February 6, 2018 
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February 6, 2018 [17:15:07] *** echelog <echelog!~echelog@108.61.103.42> has joined #postfix[17:15:21] *** jas02 <jas02!~jas02@193.165.24.163> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[17:16:47] *** Madda <Madda!~Madda@2-228-92-98.ip190.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I have reports that during an AWS SES outage emails were rejected on a first 400 error of service unavailable.[20:33:05] <Splix76> I suspect the error was actually 500 service unavailable which results in email exiting the queue. As I understand it, 400 are retried even to a realyhost.[20:33:41] <Splix76> I want to make sure I do misunderstand this and that if a relayhost is defined 400 service unavailable errors also cause messages to exit retry queue and bounce.[20:33:58] <Splix76> this complaint is old enough that my logs have expired... so I can't prove it was a 500 error.[20:48:00] *** mutantturkey <mutantturkey!~calvin@unaffiliated/mutantturkey> has left #postfix[20:49:33] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[21:00:00] *** synthroi_ <synthroi_!~synthroid@50.202.5.122> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[21:05:45] *** imfearless <imfearless!~imfearles@corporate.datayard.us> has joined #postfix[21:11:05] *** ViolentTango <ViolentTango!~ViolentTa@d8d87066d.access.telenet.be> has joined #postfix[21:13:17] <ViolentTango> hi all[21:13:58] <ViolentTango> trying to get Postfix running with TLS or SSL in order to get rid of that annoying 'red padlock' in Gmail[21:19:11] <rob0> !tls[21:19:12] <knoba> rob0: "tls" : Transport Layer Security (RFC2246). Previously known as SSL, TLS adds a layer of encryption to protocols such as SMTP, submission, IMAP or POP3 to improve security during transmission over the Internet. TLS is implemented using the STARTTLS method, while the non-standard wrapper style of implementation is deprecated at this point. See http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html for more info.[21:20:28] <rob0> Splix76, yes, 4xx is temporary regardless of relayhost.[21:25:08] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@50.202.5.122> has joined #postfix[21:28:27] *** sebastienthiry <sebastienthiry!~Thunderbi@91.177.165.137> has quit IRC (Quit: sebastienthiry)[21:37:09] *** KaiForce <KaiForce!~chatzilla@99.133.184.129> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 52.6.0/20180118122319])[22:06:19] <Splix76> Thanks @rob0 , appreciate the info. I will tell them that there very little we can do about 500 errors outside of custom scripting which I don't think is worth the work for a fraction of a % risk.[22:10:01] <rob0> The envelope sender should have received the bounce, either when a 5xx was given, or when a 4xx timed out after:[22:10:10] <rob0> !maximal_queue_lifetime[22:10:10] <knoba> rob0: "maximal_queue_lifetime" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The maximal time a message is queued before it is sent back as undeliverable, the default value is 5 days.[22:10:41] <rob0> there's always this, but not intended for routine use:[22:10:46] <rob0> !soft_bounce[22:10:46] <knoba> rob0: "soft_bounce" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Safety net to keep mail queued that would otherwise be returned to the sender. This parameter disables locally-generated bounces, and prevents the Postfix SMTP server from rejecting mail permanently, by changing 5xx reply codes into 4xx. However, soft_bounce is no cure for address rewriting mistakes or mail routing mistakes.[22:11:23] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@50.202.5.122> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:16:04] *** Death_rattle__ <Death_rattle__!~death@200116b8203bdb0021237927e6649cc6.dip.versatel-1u1.de> has quit IRC (Quit: bye)[22:16:50] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[22:26:26] *** rwb <rwb!~Thunderbi@74.85.159.242> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[22:27:09] *** Poster <Poster!~poster@75.188.11.166> has joined #postfix[22:31:09] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@50.202.5.122> has joined #postfix[22:41:05] *** Darcidride_ <Darcidride_!~Darcidrid@dmt69-1-88-180-172-161.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[22:42:19] *** spaceone <spaceone!~spaceone@wc1.wechall.net> has joined #postfix[22:42:37] <spaceone> hi[22:43:10] <spaceone> i want to configure something like a mailing list (e.g. a mailadress which addother mail addresses on BCC)[22:43:37] <spaceone> any directions? do i need to configure this in postfix or better in dovecot?[22:44:22] *** V7 <V7!~v7@unaffiliated/v7> has joined #postfix[22:44:24] <V7> Hey all[22:44:29] <V7> Suddenly getting: <ppprototypeee at gmail dot com>: user unknown[22:45:02] <V7> So others mails which I'm trying to send: psotfix says user uknows[22:45:07] <V7> user uknown *[22:45:21] <rob0> you broke something[22:45:29] <V7> So hwo to check ?[22:45:33] <V7> 1 min for configs[22:45:37] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[22:45:54] <rob0> read the /topic and include LOGS in that pastebin[22:45:55] <V7> !show_config[22:45:55] <knoba> V7: "show_config" : see !showconfig[22:46:03] <V7> !showconfig[22:46:03] <knoba> V7: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[22:47:16] <rob0> spaceone, if more than a few you might want the features of a real MLM like GNU Mailman, but a virtual_alias_maps entry might be enough[22:47:32] <rob0> !virtual_alias_maps[22:47:32] <knoba> rob0: "virtual_alias_maps" : A configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables that alias specific mail addresses or domains to other local or remote addresses. The table format and lookups are documented in virtual(5).