February 16, 2018 
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February 16, 2018 [00:00:28] <quantum> This is hopeless.[00:04:07] *** quantum <quantum!~quassel@50-47-99-2.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:04:20] *** magyar <magyar!~magyar@unaffiliated/magyar> has joined #postfix[00:05:57] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:09:09] *** harukomoto <harukomoto!~harukomot@93-41-16-73.ip79.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[00:22:26] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[00:26:11] <rob0> hehe[00:27:56] <rob0> jimpop, if smtpd_milters is defined globally and not overridden for submission, yes.[00:31:48] *** ghormoon <ghormoon!~ghormoon@ghorland.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:32:24] *** ghormoon <ghormoon!~ghormoon@ghorland.net> has joined #postfix[01:05:40] *** Reinhilde is now known as Ellenor[01:05:44] *** Ellenor is now known as Reinhilde[01:19:46] <jimpop> rob0: cool, thx[01:49:59] *** sigise <sigise!94871@bolt.sonic.net> has joined #postfix[01:51:15] <sigise> I've got a postfix server setup with Opportunistic TLS. Checks of sending with STARTLS are all fine. I want to test the server's behavior if the sending server sends to my server WITHOUT tls. IIUC it should fallback to an unencrypted connection.[01:51:39] <sigise> What telnet or openssl s_client, or other, tool can I use to verify that from an offsite server?[02:01:53] *** sep <sep!~sep@2a04:2747:7e0b:d700:52e5:49ff:feeb:32> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:02:28] *** sep <sep!~sep@2a04:2747:7e0b:d700:52e5:49ff:feeb:32> has joined #postfix[02:02:43] <lunaphyte> no really, no[02:04:02] <lunaphyte> sessions start as plaintext[02:29:15] <sigise> lunaphyte: A telnet session, never invoking TLS, if successful, would simply demonstrate the ability of the server to accepted "no-TLS" email[02:30:42] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[02:32:50] <jaybe> if tls is not initiated, there is nothing to fall back to. there is already plain text happening.[02:33:35] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[02:35:56] <jaybe> speaking plain text doesn't imply nor guarantee exchanging/accepting email for further delivery; just chatting at the door ;)[02:53:14] <sigise> jaybe: Sure. But a successful manual no-TLS telnet session *send* of an email, does -- correct?[02:53:51] <jaybe> if a client is stupid enough to be programmed to send a communication/email anyway, even while not within an encrypted TLS stream, yes[02:54:14] <jaybe> typically, the client would need to be heavily broken to behave in such a way[02:55:15] <sigise> i.e. that's a sufficient 'test'? (the context of this^ is a vendor who trying to 'blame' their inability to send to us on our server's inability to accept non-TLS email. yes, they're FUBAR'd.)[02:55:51] <jaybe> so, what's your question?[02:57:17] <sigise> If my server OFFERS starttls (it does), and their client fails to negotiate TLS correctly -- for whatever reason that's out of my hands -- I'd simply like to "prove" that the "fallback if TLS doesn't work" actually works.[02:57:21] <sigise> It's some payment billing system on their end. I'm just gathering the "no, sorry, it IS you people" details[02:58:25] <jaybe> so you want to know if another mail server connecting to your mail server for the purposes of delivering some mail, ... can do so-- without tls[02:58:27] <sigise> Personally, I've never send a non-TLS (or before, SSL) encrypted session/email. So just a bit unsure of whether I'm 'breaking' this in the right way.[02:58:34] <sigise> Yes.[02:59:00] <sigise> I _think_ the send-via-telnet does it ....[02:59:06] <jaybe> did you do so?[02:59:28] <sigise> Yes, and it went through. Recevied it on my end just fine. And no trace of TLS in the headers.[02:59:55] *** zulutango <zulutango!~zulutango@static-n49-176-171-248.mas2.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:00:00] <jaybe> that sounds like a reasonable and successful test then[03:00:18] <jaybe> and how opportunistic connection upgrades are expected to function[03:00:56] <sigise> Fair enuf. Thanks. Kindof difficult to replicate a "this is how your broken sender should work" use case.[03:01:13] <jaybe> and of course, aside, that's how internet-facing mail servers must be configured[03:02:33] <sigise> A day doesn't go by that I'd *like* to s/may/encrypted/ in my postfix config ...[03:03:28] <lunaphyte> sigise: yes, that was my point. there is no "fallback" occurring. it's just continuing with no change[03:03:47] <lunaphyte> iow, there's no special protocol or method needed[03:04:14] <sigise> Ok. Wasn't clear on how that's supposed to really work. Am now. Appreciated.