February 13, 2018 
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http://znc.in)[03:48:57] *** nomeed <nomeed!~nomeed@p54A242CC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[03:50:09] *** nomeed <nomeed!~nomeed@p54A24DAA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[03:57:36] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@95.233.165.118> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:04:00] *** infernix <infernix!nix@unaffiliated/infernix> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[04:12:01] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[04:14:07] *** chachasmooth_ <chachasmooth_!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[04:14:11] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[04:15:24] *** DTZUZO <DTZUZO!~DTZUZO@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0)[04:19:44] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[04:28:10] *** moe__ <moe__!~moe@one.ttg.ovh> has joined #postfix[04:29:52] *** DTZUZO <DTZUZO!~DTZUZO@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has joined #postfix[04:30:27] *** moe_ <moe_!~moe@196.201.200.109> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:37:05] *** infernix <infernix!nix@unaffiliated/infernix> has joined #postfix[04:38:49] *** moe__ <moe__!~moe@one.ttg.ovh> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[04:39:12] *** moe__ <moe__!~moe@one.ttg.ovh> has joined #postfix[04:54:59] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[05:11:41] *** aindilis <aindilis!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[05:15:55] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[05:20:33] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[05:30:32] *** magyar <magyar!~magyar@unaffiliated/magyar> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:30:58] *** magyar <magyar!~magyar@unaffiliated/magyar> has joined #postfix[05:32:51] <thumbs> !submissions[05:32:51] <knoba> thumbs: "submissions" : RFC 8314 renames the old smtps port, 465/tcp, to submissions, with implicit TLS rather than explicit STARTTLS via a plaintext TCP connection. Postfix can implement submissions with a separate smtpd(8) listener with \" -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes\". See the commented example in master.cf.[05:37:34] *** ih8wndz <ih8wndz!~jwpierce3@mail.trunkmasters.com> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)[05:51:04] *** aindilis <aindilis!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has joined #postfix[06:00:25] *** Darcidride__ <Darcidride__!~Darcidrid@194.2.202.81> has joined #postfix[06:01:23] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@194.2.202.81> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:02:40] *** magyar <magyar!~magyar@unaffiliated/magyar> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:03:08] *** magyar <magyar!~magyar@unaffiliated/magyar> has joined #postfix[06:07:32] <pj> !smtps[06:07:32] <knoba> pj: "smtps" : A deprecated name for port 465; see !submissions and RFC 8314. See also !submission and !tls and !sasl[06:08:02] <pj> thumbs: update !submissions to note that the actual entry in master.cf is labeled as "smtps"[06:08:29] <thumbs> let's see if rob0 gave me access[06:09:15] <pj> oh, I just assumed you put that entry in there.[06:09:48] <thumbs> !forget submissions[06:09:55] <thumbs> !submissions[06:09:55] <knoba> thumbs: Error: "submissions" is not a valid command.[06:10:03] <thumbs> oh, apparently, yes.[06:10:45] <pj> I would do this, actually...[06:11:36] <pj> Port 465, previously known as smtps, is submissions. ...[06:12:15] <lunaphyte> tbh, i'm not sure i'd even mention smtps at all at this point[06:12:31] <thumbs> now I'm torn[06:15:30] *** DTZUZU <DTZUZU!~DTZUZU@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.9)[06:16:47] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[06:17:08] <thumbs> and I feel like restoring the old factoid for now, because I won't make up my mind before I have to run[06:17:39] *** ih8wndz <ih8wndz!~jwpierce3@mail.trunkmasters.com> has joined #postfix[06:18:08] <thumbs> !learn submissions as RFC 8314 renames the old smtps port, 465/tcp, to submissions, with implicit TLS rather than explicit STARTTLS via a plaintext TCP connection. Postfix can implement submissions with a separate smtpd(8) listener with \" -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes\". See the commented example in master.cf.[06:18:14] <thumbs> !sumissions[06:18:14] <knoba> thumbs: Error: "sumissions" is not a valid command.[06:18:19] <thumbs> !submissions[06:18:19] <knoba> thumbs: "submissions" : RFC 8314 renames the old smtps port, 465/tcp, to submissions, with implicit TLS rather than explicit STARTTLS via a plaintext TCP connection. Postfix can implement submissions with a separate smtpd(8) listener with \" -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes\". See the commented example in master.cf.[06:21:37] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[06:28:28] *** DTZUZU <DTZUZU!~DTZUZU@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has joined #postfix[06:39:33] *** troys <troys!~troys@23-24-139-177-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye)[06:43:00] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@icookc.lnk.telstra.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[06:45:45] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@icookc.lnk.telstra.net> has joined #postfix[07:04:13] *** led_ir22 <led_ir22!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Quit: led_ir22)[07:06:04] *** ih8wndz <ih8wndz!~jwpierce3@mail.trunkmasters.com> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)[07:09:24] *** ih8wndz <ih8wndz!~jwpierce3@mail.trunkmasters.com> has joined #postfix[07:13:34] *** keanne <keanne!