February 7, 2018 
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February 7, 2018 [00:00:52] *** ViolentTango <ViolentTango!~ViolentTa@d8d87066d.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[00:01:55] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@58.106.177.140> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:18:43] *** Splix76 <Splix76!~Splix76@75-169-169-234.slkc.qwest.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[00:58:38] *** Neo4 <Neo4!~Thunderbi@246-79-55-37.pool.ukrtel.net> has joined #postfix[01:07:17] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Quit: inabit. zz.)[01:13:11] *** thansen <thansen!thansenone@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-dybgxvqferxoiddo> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:13:12] *** pavi[m] <pavi[m]!pavidisroo@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-omwzclivdtmuhqpk> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[01:15:40] *** monkeynuts <monkeynuts!~monkeynut@unaffiliated/monkeynuts> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:16:15] *** gruceqq <gruceqq!~gruceqq@fx.annexet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[01:16:52] *** gruceqq <gruceqq!~gruceqq@fx.annexet.pl> has joined #postfix[01:17:22] *** sputnik <sputnik!kli0rf@unaffiliated/kli0rf> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[01:18:14] *** monkeynuts <monkeynuts!~monkeynut@unaffiliated/monkeynuts> has joined #postfix[01:20:30] *** sputnik <sputnik!kli0rf@unaffiliated/kli0rf> has joined #postfix[01:25:14] *** monkeynuts <monkeynuts!~monkeynut@unaffiliated/monkeynuts> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection timed out)[01:25:39] *** monkeynuts <monkeynuts!~monkeynut@unaffiliated/monkeynuts> has joined #postfix[01:30:05] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@icookc.lnk.telstra.net> has joined #postfix[01:34:00] *** bs <bs!bs@sahara.sigint.pw> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in)[01:34:01] *** bs_ <bs_!bs@sahara.sigint.pw> has joined #postfix[01:34:01] *** bs_ is now known as bs[01:39:46] *** Lissanol <Lissanol!~Lissanol@2607:fb90:780d:f6a5:0:4b:c7fd:c101> has joined #postfix[01:40:46] *** Lissanol <Lissanol!~Lissanol@2607:fb90:780d:f6a5:0:4b:c7fd:c101> has left #postfix[01:43:32] *** cxchef <cxchef!94871@bolt.sonic.net> has joined #postfix[01:46:15] <cxchef> I need to test/verify a number of remote smtp (Postfix) servers' TLS state -- whether they're STARTTLS advertising/capable, *and* whether they're setup for opportunistic or mandatory TLS encryption.[01:46:15] <cxchef> The 1st is easy enough with a telnet probe. The latter by sending **from** a TLS-disabled server.[01:46:15] <cxchef> *IS* there a simple telnet/openssl probe to verify the second -- TLS required, or not?[01:47:01] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[01:48:18] *** pavi[m] <pavi[m]!pavidisroo@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-iijfffwusedbvlqr> has joined #postfix[01:56:42] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has joined #postfix[01:57:01] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:57:40] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has joined #postfix[01:58:44] *** cxchef <cxchef!94871@bolt.sonic.net> has quit IRC (Quit: cxchef)[02:05:10] <rob0> the answer was no[02:11:52] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: cemotyz09)[02:12:17] *** ihatewindoze <ihatewindoze!~jwpierce3@mail.trunkmasters.com> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 2.0.1)[02:13:08] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[02:15:01] *** ihatewindoze <ihatewindoze!~jwpierce3@mail.trunkmasters.com> has joined #postfix[02:16:38] *** jrj_ <jrj_!~jrj@net-e.bebifood.ru> has joined #postfix[02:17:54] *** thansen <thansen!thansenone@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-imjnrayhxydjrqcn> has joined #postfix[02:19:08] *** jrj <jrj!~jrj@r.irk.bebifood.ru> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[02:21:02] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[02:26:31] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:28:37] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[02:50:31] *** Ellenor is now known as Reinhilde[03:03:42] *** aindilis <aindilis!