[03:05:59] <lunaphyte> well, that may not be quite what you describe here[03:06:30] <lunaphyte> there is a difference between not attempting encryption, and attempting but failing encryption[03:06:44] <sigise> Hm. The 'continuing with no change' is what happens when the offer to use STARTTLS is not accepted. What happens, or should happen, if they DO take the offer, and screw up the TLS handshake -- so that it fails? Does postfix DROP the connection? Or renegotiate the transaction without TLS, with 'no change'?[03:06:55] <lunaphyte> is the sender attempting encryption and then failing? that would be in your logs if so[03:06:55] <sigise> Ah. Heh. That^[03:08:04] <sigise> Well, therein lies the rub. They're NOT getting to my server -- nothing in MY logs. But claim they are. And have faked some logs on their end. We're ripping into those. I just want to be clear on how thing DO work, and are supposed to work. So I can then demonstrate.[03:08:18] <lunaphyte> !tell sigise nologs[03:08:18] <knoba> sigise: "nologs" : Nothing in your mail logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question. also see !logs.[03:08:59] <sigise> Um. No. I get plenty of logging for 10Ks of msgs. I get no logs from THEM. The problem is not me.[03:09:02] <lunaphyte> while not terribly likely, it is possible that, from their perspective, they think they are getting to your server[03:09:12] <lunaphyte> huh?[03:09:28] <lunaphyte> i'm not sure what you mean by "um. no,"[03:09:36] <jaybe> syslog being broken[03:09:45] <jaybe> re:[03:09:46] <lunaphyte> as you said, the connections are not coming to your server, just as the factoid states.[03:09:52] <lunaphyte> so that would be a yes ;)[03:10:55] <lunaphyte> anyway, sometimes mail flow and infrastructure is misunderstood, and they see some server delivering to some other server and have invented that it is yours[03:11:15] <sigise> It's not my syslog, it's not my dns, it's not my firewall, it's not my networking.[03:11:23] <sigise> Anyway, I understand what I need to. Thanks.[03:11:24] <lunaphyte> or, more rare, truly believe that it is, and do not know that there is something proxying connections they make to you[03:11:57] <jaybe> they're probably tripping on their own outbound proxy that didn't get the updated whitelist ;)[03:12:09] <sigise> No, they're trying to scam us. But that has nothing to do with my questions above.[03:13:26] *** sigise <sigise!94871@bolt.sonic.net> has quit IRC (Quit: sigise)[03:14:48] *** bran__ <bran__!~bran__@119.65.25.7> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:23:24] *** DaRock <DaRock!~Thunderbi@150.101.178.33> has joined #postfix[03:24:49] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[03:25:01] <DaRock> Hi guys. Is there any way to adjust the domain portion of an auth prior to passing to saslauthd?[03:28:06] <lunaphyte> no[03:28:10] <lunaphyte> !tell DaRock xy[03:28:11] <knoba> DaRock: "xy" : (#1) The XY problem is that you want to do X, but don't know how. You think that you can solve X by doing Y, so you ask us how to do Y. We tell you that's an odd problem to want to solve. Just ask us about the real problem., or (#2) http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem -- I want to do X, but I'm asking how to do Y...[03:29:41] <DaRock> then is there a way to tell sasl to uppercase the domain?[03:30:28] <lunaphyte> that would be a question for the community that supports cyrus[03:30:31] <lunaphyte> but why?[03:30:31] <DaRock> as for XY, well I know this is the way to solve the issue, sasl is getting the domain portion lowercase, and fails auth[03:30:39] <lunaphyte> what's the actual problem?[03:30:40] <DaRock> what community?[03:30:49] <lunaphyte> the community that supports cyrus[03:30:57] <DaRock> AFAIK nothing has been done in over a decade[03:31:05] <lunaphyte> there might be a freenode channel, not sure[03:31:18] <lunaphyte> or maybe mailing lists or something[03:31:26] <lunaphyte> it varies from community to community[03:31:32] <DaRock> the docs are few, and only recipes at that[03:31:56] <DaRock> I've searched high and low, but nothing seems to exist[03:32:03] <lunaphyte> sorry to hear that[03:32:11] <lunaphyte> dovecot has good documentation[03:32:23] <lunaphyte> that's one reason it's recommended rather than cyrus[03:32:35] <DaRock> yeah, I got dovecot working just nicely - just can't get this[03:33:03] <DaRock> already built cyrus though, and cyrus is used not dovecot everywhere else[03:33:10] <lunaphyte> if you have dovecot working, why are you fiddling with cyrus?[03:34:07] *** _cr_ <_cr_!~quassel@srv.ncxs.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[03:34:33] *** crosen <crosen!~crosen@srv.ncxs.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[03:36:44] <rob0> Wait ... do you say you're using Cyrus SASL and Dovecot IMAP? The choice of Cyrus SASL is especially odd in that case.[03:38:31] <rob0> I'm surprised that it would be treating domain names as case sensitive; that would seem to be a bug, because by definition domain names are NOT case sensitive.[03:38:38] *** zulutango <zulutango!