~kenneth@112.199.79.125> has joined #postfix[07:16:09] *** moe__ <moe__!~moe@one.ttg.ovh> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[07:17:56] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[07:19:42] *** MACscr <MACscr!~MACscr@c-73-9-230-5.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has joined #postfix[07:22:23] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[07:26:35] *** zulutango <zulutango!~zulutango@static-n49-176-171-248.mas2.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has joined #postfix[07:30:29] *** Arkaniad <Arkaniad!~Arkaniad@cocteau.isomemetric.net> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.6.3+deb2 - http://znc.in)[07:30:52] *** Poster|n <Poster|n!~poster@97.90.212.251> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[07:32:41] *** Arkaniad <Arkaniad!~Arkaniad@cocteau.isomemetric.net> has joined #postfix[07:36:01] *** Poster|n <Poster|n!~poster@97.90.212.251> has joined #postfix[07:38:14] *** Poster|n <Poster|n!~poster@97.90.212.251> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[07:38:15] *** Dolanyeah114 <Dolanyeah114!~dolanyeah@202.57.8.13> has joined #postfix[07:55:33] *** LoRez <LoRez!~LoRez@freenode/staff-emeritus/lorez> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[08:05:06] *** harukomoto <harukomoto!~harukomot@93-41-16-73.ip79.fastwebnet.it> has joined #postfix[08:11:11] *** LoRez <LoRez!~LoRez@freenode/staff-emeritus/lorez> has joined #postfix[08:16:44] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@icookc.lnk.telstra.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[08:18:50] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[08:23:35] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:28:11] *** ptx0 <ptx0!~cheesus_c@unaffiliated/ptx0> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[08:28:33] *** ptx0 <ptx0!~cheesus_c@unaffiliated/ptx0> has joined #postfix[08:30:35] *** ArturShaik <ArturShaik!~artur-sha@212.112.100.88> has joined #postfix[08:57:00] *** axisys <axisys!~axisys@unaffiliated/axisys> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[08:58:23] *** keanne <keanne!~kenneth@112.199.79.125> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[08:58:48] *** keanne <keanne!~kenneth@119.92.192.186> has joined #postfix[09:05:27] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has joined #postfix[09:08:50] *** aardbolreiziger <aardbolreiziger!~aardbolre@lw-fiber.dbcorp.nl> has joined #postfix[09:12:54] *** Poster|n <Poster|n!~poster@97.90.212.251> has joined #postfix[09:19:27] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@58.106.177.140> has joined #postfix[09:19:54] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[09:24:27] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:28:21] *** ss942 <ss942!~krystian@89.238.53.32> has joined #postfix[09:37:28] *** moe__ <moe__!~moe@196.201.200.109> has joined #postfix[09:41:04] *** moe_ <moe_!~moe@197.241.7.50> has joined #postfix[09:43:52] *** moe__ <moe__!~moe@196.201.200.109> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[09:51:32] *** zapotah <zapotah!~zapotah@unaffiliated/zapotah> has joined #postfix[09:54:19] <zapotah> hi, im doing among other things dkim signing with amavis and re-injecting the mail into postfix after that, usually one would use a header cleanup filter afterwards to remove any notion of "Received: 127.0.0.1" headers, however doing this obviously breaks signing. Is there a way to modify Postfix to not even insert the "Received:" header to the mail so that it doesnt show the localhost filters in the[09:54:25] <zapotah> message headers?[09:55:11] <zapotah> however much more difficult that would make debugging[09:57:09] <zapotah> the obvious answer would be to have the dkim signing sit at the end of the filter chain, but id imagine that configuring the filters to not insert the Received header would be a cleaner option[09:58:57] *** idmistir_ <idmistir_!~idmistir@static.15.61.9.5.clients.your-server.de> has joined #postfix[10:00:27] *** idmistir <idmistir!~idmistir@unaffiliated/idmistir> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:00:58] *** aardbolreiziger <aardbolreiziger!~aardbolre@lw-fiber.dbcorp.nl> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving...)[10:05:10] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[10:10:05] <pj> zapotah: "usually" one would not want to remove headers that are necessary for tracing and debugging.[10:11:36] <pj> At any rate, there is no way to prevent postfix from inserting Received headers, as far as I am aware. I can't speak for other software that might insert them.[10:13:31] *** DTZUZO <DTZUZO!~DTZUZO@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[10:14:02] *** keanne <keanne!~kenneth@119.92.192.186> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:18:21] *** idmistir <idmistir!~idmistir@static.15.61.9.5.clients.your-server.de> has joined #postfix[10:18:21] *** idmistir <idmistir!~idmistir@static.15.61.9.5.clients.your-server.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[10:18:21] *** idmistir <idmistir!~idmistir@unaffiliated/idmistir> has joined #postfix[10:18:29] *** idmistir_ <idmistir_!~idmistir@static.15.61.9.5.clients.your-server.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:20:57] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[10:25:35] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[10:40:38] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[10:49:12] <zapotah> pj: seriously? that is somewhat invredulous[10:49:48] <zapotah> i guess dkim wasnt in mind when postfix was conceived[10:50:16] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@58.106.177.140> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[10:50:46] <zapotah> most spam filters consider having 127.0.0.1 in the headers a bad thing[10:51:01] <zapotah> on reception that is[10:51:18] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[10:51:40] <zapotah> does postfix insert the received header with unix sockets as well?