February 19, 2018 
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timeout: 256 seconds)[00:39:03] *** epony <epony!~nym@79-100-131-47.ip.btc-net.bg> has joined #postfix[00:43:37] <Gaaab> yep[00:43:41] <Gaaab> :)[00:57:25] *** TheFatherMind- <TheFatherMind-!~TheFather@cpe-104-34-204-52.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[01:00:18] *** TheFatherMind <TheFatherMind!~TheFather@cpe-104-34-204-52.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[01:00:28] *** niki <niki!~niki@0x3e2c8651.mobile.telia.dk> has joined #postfix[01:00:31] *** TheFatherMind- is now known as TheFatherMind[01:04:56] *** TheFatherMind <TheFatherMind!~TheFather@cpe-104-34-204-52.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC ()[01:06:57] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: cemotyz09)[01:17:53] <Gaaab> thanks a lot rob0 :)[01:22:07] *** TheFatherMind <TheFatherMind!~TheFather@cpe-104-34-204-52.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[01:22:35] *** aero-224 <aero-224!~aero-224@VDSL-205-233-15-76.broadband.nucleus.com> has joined 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!465[13:47:16] <knoba> buki: "465" : see !smtps[13:47:23] <buki> !smtps[13:47:24] <knoba> buki: "smtps" : A deprecated name for port 465; see !submissions and RFC 8314. See also !submission and !tls and !sasl[13:47:35] <buki> !submission[13:47:35] <knoba> buki: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[13:49:26] <buki> we should probably change !465 to point to RFC8314[13:55:20] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[13:57:22] *** ghormoon <ghormoon!~ghormoon@ghorland.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[13:57:57] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@107.32.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has joined #postfix[14:05:40] *** ghormoon <ghormoon!~ghormoon@ghorland.net> has joined #postfix[14:07:00] *** caitnop <caitnop!~py@169.48.236.23.bc.googleusercontent.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:08:53] *** caitnop <caitnop!~py@169.48.236.23.bc.googleusercontent.com> has joined #postfix[14:15:02] *** synthroid <synthroid!synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has joined #postfix[14:20:03] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@194.2.202.93> has joined #postfix[14:40:53] *** trn <trn!jhj@prone.ws> has quit IRC (Excess Flood)[14:41:25] *** trn <trn!jhj@prone.ws> has joined #postfix[14:41:49] *** audiodef <audiodef!~quassel@static.207.9.4.46.clients.your-server.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:42:48] *** KaiForce <KaiForce!~chatzilla@99.133.184.129> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 52.6.0/20180118122319])[14:46:04] *** beatzz <beatzz!~beatzz@240f:83:d77a:1:1c0a:7810:53c7:5cb9> has joined #postfix[15:03:49] *** zames2 <zames2!~Mutter@112.198.75.72> has joined #postfix[15:03:54] *** zames2 <zames2!~Mutter@112.198.75.72> has quit IRC (Excess Flood)[15:04:09] *** zames2 <zames2!~Mutter@112.198.75.72> has joined #postfix[15:13:25] *** beatzz <beatzz!~beatzz@240f:83:d77a:1:1c0a:7810:53c7:5cb9> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:21:42] *** troys <troys!~troys@23-24-139-177-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #postfix[15:23:29] *** MuffinMedic <MuffinMedic!Evan@unaffiliated/muffinmedic> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[15:28:27] *** MuffinMedic <MuffinMedic!Evan@unaffiliated/muffinmedic> has joined #postfix[15:35:47] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[15:36:22] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[15:38:46] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[15:43:33] <rob0> buki, right. I already have !submissions and fixed !smtps[15:43:42] <rob0> !forget 465[15:43:55] *** gongoputch <gongoputch!~kseel@freebsd/op/gongoputch> has joined #postfix[15:44:08] <rob0> !learn 465 as see !submissions[15:44:41] <rob0> sigh, we were making progress on getting people off of 465, and now this! :)[15:44:55] <thumbs> rob0: makes me utterly depressed.[15:46:19] <rob0> I'm following Viktor's advice, and won't deprecate 587 at my site. Users are already there, and I won't push anyone to 465.[15:46:56] <cgt> What's the problem with SMTPS for submission? Why would STARTTLS be better?[15:47:49] *** synthroid <synthroid!synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:48:05] *** synthroid <synthroid!synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has joined #postfix[15:50:33] <rob0> it's occasionally useful to be able to act on the pre-TLS plaintext connection. Better/worse really does not apply, it's just a different thing.[16:05:31] *** zames2 <zames2!~Mutter@112.198.75.72> has quit IRC (Quit: Mutter: www.mutterirc.com)[16:12:59] <tuxick> just put a claim smtps is very unsafe[16:14:13] <thumbs> actually, smtps requires encryption now, so it's technically more strict.[16:14:35] <thumbs> I should stop saying smtps - the new name is submissions[16:14:46] <tuxick> :)[16:14:54] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[16:15:57] <thumbs> I'll never get used to that new fangled stuff.[16:17:48] <tuxick> smoke signals should be good enough[16:25:57] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has joined #postfix[16:34:10] *** izibi <izibi!~julian@towel.0x01.eu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[16:46:19] <buki> carrier pidgeons FTW[16:46:38] <buki> although, it is quite messy[16:48:07] <buki> anyway, /me is off[16:48:10] <tuxick> quite[16:48:18] <tuxick> 15 kg/year[16:48:26] 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