February 23, 2018 
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If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![08:05:45] *** ced117 <ced117!~ced117@opensuse/member/ced117> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[08:07:18] *** ced117 <ced117!~ced117@opensuse/member/ced117> has joined #postfix[08:12:21] <golodhrim|work> hey guys, we are in a migration right now from exim to postfix, so far everything went smooth, but now we have an exim-filter that we would like to migrate, and we are running in some problems here. as it does not seem to be that easy. The filter applies only to ONE specific mail address, and there it needs to check some header fields with OR conne[08:12:21] <golodhrim|work> cted and sends them out to an new virtual alias, sofar we found out that header_checks and restrictions wouldn't work here, what would be your idea to best get it working like: if rcpt == mail then if header1 == a or header2 == b or .. or headern == n do redirect to vuser else reject?[08:16:07] *** troys <troys!~troys@23-24-139-177-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye)[08:22:54] *** Bartuk <Bartuk!~Bartuk@2a01:4f8:190:8800::> has joined #postfix[08:23:33] *** Bartuk is now known as p4501fr[08:23:35] *** p4501fr <p4501fr!~Bartuk@2a01:4f8:190:8800::> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[08:24:35] *** joules <joules!~lucifurba@pdpc/supporter/active/joulez> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[08:25:16] *** joules <joules!~lucifurba@pdpc/supporter/active/joulez> has joined #postfix[08:28:26] *** Zames <Zames!~Mutter@110.54.245.19> has 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I guess the problem is they authenticate with user at domain dot onmicrosoft.com and send as user at domain dot com[10:45:03] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[10:47:07] *** pppingme <pppingme!~pppingme@unaffiliated/pppingme> has joined #postfix[10:53:33] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has joined #postfix[11:03:44] *** albertxu <albertxu!~Thunderbi@183.193.33.76> has joined #postfix[11:06:37] *** anderson <anderson!~ande@104.236.88.240> has quit IRC (Quit: bye)[11:07:32] *** anderson <anderson!~ande@138.197.3.2> has joined #postfix[11:10:52] *** albertxu <albertxu!~Thunderbi@183.193.33.76> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[11:12:34] <survietamine> a quick what?[11:12:57] <tuxick> a quick problem![11:13:11] <survietamine> ah. I don't know what a quick problem is[11:13:24] <tuxick> join the club :)[11:14:18] <survietamine> people paying for M$ e-mail hosting. Why do they care having some mail server locally?[11:16:22] <tuxick> kinda confusing indeed[11:20:31] <istevenmon> because the idea in the administration department is to have the VIP accounts in the M$ and everyone else locally where you pay nothing[11:21:02] <tuxick> LOL[11:21:39] <tuxick> makes sense, the only proper use of a tie is hanging managers[11:26:02] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[11:26:10] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[11:26:11] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[11:29:09] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@58.106.177.140> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:32:53] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[11:32:56] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@58.106.177.140> has joined #postfix[11:33:21] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[11:33:21] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[11:40:39] *** Dolanyeah114 <Dolanyeah114!~dolanyeah@202.57.8.13> has quit IRC (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)[11:48:13] *** uebera|| <uebera||!ueberall_l@unaffiliated/ueberall> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:50:22] *** albertxu <albertxu!~Thunderbi@183.193.33.76> has joined #postfix[11:52:35] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I know PGP can handle correctly HTML part alone. Someone could help me please ? My source code in simple bash is this : https://pastebin.franceserv.fr/1345 (I know my question isn't related to Postfix,[13:20:40] <Elodie> but I think a mail community could help me to write correctly this mail format :)[13:20:47] *** section1 <section1!~section1@152.168.219.137> has joined #postfix[13:25:56] *** beatzz <beatzz!~beatzz@240f:83:d77a:1:31d4:ff51:9fb:4fa> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[13:29:59] *** zulutango <zulutango!~zulutango@static-n49-176-171-248.mas2.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[13:31:00] *** M6HZ <M6HZ!~M6HZ@mar75-4-82-230-46-11.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #postfix[13:47:49] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@host109-72-dynamic.61-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #postfix[13:51:45] *** ArturShaik <ArturShaik!~artur-sha@212.112.100.88> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[13:59:54] *** ArturShaik <ArturShaik!~artur-sha@212.112.100.88> has joined #postfix[14:05:59] *** synthroid <synthroid!synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has joined #postfix[14:10:20] *** RadoQ <RadoQ!~cheater@unaffiliated/radoq> has joined #postfix[14:12:31] *** edux__ <edux__!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[14:14:02] *** rwb <rwb!