[10:55:42] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[10:56:52] *** aindilis <aindilis!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[10:59:26] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[10:59:32] *** aindilis <aindilis!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has joined #postfix[11:16:41] <ss942> I have problem with after queue filter, it works when I set virtualtransport to my hook, but then it doesn't deliver mails to dovecot. When I set up virtual transport to dovecot my mails are delivered but don't trigger script.[11:16:41] <ss942> What the funniest in all this is that when I set virtual transport to dovecot again after it being set to myhook it deliver queued mail after this. So my script send these messages back to queue... but won't send it to dovecot without changes in config...[11:21:21] <pj> zapotah: I'm not aware of any spam filters taht consider that a "bad thing", and as for dkim, you can actually control which headers it includes in the signed content.[11:21:48] <pj> !tell ss942 getting_help[11:21:48] <knoba> ss942: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[11:22:01] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[11:24:15] <ss942> !relevant_logs[11:24:15] <knoba> ss942: "relevant_logs" : mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility and should not be shown. Also see http://rob0.nodns4.us/postfix-logging[11:24:24] <ss942> !showconfig[11:24:24] <knoba> ss942: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[11:25:03] <pj> zapotah: it is quite common to have received headers with localhost in them, and it is not an indication of spam one way or the other. Any spam filter that even considers that is stupid in the extreme.[11:27:32] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[11:30:31] <Kelsar> hurray, spamming user account, i wish i had a really good idea howto prevent/detect that aside email rates....[11:34:51] <tuxick> ?[11:35:24] *** ggherdov <ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-atjiufdmhcallamz> has quit IRC ()[11:35:44] <tuxick> what on earth is "after queue filter" supposed to do anyway?[11:36:58] *** ggherdov <ggherdov!sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yrdbwhsjcfiwzyhw> has joined #postfix[11:38:08] <tuxick> sounds like xy thing to me[11:40:26] <pj> tuxick: after queue is just a normal content filter.[11:41:19] <tuxick> guess i don't understand the "after queue" bit[11:41:41] <tuxick> for me queue is outgoing[11:42:10] <tuxick> and "content filter" would be sieve :)[11:42:13] <petn-randall> tuxick: It gets queued by postfix, and the content filter is the next hop. So if that rejects it, the mail gets bounced (instead of rejected by a pre-que filter).[11:42:20] <petn-randall> *queue[11:42:37] <tuxick> but bounce is a thing to avoid[11:42:50] <petn-randall> Fun fact: "queue" is just "Q" followed by 4 silent letters.[11:43:04] <petn-randall> tuxick: Sure, but that wasn't the question.[11:43:33] <pj> tuxick: it refers to the postfix queue, a pre-queue filter would need to be implemented as a milter but has the advantage that the filter can cause postfix to reject mail directly. After queue just means that postfix has accepted the message already before the filter is run and so it cannot reject.[11:43:58] <tuxick> ah i see[11:44:04] <petn-randall> pj: You can also implement a pre-queue filter via proxy.[11:44:14] <Kelsar> tuxick: in and outgoing mails are queued[11:44:40] <pj> petn-randall: true that, but that has other issues.[11:45:56] <tuxick> i never really saw an incoming queue grow :)[11:46:03] <tuxick> but ye[11:46:38] <pj> tuxick: postfix generally processes the messages pretty fast, so you'd have to catch it at just the right time or have a very busy system to see anything in the incoming queue.[11:47:00] <pj> normally you'll just see stuff in the deferred or hold queues.[11:47:06] <tuxick> yeah[11:48:01] <pj> ok, I'm off[11:49:00] *** dan_j <dan_j!sid21651@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-sxfmkpefamggdnxh> has quit IRC ()[11:49:22] *** zulutango <zulutango!~zulutango@static-n49-176-171-248.mas2.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:49:43] *** dan_j <dan_j!sid21651@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kvqijhbrhxboqgem> has joined #postfix[11:59:36] <zapotah> pj: microsoft is stupid in the extreme :3[12:02:15] <tuxick> no, it's deliberate[12:03:31] *** dan_j <dan_j!sid21651@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kvqijhbrhxboqgem> has quit IRC ()[12:04:11] *** dan_j <dan_j!sid21651@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qswyhmqlbetymkyu> has joined #postfix[12:04:30] <ss942> I have problem with after queue filter, it works when I set virtualtransport to my hook, but then it doesn't deliver mails to dovecot. When I set up virtual transport to dovecot my mails are delivered but don't trigger script.[12:04:30] <ss942> What the funniest in all this is that when I set virtual transport to dovecot again after it being set to myhook it deliver queued mail after this. So my script send these messages back to queue... but won't send it to dovecot without changes in config...[12:04:30] <ss942> https://pastebin.com/4s9cXR23[12:23:50] *** Neo4 <Neo4!~Thunderbi@76-96-201-46.pool.ukrtel.net> has joined #postfix[12:25:31] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@95.233.165.118> has joined #postfix[12:25:44] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@95.233.165.118> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:34:13] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@148.32.