~zulutango@static-n49-176-171-248.mas2.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has joined #postfix[03:39:13] <lunaphyte> it's also important to note that in terms of auth, there is no local part nor domain part[03:39:19] <DaRock> I wasn't originally using dovecot until yesterday - I was spending days forking around with ..... courier. I gave up yesterday and got dovecot going so quick it'd make your head spin[03:39:35] <lunaphyte> the string used, in that context is *not* an email address. it's a user name. a single string[03:39:55] <lunaphyte> so you have dovecot work, which means no need for cyrus.[03:40:04] <lunaphyte> *working[03:40:21] <DaRock> when you're using kerberos it makes a hell of a diff - I need the client to auth with a domain, but that needs to be a realm in kerberos speak[03:40:40] <lunaphyte> yes but that happens LONg after postfix[03:40:43] <lunaphyte> *LONG[03:41:37] <DaRock> maybe, but with perl I could simply uppercase part of the auth_user and away we'd go[03:41:54] <DaRock> I just have no idea what the variable would be in postfix[03:42:06] <DaRock> or whether it would even allow it[03:42:17] <lunaphyte> it's not relevant to postfix[03:42:28] <DaRock> I was thinking of using local_domain[03:43:03] <DaRock> how is it not relevant? Postfix is in perl, and is passing on the data[03:44:55] <Reinhilde> "postfix is in perl"[03:45:00] <Reinhilde> lie of the century[03:45:15] <DaRock> ?[03:45:26] <Reinhilde> i thought postfix was in C[03:45:48] <DaRock> when did that change?[03:45:58] *** _cr_ <_cr_!~quassel@srv.ncxs.de> has joined #postfix[03:46:05] *** nomeed <nomeed!~nomeed@p54A2420F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:47:07] *** nomeed <nomeed!~nomeed@p54A241C0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[03:47:20] <DaRock> interesting. I was told years ago it was written in perl...[03:48:38] <DaRock> anyway, any reason why postconf -a and postconf -A would differ?[03:48:48] <rob0> yeah[03:49:41] <rob0> Client SASL is only implemented in Cyrus.[03:50:04] <rob0> do you need client SASL?[03:51:21] <lunaphyte> postfix is in perl?[03:51:22] <DaRock> are you saying dovecot sasl is builtin to the server, but it cannot be builtin when postfix is a client?[03:51:28] <lunaphyte> when did that change?[03:51:37] <lunaphyte> this is beyond bizarre...[03:51:37] <DaRock> apparently not :/[03:51:47] <lunaphyte> it did not change, ever. because it never was...[03:52:00] <lunaphyte> i have no idea where on earth you would ever have gotten that idea[03:52:01] <rob0> no, I am talking about "client SASL" vs. "server SASL"[03:52:04] <rob0> !sasl[03:52:04] <knoba> rob0: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.[03:52:05] <DaRock> then I was told BS a long time ago then[03:52:06] <jimpop> postfix is in Go.[03:52:22] <rob0> !smtp!=smtpd[03:52:22] <knoba> rob0: "smtp!=smtpd" : Postfix smtp_* and smtpd_* configuration parameters have different meanings. smtp_ = client and smtpd_ = server, the client-side sends mail whilst the server-side receives mail. (smtp = client = sends mail) (smtpd = server = receives mail)[03:52:36] <DaRock> huh... good to know then[03:53:28] <jimpop> the double negatives on !smtp!=smtpd are confusing[03:53:32] <DaRock> robO: got that, but you're saying the client cannot use dovecot?[03:53:43] <DaRock> lol[03:54:10] <rob0> Dovecot only implements server SASL, yes.[03:54:35] <rob0> which is not a problem unless you need client SASL[03:55:19] <DaRock> so if I'm transporting between postfix to dovecot using lmtp is that going to be an issue?[03:56:22] <DaRock> cause I though transport should be free :-)[03:56:26] <rob0> client SASL means you have to AUTH at some other server to send [some of] your mail[03:56:54] <lunaphyte> relaying from postfix to dovecot via lmtp is the correct method, yes. but that has nothing to do with sasl[03:57:34] <DaRock> ok so I should be ok then with the local delvery then? I'm switching from damn maildrop if I can help it[03:58:17] <lunaphyte> i'm not sure what you mean local delivery[03:58:31] <lunaphyte> if you are relaying to dovecot, then dovecot is handling delivery. not local(8)[03:58:37] <DaRock> final leg to actual mailbox[03:59:04] <lunaphyte> that's all internal to dovecot. it has nothing to do with postfix nor with sasl[03:59:10] <DaRock> sorry - forgot that was other terminology in postfix :-)[03:59:24] <DaRock> good to know[03:59:26] <lunaphyte> postfix relays to dovecot, via lmtp, and that's it. once dovecot accepts the message, postfix is done[03:59:51] <DaRock> now why have I been wasting all this damn time with courier.... hmmmm[04:00:08] <DaRock> and no sasl required. So good[04:00:24] <lunaphyte> more than likely, sieve, which is provided by dovecot, can replace maildrop[04:00:59] <DaRock> ?[04:01:10] <DaRock> I thought lmtp was the way to go?