February 26, 2018 
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http://znc.in)[03:27:50] *** tyzoid <tyzoid!~tyzoid@srv0.tyzoid.com> has joined #postfix[03:50:39] *** johan <johan!~johan@customer-195-192-249-141.ip4.gigabit.dk> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:56:30] *** sep_ <sep_!~sep@2a04:2747:7e0b:d700:52e5:49ff:feeb:32> has joined #postfix[03:58:00] *** sep <sep!~sep@2a04:2747:7e0b:d700:52e5:49ff:feeb:32> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:07:17] *** webbb <webbb!50bb766b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.80.187.118.107> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[04:10:33] *** aindilis <aindilis!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:28:27] *** vpelletier <vpelletier!~vincent@p14023-ipngn4201hodogaya.kanagawa.ocn.ne.jp> has joined #postfix[04:30:19] <vpelletier> How can I debug alias expansion ? I'm getting "unreasonable virtual_alias_maps map nesting for", but expanging iteratively using "postmap -q" gives the expected result[04:33:17] <vpelletier> I have mailman mailing lists with "postfix-style" virtual hosts (so virtual-mailman contains "<list>@<domain> <list>" lines), and I have a regexp map for compatibility with our old sendmail-style virtualhosts so legacy lists (only) can be reached from any (legacy) domain[04:34:52] <vpelletier> intended expansion would be: <list>@<legacy> -> <list>@<proper> -> <list> |<deliver command>, and what I see with "postmap -q" (giving it only virtual tables) is <list>@<legacy> -> <list>@<proper> -> <list> -> not found[04:35:10] <vpelletier> which looks correct to me, I guess then local delivery gets involved[04:42:31] *** JPT <JPT!~jpt@classified.name> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:46:15] <rob0> BTW, Mailman is MUCH simpler with local(8) delivery and alias_maps.[04:46:44] <rob0> mydestination = lists.example.com, ...[04:47:20] <rob0> alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/path/to/mailman/aliases[04:47:53] <rob0> none of the pain of maintaining two separate lists of lists[04:48:34] <vpelletier> true[04:48:56] <rob0> ANyway, <list> is not a proper email address, lacking the @domain, and that's almost surely the problem.[04:49:01] <vpelletier> IIRC, the reason is that that server is serving virtual domains mailboxes on the same domain as lists[04:49:06] <rob0> !myorigin[04:49:06] <knoba> rob0: "myorigin" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default domain name that locally-posted mail appears to come from, and that locally posted mail is delivered to. The default $myhostname, which is fine for small sites. If you run a domain with multiple machines, you should (1) change this to $mydomain and (2) set up a domain-wide alias database that aliases each user to user at that dot users.mailhost.[04:49:17] <rob0> !append_at_myorigin[04:49:17] <knoba> rob0: "append_at_myorigin" : Append the string"@$myorigin" to mail addresses without domain information. WARNING: do not change this without understanding what it means, see http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#append_at_myorigin[04:49:58] <rob0> so you see, <list> is actually <list@$myorigin>[04:50:42] <rob0> yes, it's much nicer if you use a separate subdomain for your mailman lists[04:50:42] <vpelletier> indeed[04:51:27] *** chowbok <chowbok!~chowbok@207.181.255.76> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:52:38] *** chowbok <chowbok!~chowbok@207.181.255.76> has joined #postfix[04:54:21] <vpelletier> fwiw, this setup (caveat incomming...) worked on 2.5.5, and breaks on 3.1.6. caveat: I rewrote the configuration when moving, to get the craze of maps, policy check services, etc, so there is a chance I'm just missing something stupid[04:54:55] <vpelletier> get the craze [...] back under control[04:55:41] *** JPT <JPT!~jpt@classified.name> has joined #postfix[04:56:00] <vpelletier> oooh, and yes indeed, postmap -q <list>@<myorigin> resolves as <list>@<proper>[04:56:10] <vpelletier> hence the loop[04:57:16] *** chachasmooth_ <chachasmooth_!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[04:57:33] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:59:14] <rob0> yep, figured[05:00:15] <rob0> A lot of people (you are not the first!) assume that an unqualified localpart means "deliver to the system user or alias".[05:00:44] <vpelletier> at a glance, <myorigin> should not match the "if" statements I have around the relevant substitution, would the lookup happen with parent domains too ?