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[01:28:52] <mitescugd> I've managed to configure postfix up to this point, and I am able to send mail (despite it going to spam). The problem I'm facing now,is that when I receive an email, it loops back to myself.
[01:29:23] <mitescugd> My MX record points to mail.mydomain.com, and mail.mydomain.com points to the same ip as mydomain.com
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[02:00:44] <Zerberus> !loopback
[02:00:45] <knoba> Zerberus: "loopback" : 'Mail loops back to myself' means that your Postfix wanted to send out the mail to the internet but then discovered that the DNS says your mail server should be responsible. Most likely you forgot to list your domain in mydestination or virtual_(alias|mailbox)_domains
[02:02:47] <mitescugd> Nice, that solved the problem! Thank you. I should read the documentation more carefully.
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[08:02:59] <User9827> Hello, I am tring to figure out how can i allow an email address example user at domain dot tld to be able to send from only one or more ip address for example 10.0.0.1 or 10.0.0.0/8 with out authinticating..
[08:04:02] <pj> that's a poor way of authenticating.
[08:04:35] <pj> anyways, you use a combination of check_sender_access and check_client_access
[08:06:22] <User9827> pj: thanks i'll read about that
[08:06:53] <pj> the implementation is a bit complicated. What version of postfix are you running?
[08:07:43] <User9827> pj: 3.1.6-0+deb9u1
[08:07:58] <User9827> pj: package from debian 9
[08:09:32] <pj> ok, well the key here is that the result of an access table lookup can be any restriction, so you can have a check_client_access as the result of a check_sender_access table lookup. Depending on your needs some of the newer specialty table types such as inline or pipeline may help as well.
[08:09:42] <pj> !check_sender_access
[08:09:43] <knoba> pj: "check_sender_access" : Search the specified access(5) database for the MAIL FROM address, domain, parent domains, or localpart@, and execute the corresponding action.
[08:09:48] <pj> !check_client_access
[08:09:48] <knoba> pj: "check_client_access" : Search the named access database for the client name, parent domains, client address, or networks obtained by stripping least significant octets. Reject if the result is REJECT or [45]XX text . Permit otherwise
[08:09:58] <pj> !access
[08:10:01] <pj> !database
[08:10:11] <pj> User9827: see all of these ^^^^^
[08:11:38] <User9827> pj: thanks doing so right now
[08:28:39] <User9827> pj: i couldnt figure out how to combine check_client_access and check_sender_access to give me OK if both were statisfied.
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[08:43:22] <pj> User9827: I was purposefully vague because there are different ways to do it and which works best for you depends largely on your individual requirements...
[08:43:54] <pj> that's why I gave you the factoids that link to the documentation.
[08:46:14] <pj> and that stack overflow example comes directly from the postfix docs, btw, it's in the RESTRICTION_CLASS_README
[08:49:04] <User9827> pj: yeah, which is exactly what i was looking for :)
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[11:51:26] <thumbs> wow, stackoverflow was not misleading, for once?
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[12:13:25] <LordKalma> Hey guys. I was messing around with postfix and dovecot (and opendkim) on my VPS. sendmail command works, but trying to send email from a client shows "relay access denied". Anyone care to give a tip? and what can I send you to help debbuging?
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[14:45:09] * rob0 misleads thumbs
[14:45:36] <rob0> !relay_denied
[14:45:36] <knoba> rob0: "relay_denied" : NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from CLIENT_HOST[CLIENT_IP]: 554 5.7.1 <RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN>: Relay access denied; from=<SENDER@SENDER_DOMAIN> to=<RECIPIENT@RCPT_DOMAIN> proto=ESMTP helo=<HELO>: This typically means that CLIENT_IP is not in mynetworks (and did not AUTH), and that RCPT_DOMAIN was not recognized as one of this Postfix's domains (not listed in mydestination, relay_domains or virtual_*_domains).
[14:56:33] <LordKalma> okay, let me try to process that
[14:56:46] <LordKalma> in the meanwhile I've been fooling around with the setting and I ended up in the same
[14:56:47] <LordKalma> so let's see
[14:56:56] <LordKalma> thank you, before than anything else
[14:59:02] <LordKalma> that leaves with some more questions. So how can I make it allow me to connect from any client IP and send to any recipient domain?
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[15:10:13] <rob0> !sasl
[15:10:13]
<knoba> rob0: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[15:10:17] <rob0> !submission
[15:10:29] <rob0> !submissions
[15:10:29] <knoba> rob0: "submissions" : RFC 8314 renames the old smtps port, 465/tcp, to submissions, with implicit TLS rather than explicit STARTTLS via a plaintext TCP connection. Postfix can implement submissions with a separate smtpd(8) listener with \" -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes\". See the commented example in master.cf.
[15:11:23] <LordKalma> hahah what a bot database
[15:11:27] <rob0> (Your version might still call it smtps, because 8314 is still very recent.)
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[15:11:41] <rob0> yeah, saves us a lot of typing
[15:11:53] <LordKalma> I updated postfix today, so probably I have whatever is latest
[15:12:07] <LordKalma> in fact, it's spitting out it's using some settings in backwards compatibility mode
[15:12:39] <rob0> anything from a distributor probably does not mention submissions, like I said, too recent (January)
[15:12:53] <rob0> !compatibility
[15:12:54] <LordKalma> ah yes yes
[15:13:04] <LordKalma> might not still be in the repos, right?