~Thunderbi@65.183.151.121> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[14:14:59] <survietamine> salut Elodie, don't do it with bash, but with some language having mime libs[14:16:05] <Elodie> I don't want use something other than bash, I'm not developer and a mail could be wrote in text mode, moving to a language is moving the problem without understand it. But thanks for your response :)[14:16:15] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[14:16:28] <survietamine> bah, t'as tort[14:16:50] <survietamine> you can ask in #bash[14:17:05] <survietamine> but I guess they will tell you it's not the proper language anyway[14:17:34] <survietamine> and I didn't want to tell you have to learn some language[14:17:53] <survietamine> for example, I did use some shell script calling mime-construct[14:21:06] <tuxick> urgh[14:23:48] *** fred_tv <fred_tv!~fred_tv@93-46-196-134.ip109.fastwebnet.it> has joined #postfix[14:32:04] *** golodhrim|work <golodhrim|work!515ba0b6@funtoo/core/golodhrim> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[14:34:25] *** golodhrim|work <golodhrim|work!515ba0b6@funtoo/core/golodhrim> has joined #postfix[14:38:27] *** koalu <koalu!~koalu@213.143.48.5> has joined #postfix[14:43:23] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@unaffiliated/sarri> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[14:44:23] *** floogy <floogy!~Gerhard@p200300C92F269400B0A84EB088D77DB6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[14:45:23] <floogy> Hello, Am I right, if i state, that email addresses are transported by MTAs/Relays over several hops in clear/plain text?[14:46:25] <tuxick> sometimes :)[14:46:39] <floogy> I'm asking that, to be clear, that it may be possible to spammers to catch such an email, even if I hold the property of the sending and the receiving server.[14:46:59] <tuxick> you can enforce tls then[14:47:00] <floogy> tuxick, so one can also encrypt the mail header?[14:47:20] <tuxick> no, just the connection[14:47:31] <floogy> I, thought that would only apply to the body[14:47:32] <tuxick> ooh sorry i see what you have i mind[14:48:06] <tuxick> but how would spammers get access to that mail header anyway?[14:48:30] <floogy> I have abandonned for a longer time all this stuff, therefore I forgot something. Now I'm uncertain ebven to the basics.[14:48:55] <tuxick> tbh it's not really a thing i'd worry about[14:49:00] *** koalu <koalu!~koalu@213.143.48.5> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.4)[14:49:18] <tuxick> better worry about outlook idiots doing a cc to all[14:49:34] <floogy> tuxick, I think, the message would be transported through many hops through relays, aren't they?[14:50:19] <tuxick> usually not, actually[14:50:40] <floogy> So, there might be a relay that reads the message, maybe not it's entire body, but the header, and it finds it way into a spammer database.[14:51:18] <tuxick> nah, not really[14:51:33] <tuxick> it's not like mails follow some random path :)[14:51:35] <floogy> oh, not? I thought that would be the normal case. If I use tracert, I sometimes notice 10 or plus hops to a domain I give.[14:51:47] <tuxick> that's not relays[14:51:54] <tuxick> that's plain old networking[14:52:05] <floogy> Ah, I see it's only TCP/IP[14:52:22] <tuxick> and if you worry about sniffers there, use tls[14:52:37] <floogy> So, it finds normally it's way directly?[14:52:51] <tuxick> yup[14:53:15] <floogy> yes, indeed. I had an error in reasoning.[14:53:30] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has joined #postfix[14:54:15] <floogy> Because someone was wondering, why his email receive spam, because he only use it for log infos.[14:55:16] <tuxick> if the account is called 'info' you can expect that :)[14:55:22] <floogy> So, that might indicate a hazard or an incidence of intrusion, right?[14:55:34] <floogy> Ok, that too. lol[14:55:57] <tuxick> i get plenty crap on info, postmaster and more like that[14:56:28] <tuxick> but if it's a less trivial name, i'd indeed worry[14:56:29] <floogy> Yes, I expect taht to, and wondering myself, why he's wondering ;)[14:57:07] *** golodhrim|work <golodhrim|work!515ba0b6@funtoo/core/golodhrim> has quit IRC (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client)[14:57:13] <tuxick> some people panic about being hacked over the smallest things[14:57:21] <floogy> But I thought also, that it might be easy to 'phish' an email address by relays and so. That was my fallacy.[14:57:42] <lunaphyte> it's "possible", but exceeding unlikely[14:57:59] <lunaphyte> there are MUCH less expensive ways for spammers to get email addresses.[14:58:04] <tuxick> indeed, quite unlikely[14:58:27] <floogy> I also gues that might happened due to this kind of guess-work-"brute-force"[14:58:43] <tuxick> oh some spammers do that yes[14:59:01] <lunaphyte> possibly, but there are MUCH less expensive ways for spammers to get email addresses[14:59:02] <tuxick> since botnets can be large enough for that[14:59:11] <tuxick> lunaphyte are you a bot??![14:59:23] <lunaphyte> some days i feel like one[14:59:30] <tuxick> i know the feeling[14:59:38] <floogy> If they do not receive an erropr the email address wanders into their database and get distributed to other spammers...