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has joined #postfix[12:41:53] *** Neo4 <Neo4!~Thunderbi@76-96-201-46.pool.ukrtel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Neo4)[13:24:00] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[13:24:03] *** patdk-lap <patdk-lap!~patrickdk@96-91-219-129-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:25:59] *** Neo4 <Neo4!~Thunderbi@76-96-201-46.pool.ukrtel.net> has joined #postfix[13:28:05] *** patdk-lap <patdk-lap!~patrickdk@96-91-219-129-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #postfix[13:29:11] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[13:30:51] *** pauld <pauld!~pauld@211.28.162.17> has joined #postfix[13:38:26] *** pauld <pauld!~pauld@211.28.162.17> has left #postfix[13:47:06] *** moe_ <moe_!~moe@197.241.7.50> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[13:49:17] *** jaybe <jaybe!~jaybe@unaffiliated/jaybe> has quit IRC (Quit: ~)[13:49:29] *** jaybe <jaybe!~jaybe@unaffiliated/jaybe> has joined #postfix[13:53:24] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[13:56:53] *** Neo4 <Neo4!~Thunderbi@76-96-201-46.pool.ukrtel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Neo4)[14:02:52] <ss942> kek I had to add content_filter = myscript: to main.cf, but it hadn't solved my problems[14:03:19] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[14:04:12] <ss942> now my script is not able to save mail to directory because of permissions[14:09:01] *** pauld <pauld!~pauld@211.28.162.17> has joined #postfix[14:16:29] <ntnlzr> ss942, add user running your script to mail directory group[14:16:55] *** pauld <pauld!~pauld@211.28.162.17> has left #postfix[14:16:56] *** moe_ <moe_!~moe@197.241.5.123> has joined #postfix[14:19:48] <rob0> huh? Secondary groups are not used by Postfix (nor Postfix-invoked) processes.[14:22:53] *** pauld <pauld!~pauld@211.28.162.17> has joined #postfix[14:22:59] <pauld> hello[14:23:22] *** DTZUZO <DTZUZO!~DTZUZO@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has joined #postfix[14:25:06] <ss942> ntnlzr: hmm I use postgresql as database, my script is inrevalently modifed copy paste form postfix documentation, and it send back mail with $SENDMAIL[14:26:20] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:26:32] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[14:27:07] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:27:54] <rob0> What are you actually trying to accomplish with this? Perhaps you should stick with more conventional, tried-and-true content filtering, like amavisd-new?[14:28:14] <ntnlzr> sry rob0 i missed the ss942 point[14:28:37] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[14:28:41] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:28:43] <ntnlzr> your question it's the right question for ss942 :P[14:29:09] *** aro <aro!aro@unaffiliated/aro> has quit IRC (Disconnected by services)[14:29:10] *** aro_ <aro_!~aro@c-71-227-127-50.hsd1.mi.comcast.net> has joined #postfix[14:29:18] *** pauld <pauld!~pauld@211.28.162.17> has left #postfix[14:29:37] *** pauld <pauld!~pauld@211.28.162.17> has joined #postfix[14:29:52] <pauld> hi[14:31:02] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[14:31:05] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:31:52] <rob0> !tell ss942 amavisd-new[14:31:52] <knoba> ss942: "amavisd-new" : amavisd-new is a high-performance and reliable interface between mailer (MTA) and one or more content checkers. See http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/[14:33:19] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has joined #postfix[14:34:55] <tuxick> i still suspect xy problem[14:38:16] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:b18:581:10:c54:4901:ef4f:dc86> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[14:38:59] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:b18:581:10:3d03:bf52:9ce5:45b9> has joined #postfix[14:49:45] *** indy <indy!~indy@dsl-static-104.213-160-167.telecom.sk> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net)[14:52:40] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[14:56:07] *** cpm <cpm!~cpm@pdpc/supporter/active/cpm> has joined #postfix[14:56:12] <pauld> hi people. I have set up a postfix mail server that sends and receives mail on the mail server (local machine). I have configured sasl and enabled tls in the hope that I can securelly send mail from outside the network. I can see the my mail using the dovecot imap server no problem outside the local network . However I cannot send a mail via my apple client. I can telnet to my mail server and authenticate and send a mail from outside the network. However[14:56:12] <pauld> cannot do so from my apple client which should do the same thing.[14:56:17] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[14:56:17] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[14:57:18] <rob0> it was logged, when you tried it[14:57:33] <pauld> According to my mail logs I am failing to read the tls certificate when my apple client talks to my postfix server. This is true.[14:58:05] <rob0> you should not have set it up to request client certificates[14:58:11] *** indy <indy!~indy@dsl-static-104.213-160-167.telecom.sk> has joined #postfix[14:58:47] <rob0> !relevant_logs[14:58:47] <knoba> rob0: "relevant_logs" : mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility and should not be shown. Also see http://rob0.nodns4.us/postfix-logging[14:58:52] <rob0> !showconfig[14:58:52] <knoba> rob0: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[14:59:56] <pauld> the logs aren’t random. I’m targeting the exact failure.[15:00:14] <pauld> I’m isolating the offending failing to send messages.[15:00:25] <rob0> good[15:01:13] <pauld> I’ve set my logging to as verbose as possible.