February 8, 2018 
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February 8, 2018 [00:03:35] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:03:35] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[00:03:44] *** axisys <axisys!~axisys@unaffiliated/axisys> has joined #postfix[00:04:36] *** axisys <axisys!~axisys@unaffiliated/axisys> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:05:55] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[00:30:15] *** axisys <axisys!~axisys@unaffiliated/axisys> has joined #postfix[00:30:17] *** axisys <axisys!~axisys@unaffiliated/axisys> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:36:36] <ihatewindoze> is main.cf.d and master.cf.d possible?[00:39:09] <rob0> I guess you mean a directory which would hold config snippets that Postfix would read. That's not documented, so no, that feature does not exist. But you could use make(1) and a makefile(5) to accomplish the same thing.[00:39:46] <ihatewindoze> tnx rob0[00:43:24] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@icookc.lnk.telstra.net> has joined #postfix[00:49:43] *** axisys <axisys!~axisys@unaffiliated/axisys> has joined #postfix[00:50:20] *** axisys <axisys!~axisys@unaffiliated/axisys> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[00:50:44] *** axisys <axisys!~axisys@unaffiliated/axisys> has joined #postfix[00:55:55] *** mpascale00 <mpascale00!~mpascale@207.244.71.98> has joined #postfix[01:02:16] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[01:03:13] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[01:03:13] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[01:09:03] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:b18:581:10:2d13:d47a:5788:79dd> has joined #postfix[01:25:17] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[01:33:28] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has joined 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<NightMonkey!~NightMonk@pdpc/supporter/professional/nightmonkey> has joined #postfix[07:39:59] <xernus> patdk-lap: Thank you! Exactly the answer I was looking for. Appreciate it :)[07:53:28] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@icookc.lnk.telstra.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[08:21:34] <xernus> patdk-lap: It doesn't seem like content_filter allows for changing the Return-Path header though :( The filter I wrote changes it, but after injecing it back into postfix, postfix will use the original value[08:25:36] *** juirc <juirc!~juirc@dialin-ip-21-043.ilmenau.net> has joined #postfix[08:27:28] *** Motoko <Motoko!~maoyama@simplemachines/serverteam/Motoko> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye)[08:43:31] *** juirc <juirc!~juirc@dialin-ip-21-043.ilmenau.net> has quit IRC (Quit: juirc)[09:01:04] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[09:02:44] *** epony <epony!~nym@79-100-133-168.ip.btc-net.bg> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:06:26] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has joined #postfix[09:09:17] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@58.106.177.140> has joined #postfix[09:10:30] *** V7 <V7!~v7@unaffiliated/v7> has left #postfix ("Leaving")[09:17:55] *** shal3r <shal3r!~shal3r@80.232.250.159> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:18:45] *** shal3r <shal3r!~shal3r@80.232.250.159> has joined #postfix[09:19:26] *** led_ir22 <led_ir22!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Quit: led_ir22)[09:26:54] *** epony <epony!~nym@79-100-133-168.ip.btc-net.bg> has joined #postfix[09:29:09] *** led_ir22 <led_ir22!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #postfix[09:35:11] *** Dolanyeah114 <Dolanyeah114!~dolanyeah@202.57.8.13> has quit IRC (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)[09:44:59] *** Neo4 <Neo4!~Thunderbi@67-93-55-37.pool.ukrtel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Neo4)[09:56:24] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…)[11:20:10] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has joined #postfix[11:39:15] *** Walt005 <Walt005!~WALTwalt0@p578c2a0c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[12:11:15] *** Sabathan <Sabathan!~Sabathan@fenrir.helhest.org> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[12:16:07] *** riz0n <riz0n!