[15:21:59] <LordKalma> permit_auth_destination: Permit the request when one of the following is true: // reject_unauth_destination: Reject the request unless one of the following is true
[15:22:08] <LordKalma> isn't this basically the same behaviour? haha
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[15:29:51] <LordKalma> of course adding manually the line "relay_domains = <whatever_destination>"
[15:29:52] <LordKalma> works
[15:29:57] <LordKalma> but I didn't want to keep adding servers
[15:30:17] <LordKalma> is there a setting that if I'm authenticated, just let me send?
[15:34:04] <rob0> uh, no, that is not what relay_domains is for
[15:34:43] <rob0> Again, set up SASL and submission (which should also require TLS)
[15:35:00] <rob0> !relay_domains
[15:35:00] <knoba> rob0: "relay_domains" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: What destination domains (and subdomains thereof) this system will receive mail for and will relay mail to. Subdomain matching is controlled with the parent_domain_matches_subdomains parameter. See also !address_classes
[15:35:05] <LordKalma> I have submission set now
[15:35:22] <rob0> relay_domains are YOUR domains that you are MX for
[15:35:34] <LordKalma> sure, got it
[15:35:35] <LordKalma> thanks
[15:37:04] <LordKalma> and sasl is fine too with the current config, I think
[15:37:07] <LordKalma> well, probably not
[15:37:11] <LordKalma> but don't bother
[15:37:19] <LordKalma> I'll screw around until I learn
[15:37:20] <LordKalma> hehe
[15:42:30] <rob0> :)
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[15:44:04] <LordKalma> let me explain: I bought a VPS to mess around and I decided it was a good idea to setup email server because why the hell not.
[15:44:09] <LordKalma> now I know why not hahah
[15:44:27] <LordKalma> and my hosting provider supended my account the other day for spam flagging
[15:44:39] <LordKalma> and today I was dedicated o setup dkim, spf, etc etc
[15:45:02] <LordKalma> I had this working before with no hassle. dunno what's different. maybe some security update?
[15:45:39] <LordKalma> it it was anything serious I'd pay a proper sys admin
[15:45:51] <LordKalma> I'm no more than an enthusiast
[15:51:49] <rob0> dkim/spf etc are not going to help your deliverability
[15:52:12] <rob0> and lol, you're right, mail is a huge pain
[15:52:41] <LordKalma> yes yes I know
[15:53:04] <LordKalma> dkim and spf with help with my service provider not suspending my account
[15:53:06] <LordKalma> I like the service
[15:53:13] <rob0> oh
[15:53:16] <LordKalma> but I didn't like the "shoot first ask later" attittude
[15:53:35] <rob0> did they receive a complaint about you?
[15:53:39] <LordKalma> they were like "YOU ARE SPAMMING. YOU ARE SUSPENDED"
[15:54:01] <LordKalma> no. They sent me a "proof". Some website that checks for blacklists and I was on them
[16:00:23] <LordKalma> !showconfig
[16:00:23] <knoba> LordKalma: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old
[16:06:19] <LordKalma> and that's it
[16:06:23] <LordKalma> I'm sick of this for today
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[16:07:18] <LordKalma> I don't even understand what's the listener in port 143 doing. I though I had only configured the 993 port... mailservers are impossible
[16:07:19] <LordKalma> haha
[16:07:28] <LordKalma> Quantum mechanics come back
[16:11:07] <jaybe> !non-trivial
[16:11:07] <knoba> jaybe: Error: "non-trivial" is not a valid command.
[16:11:13] <jaybe> !nontrivial
[16:11:13] <knoba> jaybe: Error: "nontrivial" is not a valid command.
[16:11:29] <LordKalma> exactly
[16:11:34] <LordKalma> in physics, my field of work
[16:11:37] <LordKalma> everything is trivial
[16:11:59] <LordKalma> "the rest of the demonstration is trivial and left to the reader"
[16:12:17] <jaybe> !why
[16:12:17] <knoba> jaybe: "why" : are you sure that installing, configuring and maintaining a mailserver is really what you want to do here? it's not something that's for the faint of heart, and definitely not something for folks that are still just learning the basics of linux or unix. also see !nullclient
[16:14:01] <LordKalma> sometimes I think my university's IT and web and mail system is really poorly achieved
[16:14:14] <LordKalma> but now everything was put intro prespective
[16:14:14] <LordKalma> haha
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[16:57:23] <lunaphyte> !easy
[16:57:23] <knoba> lunaphyte: "easy" : unfortunately, because there are some folks who invest the time and effort to understand things, it makes emailing very easy for lots of other people, which seems to foster the notion that it couldn't possibly be any more complex than clicking send. this, of course, is not the case. as with most things, you get what you put in. also see !maintain
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[23:01:57] <Gaaab> i have a domain since two monthes
[23:03:05] <Gaaab> i have spf,dkim,dmarc correctly configured and it's not in any blacklist
[23:03:55] <Gaaab> gmail, hotmail, paypal and yahoo as far as i know mark mail as spam
[23:04:44] <Gaaab> reputation checking says my domain has a low reputation
[23:05:12] <lunaphyte> that's pretty typical
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