[05:01:05] <rob0> And that wrong assumption is helped by some of the documentation showing use of unqualified localparts as alias results.[05:01:19] *** ArturShaik <ArturShaik!~artur-sha@212.112.100.88> has joined #postfix[05:02:09] <rob0> But the documentation also assumes that $myorigin is in $mydestination.[05:02:39] <rob0> !parent_domain_matches_subdomains[05:02:39] <knoba> rob0: "parent_domain_matches_subdomains" : a configuration parameter in main.cf: What Postfix features match subdomains of domain.tld automatically, instead of requiring an explicit .domain.tld pattern. This is planned backwards compatibility: eventually, all Postfix features are expected to require explicit .domain.tld style patterns when you really want to match subdomains.[05:03:03] <rob0> see "postconf parent_domain_matches_subdomains"[05:03:30] <vpelletier> debug_peer_list,fast_flush_domains,mynetworks,permit_mx_backup_networks,qmqpd_authorized_clients,relay_domains,smtpd_access_maps[05:03:59] <rob0> relay_domains <-- prime suspect[05:04:38] <vpelletier> relay_domains = ${{$compatibility_level} < {2} ? {$mydestination} : {}}[05:04:39] <vpelletier> compatibility_level = 2[05:07:39] *** webbb <webbb!50bb766b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.80.187.118.107> has joined #postfix[05:07:40] *** webbb <webbb!50bb766b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.80.187.118.107> has quit IRC (Changing host)[05:07:40] *** webbb <webbb!50bb766b@unaffiliated/vidd> has joined #postfix[05:07:40] *** webbb <webbb!50bb766b@unaffiliated/vidd> has quit IRC (Changing host)[05:07:40] *** webbb <webbb!50bb766b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.80.187.118.107> has joined #postfix[05:12:55] <vpelletier> I can't find it again yet in the doc, but I expected regexp maps to not do any domain matching magic[05:13:19] <vpelletier> I do find that there is no <user> @<domain> split, nor <user>+<...> split[05:19:22] <vpelletier> oooh, bad parenthese matching in that hairy regex[05:19:38] <vpelletier> well, that was stupid[05:21:30] <vpelletier> basically I was matching /^.*@(domain1)|(domain2)$/[05:22:11] <vpelletier> each domain has further parenthese nesting, because i tried to factorise by domain (multiple TLDs for same domain)[05:22:16] *** MACscr <MACscr!~MACscr@c-73-9-230-5.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[05:22:27] <vpelletier> so blah at foo dot domain2 matches[05:23:55] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[05:32:52] *** dmhashtables <dmhashtables!~dmhashtab@gateway/tor-sasl/dmhashtables> has joined #postfix[05:33:22] <dmhashtables> How can postsuper: fatal: scan_dir_push: open directory hold: No such file or directory be fixed? I don't have any setgid or anything like that set in /etc/postfix/main.cf ; /var/spool/postfix is owned by postfix and is mode 770[05:40:32] <webbb> hi[05:40:41] <webbb> I moved Maildir from one mailserver to another[05:40:45] <webbb> the mails pop up in email client[05:40:48] <webbb> so it worked?[05:41:00] <webbb> the name of old mail server is in the filenames of transferred maildir files[05:41:06] <webbb> is this a bad thing? can I just leave it like that?[05:48:21] <dmhashtables> webbb: that's probably fine, if your mail is delivered by Postfix or a Postfix component make sure that your main.cf is updated. 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Can I do this ?[15:39:08] <ychaouche> would it be check_recipient_access ?[15:40:50] <tuxick> sounds like a job for a spamfilter[15:40:58] <tuxick> but sure, you can leave it to postfix[15:42:50] *** rwb <rwb!~Thunderbi@74.85.159.242> has joined #postfix[15:43:04] <tuxick> but i'd just set up a spamfilter instead :)[15:43:26] <ychaouche> tuxick: addresse at mydomain dot tld is an alias of a group of users. I don't want people to send to that address, except those in the shortlist.[15:45:37] <tuxick> http://www.postfix.org/RESTRICTION_CLASS_README.html covers that[15:46:14] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@host109-72-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:56:55] *** synthroid <synthroid!synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:57:27] *** somepoortech <somepoortech!