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:11:06] *** aro <aro!aro@unaffiliated/aro> has joined #postfix[03:11:46] <aro> is it possible to set up postfix as an IMAP relay? our host currently blocks port 993, but if we were to connect to a relay listening on like 512, and then forward that traffic to the destination at 993, is that possible?[03:12:48] <thumbs> aro: what in the world?[03:13:06] <aro> i know[03:13:07] <aro> haha[03:13:32] <lunaphyte> you shouldn't be using 993 anyway[03:13:35] <lunaphyte> use 143[03:13:37] <aro> tl;dr, we need to connect to an imap server from our web app, but our host for our webapp blocks 993. I need to know what oooptions i ahve to connect to it[03:13:40] <aro> 143 is non ssl[03:13:45] <lunaphyte> no, it's not[03:14:01] <lunaphyte> who told you that? :( shame on them[03:14:04] <aro> why does every imap provider i have come across over the last two days use 993 then[03:14:17] <lunaphyte> because they are dumb?[03:14:38] <aro> possibly[03:14:43] <aro> but theres a lot of them[03:14:48] <lunaphyte> use port 143, and use starttls[03:15:28] <aro> ok[03:15:39] <aro> gmail requires port 993 though, which is where our imap box is[03:15:54] <aro> which is why i wondered if i could just relay that traffic[03:16:39] <thumbs> why is your host blocking port 993 to begin with?[03:16:41] <lunaphyte> well, tbh, the answer could be yes, but really - what is with the blocking? that's pretty silly[03:17:16] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:17:30] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has joined #postfix[03:18:05] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:18:18] <aro> because they are bastards[03:18:22] <aro> actually[03:18:32] <aro> they got the platform hosted on GCE[03:18:34] <lunaphyte> you can use something like dovecot, nginx, haproxy, others, to do this sort of thing, but what you're doing is adding more complexity and garbage to avoid a problem, instead of fixing the problem, and that is never good[03:18:44] <aro> and google required them to block 993 as part of the contract[03:19:01] <aro> so our app connecting to gmail on port 993 is out of the question[03:19:04] <lunaphyte> gce as in google compute engine?[03:19:26] <aro> es[03:19:27] <aro> yes[03:19:32] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@95.233.165.118> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:19:51] <aro> they used to host us on a rackspace lease, which did not block 993[03:20:07] <lunaphyte> well, we've probably ventured far enough off topic here for now, as this is definitely not postfix related[03:20:34] <aro> i just wondered if postfix could route traffic from (143 for example) to 993[03:20:39] <lunaphyte> you could join another channel for the software you might use, or there's always ##email too, if you're interested[03:20:41] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has joined #postfix[03:20:51] <lunaphyte> yeah, postfix has nothing at all to do with that in any way[03:21:04] <aro> what would do that? dovecot?[03:21:15] <lunaphyte> oh[03:21:17] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:21:24] <lunaphyte> you didn't read what i wrote?[03:23:33] <aro> just did :)[03:25:24] <lunaphyte> oh good[03:26:41] <pj> aro: well to answer your question, postfix doesn't do IMAP so it can't route anything in that protocol, but you should be able to use STARTTLS over 143 to a conforming IMAP server anyways, so there's no need to route it to 993 to get TLS encryption.[03:26:53] <aro> ok[03:28:01] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Quit: inabit. zz.)[03:53:45] *** nomeed <nomeed!~nomeed@p54A2461B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[03:54:31] *** pavi[m] <pavi[m]!pavidisroo@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-iijfffwusedbvlqr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[03:54:41] *** thansen <thansen!thansenone@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-imjnrayhxydjrqcn> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:55:55] *** magyar <magyar!