[15:00:14] <lunaphyte> yes, perhaps. but that is still much more effort than spammers typically care about[15:00:19] <tuxick> wow, an entire day without spam from peru[15:00:22] <lunaphyte> you are overthinking all of this :)[15:00:36] <tuxick> guess blacklisting a lot of subnets finally paying off[15:00:37] <floogy> Yes, I can imagine.[15:01:09] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[15:01:26] <floogy> ok, thank you guys, to point that out.[15:09:39] *** led_ir22 <led_ir22!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Quit: led_ir22)[15:10:06] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-46-244-249-55.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[15:30:01] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[15:30:18] *** floogy <floogy!~Gerhard@p200300C92F269400B0A84EB088D77DB6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[15:32:33] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[15:32:33] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[15:38:03] *** rwb <rwb!~Thunderbi@74.85.159.242> has joined #postfix[15:42:13] *** Dolanyeah114 <Dolanyeah114!~dolanyeah@202.57.8.13> has quit IRC (Quit: Nettalk6 - 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how can I force users to authenticate when sending mail to another address on the same server as themselves - if I try to send email externally without authenticating, I get relay not permitted, and I would like a similar function for internal mail too[16:24:11] <patdk-lap> it's possible, but not suggested[16:24:20] <patdk-lap> do you want other servers to send mail to you?[16:24:35] <patdk-lap> if so, you have to accept that mail without authentication, and so the users will be able to also[16:24:42] <lunaphyte> um, no[16:25:05] <patdk-lap> yes, if the users don't use the submission port[16:25:20] <tuxick> sounds like another xy problem[16:25:22] <lunaphyte> tinyhippo: if clients are required to use submission, and submission requires auth, then this "problem" doesn't exist in the first place[16:25:22] <patdk-lap> and the users pass any tests you setup[16:25:57] <lunaphyte> tinyhippo: permit_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks should never, ever be in global smtpd_*_restrictions[16:25:59] *** albertxu <albertxu!~Thunderbi@183.193.33.76> has joined #postfix[16:26:15] <lunaphyte> and neither should smtpd_sasl_auth_enable[16:26:20] <lunaphyte> both of those belong for submission only[16:26:57] <lunaphyte> also note that smtpd_use_tls is old and deprecated, and mailbox_size_limit = 0 is irresponsible[16:31:56] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[16:33:05] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:33:06] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[16:35:28] *** synthroid <synthroid!synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:36:52] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has joined #postfix[16:37:12] *** synthroid <synthroid!synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has joined #postfix[16:45:00] *** fred_tv <fred_tv!~fred_tv@93-46-196-134.ip109.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:46:57] *** albertxu <albertxu!~Thunderbi@183.193.33.76> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[16:49:09] *** imm_ <imm_!~imm_@unaffiliated/imm/x-7821412> has joined #postfix[16:49:41] *** albertxu <albertxu!~Thunderbi@183.193.33.76> has joined #postfix[16:53:10] <tinyhippo> lunaphyte: so I should remove permin_sasl_authenticated, permit_mynetworks from the smtpd_recipient_restrictions in my main.cf, and what do I replace smtpd_use_tls with?[16:54:17] <lunaphyte> tinyhippo: yes[16:54:25] <lunaphyte> for smtpd_use_tls, read the documentation[16:54:28] <lunaphyte> man 5 postconf[16:54:39] <tinyhippo> actually, it looks as though I can just remove smtpd_use_tls entirely and I shouldnt see any change, its just a legacy setting to explicity turning it on?[16:55:00] <lunaphyte> you should use its successor and set it properly[16:59:20] <rob0> The way you force users to use submission is to not offer/accept AUTH on port 25. And then submission would require AUTH (and TLS).[16:59:43] <rob0> !smtpd_relay_restrictions[16:59:43] <knoba> rob0: "smtpd_relay_restrictions" : Restrictions to control relaying, implemented in Postfix 2.10. Prior to 2.10 smtpd_recipient_restrictions included this functionality. See !access and http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_relay_restrictions[17:00:02] <rob0> smtpd_relay_restrictions=reject_unauth_destination[17:00:52] <rob0> mua_relay_restrictions= permit_sasl_authenticated, reject[17:01:33] *** danjel <danjel!~danjel@192.38.130.60> has joined #postfix[17:01:41] <rob0> and submission's smtpd_relay_restrictions is " -o smtpd_relay_restrictions=$mua_relay_restrictions"[17:08:32] *** shal3r <shal3r!~shal3r@80.232.250.159> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[17:10:06] <tinyhippo> thank you both[17:11:07] *** shal3r <shal3r!~shal3r@80.232.250.159> has joined #postfix[17:11:32] *** cpm <cpm!~cpm@pdpc/supporter/active/cpm> has joined #postfix[17:12:15] *** mikecmpb_ <mikecmpb_!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Quit: inabit. zz.)[17:13:25] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[17:18:15] *** danjel <danjel!~danjel@192.38.130.60> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:18:41] 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