~rizzy@50.111.77.68> has joined #postfix[12:24:20] *** section1 <section1!~section1@152.168.219.137> has joined #postfix[12:26:08] <riz0n> I am having an issue with Postfix. I have two Postfix servers, one which serves as a mailbox server that hosts email accounts and their respective inboxes/messages, and one which serves simply as a MX gateway. Some incoming emails from certain hosts that pass through the MX to the mailbox server pass DKIM on the MX gateway for those messages, but fail DKIM when the MX pushes them on to the mailbox server. This is not happening with mail from every host,[12:26:08] <riz0n> such as google, but is failing from other hosts such as checktls.com ... Any advice to correct the mailbox server from failing DKIM on email that the MX gateway passes? Thanks![12:35:27] <riz0n> Also, from the looks of the X-Spam-Status, SA is also SPF failing the mail that passes from the MX gateway to the mailbox server.[12:36:42] *** JPT <JPT!~jpt@classified.name> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[12:38:52] *** Teraii <Teraii!~Teraii@2001:470:caaf:1::93> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[12:42:02] *** Teraii <Teraii!~Teraii@2001:470:caaf:1::93> has joined #postfix[12:48:29] *** JPT <JPT!~jpt@classified.name> has joined #postfix[13:09:01] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@148.32.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has joined #postfix[13:19:58] <patdk-lap> xernus, you don't understand return-path header then[13:20:02] <patdk-lap> that header DOES NOT EXIST[13:21:34] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@95.233.165.118> has joined #postfix[13:22:41] <rob0> xernus, that's why you were asked about the real goal yesterday. :)[13:23:38] <rob0> Return-Path is stripped if it exists upon arrival, and replaced with the value of the envelope sender.[13:23:57] <rob0> This is done by ANY MTA, not just Postfix.[13:24:28] <patdk-lap> normally by the lda though[13:24:54] <rob0> If you need to control "Return-Path" for some reason, you need to change the envelope sender.[13:25:30] <rob0> If your business does not allow you to do that, perhaps your business is not viable?[13:26:58] *** noobineer <noobineer!~noobineer@2601:401:8000:3cb:794c:d16d:c731:6470> has joined #postfix[13:26:59] *** noobineer <noobineer!~noobineer@2601:401:8000:3cb:794c:d16d:c731:6470> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[13:27:15] <rob0> Let's try again: what is it you're hoping to accomplish? If the answer is "to change the Return-Path header," just forget it and put me on /ignore if you like.[13:38:33] *** infernix <infernix!nix@unaffiliated/infernix> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net)[13:44:01] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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(jamie zawinski)[14:30:56] <ZWoz> Yeah, I know that quote, I meant that I like attitude, feeling behind that. At least I read it as SPF itself is sucky and problem and with SRS you have ugly hack making things worse[14:32:20] <ZWoz> That not forwarding part: I agree, except SMS gateway systems usually don't have good alternative delivery choices[14:33:45] <ZWoz> I know stupid guys who are doing SPF validation on SMS gateway[14:34:28] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has joined #postfix[14:45:55] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[14:50:00] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[14:55:22] *** synthroid <synthroid!synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:57:02] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@148.32.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:57:48] *** pti-jean <pti-jean!~quassel@148.32.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has joined #postfix[14:57:52] *** pti-jean <pti-jean!~quassel@148.32.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:59:33] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@148.32.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has joined #postfix[15:04:48] *** KaiForce <KaiForce!~chatzilla@99.133.184.129> has joined #postfix[15:09:49] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~Diemuzi@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has joined #postfix[15:11:10] *** monkeynuts <monkeynuts!