :/[11:08:26] *** noefk <noefk!~leon@shuzo.dexterous.org> has joined #postfix[11:11:06] *** serdar <serdar!~serdar@5.146.196.109> has joined #postfix[11:16:04] *** serdar <serdar!~serdar@5.146.196.109> has quit IRC (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep)[11:20:51] *** _ganapathi_ <_ganapathi_!~Ganapathi@49.207.182.134> has joined #postfix[11:22:21] <_ganapathi_> i was using it postfix for last few months without any restrictions. But recently we got issue like email is delivered to one of my email ID with same sender email. And message content like your email ID hacked. how do get rid of this one ?[11:24:41] <blackflow> _ganapathi_: yeah it's a rash of "your email account is hacked" phishing malware lately. set up SPF for your domain, and simply ignore them yourself.[11:25:43] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[11:30:09] <_ganapathi_> i have SPF already[11:30:57] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[11:31:20] <_ganapathi_> it means only particular account hacked .? doesn't serious to look into server level right ?[11:32:20] *** RadoQ <RadoQ!~cheater@unaffiliated/radoq> has joined #postfix[11:34:02] <_ganapathi_> how do recover that account ?[11:35:23] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[11:39:45] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[11:40:02] <blackflow> _ganapathi_: it probably is not hacked at all. From: and pretty much any other header line can be easily spoofed. this phishing campaign we noticed in the past few months is exploiting this, and sending "From:" the same address it sends "To:" so users get scared thinking they're hacked[11:41:09] <_ganapathi_> ooh.[11:41:42] <_ganapathi_> even i seen the headers on those email. it's different and variant for each email.[11:42:46] <_ganapathi_> But question is how they are sending email from my email ID. ?. sending to my email from any other ID is ok to simply ignore.[11:47:37] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has quit IRC (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)[11:48:56] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has joined #postfix[11:51:12] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[11:57:59] <blackflow> _ganapathi_: the same way you can insert an envelope into a physical letter box and write whatever you want on that envelope. you can write any name as sender, and any recipient as recipient, and as long as the envelope is paid for with stamps, and a postal service does their job, the envelope will be delivered.[11:58:32] <blackflow> and then the recipient will think they've gone crazy because they don't remember mailing that..... to themselves :) go crazy, start drinking, abusing drugs and eventually end up in a loony bin.[12:00:16] <blackflow> so you see "how they are sending email from my email ID" is simple: they spoof the "From:" header. they wrote your name on the envelope and inserted the envelope in their digital letterbox aka MTA.[12:01:32] <blackflow> now that said, it is possible someone got your password and is abusing your own MTA, with a valid SASL login, to send out the mail to you, from your own MTA. Which is tangential to "sending email from my email ID" (and by ID I'm assuming you mean "address").[12:02:20] <_ganapathi_> ooh. it means they are using their email server to sending those email right ?.[12:02:55] <_ganapathi_> or using my email server.[12:03:02] <blackflow> _ganapathi_: I am assuming so, yes, knowing about this recent rash of such phishing mailware. It's easy to check the headers and see Received -- where it came from last[12:03:41] <blackflow> _ganapathi_: they probably aren't but you can easily check your postfix logs, SASL authentications are logged. But start with the Received header and see where it came from TO your MTA[12:03:44] <_ganapathi_> yes. i seen the received is different.[12:03:50] <_ganapathi_> domain /IP[12:04:51] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:06:24] <_ganapathi_> even i seen there are multiple received[12:06:28] <_ganapathi_> header[12:06:35] *** ychaouche <ychaouche!~ychaouche@197.201.1.50> has joined #postfix[12:07:52] <_ganapathi_> With that header can i reject them ?.[12:08:03] <blackflow> _ganapathi_: yes, and you can only trust the last entry (which is first header iirc, reading from top to bottom), as that's what your own MTA added. the rest can be spoofed.