~magyar@unaffiliated/magyar> has joined #postfix[03:55:56] *** nomeed <nomeed!~nomeed@p54A24B2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[03:56:45] *** magyar_ <magyar_!~magyar@unaffiliated/magyar> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[03:57:02] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: cemotyz09)[04:00:19] *** mETz <mETz!~DermETz@2a02:2028:647:ce01:21f:e2ff:fe5d:f742> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[04:06:14] *** mETz <mETz!~DermETz@2a02:2028:527:aa01:21f:e2ff:fe5d:f742> has joined #postfix[04:23:36] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has joined #postfix[04:28:29] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[04:31:12] *** lunaphyte <lunaphyte!~lunaphyte@unaffiliated/lunaphyte> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[04:31:44] *** lunaphyte <lunaphyte!~lunaphyte@unaffiliated/lunaphyte> has joined #postfix[04:47:04] *** jeromelanteri <jeromelanteri!~jeromelan@ppp-58-9-84-206.revip2.asianet.co.th> has joined #postfix[04:48:03] <jeromelanteri> hi, i not understand what is the virutal_uid_maps and virtual_gid_maps variable to be defined inside main.cf file[04:48:28] <jeromelanteri> what this uid/gid user can do ? do i need to create one ?[04:49:02] <jeromelanteri> and i installed postgresql database... what should be the relation between this user and the one (postfix) who access database ?[04:49:48] <jeromelanteri> i'm searching a link who explain all of this "clearly" (for me), if you have one, i would be happy with that.[04:55:13] <jeromelanteri> also, i would like to understand, with a databse, i can get some virtual domain and address of user mailbox (from there i can create some).[04:55:57] <jeromelanteri> but mails are recorded inside files ? not inside database ? correct ? or is it possible to write/read mails content form database ? where the attached files are recorded also ?[04:59:24] <rob0> Postfix does not (and will never) support delivery to a database.[04:59:29] <rob0> !dbmail[04:59:29] <knoba> rob0: "dbmail" : an !mda, !imap and !pop3 server that uses an SQL backend for the mail store. Whether this is a good thing is left as an exercise for the reader. See http://www.dbmail.org/[05:00:06] <rob0> Dbmail accepts mail via LMTP, and it handles writing to the database.[05:00:12] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[05:00:19] <rob0> !virtual_uid_maps[05:00:19] <knoba> rob0: "virtual_uid_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Lookup tables with the per-recipient user ID that the virtual(8) delivery agent uses while writing to the recipient's mailbox.[05:01:02] <rob0> ^^ see, those are the UIDs used by the Postfix virtual(8) delivery agent.[05:01:17] *** chachasmooth_ <chachasmooth_!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[05:02:23] <rob0> Most of the insecure examples you will find through el Goog use a single UID and GID for all delivery.[05:02:52] <rob0> (even the example in the !virtual readme document is like that)[05:06:18] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@icookc.lnk.telstra.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[05:08:07] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@icookc.lnk.telstra.net> has joined #postfix[05:10:00] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[05:15:18] <pj> two options if you must use an sql mailstore...[05:15:22] <pj> !dbmail[05:15:22] <knoba> pj: "dbmail" : an !mda, !imap and !pop3 server that uses an SQL backend for the mail store. Whether this is a good thing is left as an exercise for the reader. See http://www.dbmail.org/[05:15:26] <pj> !archiveopteryx[05:15:26] <knoba> pj: "archiveopteryx" : An !mda, !imap and !pop3 server that uses an SQL backend for the mail store. Whether this is a good thing is left as an exercise for the reader. See http://archiveopteryx.org/[05:15:48] <pj> neither is recommended or supported here.[05:20:55] *** lunaphyte <lunaphyte!~lunaphyte@unaffiliated/lunaphyte> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[05:21:10] *** WakiMiko <WakiMiko!