February 4, 2018 
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February 4, 2018 [00:17:00] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10::719e:e3e1> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:22:36] *** JanC <JanC!~janc@lugwv/member/JanC> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:22:56] *** JanC <JanC!~janc@lugwv/member/JanC> has joined #postfix[00:33:17] *** ]SiB[1 <]SiB[1!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[00:34:05] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:34:05] *** ]SiB[1 is now known as ]SiB[[00:44:59] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[01:17:23] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@95.233.165.118> has joined #postfix[01:21:34] *** Worf <Worf!~worf@80-109-200-187.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #postfix[01:34:46] <Worf> I have a postfix/dovecot setup on a debian server, using LDAP for account management. I realized that i have a problem with mixed case sensitivity. I think that the ldap query checking if a user exists locally is being done case insensitive while everything else is case sensitive.[01:35:10] <Worf> So the system accepts users that don't exist (if i consider usernames to be case sensitive).[01:35:36] <Worf> Any suggestions how to get out of this dilemma?[01:37:38] <tharkun> !rfc[01:37:38] <knoba> tharkun: Error: "rfc" is not a valid command.[02:13:31] *** lorbus_ <lorbus_!~lorbus@2a02:908:1087:6fe0:3713:2901:9971:eae4> has joined #postfix[02:28:34] *** Worf <Worf!~worf@80-109-200-187.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[02:32:04] <patdk-lap> worf heh? consult your ldap server manual[02:32:08] <patdk-lap> ldap is normally case insensitive[02:32:19] <patdk-lap> email is normally case insensitive[02:47:18] *** _0x5eb_ <_0x5eb_!~seb@seb-hpws2.w1.tele.crt1.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:57:52] *** Neo4 <Neo4!~Thunderbi@65-115-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Neo4)[03:31:16] *** lorbus_ <lorbus_!~lorbus@2a02:908:1087:6fe0:3713:2901:9971:eae4> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[03:31:16] *** lorbus <lorbus!~lorbus@2a02:908:1087:6fe0:3713:2901:9971:eae4> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[03:57:48] *** nomeed <nomeed!~nomeed@p5B2E2E95.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:58:59] *** nomeed <nomeed!~nomeed@p54A247C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[04:01:52] *** beatzz <beatzz!~beatzz@240f:83:d77a:1:9887:64d4:c6bb:3ce3> has joined #postfix[04:05:24] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[04:05:39] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[04:05:56] *** TheFatherMind- <TheFatherMind-!~TheFather@cpe-104-34-204-52.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[04:08:05] *** TheFatherMind <TheFatherMind!~TheFather@cpe-104-34-204-52.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[04:08:06] *** TheFatherMind- is now known as TheFatherMind[04:36:12] *** jeromelanteri <jeromelanteri!~jeromelan@ppp-58-9-84-206.revip2.asianet.co.th> has joined #postfix[04:37:31] <jeromelanteri> hi, i'm doing setup for postfix under FreeBSD. And i use it with postfixadmin web ui. my user is "postfix", UID=125 (same for group). what is virutal_uid_maps mean ?[04:38:21] <pj> !virtual_uid_maps[04:38:21] <knoba> pj: "virtual_uid_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Lookup tables with the per-recipient user ID that the virtual(8) delivery agent uses while writing to the recipient's mailbox.[04:38:30] <pj> !postconf_5[04:38:30] <knoba> pj: "postconf_5" : All possible postconf(5) settings are documented in the manual: use man 5 postconf, or visit http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html[04:38:35] <pj> jeromelanteri: ^^^^^[04:40:17] *** KaiForce <KaiForce!~chatzilla@99.133.184.129> has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 52.6.0/20180118122319])[04:52:10] *** bolt <bolt!~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[05:00:57] *** beatzz <beatzz!~beatzz@240f:83:d77a:1:9887:64d4:c6bb:3ce3> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[05:07:16] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[05:08:18] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[05:15:59] <rob0> The virtual_[gu]id_maps should NEVER point to the mail_owner (usually postfix).[05:20:50] *** KaiForce <KaiForce!~chatzilla@99.133.184.129> has joined #postfix[05:29:30] <jeromelanteri> thank you[05:30:50] <jeromelanteri> so i need to create an other on (vpostfix for exemple). But i missunderstand the doc about the interest of this user. What it does ? do it need to have an access on database ? or just on maildir files ?