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[00:36:04] <matus2> lunaphyte: I would like to whitelist few servers from i am receiving cron mails etc. There is no need to check it for viruses. On the other hand it could be bad if some mails were filtered out from these machines
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[00:44:54] <lunaphyte> are you getting false positives? if so, you should fix that. if those servers are whitelisted, what happens when they get compromised and start sending out spam or viruses?
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[01:13:16] <matus2> this delivery is limited only for one domain. Relaying is not possible. This should not be problem as list of recipients is limited.
[01:16:36] <matus2> what comes to my ming is eliminating filterings as spam, and also some speed improvements and performance overhead
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[11:45:46] <ss942> I'm trying to use postfix after queue filter
[11:45:46] <ss942> when I comment "#virtual_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp" and add "virtual_transport = myscript:" it trigger script but it don't deliver mail, when I bring back previous settings mails, that been piped to script arrive...
[11:45:46] <ss942> Any tips on how to set it up properly
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[11:59:40] <tibyke> what would you guys recommend from smtp thruput testing? (like sending X thousand preformatted e-mails thru SMTP SSL) and see how long does it toke. i dont care about delivery, so the other end would accept anything and just send it to /dev/null or anything like that.
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[12:56:31] <tibyke> thanks, ntnlzr, checking
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[13:16:59] <ss942> can I trigger after queue filter without changing virtual_transport? (it point to dovecot lmtp)
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[14:13:25] <rob0> !smtpd
[14:13:25] <knoba> rob0: Error: "smtpd" is not a valid command.
[14:13:28] <rob0> !smtps
[14:13:29] <knoba> rob0: "smtps" : Port 465 is smtps, SMTP over SSL, a deprecated means of submission. This means that smtps should *not* be used, and that this factoid exists for historical purposes only and should not be implemented. See !submission for smtps' successor. That being said, Postfix can implement smtps with a separate smtpd(8) listener with \"-o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes\". See the commented example in master.cf.
[14:14:15] <rob0> !submissions
[14:14:15] <knoba> rob0: Error: "submissions" is not a valid command.
[14:20:06] <rob0> !learn submissions as RFC 8314 renames the old "smtps" port 465/tcp to "submissions", with implicit TLS rather than explicit STARTTLS via a plaintext TCP connection. Postfix can implement submissions with a separate smtpd(8) listener with " -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes". See the commented example in master.cf.
[14:20:11] <rob0> !submissions
[14:20:11] <knoba> rob0: "submissions" : RFC 8314 renames the old smtps port 465/tcp to submissions , with implicit TLS rather than explicit STARTTLS via a plaintext TCP connection. Postfix can implement submissions with a separate smtpd(8) listener with -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes . See the commented example in master.cf.
[14:20:27] <rob0> !forget submissions
[14:21:40] <rob0> !learn submissions as RFC 8314 renames the old smtps port, 465/tcp, to submissions, with implicit TLS rather than explicit STARTTLS via a plaintext TCP connection. Postfix can implement submissions with a separate smtpd(8) listener with \" -o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes\". See the commented example in master.cf.
[14:24:31] <thumbs> !submission
[14:25:47] <rob0> 8314 deprecates submission, but according to Viktor on the mailing list, those who are using it have no reason to discontinue it.
[14:27:41] <rob0> !learn smtps as A deprecated name for port 465; see !submissions and RFC 8314.
[14:27:51] <rob0> !smtps
[14:27:51] <knoba> rob0: "smtps" : (#1) Port 465 is smtps, SMTP over SSL, a deprecated means of submission. This means that smtps should *not* be used, and that this factoid exists for historical purposes only and should not be implemented. See !submission for smtps' successor. That being said, Postfix can implement smtps with a separate smtpd(8) listener with \"-o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes\". See the commented example in master.cf., or (#2) A deprecate
[14:28:19] <rob0> !forget smtps
[14:28:19] <knoba> rob0: Error: 2 factoids have that key. Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them.
[14:28:25] <rob0> !forget smtps *
[14:29:26] <rob0> !learn smtps as A deprecated name for port 465; see !submissions and RFC 8314. See also !submission and !tls and !sasl
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[16:54:44] <timeless> i have a bunch of systems which i'm hoping will act as "satellites", ideally email sent from `sender` to `user` on `satellite` will be delivered via (`remote`) showing From: sender@satellite to user@remote
[16:56:05] <timeless> Right now, it appears to be talking to `remote` and writing messages as From: sender@satellite to user@satellite -- which isn't quite doing what i need
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[17:00:02] <timeless> I have an `/etc/aliases` which is supposed to work for at least `root` (as `user`), but even that doesn't seem to be working
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[17:05:28] <timeless> Do I just need to add a virtual_maps = bit ?