~WakiMiko@unaffiliated/wakimiko> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[05:21:37] *** WakiMiko <WakiMiko!~WakiMiko@unaffiliated/wakimiko> has joined #postfix[05:22:19] *** lunaphyte <lunaphyte!~lunaphyte@unaffiliated/lunaphyte> has joined #postfix[05:24:41] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has joined #postfix[05:26:58] *** bs <bs!bs@sahara.sigint.pw> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in)[05:27:12] *** bs <bs!bs@sahara.sigint.pw> has joined #postfix[05:29:32] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[05:35:36] *** epony <epony!~nym@79-100-133-168.ip.btc-net.bg> has quit IRC (Quit: QUIT)[05:56:10] *** WakiMiko <WakiMiko!~WakiMiko@unaffiliated/wakimiko> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[05:56:37] *** WakiMiko <WakiMiko!~WakiMiko@unaffiliated/wakimiko> has joined #postfix[06:06:14] *** WakiMiko <WakiMiko!~WakiMiko@unaffiliated/wakimiko> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[06:06:42] *** WakiMiko <WakiMiko!~WakiMiko@unaffiliated/wakimiko> has joined #postfix[06:07:34] *** Neo4 <Neo4!~Thunderbi@246-79-55-37.pool.ukrtel.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:07:54] *** Neo4 <Neo4!~Thunderbi@246-79-55-37.pool.ukrtel.net> has joined #postfix[06:12:32] *** lunaphyte <lunaphyte!~lunaphyte@unaffiliated/lunaphyte> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[06:13:27] *** lunaphyte <lunaphyte!~lunaphyte@unaffiliated/lunaphyte> has joined #postfix[06:25:34] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has joined #postfix[06:26:02] *** WakiMiko <WakiMiko!~WakiMiko@unaffiliated/wakimiko> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[06:26:30] *** WakiMiko <WakiMiko!~WakiMiko@unaffiliated/wakimiko> has joined #postfix[06:30:32] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[06:40:53] <jeromelanteri> pj, knoba rob0, ok. I look at your links, but it still confuse for me. database store virtual mail informations... correct ? not emails content.[06:41:44] <jeromelanteri> i don't want specificaly stroe email contents inside a databse also... i'm trying to understand[06:41:46] <rob0> correct[06:42:10] <jeromelanteri> ok. so uid and gid for virtual is for access of files of emails contents ?[06:42:48] <rob0> read/write privilege for the mailbox, yes[06:42:52] <jeromelanteri> and this exemple of configuration store emails contents inside database... https://blog.za3k.com/installing-email-with-postfix-and-dovecot/[06:43:02] <jeromelanteri> (that is better to not do)[06:43:41] <rob0> IF you are using the Postfix virtual(8) MDA, the virtual settings are used.[06:43:59] <rob0> most blogs are not worth reading for this[06:44:53] <rob0> Agai, Postfix has never had and WILL never have the feature of writing mail to a database.[06:44:55] <jeromelanteri> rob0, i do use postfiadmin[06:45:04] <jeromelanteri> rob0, ok[06:45:29] <jeromelanteri> i think in the example linked it is for store from dovecot instead...[06:46:11] <jeromelanteri> there is so many configurations that i fell myself disapointed. I need to understand better.[06:46:44] <jeromelanteri> is there a general tutorial for teach how to use/how works postfix ?[06:47:23] <rob0> well, start at:[06:47:26] <rob0> !basic[06:47:26] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[06:47:42] <rob0> Do that before you get into all this pgsql stuff.[06:47:44] <jeromelanteri> ok, thank you rob0, i'm going to read this carrefuly[06:49:54] <jeromelanteri> what does "postaster" mean ?[06:50:04] <jeromelanteri> is it "postfix" user ?[06:56:21] *** magyar <magyar!~magyar@unaffiliated/magyar> has quit IRC (Quit: Riding the split)[06:58:03] *** led_ir22 <led_ir22!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Quit: led_ir22)[07:10:35] *** thansen <thansen!thansenone@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-dvbabtkheqzbveqt> has joined #postfix[07:16:29] *** troys <troys!~troys@23-24-139-177-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye)[07:17:27] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~Diemuzi@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has quit IRC (Quit: See you on the flip side)[07:20:31] *** ptx0 <ptx0!