[12:09:16] <blackflow> _ganapathi_: No use. each time they use another provider. what I do is mark the mail as SPAM with SpamAssassin. at least from teh campaigns I observed, it's easy because the content is exactly the same.[12:10:15] <_ganapathi_> hmm. yes they are using multiple provider on each time.[12:10:35] <_ganapathi_> so simply ignore them its better way ?.[12:11:08] <_ganapathi_> how do i make tht as spam atleast[12:12:47] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[12:15:12] <blackflow> _ganapathi_: that depends on your setup. We do content_filter via SpamAssassin before delivery to virtual boxes via lmtp to dovecot, then use SpamAssassin custom rules to mark this particular one as SPAM[12:17:08] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[12:17:59] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:18:14] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[12:21:54] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[12:27:01] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[12:27:18] <tuxick> huh?[12:27:50] <tuxick> through SA twice?[12:40:29] <blackflow> no[12:40:59] <blackflow> once through content_filter. I may've constructed that sentence poorly with "Then use"[12:43:30] <tuxick> then using sieve?[12:43:40] <blackflow> only to deliver to .Junk[12:43:46] <tuxick> right[12:44:01] *** section1 <section1!~section1@178.33.109.106> has joined #postfix[12:44:04] <tuxick> i usually just add *SPAM?* to subject[12:44:08] <tuxick> and leave the rest to user[12:44:18] <blackflow> sorry I'm taking this setup for granted, been doing it for so long, didn't occur to me that I needed to elabore it :)[12:46:07] <blackflow> tuxick: we actaully wrap spam into a report mail, with report_safe. using a custom, localized template that explains why we think it's spam and what the user should do, leaving the orig mail as attachment. seems to work best. just adding SPAM to subject still leaves the possiblity to click and upen a trojan in Outlook for example[12:47:12] <thumbs> /5/37[12:47:50] <tuxick> blackflow: wow, you have users capable of reading??[12:48:13] <tuxick> most users just panic/ignore "i'm not technical"[12:49:30] <blackflow> well at least the first thing they see when they open such a mail is not "Har Har I haxxord ur account!", but "Attention. This message has been marked as potential malware, blah blah blah".[12:50:14] <blackflow> we had some of them calling and asking wth is this, and we explained. nobody complained so far asking that we don't do that. The orig mail is always in the attachment, should they want to open it, and pretty much any client will do so.[12:50:21] <blackflow> client = MUA[12:51:52] <blackflow> infact, the default SpamAssassin report_safe template is too technical yes. We changed that to essentially say "We think this mail is bad. Here's the summar of the content: [...]. If you think it's not, you can view it by opening the original in attachment, or contact us for assistance. Technical details (scores) follow: ..."[12:52:35] <blackflow> start with nontechnical explanation above the fold, followed by a table of scores at the bottom for reference.[12:55:35] <blackflow> ooh ooh, and we removed "MAILER DAEMON" reference. That was like the best thing we did :) "What demon, what are demons send me mail?!"[12:55:50] <blackflow> *why are ... sending[12:58:27] <tuxick> haha, putting the local exorcist out of business[13:05:17] <colo-work> :D[13:13:09] *** oculux <oculux!~oculux@109.202.107.5> has quit IRC (Quit: blah)[13:21:26] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[13:26:08] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[13:27:43] *** oculux <oculux!~oculux@109.202.107.5> has joined #postfix[13:30:59] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[13:35:25] *** edux__ <edux__!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[13:36:47] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:42:14] <dhoutworm> What would be the correct way to create the tables in the database files?[13:50:46] <dhoutworm> I get these errors https://paste.ee/p/sqStC with this configuration https://paste.ee/p/87TUb. So i assume i have to create the tables myself, I looked on the web, but i can not find any good tutorials.