[05:33:28] <lunaphyte> mail files should be owned by the user whose files they are[05:35:35] <rob0> it would not quite fit to name it anything related to Postfix. Typically people use "vmail" for single-UID/GID setups. Or better yet, populate your maps so that there are different UIDs in use.[05:36:02] <rob0> Postfix merely handles the delivery, and then it's done.[05:37:20] <rob0> Personally, I'd recommend starting with local(8) delivery to system users.[05:38:28] <rob0> but then I am a Unix user, so my likes/dislikes are not much in line with typical users. :)[05:39:34] * thumbs dislikes rob0[05:41:42] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[06:16:16] * rob0 pouts :'([06:27:40] *** zulutango <zulutango!~zulutango@static-n49-176-171-248.mas2.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has joined #postfix[06:32:20] *** epony <epony!~nym@79-100-128-72.ip.btc-net.bg> has quit IRC (Quit: QUIT)[06:40:27] *** SyntaxxxErr0r <SyntaxxxErr0r!~SyntaxxxE@108.62.19.235> has joined #postfix[06:48:23] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[06:50:21] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has joined #postfix[06:51:28] *** 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fiddlerwoaroof[09:15:56] *** beatzz <beatzz!~beatzz@240f:83:d77a:1:9887:64d4:c6bb:3ce3> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[09:24:16] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-46-244-246-167.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[09:38:21] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:39:14] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has joined #postfix[09:48:06] <ghormoon> hi, what am I missing to allow localhost to send mail out on postfix? shouldn't mynetworks ne enough? main.cf: https://pastebin.com/QK8RaCmj[09:59:53] *** davlefouAMD <davlefouAMD!~davlefouA@cantaron.reveyo.com> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:19:20] *** _cr_ <_cr_!~quassel@srv.ncxs.de> has joined #postfix[10:44:42] *** DTZUZO <DTZUZO!~DTZUZO@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[10:45:32] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[10:48:16] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has joined #postfix[10:53:43] *** DTZUZO <DTZUZO!~DTZUZO@S0106bcd16584b0aa.vs.shawcable.net> has joined #postfix[10:54:29] *** SyntaxxxErr0r <SyntaxxxErr0r!~SyntaxxxE@108.62.19.235> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:56:38] *** i47i_ <i47i_!~i47i@2001:41d0:2:c1d2:200:c0a8:6649:0> has quit IRC (Changing host)[10:56:38] *** i47i_ <i47i_!~i47i@unaffiliated/i47i> has joined #postfix[11:08:17] *** Worf <Worf!~worf@80-109-200-187.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #postfix[11:12:06] <Worf> patdk-lap: hmm ... according to https://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc5321.txt email adresses are case sensitive ... and up to now i'm struggeling to debug how my postfix is deciding if a user exists ...[11:14:33] *** SyntaxxxErr0r <SyntaxxxErr0r!~SyntaxxxE@108.62.19.237> has joined #postfix[11:20:15] *** cite <cite!~cite@physadeia.incertum.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:28:07] *** SyntaxxxErr0r <SyntaxxxErr0r!~SyntaxxxE@108.62.19.237> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:31:20] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[11:36:56] *** zulutango <zulutango!~zulutango@static-n49-176-171-248.mas2.nsw.optusnet.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[11:49:51] *** jas02 <jas02!~jas02@131.207.242.5> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[11:50:16] *** jas02 <jas02!~jas02@193.165.24.163> has joined #postfix[11:55:50] <Worf> since i'm about to brick my setup trying to figure out what is what: what does "optional" mean in the case of http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#virtual_mailbox_maps ? as i understand virtual_mailbox_maps is used to check if a mailbox exists? and what if i don't set that? what is the fallback check? i'm confused ...[11:59:09] *** jas02 <jas02!~jas02@193.165.24.163> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[12:00:30] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:00:40] *** [NoClan]GoAway <[NoClan]GoAway!~NoClan@46.183.217.244> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[12:01:18] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has joined #postfix[12:06:09] *** treefrob <treefrob!~treefrob@p57A96059.