~cheesus_c@unaffiliated/ptx0> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:22:32] *** Dolanyeah114 <Dolanyeah114!~dolanyeah@202.57.8.13> has joined #postfix[07:23:56] *** ptx0 <ptx0!~cheesus_c@unaffiliated/ptx0> has joined #postfix[07:26:17] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has joined #postfix[07:26:51] *** pavi[m] <pavi[m]!pavidisroo@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-swrpkaenmcrbxhiv> has joined #postfix[07:31:14] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[07:34:05] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@icookc.lnk.telstra.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[07:42:53] *** ptx0 <ptx0!~cheesus_c@unaffiliated/ptx0> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:51:19] *** ptx0 <ptx0!~cheesus_c@unaffiliated/ptx0> has joined #postfix[08:23:31] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has quit IRC (Quit: quit)[08:26:59] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has joined #postfix[08:29:46] *** ViolentTango <ViolentTango!~ViolentTa@d8d87066d.access.telenet.be> has joined #postfix[08:32:09] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[08:34:05] *** ariscop <ariscop!~Phase4@58.106.177.140> has joined #postfix[08:50:56] *** Kellin <Kellin!Kellin@unaffiliated/kellin> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[09:06:12] *** Kellin <Kellin!Kellin@unaffiliated/kellin> has joined #postfix[09:09:17] *** ss942 <ss942!~krystian@89.238.53.32> has joined #postfix[09:09:38] <spaceone> does anyone have experience with microsoft's services ale blocking incoming mails from own mail servers? how to fix this? i saw a lot of forum posts about this but never a solution[09:10:32] <spaceone> I get a link to: https://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors and "550 5.7.1" … "part of their network is on our block list (AS3140)"[09:13:53] *** jer0me <jer0me!~jerome@62-210-220-242.rev.poneytelecom.eu> has left #postfix[09:19:07] <tuxick> sounds clear enough[09:26:11] <spaceone> tuxick: hm, well not really.[09:26:21] <spaceone> my network range is on the block list[09:26:30] <spaceone> so what do i have to do to unblock myself?[09:26:53] <spaceone> and what's the reason for the blocking[09:27:49] <spaceone> it prevents self-hosted mail servers on regular root-servers by german ISP's (strato), if there isn't a way to unblock[09:28:03] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has joined #postfix[09:28:26] <spaceone> and microshit is the only one blocking me since years[09:28:42] <ZWoz> spaceone, reason is something you aren't going get from them. This is unpleasant, if you have big client base, but you need yourself analyze your outgoing traffic logs.[09:28:48] <ZWoz> But they have few tools[09:28:59] <ZWoz> Depends, do you have asn?[09:29:15] <tuxick> spaceone: in general it means it's time to get religious[09:29:31] <tuxick> and pray to the holy bill[09:29:45] <tuxick> friends don't let friends use hotmail[09:29:47] <ZWoz> spaceone, for ISP-s - https://postmaster.live.com/snds/index.aspx[09:30:10] <spaceone> ZWoz: no asn[09:31:02] <spaceone> ZWoz: thank you, i will try this contact form first[09:31:23] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[09:32:44] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[09:53:16] *** bolt <bolt!~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[10:05:27] *** ViolentTango <ViolentTango!~ViolentTa@d8d87066d.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[10:16:23] <ss942> I have hard days with trying to pipe mail to script. I just come to point where I asked myself "what if every tut/doc I followed shows how to do it without postgres, and I have to do very different steps if I had setup database?"[10:16:23] <ss942> Is there a possibility that my toughs are correct?[10:18:10] <tuxick> step 1: forget tutorials[10:18:28] <tuxick> step 2: what is the goal?[10:22:19] *** bolt <bolt!~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has joined #postfix[10:23:13] <ss942> tuxick: to pipe mail to script I changed master.conf as documentation asked me to change, and nothing has changed. I also wonder how postfix would know how to use "myscript" user if I hadn't revealed it's password anywhere.