~monkeynut@unaffiliated/monkeynuts> has left #postfix[15:22:57] *** rwb <rwb!~Thunderbi@74.85.159.242> has joined #postfix[15:29:10] *** synthroid <synthroid!synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has joined #postfix[15:31:31] *** Dolanyeah114 <Dolanyeah114!~dolanyeah@202.57.8.13> has quit IRC (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)[15:31:50] *** jeromelanteri <jeromelanteri!~jeromelan@ppp-58-9-84-206.revip2.asianet.co.th> has quit IRC (Quit: THE END)[15:49:16] *** Voovode <Voovode!~Alex@webaccess1.hq.purplewifi.net> has joined #postfix[15:54:18] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@194.2.202.81> has joined #postfix[16:04:44] *** cpm <cpm!~cpm@pdpc/supporter/active/cpm> has joined #postfix[16:12:22] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@95.233.165.118> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:12:39] <watermark> Slightly off topic. I don't much like Barracuda's email spam filters. Any recommendations on alternative spam filter appliances?[16:14:12] <colo-work> I don't know any "appliances", but I've personally used spamassassin and dspam (integrated via amavis) with success. the new kid on the block is rspamd, you might want to check that out.[16:16:01] <lunaphyte> i would not endorse any appliances[16:16:36] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@95.233.165.118> has joined #postfix[16:18:54] <colo-work> as always, it's a matter of how much of your stack you want to "own"[16:18:58] <rob0> Appliances do more or less what Postfix can do.[16:19:11] <rob0> probably with less control, of course[16:19:13] <colo-work> and if you want to be able to actually fix problems when7as they occur, or if it's enough to be able to merely shift the blame :)[16:19:23] <colo-work> s/7/\/[16:19:58] <lunaphyte> neither of those statements are untrue at all, but also neither is what i value, ultimately [other than indirectly][16:23:31] *** Voovode <Voovode!~Alex@webaccess1.hq.purplewifi.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Byeeeeeeeee!)[16:26:04] *** ws2k3 <ws2k3!freenodeyc@vps.freegamehosting.eu> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:27:43] *** ws2k3 <ws2k3!freenodeyc@vps.freegamehosting.eu> has joined #postfix[16:27:44] *** ws2k3 <ws2k3!freenodeyc@vps.freegamehosting.eu> has quit IRC (Excess Flood)[16:28:09] *** ws2k3 <ws2k3!freenodeyc@vps.freegamehosting.eu> has joined #postfix[16:35:50] *** tlaxkit <tlaxkit!~hexchat@92.189.36.210> has joined #postfix[16:47:12] <aro> i am sending email to my user i have set up on a postfix server, but i am not getting the messages[16:49:31] *** cpm <cpm!~cpm@pdpc/supporter/active/cpm> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:49:54] *** cpm <cpm!~cpm@pdpc/supporter/active/cpm> has joined #postfix[16:55:19] *** zzarr <zzarr!~zzarr@213.141.82.14> has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)[16:56:53] <lunaphyte> what does "not getting the message" actually mean?[16:59:36] <lunaphyte> did postfix deliver the message?[16:59:40] <lunaphyte> that would be in the logs,[16:59:44] <lunaphyte> *logs.[17:02:05] *** infernix <infernix!nix@unaffiliated/infernix> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net)[17:05:11] *** Amit____ <Amit____!4fb23143@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.178.49.67> has joined #postfix[17:07:10] *** Amit____ <Amit____!4fb23143@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.178.49.67> has left #postfix[17:07:27] *** SuperCuber <SuperCuber!4fb23143@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.178.49.67> has joined #postfix[17:09:02] <SuperCuber> I need help with hacking my postfix forward server to also be able to make outgoing emails. Currently my idea is to set it up so that: if an email is me at gmail dot com -> foo+bar at me dot com, set it to be me at me dot com -> foo@bar instead. If an email is from another email, forward it to me at gmail dot com. How would I do this? So far I've looked at after queue filters but I'm not sure if that fits my needs and how to utilize it.[17:10:25] <rob0> so you're running the MX for your domain, (let's call it "example.com"), but you want Google to host the mailstore?