[15:01:21] <rob0> nooooo[15:01:26] <rob0> !verbose[15:01:26] <knoba> rob0: "verbose" : You probably do not need verbose logging, but in very rare cases, the extra detail might assist in debugging. To set verbose logging, add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) in master.cf, then 'postfix reload' after that[15:01:30] <tuxick> :)[15:01:36] <rob0> you definitely DO NOT need it[15:02:00] <pauld> I”ve been packet sniffing trying to get to the bottom of this.[15:02:06] <pauld> It doesn’t get much more verbose than that.[15:03:00] <pauld> It is my own little mail server. I don’t require an externally cerrtified tls certificate, just a self signed certificiate.[15:03:01] <rob0> try again without the -v, pastebin your logs[15:03:04] <pauld> ok[15:03:45] <pauld> There appears to be a tls certificate default with a sss_snakeoil.pem and ss_snakeoil.key set.[15:03:57] <rob0> !debian[15:03:57] <knoba> rob0: "debian" : (#1) Please see /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian for Debian-specific information. This probably applies to Ubuntu and most other Debian-derivative distributions as well., or (#2) Debian splits the syslog mail facility into several files; the one most likely to be of interest is mail.log , which contains all mail.* priority levels.[15:04:16] <pauld> Can I use this or MUST I make my own self signed certificate.[15:04:41] <rob0> I think lots of Debian people stick with the auto-generated cert[15:04:51] <pauld> ok[15:05:02] <rob0> "I wouldn't", but it's your server :)[15:05:21] <pauld> I set up a postfix server about 9 years ago on debian lenny and it has run without a problem until now.[15:05:33] <pauld> I never set up the tls certificates.[15:05:46] <pauld> I seemed to use those ones.[15:07:20] *** Dolanyeah114 <Dolanyeah114!~dolanyeah@202.57.8.13> has quit IRC (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)[15:10:08] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has joined #postfix[15:15:09] *** pauld__ <pauld__!~pauld@pa49-180-135-57.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has joined #postfix[15:15:40] *** pauld <pauld!~pauld@211.28.162.17> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:16:06] *** backnforth <backnforth!~backnfort@142.167.50.19> has joined #postfix[15:16:18] <backnforth> Should Cyrus still continue to be used?[15:16:35] <tuxick> if you insist[15:18:52] <backnforth> I'd like to have my server with modern technology[15:19:53] <lunaphyte> backnforth: used for what, specifically?[15:20:24] *** pauld__ <pauld__!~pauld@pa49-180-135-57.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has left #postfix[15:20:46] <rob0> Cyrus SASL is generally not recommended for server SASL, but if you need client SASL it remains the only choice.[15:20:47] *** pauld__ <pauld__!~pauld@pa49-180-135-57.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has joined #postfix[15:21:11] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[15:21:36] <backnforth> lunaphyte, I'm looking to setup email sending with my server where an external mail server is used.[15:22:13] <lunaphyte> hmm. i'm not quite sure what that means[15:22:19] *** pauld__ <pauld__!~pauld@pa49-180-135-57.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has left #postfix[15:22:35] *** pauld___ <pauld___!~pauld@pa49-180-135-57.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has joined #postfix[15:23:29] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[15:23:29] *** pauld___ <pauld___!~pauld@pa49-180-135-57.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Quit: pauld___)[15:23:43] <backnforth> I"m not sure I follow understand either. Let me try explaining it again. I have a Drupal site where I want to be able to send emails with (for example, password recovery), and I want to use an external email to send emails with (e.g, gmail).[15:24:51] *** pauld <pauld!~pauld@pa49-180-135-57.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has joined #postfix[15:25:36] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[15:29:15] *** bikeshedder <bikeshedder!~bikeshedd@200116b82a9d60009b7e8271348a8d91.dip.versatel-1u1.de> has joined #postfix[15:30:51] <rob0> That sounds like a use case for a null client.[15:30:55] <bikeshedder> My mailqueue is full of spam and new one is coming in. What's the best way to find out how it's entering the mail system? The server only accepts either inbound messages or authed via TLS.[15:30:56] <rob0> !nullclient[15:30:56] <knoba> rob0: "nullclient" : (#1) a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details., or (#2) See http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#null_client[15:31:42] <rob0> bikeshedder, first thing, "postfix stop" now.[15:32:09] <rob0> Then find one of the spams in the queue, trace it back to when it was first logged.[15:32:51] <rob0> If you have an after-queue content filter that will men tracing back through the filter, to the initial appearance.[15:33:00] <rob0> s/men/mean/[15:33:08] <Kelsar> does postfix cache auth results? i thougth no[15:33:10] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[15:33:34] <rob0> Postfix does not cache auth results, but Dovecot SASL does.[15:33:40] <bikeshedder> That's the first apearance of the message. It doesn't tell me much. Feb 13 15:30:32 mx postfix/smtpd[32398]: 9BD3210C068C: client=localhost[127.0.0.1][15:34:00] <rob0> again. Trace it back through the content filter.[15:34:29] <rob0> that, or murder the guy in charge of 127.0.0.1 ;)[15:34:51] <Kelsar> rob0: yes, i know that... flushed that. wonder why the user still can sent...