[10:24:34] <ZWoz> ss942, why you need pipe mail to script? what is coal, problem that this script solves?[10:24:47] <tuxick> !xy[10:24:47] <knoba> tuxick: "xy" : (#1) The XY problem is that you want to do X, but don't know how. You think that you can solve X by doing Y, so you ask us how to do Y. We tell you that's an odd problem to want to solve. Just ask us about the real problem., or (#2) http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem -- I want to do X, but I'm asking how to do Y...[10:25:19] <tuxick> usually boils down to "manager"[10:26:13] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[10:28:18] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@194.2.202.81> has joined #postfix[10:28:47] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has joined #postfix[10:30:10] <ZWoz> ss942: point being, depending your problem there is easier and safer options[10:33:47] *** albech <albech!~Thunderbi@188.120.88.132> has joined #postfix[10:33:57] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[11:03:52] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:03:55] *** mikecmpb_ <mikecmpb_!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[11:13:12] *** bramgn <bramgn!~bramgn@ti0128a400-1333.bb.online.no> has joined #postfix[11:29:34] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has joined #postfix[11:34:11] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[11:43:14] *** Neo4 <Neo4!~Thunderbi@246-79-55-37.pool.ukrtel.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:55:30] *** aindilis <aindilis!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has joined #postfix[12:17:54] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@95.233.165.118> has joined #postfix[12:22:21] *** section1 <section1!~section1@152.168.219.137> has joined #postfix[12:30:23] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has joined #postfix[12:35:07] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[12:35:14] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@148.32.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has joined #postfix[12:42:44] *** mikecmpb_ <mikecmpb_!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Quit: inabit. zz.)[12:43:40] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[12:51:42] *** jrj_ <jrj_!~jrj@net-e.bebifood.ru> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:52:10] *** jrj_ <jrj_!~jrj@r.irk.bebifood.ru> has joined #postfix[13:05:47] *** aindilis <aindilis!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:06:46] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has joined #postfix[13:07:55] *** aindilis` <aindilis`!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has joined #postfix[13:11:04] *** Neo4 <Neo4!~Thunderbi@246-79-55-37.pool.ukrtel.net> has joined #postfix[13:28:50] *** jimpop <jimpop!~jimpop@pdpc/supporter/professional/jimpop> has quit IRC (Quit: leaving)[13:49:47] *** jimpop <jimpop!~jimpop@pdpc/supporter/professional/jimpop> has joined #postfix[14:07:09] *** bramgn <bramgn!~bramgn@ti0128a400-1333.bb.online.no> has left #postfix[14:14:02] *** xernus <xernus!~xernus@25533.s.t4vps.eu> has joined #postfix[14:15:24] <xernus> Hi, is there an option that like sender_canonical_maps gives the ability to rewrite the return-path, but which sends more information than only the requested sender address? I need a way to connect the e-mails rewritten with sender_canonical_maps to the emails handled in the policy daemon[14:22:35] *** heroux <heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-btndaonovwpyhdnr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[14:23:51] *** heroux <heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-nigbigkaabqiasgb> has joined #postfix[14:33:46] <patdk-lap> no[14:33:47] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@95.233.165.118> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:34:00] <patdk-lap> yes you can rewrite the return path that isn't an issue[14:34:14] <patdk-lap> but you cannot do multible at once and know about each of them, they are independant[14:37:32] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@95.233.165.118> has joined #postfix[14:42:24] <lunaphyte> this sounds like !xy :([14:42:31] <lunaphyte> tell xernus !xy[14:42:38] <lunaphyte> bah[14:42:42] <lunaphyte> !tell xernus xy[14:42:42] <knoba> xernus: "xy" : (#1) The XY problem is that you want to do X, but don't know how. You think that you can solve X by doing Y, so you ask us how to do Y. We tell you that's an odd problem to want to solve. Just ask us about the real problem., or (#2) http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem -- I want to do X, but I'm asking how to do Y...