[17:11:35] <SuperCuber> basically. I will probably not be using the mail server for outgoing emails much, only for occasional "official" looking emails[17:13:45] <tuxick> 1) forwarding (to google) will lead to failure 2) change plan[17:14:12] <tuxick> !xy[17:14:12] <knoba> tuxick: "xy" : (#1) The XY problem is that you want to do X, but don't know how. You think that you can solve X by doing Y, so you ask us how to do Y. We tell you that's an odd problem to want to solve. Just ask us about the real problem., or (#2) http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem -- I want to do X, but I'm asking how to do Y...[17:14:41] <SuperCuber> forwarding to my gmail address works though?[17:15:19] <SuperCuber> so I'm not sure what you mean[17:17:14] <SuperCuber> Perhaps you misunderstood what I want to do exactly? my explanation is probably a bit hard to follow[17:20:52] <SuperCuber> rob0 tuxick should I try to rephrase what I want to do?[17:22:39] *** troys <troys!~troys@23-24-139-177-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #postfix[17:25:21] <rob0> what is an "official-looking email"?[17:25:44] <tuxick> that bit triggered my "will fail on google" :)[17:26:00] <petn-randall> One coming from whitehouse.gov?[17:26:24] <rob0> no, those are tweets, not emails ;)[17:26:25] <petn-randall> It can't get much more official than that.[17:26:34] <petn-randall> hehehe[17:26:45] <SuperCuber> "official-looking" email is an email with my domain lol[17:27:50] <rob0> so maybe you just want submission for that[17:27:54] <rob0> !submission[17:27:54] <knoba> rob0: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[17:27:59] <rob0> !sasl[17:27:59] <knoba> rob0: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.[17:28:39] <rob0> (I'd recommend Dovecot SASL even if not using Dovecot IMAP.)[17:29:33] <SuperCuber> Is there a way to make postfix give all mail to some program written by me to analyze and/or change before processing it? Because that would probably solve my issue[17:29:34] <rob0> As tuxick pointed out, the forwarding to gmail will not work well.[17:29:43] <SuperCuber> wdym by not working well?[17:29:53] <rob0> !mantras[17:29:53] <knoba> rob0: "mantras" : 1. do not accept mail that you do not intend to deliver. 2. do not drop mail. 3. do not use wildcards or catchalls. 4. do not forward mail to outside/third party systems[17:30:24] <rob0> You will get spam. You will forward it. Gmail will consider you the spam source.[17:31:14] <SuperCuber> I can probably whitelist it?[17:31:42] <thumbs> SuperCuber: no[17:31:47] <tuxick> on gmail? fat chance[17:32:17] <rob0> are you a gmail postmaster?[17:32:27] <thumbs> (I surely hope not)[17:32:51] <SuperCuber> :thinking:[17:33:34] <SuperCuber> I can whitelist on my gmail inbox lol[17:34:07] <rob0> probably the way to do it is to have gmail collect from you (I think they only support POP3 for that, but don't take my word for it)[17:34:28] <rob0> you can whitelist WHAT?[17:34:38] <SuperCuber> emails coming from my server[17:34:50] <rob0> oh?[17:34:57] <SuperCuber> also it doesn't rewrite author... right?[17:35:09] <rob0> ?[17:35:25] *** Columbo0815 <Columbo0815!~foobar@HSI-KBW-046-005-251-146.hsi8.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de> has joined #postfix[17:35:34] <rob0> "it", "rewrite author"?[17:35:35] <SuperCuber> forwarding doesn't rewrite author of mail, so gmail should still associate spam with the spammers and not with my forward server[17:36:06] <thumbs> SuperCuber: you're incredibly naive.[17:36:07] <rob0> Mail systems look at the IP address spam comes from.[17:36:29] <SuperCuber> oh makes sense[17:36:45] <SuperCuber> so ima try a different approach to what I wanna do[17:37:03] <SuperCuber> what do I do to run a mail server without using a cancer web interface from the 90's[17:37:16] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[17:37:23] <rob0> not sure how much it costs, but maybe pay them to host your mail?[17:37:52] <SuperCuber> would rather have it hosted on a vps, but that's an option[17:38:58] <rob0> well, mail hosting is very challenging[17:39:03] <thumbs> SuperCuber: you'll need to get a bit more familiar with running a mail server before you can host it yourself.