[13:53:09] <blackflow> dhoutworm: don't use an SQL backend if you don't know how to use it. there's no definite answer to your question. you can have any table layout you want for your use case because what's important is data returned via SELECT queries, which can be constructed in a variety of ways.[13:53:34] <blackflow> but that implies you know how to SQL. if you don't, well... not a #postfix problem :)[13:55:23] <blackflow> dhoutworm: as to what the query should return, depends on the (postifx, not SQL) database table, so take a look at this first: http://www.postfix.org/DATABASE_README.html[13:55:44] <blackflow> database here means postfix databases and lookup tables, not "SQL or RDBMS" per se[13:56:11] <blackflow> and there's also http://www.postfix.org/MYSQL_README.html[13:56:36] <blackflow> feel free to ask specific questions on what your queries should return for a particular use case. but you're expected to know how to run SQL.[13:59:19] <dhoutworm> Thank you very much, That is a whole bunch of information i can read into :) And no i don't know how to SQL, But i love to learn :)[14:00:37] <blackflow> dhoutworm: start with simple database (as in postfix lookup table) files. you don't really need a RDBMS unless you intend to expose that config through a (web) UI and you need the convenience of SQL[14:02:53] *** pyco <pyco!~p@pdpc/supporter/active/pyco> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[14:09:03] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@191.36.239.241> has joined #postfix[14:16:19] *** pyco <pyco!~p@pdpc/supporter/active/pyco> has joined #postfix[14:26:00] *** edux__ <edux__!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:31:32] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[14:32:52] *** _ganapathi_ <_ganapathi_!~Ganapathi@49.207.182.134> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[14:34:07] *** edux__ <edux__!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[14:35:40] <ychaouche> hello #postfix[14:36:05] <tuxick> ehlo[14:36:13] <ychaouche> What could possibly trigger this kind of error ? lost connection after UNKNOWN from unknown[192.168.1.5][14:36:59] <ychaouche> lost connection after UNKNOWN from unknown[129.45.8.142][14:37:09] <lunaphyte> what is 192.168.1.5?[14:37:19] <ychaouche> lunaphyte, no wrong line[14:37:28] <ychaouche> good line is 129.45.8.142[14:37:33] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[14:37:36] <ychaouche> that's my phone IP I guess[14:37:45] <ychaouche> I tried to connect to my SMTP server w/o authentication[14:37:54] *** _ganapathi_ <_ganapathi_!~Ganapathi@49.207.182.134> has joined #postfix[14:38:40] <lunaphyte> only 129.45.8.142 knows why it disconected[14:40:12] <ychaouche> on my phone it says impossible de se connecter au serveur. ()[14:40:24] <ychaouche> (connexion to server impossible. ())[14:40:35] <lunaphyte> !tell ychaouche getting_help[14:40:36] <knoba> ychaouche: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[14:42:24] *** CCFL_Man <CCFL_Man!~closet@c-71-58-224-119.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has joined #postfix[14:42:40] <CCFL_Man> hello[14:42:48] <ychaouche> My phone was configured to connect through SSL/TLS and failed to establish a connexion to the server, but when I disabled it the error disappeared.[14:42:51] *** Xogium <Xogium!~Xogium@unaffiliated/xogium> has left #postfix ("leaving channel")[14:43:05] <CCFL_Man> i'm glad this channel exists.[14:43:27] <ychaouche> and when I connect with STARTTLS it also works[14:43:40] <ychaouche> Mar 7 14:43:03 messagerie postfix/smtpd[20514]: Anonymous TLS connection established from unknown[129.45.31.24]: TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)[14:44:06] <ychaouche> but with SSL/TLS it gives that error.[14:44:13] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has joined #postfix[14:49:34] *** _ganapathi_ <_ganapathi_!~Ganapathi@49.207.182.134> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[14:51:17] *** _ganapathi_ <_ganapathi_!~Ganapathi@110.227.232.2> has joined #postfix[15:00:15] <jaybe> the above is not an error[15:06:01] *** _ganapathi_ <_ganapathi_!~Ganapathi@110.227.232.2> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:06:03] *** selea <selea!~selea@gatekeeper01.ports.se> has joined #postfix[15:14:31] *** edux__ is now known as edux[15:18:35] *** terp <terp!