~somepoort@72-0-128-26.static.firstlight.net> has joined #postfix[15:58:09] <ychaouche> !UCE[15:58:09] <knoba> ychaouche: "UCE" : Unsolicited Commercial E-mail, an inaccurate (politicians'?) term for spam. Who cares why it was sent? See !ube[15:59:41] <lunaphyte> sender addresses are not generally a very good criteria to use for restrictions. they are too easily spoofed[16:00:32] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:01:09] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has joined #postfix[16:03:19] *** synthroid <synthroid!synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has joined #postfix[16:03:22] <joules> pretty much[16:04:14] <ychaouche> lunaphyte: but you have to guess which ones are allowed in order to be able to send to said address.[16:04:43] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@107.32.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:05:29] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@107.32.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has joined #postfix[16:06:31] <ychaouche> say I have three users : Alice, Bob, and Cathy and a special address dontreply at mydomain dot tld. I don't want anybody to write to dontreply at mydomain dot tld, except Cathy.[16:06:49] <ychaouche> this is what I want to achieve.[16:06:56] <joules> that's just silly[16:07:15] <ychaouche> joules: can you elaborate ?[16:08:04] <joules> how can you tell its Cathy?[16:09:14] <tuxick> phone her to check[16:10:02] <tuxick> but uhm, isn't it more logical to make it a shared account?[16:12:22] <tuxick> or a shared folder[16:12:34] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@82.61.72.109> has joined #postfix[16:13:32] <joules> ychaouche: I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve tbh.[16:14:18] <joules> i mean, how is cathy able to use your mta to relay emails anyway.[16:14:38] <joules> does she log in?[16:14:46] <ychaouche> yes she authenticates[16:16:24] <tuxick> shared account sure sounds most logical to me[16:16:59] <joules> not even that[16:18:18] <tuxick> ye well, actual goal isn't entirely clear to me[16:18:49] <tuxick> i suspect there's 'manager' in the equation somewhere :)[16:18:54] <joules> hehe[16:19:06] * joules looks at his sender_bcc_maps lol[16:19:56] <joules> and its a proxy:pgsql lol[16:21:30] <rob0> !check_sasl_access[16:21:30] <knoba> rob0: "check_sasl_access" : smtpd(8) restriction to check an access(5) database for the SASL username, see: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#check_sasl_access (available Postfix 2.11+)[16:21:59] <rob0> Apply a check_sasl_access restriction on submission[16:23:00] <joules> definately if everyone authenticates.[16:23:52] <rob0> force it on submission, don't accept submission on port 25[16:26:21] <ychaouche> Maybe I need to elaborate more on the subject since shared folders and aliases seem to be two different ways to send the same message to a group of people.[16:26:57] <ychaouche> I need to know why are shared folders better than aliases.[16:28:06] <tuxick> now you get the same message in 3 locations[16:29:45] <ychaouche> so better for the administrator ?[16:29:56] <tuxick> why would admin care[16:30:23] <tuxick> except for the hassle setting it up i suppose[16:30:27] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:30:42] <tuxick> it'd be extra funny if 2 recipients set vacation/autoreply[16:30:54] <tuxick> but ok[16:30:55] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has joined #postfix[16:31:37] <ychaouche> you said now you get the message in 3 locations, which is bad bc of disk space if I get it correctly ?[16:31:39] <joules> even dovecot use mailman.[16:32:24] <tuxick> mailman might be overkill here[16:34:45] <patdk-lap> it depends on the users[16:35:03] <patdk-lap> as now, the other users don't know if anyone responded to or took action on the item[16:35:12] <patdk-lap> in a shared folder, it would be easier to tell[16:35:24] <ychaouche> I need to go for now, I'll try to elaborate more tomorrow god willing.[16:35:35] <ychaouche> thanks for feedback all[16:35:37] *** ychaouche <ychaouche!~ychaouche@197.201.1.50> has left #postfix ("Konversation terminated!")[16:36:10] <patdk-lap> he left :([16:36:12] *** troys <troys!~troys@23-24-139-177-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #postfix[16:36:24] <patdk-lap> personally this is easy to resolve, you just add the, do not autorespond header :)[16:37:59] <joules> no[16:38:34] <patdk-lap> yes[16:38:38] <patdk-lap> it's how I resolve it[16:39:17] <patdk-lap> well, I guess it depends[16:39:23] <patdk-lap> so many different questions where asked[16:40:05] <patdk-lap> and he keeps changing the his mung, so no clue[16:40:24] <patdk-lap> atleast I took the change in the mung to be a new issue[16:42:13] *** edux <edux!~edux@200.69.192.161> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:44:29] *** edux__ <edux__!