[04:01:23] <DaRock> it has a plugin to seive[04:01:31] <DaRock> sieve*[04:01:41] <DaRock> and lda was the maildrop equiv[04:01:51] <lunaphyte> typically, people use maildrop to sort mail, or perform other actions during delivery[04:01:52] <DaRock> or have I got it all mixed up?[04:02:07] <lunaphyte> if you want that, use sieve[04:02:07] <DaRock> typically maildrop is a PITA[04:02:21] <DaRock> and authlib...[04:03:29] <DaRock> yeah that's all true - but I believe dovecot shifted that to plugin with lmtp... haven't really looked yet - just need mail to work :-)[04:04:24] <lunaphyte> the two are unrelated[04:04:39] <lunaphyte> you seem to think many things are more related than they actually are :)[04:04:50] <DaRock> how are they unrelated?[04:05:47] <DaRock> AFAIK, lmtp receives the message from postfix, passes it through any plugins and then the message is delivered to final dest[04:06:13] <Reinhilde> glep[04:06:43] <lunaphyte> whether or not sieve is used is unrelated to whether or not lmtp is used[04:06:57] <lunaphyte> the two are orthogonal[04:07:03] <DaRock> according to dovecot, the lda behaves like maildrop in that it operates as a command rather than a protocol, and can also use seive to filter[04:07:32] <DaRock> I see where you're coming from now[04:11:02] <Reinhilde> ????/[04:11:59] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: cemotyz09)[04:23:16] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:b18:581:10:3d03:bf52:9ce5:45b9> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:23:58] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:b18:581:10:942f:9203:d0fa:ef66> has joined #postfix[04:26:57] *** pinPoint <pinPoint!~pinPoint@about/windows/regular/pinpoint> has quit IRC (Quit: Incoming fire has the right of way.)[04:31:08] *** chachasmooth_ 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I can send and recive mails in localhost, but only recive mail from outside...[10:17:45] *** somepoortech <somepoortech!~somepoort@72-0-128-212.static.firstlight.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[10:28:42] <survietamine> maybe you can give details about "my mails" and "outside"[10:33:27] *** somepoortech__ <somepoortech__!~somepoort@72-0-128-212.static.firstlight.net> has joined #postfix[10:36:57] *** somepoortech_ <somepoortech_!~somepoort@72-0-128-212.static.firstlight.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[10:43:39] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[10:48:12] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[11:05:05] *** somepoortech_ <somepoortech_!~somepoort@72-0-128-212.static.firstlight.net> has joined #postfix[11:08:45] *** somepoortech__ <somepoortech__!~somepoort@72-0-128-212.static.firstlight.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[11:09:59] <alnx> ss942, check if your smtp relay is reachable and you can able to telnet on port 25[11:13:49] <alnx> for qmail, i can do kill -ALRM to tell qmail flush the queue. what is the kill command eq. for postfix (i am aware of postqueue -f / postfix flush)[11:18:57] <ss942> alnx: "postsuper -d ALL" would remove all mails from queue. (not sure if it's what you asked because of my weak english)[11:21:50] <alnx> lemme rephrase, how to flush postfix que via kill command[11:22:14] <alnx> flush postqueue using kill command?[11:22:42] <alnx> postfix queue*[11:22:55] <survietamine> lol[11:44:29] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[11:45:01] <ukleinek> If I want to remove a mail from the queue, I can use postsuper, can I also somehow manually expire a mail?[11:47:12] <survietamine> what do you mean with expire?[11:49:02] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[11:49:34] <ukleinek> survietamine: that the sender gets a reply that the mail couldn't be deleivered[11:51:03] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@95.233.165.118> has joined #postfix[11:51:42] <ukleinek> the underlaying thought is: There is some spam sent to a mailing list and the queue is full of replies about the mail not being forwarded because the sender isn't on the list[11:52:02] *** cromag <cromag!~cromag@irssi/user/cromag> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[11:53:34] <ukleinek> now hoping that mailman can handle the notification, this might help me to not have to manually handle these mails twice (i.e. remove from queue + delete original spam from mailman moderation queue)[12:16:08] *** somepoortech__ <somepoortech__!~somepoort@72-0-128-212.static.firstlight.net> has joined #postfix[12:16:34] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[12:19:35] *** somepoortech_ <somepoortech_!~somepoort@72-0-128-212.static.firstlight.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:23:23] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has joined #postfix[12:25:39] <alnx> hi, i need indepth sysadmin documentation of postfix, please point me (sysadmin documentation = explicit coverage on the functionality of postfix and its operations at kernel level, not the documentation limited to config files)[12:32:25] <colo-work> what's the problem you actually want to solve?