[15:35:24] <rob0> !check_sasl_access[15:35:24] <knoba> rob0: "check_sasl_access" : smtpd(8) restriction to check an access(5) database for the SASL username, see: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#check_sasl_access (available Postfix 2.11+)[15:35:57] <rob0> ^^ might be a quick way to ensure your compromised user can't send[15:36:00] <bikeshedder> rob0, how can I do that? That's the first appearance of that queue ID and I don't see how to find any further details[15:36:40] *** pauld <pauld!~pauld@pa49-180-135-57.pa.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:37:10] <Kelsar> rob0: true[15:37:57] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:40:40] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has quit IRC (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)[15:41:02] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[15:41:46] <rob0> bikeshedder, at this point you're probably going to want to talk to whoever set it up for you[15:42:15] <rob0> I assume you'd know a bit more about how it works if you had set it up?[15:43:01] <rob0> also,[15:43:07] <rob0> !getting_help[15:43:07] <knoba> rob0: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[15:43:13] <rob0> !showconfig[15:43:13] <knoba> rob0: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[15:45:21] *** Kelsar <Kelsar!~quassel@unaffiliated/kelsar> has joined #postfix[15:45:34] <bikeshedder> Ok. Finally found the source and the user causing all the spam in the queue. Meh. :-/[15:48:55] <patdk-lap> that took awhile[15:49:25] <tuxick> php?[15:50:14] <patdk-lap> na, apache2 :)[15:50:16] <petn-randall> bikeshedder: What was it?[15:53:27] *** Tarius <Tarius!~Tarius@unaffiliated/tarius> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:53:54] *** TariusWork <TariusWork!~Tarius@unaffiliated/tarius> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:54:01] <thumbs> no, apache httpd does not send emails.[15:55:16] *** Tarius <Tarius!~Tarius@static-bband-146.87-197-178.telecom.sk> has joined #postfix[15:55:16] *** Tarius <Tarius!~Tarius@static-bband-146.87-197-178.telecom.sk> has quit IRC (Changing host)[15:55:16] *** Tarius <Tarius!~Tarius@unaffiliated/tarius> has joined #postfix[15:55:51] *** TariusWork <TariusWork!~Tarius@static-bband-146.87-197-178.telecom.sk> has joined #postfix[15:55:51] * jink installs mod_php on thumbs.[15:55:52] *** TariusWork <TariusWork!~Tarius@static-bband-146.87-197-178.telecom.sk> has quit IRC (Changing host)[15:55:52] *** TariusWork <TariusWork!~Tarius@unaffiliated/tarius> has joined #postfix[15:56:14] <backnforth> so a null client seems very close to what I'm looking for, but I don't know how to use an external mailserver like gmail.[15:56:31] <thumbs> jink: that's fine, php was compiled to be thread-safe, so I still use event.[15:56:34] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has quit IRC (Write error: Connection reset by peer)[15:56:47] <jink> thumbs: Teeheehee.[15:57:34] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has joined #postfix[16:00:00] <tuxick> backnforth: i'm rather sure drupal provides a mechanism for this[16:00:35] <patdk-lap> not all php modules are though :([16:00:48] <ss942> Feb 13 15:34:37 gw postfix/virtual[5151]: fatal: bad string length 0 < 1: virtual_mailbox_base =[16:00:48] <ss942> Feb 13 15:34:38 gw postfix/master[1521]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/sbin/virtual pid 5151 exit status 1[16:00:48] <ss942> Feb 13 15:34:38 gw postfix/master[1521]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/sbin/virtual: bad command startup -- throttling[16:00:53] <patdk-lap> and it doesn't solve permissions very nicely[16:01:27] <patdk-lap> !tell ss942 getting_help[16:01:27] <knoba> ss942: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[16:01:32] <patdk-lap> !tell ss942 pastebin[16:01:32] <knoba> ss942: "pastebin" : A pastebin site lets you easily share logs and configuration. Examples are dpaste.org, fpaste.org, pastebin.ca, paste.ee, ptpb.pw, ix.io and many others. Please avoid ad-supported sites such as pastebin.com if possible.[16:01:46] <ss942> hmm I have virtual_mailbox_domains and virtual_mailbox_maps, but not virtual_mailbox_base[16:01:58] <thumbs> patdk-lap: not all, no.[16:02:00] <ss942> why does it want virual mailbox base?[16:02:18] <rob0> ss942, if you use virtual(8) you MUST set that[16:02:30] <rob0> 0 is less than 1[16:02:41] * tuxick mumbles about sieve[16:02:51] <rob0> !virtual_mailbox_base[16:02:51] <knoba> rob0: "virtual_mailbox_base" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: A prefix that the virtual(8) delivery agent prepends to all pathname results from $virtual_mailbox_maps table lookups. This is a safety measure to ensure that an out of control map doesn't litter the filesystem with mailboxes. While virtual_mailbox_base could be set to "/", this setting isn't recommended.[16:03:25] <patdk-lap> unless you override the virtual_transport[16:03:39] <tuxick> backnforth: https://www.drupal.org/project/smtp[16:12:04] <ss942> https://pastebin.com/Kp9xF34U[16:12:04] <ss942> As far as I can understand, myscript user dosn't have permission, but permission to what/where?[16:13:58] <patdk-lap> no idea, that igotmail.sh is not part of postfix[16:14:25] <patdk-lap> you are going ask the person that created that script[16:14:57] <tuxick> still sounds like waste of time to me[16:16:02] <rob0> My suggestion was given at 13:27 UTC, and still seems valid: stick to conventional content filtering.[16:16:23] <ss942> patdk-lap: this script is same as http://www.postfix.org/FILTER_README.html but have 3 additional lines with some echo to file with >>. And it's executed, I'm sure because of the file content[16:16:54] <patdk-lap> it doesn't matter at all[16:16:57] <patdk-lap> the script is bad[16:17:00] <patdk-lap> the script needs to be fixed[16:17:01] <bikeshedder> btw. is there any recommended mail system setup using postfix/spamassasin/clamav (or alike)? Email config is hard to get right and I'm looking for something more or less "ready to use".