~edux@200.69.192.161> has joined #postfix[16:47:19] <tuxick> patdk-lap: that's why i think shared account would be easiest[16:47:30] <patdk-lap> depends, as I said[16:47:31] <tuxick> also means they don't have to bother admin[16:47:33] <tuxick> ye[16:47:44] <patdk-lap> if it's informational email, no[16:47:45] <tuxick> the old !goal thing :)[16:47:48] <patdk-lap> if it's some kind of action email, sure[16:48:27] <joules> well since it was asked in #postfix rob0 answer was probably the best solution.[16:52:25] <rob0> (I didn't read the whole scrollback, was just answering about how only Cathy could send as a certain sender.)[17:02:44] *** hannes77 <hannes77!~Adium@p5DDC1E4B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[17:03:43] <joules> actually im not sure[17:04:06] <tuxick> one can only guess![17:05:15] <joules> i actually use it in smtpd_relay_restrictions[17:14:25] *** led_ir22 <led_ir22!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #postfix[17:16:51] <joules> well the table is empty because people are behaving.[17:18:02] *** imm__ <imm__!~imm_@dh207-35-194.xnet.hr> has joined #postfix[17:18:33] *** imm_ <imm_!~imm_@unaffiliated/imm/x-7821412> has quit IRC (Disconnected by services)[17:18:47] *** imm__ <imm__!~imm_@dh207-35-194.xnet.hr> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[17:19:05] *** imm_ <imm_!~imm_@unaffiliated/imm/x-7821412> has joined #postfix[17:22:28] *** Neo4 <Neo4!~Thunderbi@194-151-200-46.pool.ukrtel.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[17:22:32] <joules> just a view http://dpaste.com/0WC3GV7[17:23:52] <joules> i've been afk for 12months so good refresh[17:25:09] *** synthroid <synthroid!synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:27:23] <joules> oh at.note is the optional text. nice reading your own stuff like it was done by someone else.[17:28:38] <joules> csa.note sorry "PAY YOUR BILLS!"[17:32:34] *** synthroid <synthroid!synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has joined #postfix[17:43:34] *** junixbr <junixbr!~junixbr@200.187.75.2> has joined #postfix[17:43:44] <junixbr> hello people[17:45:00] <junixbr> how can I config a policy in the cbpolicyd to limit number of emils sent for all domains ?[17:45:04] <junixbr> some tip?[17:46:19] <junixbr> I’ve configure member of a Policy to %all_domains and the group all_domains with member @[17:46:27] <junixbr> but it doesn’t work[17:46:48] <junixbr> some tip to member of group to all domains?[17:47:05] <junixbr> if I put @mydomain.com it works only to mydomain.com of course[17:47:22] <junixbr> is there some wild card?[17:49:25] *** danjel <danjel!~danjel@85.83.142.134> has joined #postfix[17:49:42] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-46-244-247-78.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[17:50:56] *** aindilis <aindilis!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has joined #postfix[17:52:30] <samy1028> Hello all, I have an interesting question. We have a range of IP's that send email. We recently had an issue that Office365 was banning a few of the IP's from sending to Office365. It caused NDR's to be generated back to our customers when the email happened to go out via one of the "banned" IP's. Is it possible to have postfix see the reject notice and redirect on failure to another system without causing an NDR?[17:58:42] *** tinyhippo <tinyhippo!~tinyhippo@special-hostmask/abercs.tinyhippo> has left #postfix ("WeeChat 2.0")[17:59:33] <patdk-lap> samy1028, you seriously want to do that?[17:59:44] <patdk-lap> you what your whole IP space blocked instead of just that one ip[17:59:55] <patdk-lap> why don't you just fix the spam that got you blocked?[18:02:27] <samy1028> the odd thing is that it's not a complete block from o365. They don't list the IP as in their block list.[18:02:32] <samy1028> and O365 hasn't been much help.[18:03:44] <samy1028> unfortunately it's not internal email, we handle mail for lots of customers.[18:04:01] <patdk-lap> so it's internal mail[18:04:19] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[18:04:57] <samy1028> My thought is to have a few warmed-up IP's that could handle these specific bounces. And if the get blocked, we'll move it around a little. And we'd know which ones are causing the issue by then.[18:04:59] <samy1028> (hopefully)[18:05:15] <samy1028> just was trying to see if it is possible to do it.[18:05:30] <samy1028> we probably won't implement it but we're looking for options, even a short-term one.