[12:33:05] <colo-work> (because for what you request, you read the source code, and the source code of your systems C library, and then some)[12:33:19] <colo-work> system's*[12:35:22] <alnx> it is with postfix + mailscanner, which i am trying to get to work[12:37:38] <alnx> please help, do you know, i get emails as postfix queue compatible files, i want to get them delivered with postfix, by putting in maildrop queue or something similar[12:38:02] <alnx> i tried postfix flush but it is not at all working, nothing written in logs[12:38:44] <alnx> how to notify the master process of the mail which i just placed in maildrop directory[12:45:14] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[12:46:08] <Kelsar> alnx: you are still on that? well, read the source of maildrop[12:47:01] <Kelsar> alnx: and you don't use "kill" to contorl postfix queues at all[12:50:45] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[12:51:26] <alnx> Kelsar: thanks. but let me know if there are any such documents available. if no, then i have glue my b**t to my chair :/[12:51:51] <alnx> to*[12:52:39] <Kelsar> injecting mails that way is not a good idea at all, also the psotfix page has a overview how components interact, if that is not enough, you need to read the code[12:57:51] <alnx> thank you very much[13:04:44] *** somepoortech_ <somepoortech_!~somepoort@72-0-128-212.static.firstlight.net> has joined #postfix[13:04:48] <tuxick> what is "postfix compatible fules" ?[13:04:53] <tuxick> files[13:08:00] *** somepoortech <somepoortech!~somepoort@72-0-128-212.static.firstlight.net> has joined #postfix[13:08:01] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@78.124.32.107> has joined #postfix[13:08:26] *** somepoortech__ <somepoortech__!~somepoort@72-0-128-212.static.firstlight.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:10:35] *** somepoortech_ <somepoortech_!~somepoort@72-0-128-212.static.firstlight.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:10:59] <alnx> tuxick: like the format of emails queued in postfix, not flat text files[13:12:23] <tuxick> how/why are you getting those?[13:13:26] <alnx> it is the mailscanner writing them in some directory, i want to inject them in to postfix[13:13:36] <patdk-lap> !mailscanner[13:13:36] <knoba> patdk-lap: "mailscanner" : don't you dare! mailscanner uses direct manipulation of postfix queues, employing undocumented methods, which may potentially change without warning at any point. there are much better ways for this sort of thing. consider amavisd-new instead.[13:13:37] <tuxick> ah[13:13:41] <alnx> for delivery[13:13:54] <tuxick> right[13:14:04] <tuxick> trying to unbreak bad software :)[13:14:50] <tuxick> wasn't that a thing like catting it through sendmail ?[13:16:04] <tuxick> assuming it's really complete[13:17:36] <alnx> correct, mailx/mutt/sendmail all expects mandatory "to" argument from cli, else they bailing out with error[13:18:50] *** section1 <section1!~section1@152.168.219.137> has joined #postfix[13:18:54] <patdk-lap> well, it is mandatory, it's part of the email spec[13:19:03] <tuxick> alnx: sendmail -t ?[13:19:30] <alnx> the message file has only one continuous line with various special character delimit, for sender, recipient, mime headers etc[13:19:51] <tuxick> then it's NOT a normal "postfix compatible file"[13:20:12] <tuxick> so you'll need to find some way to fix that first i guess[13:23:23] <alnx> ok. is it posible to rewrite them?[13:26:41] *** zulutango <zulutango!~zulutango@static-n49-176-171-248.mas2.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[13:30:56] <alnx> tuxick: thank you[13:33:10] *** ageis <ageis!~kevin@cointel.pro> has joined #postfix[13:33:33] *** ageis is now known as Guest24343[13:40:44] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Example: offices in London, Paris, Berlin with the same domain. Thks[16:11:48] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has joined #postfix[16:15:02] *** somepoortech__ <somepoortech__!~somepoort@72-0-128-212.static.firstlight.net> has joined #postfix[16:15:19] *** cpm <cpm!~cpm@pdpc/supporter/active/cpm> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:15:42] *** cpm <cpm!~cpm@pdpc/supporter/active/cpm> has joined #postfix[16:16:52] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[16:17:29] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has joined #postfix[16:18:20] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has quit IRC (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)[16:18:30] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has joined #postfix[16:19:09] <patdk-lap> hmm, postfix doesn't care[16:19:17] *** somepoortech_ <somepoortech_!~somepoort@72-0-128-212.static.firstlight.