[14:44:28] <tuxick> imo it should be "I want to do Y, but I'm asking how to do X"[14:44:35] <tuxick> makes more sense to me anyway[14:55:40] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[15:11:03] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has joined #postfix[15:11:20] <ss942> god damn u are useful as f*[15:11:55] <ss942> another person another "the problem you are trying to solve isn't your real problem" answer[15:12:21] <lunaphyte> do you have a problem?[15:12:36] <lunaphyte> reality bothers you?[15:12:43] <ss942> no I solved my problems myself[15:13:27] <tuxick> better![15:16:54] <xernus> lunaphyte: Well what I would really want is basically the before SMTP filter, but only for the headers and without having to write code that implements the SMTP protocol. So I want to do the rewrite of the return-path AND get the info from the policy, so I can log original sender, rewritten sender and recipient together[15:16:56] <camile> i want to be happy[15:17:07] <camile> what should i do?[15:20:51] <xernus> So to put it in short: I need the information that postfix delivers when calling check_policy_service and I need to do the action that can be done with sender_canonical_maps. However, when sender_canonical_maps contacts the map service (via tcp) it ONLY sends the sender address, thus there is no way to know which e-mail it is rewriting the sender for :)[15:22:19] <lunaphyte> xernus: right - but why? what's this all for?[15:23:24] <xernus> Does that really matter? :)[15:24:19] <xernus> It's so I can do the rewriting of sender and log it, so I have a database of all outbound e-mail and can handle bounced mails scripted. I am not able to tell senders to set specific return paths, hence the need to rewrite those.[15:26:43] *** corretico <corretico!~corretico@200.91.143.34> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[15:32:03] *** Dolanyeah114 <Dolanyeah114!~dolanyeah@202.57.8.13> has quit IRC (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de)[15:32:46] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~Diemuzi@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has joined #postfix[15:45:37] *** Neo4 <Neo4!~Thunderbi@246-79-55-37.pool.ukrtel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Neo4)[15:50:28] *** cite <cite!~cite@physadeia.incertum.net> has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host)[15:53:29] *** cite <cite!~cite@physadeia.incertum.net> has joined #postfix[16:31:33] *** edux__ <edux__!~edux@190.247.40.194> has joined #postfix[16:32:30] <rudi_s> /act[16:33:57] *** edux <edux!~edux@190.247.40.194> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[16:35:16] <patdk-lap> xernus, that cann't be done[16:35:30] <patdk-lap> check_policy is a policy, it can only return actions, not rewrites[16:35:36] <patdk-lap> content_filter can do anything you want[16:35:52] <patdk-lap> and config options can only do what they do, they cannot be combined into more complex things[16:36:19] <patdk-lap> the ONLY thing that gets close to what you want, combining a check_policy with a rewrite is a sendmail milter[16:36:29] <patdk-lap> but that will have to replace your check_policy[16:42:44] *** BitBandit <BitBandit!~BitBandit@50-198-187-221-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #postfix[16:50:12] *** ss942 <ss942!~krystian@89.238.53.32> has left #postfix[17:00:48] *** ArturSha1 <ArturSha1!~artur-sha@212.112.100.88> has joined #postfix[17:08:26] *** troys <troys!