[18:06:04] <samy1028> At the moment we're just letting the email go out via other IP's in the same or a different range.[18:06:04] <joules> who bans IPs[18:06:23] <samy1028> Office365.[18:06:59] <joules> so its a blacklist more than a ban.[18:07:02] <samy1028> Though we've also had some recipients use a /24 RBL before.[18:09:02] <joules> wait what? how many IPs do you send from?[18:09:12] <joules> sounds like you have more than google.[18:09:34] *** petn-randall <petn-randall!~petn-rand@azuma.rocketjump.eu> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:10:34] <thumbs> sounds a bit fishy.[18:15:28] <samy1028> we have a couple of /24's total.[18:16:46] <samy1028> but the issue we had with a recipient using a /24 RBL - when we were much smaller we only had blocks of 32 or 64 addresses in multiple ranges.[18:17:10] <samy1028> and one of the /24 issues - a single IP in that /24 was sending spam (not us), and the recipient blocked the entire /24.[18:17:34] <thumbs> why are you sending emails from different IPs?[18:17:56] <rob0> why so many? If Microsoft isn't helping you, that probably means they think you are a spammer.[18:18:18] *** petn-randall <petn-randall!~petn-rand@azuma.rocketjump.eu> has joined #postfix[18:18:46] <joules> powerup a postfix image on AWS and click go...[18:19:37] <samy1028> We have ranges to send out from depending on the service our customers are using. (We do a lot of processing for securing / archiving / filtering /etc.) So each service has a cluster of machines that handle it before it gets sent out to the world.[18:19:52] <samy1028> I'll have to look at AWS as an option.[18:20:05] <joules> D:[18:20:17] <samy1028> don't want to cause other bounce issues due to non-warmed IP's sending mail.[18:22:17] *** junixbr <junixbr!~junixbr@200.187.75.2> has quit IRC (Quit: junixbr)[18:23:11] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@181.167.195.114> has joined #postfix[18:31:06] *** junixbr <junixbr!~junixbr@200.187.75.2> has joined #postfix[18:36:06] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has joined #postfix[18:39:37] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[18:41:32] <joules> i can totally see microsoft allowing this. why risk losing potential office365 customers on a too strictly configured mta.[18:46:53] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-46-244-247-78.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:48:37] *** led_ir23 <led_ir23!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #postfix[18:48:48] *** led_ir22 <led_ir22!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[18:48:48] *** led_ir23 is now known as led_ir22[18:58:44] *** junixbr <junixbr!~junixbr@200.187.75.2> has quit IRC (Quit: junixbr)[19:13:13] *** Darcidride_ <Darcidride_!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10::719e:e3e1> has joined #postfix[19:18:39] *** ArturShaik <ArturShaik!~artur-sha@212.112.100.88> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[19:22:07] *** chowbok <chowbok!~chowbok@207.181.255.76> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:23:17] *** chowbok <chowbok!~chowbok@207.181.255.76> has joined #postfix[19:24:14] *** jas02 <jas02!~jas02@131.207.242.5> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:27:36] *** sebastienthiry <sebastienthiry!~Thunderbi@91.177.165.137> has joined #postfix[19:32:11] *** maslen2 <maslen2!uid202698@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fhqytkmcoyagstdc> has joined #postfix[19:32:24] *** dvl <dvl!~dvl@freebsd/developer/dvl> has left #postfix ("Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com")[19:33:09] <maslen2> Is it possible to configure postfix to output a pcap of the decrypted smtp traffic? (Assuming incoming smtp is encrypted with ssl/tls)[19:36:11] <lunaphyte> no. why?[19:42:34] <maslen2> Because we have a full packet capture appliance that takes its input as a PCAP and doesn't seem to support anything else[19:43:16] <lunaphyte> how does it work? you feed it files? or you somehow feed it a pcap stream?[19:43:42] <rob0> I doubt any mainstream MTA would support that. You'd have to patch.[19:44:20] <rob0> also, huh? How is decrypted traffic a pcap?[19:44:27] <korozion> O_o[19:44:36] <korozion> just mirror the switch port and capture[19:45:03] <rob0> the capture would not see inside TLS[19:45:33] <patdk-lap> hmm, you should be able to do it without a patch at all[19:45:39] <patdk-lap> just messing around with master.cf[19:45:53] <patdk-lap> but yes, it will never be a full pcap[19:46:12] <rob0> Postfix verbose logging would show the SMTP dialogue, but not the message DATA.