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[16:19:22] <patdk-lap> there is nothing to distribute and no issues to take are of[16:19:28] *** Death_rattle__ <Death_rattle__!~death@200116b82004ce0009af527dde88992c.dip.versatel-1u1.de> has joined #postfix[16:19:33] <patdk-lap> it's the exact same as setting up multible mx servers[16:20:24] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[16:23:46] <emaia> there is no "special" configuration like Qmail wich has QMQP ?[16:25:23] <patdk-lap> qmail? qmail hasn't had a security patch for >12years[16:25:38] <rob0> 20+[16:25:59] <rob0> h, you're right, netqmail[16:26:10] <rob0> 2005[16:26:17] <patdk-lap> I don't get what qmqp has to do with anything[16:26:25] <rob0> !qmqp[16:26:25] <knoba> rob0: Error: "qmqp" is not a valid command.[16:26:56] <patdk-lap> qmqp is a solution looking for a problem[16:27:48] <patdk-lap> and I don't see how it relates at all to distributed servers[16:27:55] <patdk-lap> it's only for a localized HA cluster[16:28:01] <patdk-lap> and multisite != local HA[16:28:17] <rob0> http://www.postfix.org/QMQP_README.html was removed, if it was ever even written[16:29:24] <rob0> MX distribution is pretty simple; the hard part is the mailstore distribution, and that is a #dovecot issue[16:29:44] <rob0> see the documetation of Dovecot's "director"[16:29:45] <patdk-lap> or osmething else[16:29:49] <patdk-lap> it all depends on the goals[16:29:57] <patdk-lap> must the mailstore be multisite HA[16:30:07] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[16:30:08] <patdk-lap> do you want users mailstore to be local to the user[16:30:10] <patdk-lap> ....[16:30:44] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has joined #postfix[16:32:32] <emaia> it's not for HA[16:33:06] <emaia> each user has local mailstore. The user information is on LDAP[16:35:12] <emaia> i'm migrate QMAIL (qmail-ldap with some patches) to Postfix. The qmail check where user mailbox is located and exchange the emails between the servers using QMQP instance of SMTP[16:35:40] <rob0> !qmqpd[16:35:40] <knoba> rob0: "qmqpd" : Postfix support for QMQP, such as it is: http://www.postfix.org/qmqpd.8.html[16:36:09] <emaia> my question, was if Postfix had na option like that, but seems it's only for Qmail integration, so i need to user another solution, right?[16:36:21] <rob0> I wouldn't count on that, since everyone seems to have lost interest in qmail[16:36:53] <emaia> rob0: yes, qmail is past, and i want future with Postfix :D[16:37:29] <rob0> Again, look at director[16:38:19] <emaia> rob0: i will look and test it[16:38:21] <emaia> thks[16:41:38] <patdk-lap> emaia, there is no other solution needed[16:41:45] <patdk-lap> qmqp is not needed in qmail at all[16:41:50] <tuxick> the final solution is there![16:42:05] <patdk-lap> I dont even see what the benifit of qmtp is[16:42:18] <patdk-lap> smtp handles a single email to 1000 recipients very quickly[16:42:40] <patdk-lap> all you have to do is tell postfix a single thing[16:42:48] *** synthroid <synthroid!synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:42:54] <patdk-lap> what users go to lmtp, and what users go to your other lmtp[16:43:17] <patdk-lap> and it's all solved for you, using the normal methods in virutal[16:43:19] <patdk-lap> !virtual[16:43:20] <knoba> patdk-lap: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and mailboxes that do not require individual system accounts. See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html[16:43:36] <patdk-lap> a single normal virtual ldap map or whatevber backend you want[16:44:04] <patdk-lap> personally when doing something like this, I would do it in 3 layers[16:44:17] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[16:44:18] <patdk-lap> outside mx, inside mta, and mda lmtp[16:45:15] <patdk-lap> but the inside mta is not needed at all, just generally gives alittle flexability[16:46:09] <emaia> the big problem is the server do mta and mda at same time[16:46:25] <patdk-lap> as I just said that is NOT an issue at all[16:46:29] <patdk-lap> so what is the big problem?[16:46:35] <patdk-lap> I do it, and it isn't hard at all[16:46:41] <patdk-lap> no harder than a single server doing it[16:47:02] <patdk-lap> mta = postfix, mda = dovecot[16:47:12] <patdk-lap> I dunno why it would be a *big* problem for the same server to run both programs[16:47:48] <emaia> the mda must be the dovecot ? ou can be the Postfix ?[16:48:12] <patdk-lap> the mda can be anything you want[16:48:17] <patdk-lap> but it will NOT be postfix[16:49:09] <patdk-lap> !mda[16:49:09] <knoba> patdk-lap: "mda" : Mail Delivery Agent: software that delivers mail messages to individual recipient mailboxes after they've been accepted by an MTA. Postfix includes local(8) and virtual(8) MDAs, or can be configured to use an external one such as !procmail or !dovecot_lmtp.