[17:39:17] <thumbs> SuperCuber: it can take weeks/months or more.[17:39:19] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has joined #postfix[17:39:44] <SuperCuber> goddammit why is it so hard to have an email with a nice domain[17:40:00] <rob0> !rants[17:40:00] <knoba> rob0: "rants" : anyone, ask, away, dam, distro, dont, duh, easy, english, fcdd, fish, ghoi, goal, google, hare_krishna, have2mung, iha, magic, mailscanner, maintain, makeup, mung, no, poop, reputation, rtfm, spellitout, stfw, sweet, tias, try, tutorial, vague, wait, welcome, why, wizard[17:40:11] <rob0> !easy[17:40:11] <knoba> rob0: "easy" : unfortunately, because there are some folks who invest the time and effort to understand things, it makes emailing very easy for lots of other people, which seems to foster the notion that it couldn't possibly be any more complex than clicking send. this, of course, is not the case. as with most things, you get what you put in. also see !maintain[17:40:15] <thumbs> SuperCuber: running a mail server, and maintaining it, is the most difficult IT tasks you're likely to ever face.[17:40:33] <thumbs> SuperCuber: I recommend you do not do it.[17:41:19] <rob0> If it IS something you want to learn, do it with a "play" domain at first, not something that matters.[17:42:01] <SuperCuber> well currently I am using a play domain, I don't plan on telling people to send me mail on that address until I am sure it's working as I want[17:42:31] <rob0> That "hard" is the choice between investing the time or spending some money.[17:43:23] <SuperCuber> well considering that investing time will also require spending money on a vps...[17:43:35] <rob0> true[17:46:07] *** infernix <infernix!nix@unaffiliated/infernix> has joined #postfix[17:48:00] *** SuperCuber <SuperCuber!4fb23143@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.178.49.67> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[17:50:17] *** Walt005 <Walt005!~WALTwalt0@p578c2a0c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[17:50:21] *** imm__ <imm__!~imm_@dh207-8-44.xnet.hr> has joined #postfix[17:52:20] *** imm_ <imm_!~imm_@unaffiliated/imm/x-7821412> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[18:05:17] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[18:05:53] *** noobineer <noobineer!~noobineer@2601:401:8000:3cb:95f1:4a72:8870:d887> has joined #postfix[18:06:48] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@181.167.195.114> has joined #postfix[18:11:11] <aro> how do i know if postfix is delivering the message[18:12:15] <petn-randall> aro: Look at the logs.[18:12:21] <aro> which log[18:12:49] <aro> i am tailing /var/log/maillog[18:12:59] <petn-randall> aro: That depends on your OS, and how you configured your syslog.[18:13:12] <aro> i am using centos[18:13:21] <petn-randall> aro: That would be the right one, yes.[18:14:36] <aro> when i send email to myself @ gmail.com, gmail gets the emssage[18:14:47] <aro> but when i send from gmail to myself, it doesnt get there[18:16:26] <aro> where could the message possibly be going?[18:16:53] <petn-randall> aro: Do you have a MX record set?[18:17:04] <aro> i do[18:17:31] <aro> i have an a-record for itechmail.vengeance.io pointing to my server ip[18:17:48] <aro> then an MX record with priority 10 pointing to my a-record for itechmail.vengeance.io[18:19:03] <petn-randall> aro: Are you sending it to foo at itechmail dot vengeance.io?[18:19:13] <aro> no, sending it to tld[18:19:21] <aro> vengeance.io[18:19:28] <petn-randall> aro: Your TLD doesn't have a MX record, though.[18:19:43] <aro> ah ha[18:19:46] <aro> let me add one[18:21:58] <petn-randall> aro: If there's no MX set, a conforming MTA will send it to the A record. So whatever vengeance.io resolves to.[18:22:19] <petn-randall> aro: If the port is blocked, that's usually seen as a temporary fail and retried later.[18:22:58] <aro> what port will it send on? 25?[18:23:05] <petn-randall> yes[18:23:38] <rob0> !logs[18:23:38] <knoba> rob0: "logs" : Postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. You can usually find them with ls /var/log/mail*; otherwise see your system's syslog server documentation. Also see !nologs and !mung[18:23:44] <rob0> !nologs[18:23:44] <knoba> rob0: "nologs" : Nothing in your mail logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question. also see !logs.