~troys@23-24-139-177-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #postfix[17:08:43] <ArturSha1> hello. I have problem. Messages to external servers stop to be sent. I get notification from my server that "user unknown". f.e. if I send message to gmail user. but it's ok if I send to my own server address. it worked earler and I don't know when it stopped to work. maybe after I updated my server's system.[17:10:03] *** KaiForce <KaiForce!~chatzilla@99.133.184.129> has joined #postfix[17:11:58] <patdk-lap> !tell ArturSha1 getting_help[17:11:58] <knoba> ArturSha1: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[17:12:44] <ArturSha1> !relevant_logs[17:12:44] <knoba> ArturSha1: "relevant_logs" : mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility and should not be shown. Also see http://rob0.nodns4.us/postfix-logging[17:13:28] <ArturSha1> !showconfig[17:13:28] <knoba> ArturSha1: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[17:13:55] <ArturSha1> !pastebin[17:13:55] <knoba> ArturSha1: "pastebin" : A pastebin site lets you easily share logs and configuration. Examples are dpaste.org, fpaste.org, pastebin.ca, paste.ee, ptpb.pw, ix.io and many others. Please avoid ad-supported sites such as pastebin.com if possible.[17:19:30] *** Olipro <Olipro!~Olipro@uncyclopedia/pdpc.21for7.olipro> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:21:15] <ArturSha1> hello. I have problem. Messages to external servers stop to be sent. I get notification from my server that "user unknown". f.e. if I send message to gmail user. but it's ok if I send to my own server address. it worked earler and I don't know when it stopped to work. maybe after I updated my server's system. pastebin: https://dpaste.de/tp1S[17:21:38] *** Olipro <Olipro!~Olipro@uncyclopedia/pdpc.21for7.olipro> has joined #postfix[17:25:39] <petn-randall> ArturSha1: Whatever you changed in "spamfilter", it's now rejecting your mails.[17:29:07] <petn-randall> ArturSha1: Might be that outgoing mails didn't go through there, before. I'd check with your backups what you exactly changed.[17:29:13] <lunaphyte> ArturSha1: you'd have fewer problems with your setup if you didn't use pipe and deliver, and used lmtp and amavis instead, fwiw[17:40:30] *** camile <camile!~init@giver.guru> has left #postfix[17:52:21] <ArturSha1> ok, thanks. will check spamfilter and other[17:53:54] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@181.167.195.114> has joined #postfix[17:56:41] *** SupaYoshi <SupaYoshi!~SupaYoshi@104.129.10.95> has joined #postfix[17:59:25] *** v4ng0gh_ <v4ng0gh_!~v4ng0gh@unaffiliated/v4ng0gh> has joined #postfix[18:00:25] <v4ng0gh_> Hello, is there recommendation for monitoring multiple IPs if they are blacklisted?[18:00:57] *** davlefouAMD <davlefouAMD!~davlefouA@cantaron.reveyo.com> has joined #postfix[18:01:51] <patdk-lap> ArturSha1, ya, your dovecot isn't setup right[18:02:02] <patdk-lap> or you didn't configure postfix to call it correctly[18:02:10] <patdk-lap> generally using dovecot lmtp instead helps resolve this[18:02:19] *** aindilis` <aindilis`!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:02:34] <patdk-lap> dovecot deliever is going away and it's recommended to change[18:03:00] <patdk-lap> could be spamc, but likely dovecot is the issue[18:03:08] *** benone_ <benone_!~benone@196.29.192.66> has quit IRC (Quit: It's dark and hell is hot)[18:05:01] <ArturSha1> thanks patdk-lap[18:05:02] *** aindilis` <aindilis`!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has joined #postfix[18:05:30] <patdk-lap> hmm, using dovecot lmtp you can't use spamc though[18:27:27] <rob0> v4ng0gh_, "monitoring" for what? (Also, this does not sound like a #postfix question.)[18:28:20] *** aindilis` <aindilis`!~aindilis@172-12-3-117.lightspeed.sgnwmi.sbcglobal.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:28:39] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-46-244-250-113.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[18:31:09] *** led_ir22 <led_ir22!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #postfix[18:32:46] <v4ng0gh_> rob0, ok sorry[18:33:10] <rob0> lunaphyte, apparently you are not very useful. 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