[16:50:45] <patdk-lap> basically, if you use any mailbox mangement program (dovecot, courier, cyrus) you should use their own mda[16:51:13] <patdk-lap> using postfix's mda would be half insane to use, when the one designed for the mailbox your using is there to be used and is much more compatable with what it does[16:51:34] *** ss942 <ss942!~krystian@router.dir.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[16:51:34] <patdk-lap> I have postfix feeding some exchange mda's[16:53:59] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[16:55:57] <emaia> patdk-lap: i will check the Dovecot MDA[16:56:25] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has joined #postfix[16:58:33] <emaia> i have another issue: user1 on London send an email to user2 located on Paris Server. This user2 has an email forward to an external domain. The problem, it the forward is made on London server instance of Paris server[17:00:42] <emaia> The problem, it the forward is made on London server[17:00:51] <emaia> instead of Paris server[17:01:14] <patdk-lap> I dunno why that is even an issue[17:01:31] <patdk-lap> adding in the paris servers lowers reliability[17:05:09] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has joined #postfix[17:05:24] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[17:06:10] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:06:14] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has joined #postfix[17:08:16] <emaia> i want the emails be processed only on the server where is the mailbox[17:09:20] <emaia> because i have email "forwards" duplicates[17:09:36] <patdk-lap> then you need to not let postfix know about these *forwards*[17:11:05] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[17:11:24] <emaia> yes, but the information is on LDAP and i have just one LDAP for all offices[17:12:13] *** synthroid <synthroid!synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has joined #postfix[17:12:55] *** Guest24343 <Guest24343!~kevin@cointel.pro> has left #postfix[17:13:16] <patdk-lap> and?[17:13:31] <patdk-lap> that doesn't mean you have to read the ldap data the same way in every office[17:14:14] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…)[17:22:55] <emaia> with this configuration the user2 did not received the email[17:23:23] <patdk-lap> ya, so you didn't do it correctly[17:23:56] <patdk-lap> but it's all theoredical and wags[17:24:00] <patdk-lap> !tell emaia wag[17:24:00] <knoba> emaia: "wag" : WAG: Wild-assed guess ... rarely, if ever, of much use in debugging problems. 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Please stop using it. See http://dsbl.org/node/7 for details.[20:51:32] <rob0> !opm[20:51:32] <knoba> rob0: Error: "opm" is not a valid command.[20:51:38] *** somepoortech_ <somepoortech_!~somepoort@72-0-128-26.static.firstlight.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[20:52:24] <rob0> !blitzed[20:52:24] <knoba> rob0: Error: "blitzed" is not a valid command.[20:52:34] <rob0> well, that one is LONG dead also[20:52:58] <Gaaab> but *spamhaus.org are working[20:53:01] <rob0> also,[20:53:04] <rob0> !zen[20:53:04] <knoba> rob0: "zen" : http://www.spamhaus.org/zen/ : A composite of all Spamhaus DNSBLs: SBL, XBL and PBL. Testing your DNSBL lookup can be done here: http://www.crynwr.com/spam/[20:53:44] <patdk-lap> so many spamhaus rbl's[20:54:00] <rob0> you only need one Spamhaus lookup. It does not make sense to skip XBL, especially since you're already querying it in CBL.[20:55:06] <Gaaab> right[20:55:33] <rob0> on the mailserver, "dig 2.0.0.127.<name-of-failing-but-not-closed-dnsbl> any"[20:56:22] <rob0> If it was DSBL, you already have your answer.[20:56:40] <Gaaab> they all fail[20:56:55] <patdk-lap> then you have an local dns issue[20:57:05] <rob0> < Gaaab> but *spamhaus.org are working[20:57:19] <patdk-lap> so, random diagnostics[20:58:09] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[20:58:24] *** somepoortech_ <somepoortech_!~somepoort@72-0-128-26.static.firstlight.net> has joined #postfix[20:58:27] <rob0> on the mailserver, "dig 2.0.0.127.<name-of-failing-but-not-closed-dnsbl> any @127.0.0.1" <- make a pastebin of results[20:59:31] <rob0> I'm not familiar with proxies.blackholes.wirehub.net, but I think blackholes.easynet.nl is long gone.[21:01:02] *** danjel <danjel!~danjel@85.83.142.134> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:01:27] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has joined #postfix[21:02:07] *** somepoortech__ <somepoortech__!~somepoort@72-0-128-212.static.firstlight.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[21:03:24] <Gaaab> 2.0.0.127.cbl.abuseat.org. 2100 IN A 127.0.0.2[21:03:24] <Gaaab> 2.0.0.127.cbl.abuseat.org. 2100 IN TXT "Blocked - see http://www.abuseat.org/lookup.cgi?ip=127.0.0.2"[21:03:41] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[21:05:10] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:05:10] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[21:05:31] <rob0> so that one works, although with zen it wouldn't be needed[21:06:06] <Gaaab> 2.0.0.127.sbl.spamhaus.org. 60 IN A 127.0.0.2[21:06:07] <Gaaab> 2.0.0.127.sbl.spamhaus.org. 60 IN TXT "https://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/query/SBL2"[21:06:25] <Gaaab> i read blocked on the first dig[21:08:14] *** section1 <section1!