[18:23:56] <aro> OOOOOOOOOO[18:24:00] <aro> i just got a thing[18:24:07] <aro> but it said recipient address rejected[18:24:26] <aro> 550 5.1.1 <itech at vengeance dot io>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table; from=<barry.chapman at gmail dot com> to=<itech at vengeance dot io> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail-qk0-f169.google.com>[18:24:46] <rob0> !unknown_local[18:24:46] <knoba> rob0: "unknown_local" : User unknown in local recipient table means that the recipient domain was found in $mydestination but the username was not found in local_recipient_maps (by default: users in /etc/passwd and aliases(5) in /etc/aliases).[18:24:58] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@95.233.165.118> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:25:09] <aro> i am using an sql lookup through dovecot[18:32:15] *** Darcidride_ <Darcidride_!~Darcidrid@dmt69-1-88-180-172-161.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #postfix[18:36:24] *** Darcidride_ <Darcidride_!~Darcidrid@dmt69-1-88-180-172-161.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[18:37:32] *** noobineer <noobineer!~noobineer@2601:401:8000:3cb:95f1:4a72:8870:d887> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[18:38:15] *** sebastienthiry <sebastienthiry!~Thunderbi@91.177.165.137> has joined #postfix[18:41:19] *** Death_rattle__ <Death_rattle__!~death@200116b8206196007078d16ee587f1e4.dip.versatel-1u1.de> has joined #postfix[18:43:31] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@95.233.165.118> has joined #postfix[18:45:43] *** Darcidride_ <Darcidride_!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10::719e:e3e1> has joined #postfix[18:47:32] *** aro <aro!aro@unaffiliated/aro> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[18:47:56] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Quit: inabit. zz.)[19:10:36] *** sep <sep!~sep@2a04:2747:7e0b:d700:52e5:49ff:feeb:32> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:10:58] *** sep <sep!~sep@2a04:2747:7e0b:d700:52e5:49ff:feeb:32> has joined #postfix[19:17:26] *** infernix <infernix!nix@unaffiliated/infernix> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[19:20:40] *** infernix <infernix!nix@unaffiliated/infernix> has joined #postfix[19:25:01] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-46-244-252-24.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[19:28:47] *** ArturSha1 <ArturSha1!~artur-sha@212.112.100.88> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[19:42:07] <pj> !tell aro getting_help[19:42:07] <knoba> aro: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[19:47:21] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has joined #postfix[19:57:55] *** pinPoint <pinPoint!~pinPoint@about/windows/regular/pinpoint> has quit IRC (Quit: Incoming fire has the right of way.)[19:59:14] *** section1 <section1!~section1@152.168.219.137> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[20:00:48] *** pinPoint <pinPoint!~pinPoint@about/windows/regular/pinpoint> has joined #postfix[20:04:12] *** tlaxkit <tlaxkit!~hexchat@92.189.36.210> has quit IRC (Quit: Saliendo...)[20:08:00] *** sebastienthiry <sebastienthiry!~Thunderbi@91.177.165.137> has quit IRC (Quit: sebastienthiry)[20:13:28] <jimpop> !nullclient[20:13:28] <knoba> jimpop: "nullclient" : (#1) a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details., or (#2) See http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#null_client[20:13:47] <jimpop> !nullclient_software[20:13:47] <knoba> jimpop: "nullclient_software" : a program that serves as a drop in replacement for /usr/sbin/sendmail and provides a simple means to submit messages to an existing msa without the need to install and maintain a full-blown mta/msa. examples include msmtp, esmtp, ssmtp and nullmailer. also see !msa[20:13:58] <jimpop> !msa[20:13:58] <knoba> jimpop: "msa" : Message Submission Agent : a process which accepts message submissions from MUAs on port 587 known as 'message submission service' using the 'message submission protocol' defined by rfc4409. To enable message submission service in postfix uncomment the relevant lines in master.cf. also see !submission.