~terp@77.68.214.134> has joined #postfix[15:21:01] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.static.allophone.net> has joined #postfix[15:21:57] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.static.allophone.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:32:31] *** FinboySlick 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"showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[21:46:56] <Azrael_-> !pastebin[21:46:56] <knoba> Azrael_-: "pastebin" : A pastebin site lets you easily share logs and configuration. Examples are dpaste.org, fpaste.org, pastebin.ca, paste.ee, ptpb.pw, ix.io and many others. Please avoid ad-supported sites such as pastebin.com if possible.[21:50:12] <Azrael_-> i tried to completely disable amavis but postfix still trys to connect to it when sending emails. currently this fails as amavis is stopped. here is the config: https://dpaste.de/ADSn can you give me a hint how i can accomplish this? also tried to remove the amavis block from main.cf but this also faild[21:51:50] <rob0> You probably had mail queued to go to the content filter after it was stopped.[21:51:55] <rob0> !postsuper[21:51:55] <knoba> rob0: "postsuper" : the queue supervision tool for postfix. Use it with the option "-d" to remove mails from the queue. See 'man postsuper' for more information.[21:52:02] <rob0> ^^ see -r[21:55:28] <Azrael_-> perfect, thanks[21:55:57] <Azrael_-> what about the amavis-block in the master.cf? why is this block also necessary?[22:19:04] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@201.216.253.75> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds)[22:37:45] *** BoomerBile <BoomerBile!~MetaPhaze@96-42-197-150.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com> has joined #postfix[22:38:22] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@87.18.35.29> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[22:39:30] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:39:51] *** n_1-c_k <n_1-c_k!~nick@2a02:8010:63a6::70> has joined #postfix[22:40:33] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@87.18.35.29> has joined #postfix[22:44:05] <cybrNaut> if i have multiple SMTP accounts on the same host, and i add them all to sasl_passwd, would postfix be robust enough to choose the username/password that matches the envelope sender?[22:44:24] <cybrNaut> seems unlikely.. is there a special way to handle this?[22:48:47] <cybrNaut> nvm.. smtp_sasl_password_maps is probably what I need[22:52:20] <cybrNaut> ..or sender_dependent_default_transport_maps or sender_dependent_relayhost_maps..[22:54:36] <lunaphyte> choose when? there is no such parameter named sasl_passwd[22:55:49] <cybrNaut> i confused some things.. sasl_passwd is the value i have for smtp_sasl_password_maps[22:55:59] <lunaphyte> oh[22:56:20] <cybrNaut> i found that smtp_sasl_password_maps can have a full address on the left-hand side, but that's probably not what I want since that's looking up a recipient[22:56:43] <cybrNaut> so I believe I really need sender_dependent_default_transport_maps (not quite clear on how sender_dependent_relayhost_maps differs)[22:57:19] <cybrNaut> but if for example I have 3 gmail accounts, I should put them all in sender_dependent_default_transport_maps to ensure that the correct SMTP creds are used for the correct address[22:59:51] <lunaphyte> in the end, sender_dependent_default_transport_maps and sender_dependent_relayhost_maps are operationally very functionally similar[23:00:41] <lunaphyte> at their root, due largely to the fact that transport_maps and relayhost are as well functionally similar, in the manner they're typically used[23:00:58] <lunaphyte> personally, i tend to prefer transport_maps settings over relayhost settings[23:01:16] <cybrNaut> transport maps is what i'm already using so i'll stick with it[23:01:42] <cybrNaut> guess i'll follow this example, but use transport maps instead of relay maps: https://serverfault.com/questions/443652/using-postfix-to-relay-via-multiple-google-apps-accounts[23:02:33] <cybrNaut> (the solution with 3 votes)[23:03:30] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:03:31] <cybrNaut> the one with 6 votes looks a bit limiting (smtp_sender_dependent_authentication = yes)[23:03:47] <lunaphyte> it's two