[16:17:05] <patdk-lap> the script is NOT part of postfix[16:17:36] <patdk-lap> postfix executed it, so it's not a postfix issue[16:17:40] <rob0> !tell bikeshedder amavisd-new[16:17:40] <knoba> bikeshedder: "amavisd-new" : amavisd-new is a high-performance and reliable interface between mailer (MTA) and one or more content checkers. See http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/[16:17:53] <rob0> (but I would not bother with clamav at all)[16:18:10] <rob0> Also,[16:18:15] <rob0> !cheatsheet[16:18:15] <knoba> rob0: "cheatsheet" : (#1) http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control., or (#2) A postscreen cheatsheet can be seen at http://rob0.nodns4.us/postscreen.html (updated 2017-07-06, now requires Postfix 2.11+)[16:18:16] <tuxick> there's some antispam set for clamav[16:18:17] <patdk-lap> clamav works well, just ignore the stock rules[16:20:39] <tuxick> and the frequent failures of freshclam[16:22:35] <patdk-lap> never have issues[16:24:03] <tuxick> ERROR: getpatch: Can't download daily-24309.cdiff from database.clamav.net[16:24:09] *** danjel_ <danjel_!~danjel@85.83.142.134> has joined #postfix[16:24:28] <tuxick> but maybe it's RH feature[16:27:03] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@190.18.187.91> has joined #postfix[16:31:48] <bikeshedder> rob0, is the postfix-anti-UCE HOWTO by Jim Seymour still current? I can see the last update on Jun 20 2015. It's a tad old. Just wondering if there are some recent recommendations I should be aware of[16:32:02] <patdk-lap> tuxick, I get that error about once a day[16:32:09] <patdk-lap> but is resolved on the next check[16:32:29] <patdk-lap> must be their mirror sites are not handled that great[16:32:49] <patdk-lap> really about twice a week[16:32:57] <patdk-lap> mine is checking hourly[16:33:55] <tuxick> got it running on a dozen or so systems[16:34:06] <tuxick> so it's rather spammy here :)[16:34:26] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[16:38:40] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:40:16] <rob0> bikeshedder, mine is more current because it focuses on postscreen.[16:43:03] <bikeshedder> What do you think of stuff like that: https://github.com/tomav/docker-mailserver or https://mailcow.email/ ... does anyone have experience with some of those?[16:43:07] <rob0> I like Jim's because Way Back When, it helped me understand how restrictions worked.[16:43:57] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[16:45:18] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@58.106.177.140> has joined #postfix[16:47:35] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:47:35] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[16:47:42] <bikeshedder> tbh. I'd be glad to outsource the entire email hosting to a 3rd party. I just can't find a reasonable offer with a data center in germany. So I always end up doing it myself. I hate it. :-/[16:48:54] *** trwww1 <trwww1!~trwww@cpe-75-187-184-79.neo.res.rr.com> has left #postfix[16:49:52] <tuxick> bikeshedder: mailbox.org[16:50:01] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[16:50:13] *** ss942 <ss942!~krystian@89.238.53.32> has left #postfix[16:50:14] <tuxick> they also have good reputation for security/privacy[16:50:40] <tuxick> otherwise posteo.de[16:51:15] *** led_ir22 <led_ir22!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #postfix[16:51:16] <tuxick> don't know about quality of their spamfilters though[16:52:47] <bikeshedder> I forgot one important bit: I need it for 400 domains and email addresses. We're doing Python hosting and Email has been part of the offer forever. fwiw is an email service with some kind of API to configure email addresses and aliases. If I only wanted to get hosting for my own company it'd be pretty simple to find something suitable.[16:53:04] <tuxick> haha that might turn out a bit expensive[16:53:40] *** Madda_ <Madda_!~Madda@91.253.158.252> has joined #postfix[16:54:10] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:54:10] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[16:55:20] <bikeshedder> Indeed. With the "normal" pricing they all end up with completely ridiculous costs. Sometimes even higher than what we currently charge our customers in total. ;)[16:55:21] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[16:55:24] <tuxick> there are spamfiltering services though[16:56:31] <tuxick> but those too cost of course[16:56:32] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[16:56:57] <tuxick> bikeshedder: using barracuda might save you work though[16:57:24] <tuxick> http://www.barracudacentral.org/rbl found them pretty ok[16:57:44] <tuxick> and then spamassassin with mysql backend[16:57:46] <tuxick> and sa-milter[16:58:07] <rob0> BRBL is very effective, yes, but I found that it blocked a bit too much.[16:58:27] <tuxick> the barracuda one?[16:58:36] <tuxick> i don't think i ever got a false positive[16:58:42] <rob0> !brbl[16:58:42] <knoba> rob0: "brbl" : Barracuda Reputation Block List (BRBL) is a service of Barracuda, compiled from the input of Barracuda devices. Service is free but requires registration. See http://barracudacentral.org/rbl[16:59:48] <tuxick> hmm i did use scoring[17:00:03] <tuxick> so maybe i did get false positives from them occasionally :)[17:00:36] <patdk-lap> I have gotten falses from them[17:00:50] <tuxick> must be pretty rare though[17:01:07] <tuxick> used it on a server with well over 2k accounts[17:01:17] <tuxick> no complaints[17:03:39] <rob0> I had more than one, when using it with reject_rbl_client, someone on a spammy ISP (OVH I think it was) trying to post to a Mailman list.[17:05:21] <tuxick> ah ye[17:05:31] <tuxick> OVH must be avoided if you want to be able to send mail[17:06:00] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[17:06:34] *** danjel_ <danjel_!