[22:47:52] <spaceone> rob0: that sounds very good[22:48:09] <spaceone> i think mailman is too much for my purpose[22:49:28] <V7> https://hastebin.com/ikikovevoq.nginx[22:49:33] <patdk-lap> spaceone, it becomes how will you be handling bounces it the issue[22:49:36] <patdk-lap> and unsubscribed[22:49:38] <V7> These are logs and configs[22:49:45] <patdk-lap> if it's only a few people and that, manually is fine[22:49:55] <patdk-lap> but it quickly becomes a pain to manage[22:50:17] <spaceone> patdk-lap: yes, in this case, i will manage every user. they can't remove themself[22:50:29] <spaceone> it's only for my flatmates[22:50:33] <patdk-lap> but will you also be maanging bounces?[22:50:40] <patdk-lap> then just setup an alias[22:50:44] <V7> rob0, ^[22:51:00] <spaceone> patdk-lap: what are bounces?[22:51:09] <patdk-lap> you shouldn't be doing email then[22:51:17] <spaceone> :D[22:51:31] *** magyar_ <magyar_!~magyar@unaffiliated/magyar> has joined #postfix[22:51:47] *** magyar <magyar!~magyar@unaffiliated/magyar> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[22:51:57] <spaceone> ah i understand[22:53:18] <rob0> V7, ontent_filter is spamassassin, and it seems to be misconfigured for such a purpose, handing off to Dovecot deliver for some reason (why?)[22:53:33] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@50.202.5.122> has quit IRC ()[22:53:35] *** imfearless <imfearless!~imfearles@corporate.datayard.us> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[22:53:41] <spaceone> !alias_maps[22:53:41] <knoba> spaceone: "alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The alias databases that are used for local(8) delivery. See aliases(5) for syntax details.[22:53:53] *** Darcidride_ <Darcidride_!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10::719e:e3e1> has joined #postfix[22:55:16] *** Darcidride_ <Darcidride_!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10::719e:e3e1> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:00:00] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[23:08:35] <spaceone> hm, i can't get it working: virtual_alias_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-virtual-alias-maps.cf,mysql:/etc/postfix/mysql-email2email.cf,hash:/etc/virtual_aliases[23:09:07] <spaceone> Added that file wiht only one line: foo@bar bar@baz foo@baz[23:09:25] <spaceone> postfix restart → thunderbird doesn't accept to send mails anymore[23:09:36] <patdk-lap> did you postmap it?[23:09:50] <V7> rob0, So how then I need to use spamassassin ?[23:09:56] <spaceone> error: open database /etc/virtual_aliases.db: No such file or directory[23:10:01] <V7> How you would rob0 ?[23:10:03] <patdk-lap> so no you didn't[23:10:07] <patdk-lap> !tell spaceone postmap[23:10:08] <knoba> spaceone: "postmap" : a command to 'compile' text files to hash databases. Example: a file transport will be converted to transport.db by running 'postmap transport'. Your main.cf will contain something like transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport (without the '.db')[23:10:19] <spaceone> ah okay[23:13:58] <rob0> "mysql"?[23:14:11] <rob0> !mysql_table[23:14:11] <knoba> rob0: "mysql_table" : mysql_table(5) - Postfix MySQL client configuration. This man page defines the usage of sql in postfix configuration. http://www.postfix.org/mysql_table.5.html[23:14:20] <rob0> see also[23:14:21] <rob0> !database[23:14:21] <knoba> rob0: "database" : http://www.postfix.org/DATABASE_README.html provides an overview of how Postfix lookup tables work, and the various types that are implemented.[23:14:44] <rob0> oic, the hash: map on the end[23:15:12] <spaceone> okay, well it's legacy from X years ago[23:15:36] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@95.233.165.118> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:16:28] <spaceone> do i need a postfix restart when i change the database file?[23:17:07] <rob0> no, but with multiple maps like that, if an address is found in an earlier map, that ends the querying.[23:17:52] <rob0> Having two mysql lookups sounds like poor design.[23:17:56] <spaceone> okay, i am aware of this[23:18:04] *** epony <epony!~nym@79-100-133-168.ip.btc-net.bg> has joined #postfix[23:18:59] <spaceone> probably i could unify the select statement[23:19:11] <rob0> yep[23:19:34] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@181.167.195.114> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:24:12] *** Darcidride_ <Darcidride_!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10::719e:e3e1> has joined #postfix[23:25:55] *** BitBandit <BitBandit!~BitBandit@50-198-187-221-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:26:26] <V7> So rob0 when I've configured it like: "spamassassin unix - n n - - pipe user=spamfilter argv=/usr/bin/spamc -f -e /usr/sbin/sendmail -oi -f ${sender} ${recipient}" then it worked, but now it adds SpamAssasin's headers even if I'm sending an email from local machine[23:27:38] <V7> Oh. I need to remove content-filder from submission. Am I right ?[23:33:00] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@95.233.165.118> has joined #postfix[23:33:39] *** Darcidride_ <Darcidride_!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10::719e:e3e1> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye.)[23:38:54] *** rhizome <rhizome!~rhizome@50-0-193-211.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[23:39:47] <V7> Anyone ?[23:45:05] *** rwb <rwb!~Thunderbi@65.183.151.121> has joined #postfix[23:45:27] *** [dmp] <[dmp]!~dennis@unaffiliated/dmp/x-546784> has joined #postfix[23:46:18] *** [dmp] <[dmp]!~dennis@unaffiliated/dmp/x-546784> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[23:49:19] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: cemotyz09)[23:51:41] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@147.45.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)