pieces, yes[23:03:50] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[23:03:59] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[23:04:11] <lunaphyte> one is relaying via a specific destination, based on envelope sender[23:04:16] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:04:37] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[23:04:49] <lunaphyte> that's piece one. totally unrelated to any authentication, sasl, etc[23:05:03] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:05:30] <lunaphyte> then, second, using specific sasl client credentials for a given destination[23:06:32] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[23:06:35] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:06:52] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[23:07:11] <cybrNaut> well shit, they both have "smtp_sender_dependent_authentication = yes".. I don't want that for everything.. just for certain hosts[23:07:21] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:07:37] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has joined #postfix[23:08:07] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.46.25> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:08:09] <cybrNaut> i need sasl creds to be based on envelope sender for one domain only[23:12:08] <cybrNaut> i think if i omit "smtp_sender_dependent_authentication = yes" postfix might do what i want (that is, base it on the sender selectively)[23:16:47] *** phunyguy <phunyguy!~vault@ubuntu/member/phunyguy> has quit IRC (Quit: Goodbye cruel world!)[23:17:58] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@191.36.239.241> has left #postfix[23:19:57] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:b18:581:10:70de:a79:c19e:7ee7> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[23:21:26] *** phunyguy <phunyguy!~vault@ubuntu/member/phunyguy> has joined #postfix[23:23:56] <cybrNaut> actually i think i'm fucked.. i need "smtp_sender_dependent_authentication = sometimes", and that's not an option[23:26:24] <cybrNaut> i'll try it with "yes", but when the envelope sender has no record in the sasl password db postfix will like fail[23:26:31] <cybrNaut> *likely[23:27:04] <rob0> no[23:29:14] <rob0> You'd have a listing for the relayhost, right?[23:30:24] <cybrNaut> yeah, well a transport map in my case[23:32:54] <rob0> no "[relayhost]:587 username:password" line in smtp_sasl_password_maps?[23:32:56] <cybrNaut> so i guess it'll start with the transport map, get the host, use that and the sender to lookup in the sasl db.. and if no sender is there, i suppose it could be robust enough to just look for the host line[23:33:32] <cybrNaut> i have that for various hosts in there, without the port number[23:34:15] <cybrNaut> and now I also have some in the form "<sender address> username:password", which i just added[23:35:09] <cybrNaut> theoretically postfix could do what i need.. i'll have to test this now[23:38:55] <cybrNaut> seems to work[23:40:53] <cybrNaut> messages are going through regardless of whether smtp_sasl_password_maps has an address on the LHS or host. The only thing that's non-trivial to verify is if postfix is selecting the correct account for sasl auth (could use a mismatched one and the other server would likely still take it)[23:43:45] *** audiodef <audiodef!~serverdef@static.207.9.4.46.clients.your-server.de> has joined #postfix[23:44:13] <audiodef> How do I get postfix to stop using amavis? (amavis is not working after an update and I now have no mail service.)[23:46:04] <rob0> 1. remove the content_filter setting, 2. requeue any queued mail which wants to go to the content_filter[23:46:14] <rob0> !postsuper[23:46:14] <knoba> rob0: "postsuper" : the queue supervision tool for postfix. Use it with the option "-d" to remove mails from the queue. See 'man postsuper' for more information.[23:46:20] <rob0> ^^ see -r[23:51:43] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.static.allophone.net> has joined #postfix[23:52:40] <audiodef> That seems to leave me with a non-working server. Messages from outside don't seem to get in.[23:53:01] <audiodef> Is there an alternative to amavis?[23:55:03] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.static.allophone.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:55:24] <audiodef> nm, I commented out too much. :)[23:55:34] <audiodef> rob0: Thank you.