[19:46:12] <korozion> rob0: unless you're the NSA ;p[19:46:36] <pj> set up a transport that pushes it out to another smtpd locally in plain text and pcap that stream.[19:46:56] <rob0> One way to get the DATA is to disable automatic deletion of queue files.[19:47:01] <patdk-lap> you just lots all the ip info[19:47:12] <patdk-lap> and everything else that makes the pcap interesting[19:47:18] <patdk-lap> you only preserved some of the stream[19:47:23] *** synthroi_ <synthroi_!~synthroid@50.202.5.122> has joined #postfix[19:47:38] <rob0> (But then you'd have to identify and parse and manually delete queue files.)[19:47:49] <rob0> pj's idea is better[19:48:05] <lunaphyte> i would just use header_checks and body_checks with a pcre that matched everything and an info action[19:48:07] <lunaphyte> :D[19:48:49] <rob0> lunaphyte, body_checks are limited, might not work with larger mails.[19:49:02] <lunaphyte> oh, you were taking me seriously?[19:49:04] <lunaphyte> :)[19:49:09] <patdk-lap> jI still think you can do it via tlsproxy[19:49:12] <rob0> haha, no, not really[19:49:12] <lunaphyte> shame on you![19:50:38] <lunaphyte> why is the encryption an issue in the first place?[19:51:06] <lunaphyte> sure this "full packet capture appliance" can support basic things like decrypting traffic, right?[19:51:14] *** synthroid <synthroid!synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[19:51:24] <lunaphyte> that's pretty basic stuff with things like tcpdump, tshark, so on[19:51:54] <patdk-lap> not anymore with pfs[19:52:24] <lunaphyte> oh, no?[19:52:48] <patdk-lap> the whole ECDHE, DH, DHE parts of the crypto[19:52:55] <patdk-lap> random exception key per session[19:53:00] <patdk-lap> encryption[19:53:19] <patdk-lap> most webbrowsers support a way to dump them, and wireshark can use it to decrypt then[19:53:21] <lunaphyte> but postfix can do it, so why couldn't another process?[19:53:38] <patdk-lap> cause it doesn't have the randomly generated key postfix created for that session[19:53:43] <patdk-lap> it's not transmitted[19:54:03] <patdk-lap> just having the certificate key is not enough[19:54:17] <patdk-lap> unless you are not using DH keys at all, and that isn't very secure[19:54:55] <lunaphyte> i see[19:54:57] <patdk-lap> or rather, anyone with the key can decrypt every session then[19:55:06] <patdk-lap> but this way, onle those two machines can dencrypt their sessions[19:56:34] <patdk-lap> disable all cryptos that contain DH will resolve it also, cause then 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quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[23:25:37] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@107.32.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:26:08] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@107.32.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has joined #postfix[23:27:09] *** danjel <danjel!~danjel@85.83.142.134> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:30:15] <n-st> hi, i just found out that spamassassin treats addresses with no whitespace between name and angle-addr (e.g `From: John Doe<jdoe at example dot com>`) as a spam indicator[23:30:17] *** BitBandit <BitBandit!~BitBandit@50-198-187-221-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:30:30] <n-st> seems reasonable at first, but i don't actually find that as a requirement in the email format RFCs…[23:31:00] <n-st> 2822 and 5322 both simply define:[23:31:02] <n-st> name-addr = [display-name] angle-addr[23:31:10] <n-st> angle-addr = [CFWS] "<" addr-spec ">" [CFWS] / obs-angle-addr[23:32:08] <n-st> so it seems whitespace is *permitted* (as part of the folding whitespace that's allowed almost everywhere in the mail format), but it is not *required*…[23:32:17] <n-st> am i reading that correctly?[23:32:54] *** Zames <Zames!~Mutter@112.198.103.161> has joined #postfix[23:32:59] <n-st> (background is, of course, whether i should file this as a bug with the sender's MUA)[23:41:03] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[23:43:53] *** MuffinMedic <MuffinMedic!Evan@unaffiliated/muffinmedic> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[23:50:40] *** Zames <Zames!~Mutter@112.198.103.161> has quit IRC (Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com)[23:55:46] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[23:59:08] *** MuffinMedic <MuffinMedic!Evan@unaffiliated/muffinmedic> has joined #postfix