[17:06:06] <jaybe> timeless, `newaliases`
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[17:06:19] <jaybe> timeless, the has of the file needs to be updated with the changes
[17:06:25] <jaybe> s/has/hash/
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[17:07:20] <rob0> !alias_maps
[17:07:20] <knoba> rob0: "alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The alias databases that are used for local(8) delivery. See aliases(5) for syntax details.
[17:08:45] <timeless> I ran newaliases, I don't think it changed anything significant.
[17:09:03] <rob0> ^^ only used inbound, mapping local(8) aliases(5) to delivery targets (address, command)
[17:11:44] <timeless> rob0: i can't tell if that's for me or jaybe. And I don't see how it helps if it's for me
[17:11:53] <jaybe> timeless, follow rob0's advice
[17:12:07] <jaybe> timeless, /etc/aliases refers to *inbound* email to the server
[17:12:31] <jaybe> timeless, i think you want to rewrite *outgoing* email; correct? see rob0's links
[17:12:56] <timeless> tbh, i'm not sure there's a distinction here
[17:13:04] <jaybe> be clear what your goal is
[17:13:10] <timeless> the mail server as it exists doesn't accept mail from outside localhost
[17:13:17] <jaybe> then it's an outbound rewrite
[17:13:30] <jaybe> s/rewrite/alias/
[17:13:30] <tuxick> sounds like a thing you shouldn't need
[17:13:46] <jaybe> described at :54:44 # sort of
[17:14:30] <timeless> tuxick: i'm not sure how that's helpful
[17:14:50] <jaybe> sounds potentially helpful
[17:14:51] <timeless> if you're saying i should hunt through every app on this computer to configure it to use proper remote email addresses, sure, i could do that
[17:14:53] <jaybe> ;)
[17:15:25] <timeless> but given the choice of configuring a mail server once and copying that knowledge to each server, or configuring each program on each server, i think i'd rather fight the mail server
[17:15:40] <timeless> admittedly, it's tempting to fix it on the remote server instead of spending time on each satellite
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[17:16:17] <tuxick> in my experience, if you don't do things right, they will come back and haunt you
[17:16:31] <timeless> i can't argue that point
[17:16:35] <tuxick> usually on saturday night when you have a date
[17:16:46] <timeless> although, in this case, it's more like "someone else did things wrong years ago, and now it's haunting me"
[17:16:55] <jaybe> s/saturday/fourth quarter/
[17:16:57] <tuxick> ye
[17:17:11] <timeless> nah, saturday night is a sufficiently good description :)
[17:17:12] <jaybe> so you don't wish to perpetuate such filth and nonsense onto the next poor sap do you? ;p
[17:17:18] <tuxick> timeless: so you hope to become the Cursed One instead?
[17:17:25] <tuxick> but ok :)
[17:22:21] <rob0> !rewrite
[17:22:39] <timeless> yeah, i've been to that page a dozen times :-(
[17:22:51] <timeless> half the internal links on that page are purple
[17:22:56] <rob0> Actually you might not even want to do this with a MTA
[17:23:03] <rob0> !nullclient
[17:23:04]
<knoba> rob0: "nullclient" : (#1) a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details., or (#2) See http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#null_client
[17:24:51] <timeless> i've been around null client before, i do think that's more likely to be the correct answer
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[17:25:19] <rob0> well, who/what is sending this mail, and to whom?
[17:25:36] <timeless> logwatch mostly
[17:25:44] <timeless> potentially various other equivalent daemons
[17:25:48] <timeless> cron
[17:25:52] <timeless> smartd
[17:26:30] <timeless> in rare cases, there's actual software running on this system which will send email to fully qualified addresses, but that's ok too
[17:26:42] <rob0> yeah, sounds like a null client to me
[17:26:47] <timeless> in all cases, all outbound mail needs to go over a specific link
[17:26:56] <timeless> (there's only one such link)
[17:27:15] <jaybe> the relay
[17:27:30] <timeless> yes
[17:27:49] <jaybe> !msmtp
[17:27:49]
<knoba> jaybe: "msmtp" : a nullclient program which provides a means for a computer to submit mail to an existing msa. see http://msmtp.sourceforge.net/ for more info. also see !nullclient_software, !nullclient and !msa
[17:30:55] <timeless> but does msmtp support listening on localhost:smtp for local clients?
[17:31:28] <timeless> i can't rewrite/rewire the arbitrary code that's on this/these computer(s) to call `/usr/bin/mail`
[17:32:11] <jaybe> code is hard coded to connect to localhost to submit mail?