[20:14:10] <jimpop> which one supports sasl?[20:17:21] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[20:22:10] <thumbs> I like msmtp[20:22:28] *** letterman <letterman!~Edge@65.216.148.173> has joined #postfix[20:22:59] <letterman> Can I pay a bounty for someone to help me fix my install? My tech is halfway around the world and I broke my virtual domains and aliases[20:23:51] <letterman> I've got ethereum, bitcoin, or ripple take your pick[20:24:09] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-46-244-252-24.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:27:31] <thumbs> !tell letterman welcome[20:27:31] <knoba> letterman: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![20:27:43] <thumbs> letterman: you'll need to do some work on your own.[20:31:54] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[20:33:24] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has joined #postfix[20:40:30] *** imm__ <imm__!~imm_@dh207-8-44.xnet.hr> has left #postfix[20:40:47] <letterman> I don't do this work, I pay to have this work done.[20:40:50] *** imm_ <imm_!~imm_@unaffiliated/imm/x-7821412> has joined #postfix[20:41:03] <letterman> Is there a jobs board or something that I can offer a bounty?[20:41:50] <thumbs> letterman: there's probably one on the Internet[20:41:58] <thumbs> letterman: however, this is not a freelance channel.[20:43:48] <letterman> okay, let me try a question. I'm running the tvial/docker-mailserver:latest docker container for postfix, and I was trying to setup virtual domains following these instructions: https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fhelp.ubuntu.com%2Fcommunity%2FPostfixBasicSetupHowto%23Local_Alias_database&h=ATO12_zugwJGCktoM1dflM-vhoRQfe2MGE7j-VdVM5mY2veFHibShsFZ4TSNcgU0W6wg0v5JI2aNpmUeREtPj2oVbwqTJkSItYmVHPMmsmZNXXeMeXaavE_vS8pWmlhfsrDITh1E[20:44:08] <lunaphyte> oh, good. more docker garbage![20:44:13] *** Darcidride_ <Darcidride_!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10::719e:e3e1> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye.)[20:44:33] <letterman> however, when I finished going through the instructions, it broke all the mailboxes and now nothing is being delivered anywhere[20:45:24] <thumbs> !tell letterman welcome[20:45:24] <knoba> letterman: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![20:45:41] <letterman> !tell thumbs welcome[20:45:41] <knoba> thumbs: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![20:47:05] <thumbs> letterman: that's not how it works, no.[20:47:20] <thumbs> letterman: if you want to be obnoxious, go to it elsewhere.[20:47:34] <letterman> I'm sorry, am I the one spamming the channel with bots?[20:47:38] <lunaphyte> your best chance at help here would be to follow the directions[20:47:47] <letterman> I asked to pay or help was told I couldn't and then asked a question[20:48:07] <thumbs> letterman: in order to answer your question, we need to follow the factoid.[20:48:14] <thumbs> *you[20:48:51] <lunaphyte> but since these docker containers are almost invariably trash, it's most likely you'll need to contact the person/people who you got the container from[20:48:57] <thumbs> letterman: you were given the factoid again because you ignored it, specifically.[20:48:58] <letterman> this is why opensource has such low uptake in the market[20:49:05] <lunaphyte> right, exactly[20:49:15] <lunaphyte> very low uptake with people who act like you, indeed![20:49:17] <thumbs> letterman: well, have a nice day, then. The door is that way.[20:49:32] <letterman> ciao[20:49:35] *** letterman <letterman!~Edge@65.216.148.173> has left #postfix ("Leaving")[20:49:41] <lunaphyte> shocking[21:05:47] *** DTZUZO <DTZUZO!~DTZUZO@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[21:07:28] *** rebbdohr <rebbdohr!~rebbdohr@2a02:908:1874:3aa0:acaa:89ca:9d36:4515> has joined #postfix[21:08:17] *** cpm <cpm!~cpm@pdpc/supporter/active/cpm> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:08:29] <rebbdohr> Hello everybody. Can someone help me figuring out how to ensure the usage of recent tls versions and ciphers with postfix?[21:09:49] <lunaphyte> the defaults should be fine[21:10:01] <lunaphyte> is there a specific issue you are trying to resolve?