~danjel@85.83.142.134> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:06:48] <rob0> well yes, but I couldn't really require him to change ISP[17:07:50] <rob0> maybe it's time to do another warn_if_reject test of BRBL[17:09:36] <petn-randall> Or just use the RBL with postscreen and set the scoring so BRBL alone won't be enough to get rejected.[17:09:54] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[17:09:54] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[17:13:31] *** Madda_ <Madda_!~Madda@91.253.158.252> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:13:38] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has joined #postfix[17:14:05] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:14:17] <patdk-lap> petn-randall, isn't that what we are talking about?[17:14:58] <petn-randall> warn_if_reject sounded like smtpd_recipient_restrictions to me.[17:15:03] *** troys <troys!~troys@23-24-139-177-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #postfix[17:17:57] <rob0> petn-randall, I do that already, but I still have smtpd restrictions also[17:19:10] <petn-randall> I see, I don't have any RBLs in my smtpd_recipient_restrictions. 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*** Zerberus <Zerberus!~dogtail@irc.sys5.org> has joined #postfix[19:16:51] *** moe_ <moe_!~moe@41.189.234.214> has joined #postfix[19:17:54] *** danjel_ <danjel_!~danjel@80-62-160-6-static.dk.customer.tdc.net> has joined #postfix[19:23:40] *** Bradipo <Bradipo!~amb@22.16-28.45.70.166.in-addr.arpa> has joined #postfix[19:23:52] <Bradipo> I found a postfix server that has: relayhost = [127.0.0.1][19:24:16] <Bradipo> That seems like a bad idea to have that in main.cf...[19:24:36] <Bradipo> But maybe I don't know enough about postfix and perhaps that's a legitimate configuration for some scenarios?[19:26:32] <tuxick> can't think of one[19:26:34] <rob0> a definite maybe[19:26:55] <Bradipo> rob0: So you agree that maybe I don't know enough about postfix?[19:27:08] <Bradipo> Or maybe it shouldn't be there...[19:27:57] <petn-randall> Bradipo: Maybe stresstesting postfix by creating a mail loop?[19:27:58] <rob0> It definitely would not work with default settings, such as with this instance's smtpd listening on 127.0.0.1:25[19:28:11] <Bradipo> petn-randall: That's kind of what I thought too.[19:28:43] <petn-randall> Or maybe a creative solution to combatting spam ...[19:29:54] <petn-randall> Or a good way of reaching "inbox zero". :)[19:31:34] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: cemotyz09)[19:33:16] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[19:33:51] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[19:36:46] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[19:38:11] *** magyar_ <magyar_!~magyar@unaffiliated/magyar> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[19:40:08] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: cemotyz09)[19:40:47] *** magyar_ <magyar_!~magyar@unaffiliated/magyar> has joined #postfix[19:41:24] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC 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error, I even find messages in the queue that state that there is a mail loop.[19:56:46] <rsc> Yes, if you read such error messages in the queue...[19:58:47] *** NwS <NwS!~NwS@unaffiliated/nws> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[19:59:03] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[19:59:27] *** angersec <angersec!~quassel@quassel.angersec.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:59:32] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: cemotyz09)[20:01:43] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[20:07:05] *** sebastienthiry <sebastienthiry!~Thunderbi@91.177.165.137> has quit IRC (Quit: sebastienthiry)[20:07:41] *** angersec <angersec!~quassel@quassel.angersec.com> has joined #postfix[20:13:17] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: cemotyz09)[20:19:37] *** TyrfingMjolnir <TyrfingMjolnir!~Tyrfing@62.92.82.250> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[20:23:14] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[20:29:17] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: cemotyz09)[20:30:25] *** cpm <cpm!~cpm@pdpc/supporter/active/cpm> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:37:31] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[20:43:17] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[20:43:26] <TheFatherMind> Question: I have clients using IMAP. I need to Archive there inbox on the server. I just want a script that will sort eMail older than X to subfolders by year in an Archive folder. Anyone know of a bash/shell script that does that they can link me to??[20:48:49] <lunaphyte> what imap server software?[20:54:50] *** john51 <john51!~john@15255.s.t4vps.eu> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:55:09] *** john51 <john51!~john@15255.s.t4vps.eu> has joined #postfix[20:56:02] <TheFatherMind> Oh yea this may be the wrong place to ask that. maildrop/courier[20:56:13] <TheFatherMind> folder/file based inboxes.[20:56:31] <TheFatherMind> What is the tech term for that anyhow?[21:00:58] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@70.121.157.202> has joined #postfix[21:04:03] <lunaphyte> the term for folder/file based inboxes?[21:04:09] <lunaphyte> i guess either mbox or maildir[21:04:45] <TheFatherMind> maildir I tought mbox was a bit different. thunderbird uses mbox it has index files etc.[21:06:06] *** ageis <ageis!~kevin@cointel.pro> has joined #postfix[21:08:09] *** ageis <ageis!~kevin@cointel.pro> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[21:10:22] *** Darcidride 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