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[17:32:41] <rob0> a null client replaces sendmail
[17:33:00] <rob0> and then it sends, according to how it was configured to relay
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[17:33:51] <rob0> such as via a ~/.msmtp or /etc/msmtp.rc for example
[17:34:19] <rob0> (I don't use msmtp so I don't know if those files are correct)
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[17:39:19] <timeless> i don't understand enough of these systems to say w/ certainty that they aren't hardcoded to talk to localhost:smtp to submit mail
[17:40:14] <timeless> ok, i think i've tried to go down the msmtp rabbit hole repeatedly and abandoned it each time
[17:40:29] <timeless> while it's a wonderful theory, it requires everything to be willing to not speak smtp
[17:40:39] <timeless> let's do the "postfix almost null" path
[17:41:31] <timeless> actually, i might be able to just get rid of postfix entirely if i just drop in a direct connection to the remote smtp server
[17:41:45] <timeless> but then i'd need to get it to accept mail on behalf of all these other random server
[17:41:47] <timeless> s
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[19:27:54] <backnforth> How do I change my mailname?
[19:28:17] <dka> I have configured a long time ago postfix to handle LDAP authentication for a single domain. We now want to use 2 more domains. I have followed a tutorial and just have a docker container with the current config to start with. Does anybody has nice resources to share ? I have tried to export and copy my domain CN but I can see it use a userpassword I already don't remember about
[19:28:42] <dka> Can postfix handle multiple certificate for different domain?
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[19:29:03] <jaybe> backnforth, how did you set/configure your current mailname?
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[19:39:19] <rob0> backnforth, "mailname" sounds Debianish,
[19:39:25] <rob0> !debian
[19:39:25] <knoba> rob0: "debian" : (#1) Please see /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian for Debian-specific information. This probably applies to Ubuntu and most other Debian-derivative distributions as well., or (#2) Debian splits the syslog mail facility into several files; the one most likely to be of interest is mail.log , which contains all mail.* priority levels.
[19:40:10] <rob0> dka, why do you want to use multiple certs? What is the benefit?
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[19:53:27] <dka> rob0, I am not sure but for example: if a user want's to add is account on thunderbird, and we dont want him to type the original name server address but the one from his email, thunderbird will try to verifiy if the certificate is issued for that domain and it will fail right ?>
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[19:58:46] <dka> I've just tried and it appear that thunderbird is having a security exception because of the reason I've just said
[20:06:36] <patdk-lap> ya, your certificate MUST match the name the user types in
[20:06:42] <patdk-lap> MUST, not may, or might, or possible
[20:07:00] <patdk-lap> !sni
[20:07:00] <knoba> patdk-lap: Error: "sni" is not a valid command.
[20:07:26] <patdk-lap> postfix has no sni support, no plans to include it
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[20:20:58] <backnforth> jaybe, I set it up by using the package manager to install mailutils which installed postfix for me then in the interactive screen I typed in an unwanted mailname.
[20:34:00] <backnforth> can I just change my mailname in /etc/postfix/main.cf?
[20:35:24] <thumbs> 53
[21:27:32] <patdk-lap> !tell backnforth myorigin
[21:27:32] <knoba> backnforth: "myorigin" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default domain name that locally-posted mail appears to come from, and that locally posted mail is delivered to. The default $myhostname, which is fine for small sites. If you run a domain with multiple machines, you should (1) change this to $mydomain and (2) set up a domain-wide alias database that aliases each user to user at that dot users.mailhost.
[21:27:39] <patdk-lap> !tell backnforth myhostname
[21:27:39] <knoba> backnforth: "myhostname" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The internet hostname of this mail system. The default is to use the fully-qualified domain name from gethostname(). $myhostname is used as a default value for many other configuration parameters.
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[22:10:31] <backnforth> will someone walk me through on how to get postfix to use a mailserver?
[22:12:54] <jaybe> postifx... is a mail server.
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[22:26:25] <backnforth> jaybe, Why in the link I provided it here's these two lines: postconf -e 'relayhost = mailserver:587'
[22:26:26] <backnforth> postconf -e 'myorigin = mailserver'
[22:26:36] <backnforth> what is mailserver suppose to be replaced by here
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[22:35:47] <backnforth> !tell backnforth mailserver
[22:35:47] <knoba> backnforth: Error: No factoid matches that key.
[22:36:04] <backnforth> !tell backnforth relayhost
[22:36:04] <knoba> backnforth: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
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[22:42:26] <backnforth> !saslclient
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