[21:18:33] *** rebbdohr <rebbdohr!~rebbdohr@2a02:908:1874:3aa0:acaa:89ca:9d36:4515> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:24:42] *** mattcen <mattcen!~mattcen@c122-108-68-124.sunsh1.vic.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[21:28:30] *** mattcen <mattcen!~mattcen@c122-108-68-124.sunsh1.vic.optusnet.com.au> has joined #postfix[21:34:54] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[21:38:00] *** rebbdohr <rebbdohr!~rebbdohr@2a02:908:1874:3aa0:4dcf:e3d2:be3d:f322> has joined #postfix[21:38:17] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has joined #postfix[21:42:10] *** rebbdohr <rebbdohr!~rebbdohr@2a02:908:1874:3aa0:4dcf:e3d2:be3d:f322> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:51:35] *** rebbdohr <rebbdohr!~rebbdohr@2a02:908:1874:3aa0:4dcf:e3d2:be3d:f322> has joined #postfix[22:18:24] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:b18:581:10:2d13:d47a:5788:79dd> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:19:16] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:b18:581:10:25b8:97e7:4e17:9288> has joined #postfix[22:25:57] *** rwb <rwb!~Thunderbi@74.85.159.242> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:26:10] *** rebbdohr <rebbdohr!~rebbdohr@2a02:908:1874:3aa0:4dcf:e3d2:be3d:f322> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:26:43] *** rebbdohr <rebbdohr!~rebbdohr@2a02:908:1874:3aa0:4dcf:e3d2:be3d:f322> has joined #postfix[22:29:41] <rob0> haha, "low uptake in the market"[22:30:06] <thumbs> rob0: that sounds like Chris[22:32:41] *** zapata is now known as Guest27248[22:51:03] *** synthroid <synthroid!synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has quit IRC ()[22:54:03] *** KaiForce <KaiForce!~chatzilla@99.133.184.129> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 52.6.0/20180118122319])[22:58:43] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:58:58] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[22:59:32] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:01:00] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[23:01:08] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:03:23] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has joined #postfix[23:03:29] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[23:03:32] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.32.124> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:04:15] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[23:13:57] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@58.106.177.140> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[23:17:10] *** aindilis <aindilis!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[23:20:02] *** rwb <rwb!~Thunderbi@65.183.151.121> has joined #postfix[23:27:06] *** rebbdohr <rebbdohr!~rebbdohr@2a02:908:1874:3aa0:4dcf:e3d2:be3d:f322> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:27:20] *** rebbdohr <rebbdohr!~rebbdohr@2a02:908:1874:3aa0:4dcf:e3d2:be3d:f322> has joined #postfix[23:27:25] *** rebbdohr <rebbdohr!~rebbdohr@2a02:908:1874:3aa0:4dcf:e3d2:be3d:f322> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:27:30] *** epony <epony!~nym@79-100-133-168.ip.btc-net.bg> has quit IRC (Quit: QUIT)[23:31:27] *** Death_rattle__ <Death_rattle__!~death@200116b8206196007078d16ee587f1e4.dip.versatel-1u1.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:36:01] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[23:36:03] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@148.32.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:36:14] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@181.167.195.114> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:38:26] *** chowbok <chowbok!~chowbok@207.181.255.76> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[23:40:20] *** chowbok <chowbok!~chowbok@207.181.255.76> has joined #postfix[23:42:17] *** Tulah <Tulah!~tulah@durhur.fi> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[23:43:05] *** Tulah <Tulah!~tulah@durhur.fi> has joined #postfix[23:46:37] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[23:49:37] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[23:49:37] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[