~section1@152.168.219.137> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:09:07] <rob0> Did you look at the link they gave you? I guess not?[21:09:28] *** pinPoint <pinPoint!~pinPoint@about/windows/regular/pinpoint> has joined #postfix[21:09:58] <Gaaab> the spamhaus.org web page[21:16:32] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[21:17:04] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has joined #postfix[21:20:26] <Gaaab> dns_query: 1.1.1.1.zen.spamhaus.org (A): Host not found[21:21:26] <Gaaab> i ll check unbound it sould work out of the box isn'it ?[21:23:23] <Gaaab> it's not[21:29:21] <Gaaab> unbound looked to have good defaults i commented out port 53 and it's listening on both tcp and udp tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 30197/unbound[21:29:21] <Gaaab> udp 0 0 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:* 30197/unbound[21:30:08] <Gaaab> i have removed comment on port 53 sorry[21:30:55] <Gaaab> dns_query: 1.1.1.1.zen.spamhaus.org (A): Host not found[21:31:18] *** Ry3nlNaToR <Ry3nlNaToR!~Ry3nlNaTo@unaffiliated/ry3nlnator> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:31:42] *** rwb <rwb!~Thunderbi@74.85.159.242> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:40:02] *** somepoortech__ <somepoortech__!~somepoort@72-0-128-212.static.firstlight.net> has joined #postfix[21:42:20] *** edux <edux!~edux@host202.181-9-122.telecom.net.ar> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[21:43:05] *** somepoortech_ <somepoortech_!~somepoort@72-0-128-26.static.firstlight.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:45:24] *** KaiForce <KaiForce!~chatzilla@99.133.184.129> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 52.6.0/20180118122319])[21:46:07] *** MacWinner <MacWinner!~Blah@136.24.54.73> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[21:52:17] <Gaaab> i'm reading spamhaus usage terms and i don't fit iny usage criteria, i don't understand[21:54:10] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[21:55:35] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has joined #postfix[22:18:56] *** mattcen <mattcen!~mattcen@c122-108-68-124.sunsh1.vic.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[22:20:18] *** mattcen <mattcen!~mattcen@c122-108-68-124.sunsh1.vic.optusnet.com.au> has joined #postfix[22:41:07] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[22:41:20] *** rwb <rwb!~Thunderbi@65.183.151.121> has joined #postfix[22:41:32] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has joined #postfix[22:50:15] *** synthroid <synthroid!synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has quit IRC ()[22:52:37] <Gaaab> ping: zen.spamhaus.org: No address associated with hostname[22:52:51] <Gaaab> still not resolving[22:53:26] <Gaaab> unbound is lisetning on tcp and udp port 53[23:02:32] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[23:05:58] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has joined #postfix[23:10:55] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[23:11:07] *** somepoortech_ <somepoortech_!~somepoort@72-0-128-26.static.firstlight.net> has joined #postfix[23:14:31] *** zulutango <zulutango!~zulutango@static-n49-176-171-248.mas2.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has joined #postfix[23:14:39] *** somepoortech__ <somepoortech__!~somepoort@72-0-128-212.static.firstlight.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[23:16:07] *** somepoortech__ <somepoortech__!~somepoort@72-0-128-212.static.firstlight.net> has joined #postfix[23:16:19] *** somepoortech_ <somepoortech_!~somepoort@72-0-128-26.static.firstlight.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:16:44] *** somepoortech_ <somepoortech_!~somepoort@72-0-128-26.static.firstlight.net> has joined #postfix[23:20:54] *** somepoortech__ <somepoortech__!~somepoort@72-0-128-212.static.firstlight.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:22:06] *** MACscr <MACscr!~MACscr@c-73-9-230-5.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[23:24:08] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[23:29:38] *** aro_ <aro_!~aro@c-71-227-127-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has quit IRC ()[23:32:16] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has joined #postfix[23:36:42] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:37:35] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has joined #postfix[23:46:35] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[23:51:26] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@beryllium.d9c.eu> has joined #postfix