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:06:41] <thumbs> ghormoon: you don't need postfix to send emails. See:[12:06:49] <thumbs> !tell ghormoon nullclient[12:06:49] <knoba> ghormoon: "nullclient" : (#1) a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details., or (#2) See http://www.postfix.org/STANDARD_CONFIGURATION_README.html#null_client[12:08:26] *** deva <deva!~deva@aasimon.org> has joined #postfix[12:10:00] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:10:16] <deva> What happens if a filter rule (say smtpd_relay_restrictions) does not end with reject or accept? If a sender is not explicitly rejected or accepted in any of the rules in the list, what will happen after the last rule has been applied?[12:10:59] <deva> Is there for example an implicit reject rule at the end of the list?[12:11:20] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has joined #postfix[12:14:11] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:15:29] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has joined #postfix[12:19:53] *** cite <cite!~cite@physadeia.incertum.net> has joined #postfix[12:20:34] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[12:32:08] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:36:21] *** pppingme <pppingme!~pppingme@unaffiliated/pppingme> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[12:42:39] *** Neo4 <Neo4!~Thunderbi@65-115-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net> has joined #postfix[12:43:22] *** sklv <sklv!~sklv@gateway/tor-sasl/sklv> has joined #postfix[12:52:13] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10::719e:e3e1> has joined #postfix[12:56:38] *** led_ir22 <led_ir22!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:56:49] *** led_ir22 <led_ir22!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #postfix[13:19:38] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Quit: inabit. zz.)[13:22:02] *** bolt <bolt!~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has joined #postfix[13:28:27] *** davlefouAMD <davlefouAMD!~davlefouA@cantaron.reveyo.com> has joined #postfix[13:31:34] *** pppingme <pppingme!~pppingme@unaffiliated/pppingme> has joined #postfix[13:36:09] <lunaphyte> deva: that's covered in the documentation[13:36:27] *** morse <morse!~morse@193.205.128.40> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:36:34] <lunaphyte> see man 5 postconf, for each of the parameters in question, and see smtpd_access_readme[13:38:38] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@95.233.165.118> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:43:18] *** Gaaab <Gaaab!~Gaaab@95.233.165.118> has joined #postfix[13:45:16] <ghormoon> knoba: but nullclient needs external smtp, right? I want it to deliver itself, not to proxy throung another one[13:45:33] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@147.45.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has joined #postfix[14:09:11] *** led_ir22 <led_ir22!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has quit IRC (Quit: led_ir22)[14:11:42] <deva> lunaphyte, Got it, thanks for the pointer :-)[14:17:44] *** led_ir22 <led_ir22!~Thunderbi@hotspot10.rywasoft.net> has joined #postfix[14:22:03] *** Worf <Worf!~worf@80-109-200-187.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[14:49:08] *** lorbus_ <lorbus_!~lorbus@2a02:908:1087:6fe0:3713:2901:9971:eae4> has joined #postfix[14:49:08] *** lorbus <lorbus!~lorbus@2a02:908:1087:6fe0:3713:2901:9971:eae4> has joined #postfix[14:55:00] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[14:58:11] *** phragment <phragment!~blubb@jabber.htu.tugraz.at> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:00:38] *** jas02 <jas02!~jas02@193.165.24.163> has joined #postfix[15:03:53] *** phragment <phragment!~blubb@jabber.htu.tugraz.at> has joined #postfix[15:05:10] *** lorbus <lorbus!~lorbus@2a02:908:1087:6fe0:3713:2901:9971:eae4> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:05:18] *** lorbus_ <lorbus_!~lorbus@2a02:908:1087:6fe0:3713:2901:9971:eae4> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:05:41] *** Neo4 <Neo4!~Thunderbi@65-115-113-92.pool.ukrtel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Neo4)[15:05:46] *** lorbus <lorbus!~lorbus@2a02:908:1087:6fe0:3713:2901:9971:eae4> has joined #postfix[15:09:15] *** jas02 <jas02!~jas02@193.165.24.163> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[15:22:08] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[15:30:57] <thumbs> ghormoon: thn use the submission[15:31:07] <thumbs> !tell ghormoon submissin[15:31:07] <knoba> thumbs: Error: No factoid matches that key.[15:31:09] <thumbs> !tell ghormoon submission[15:31:09] <knoba> ghormoon: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[15:41:53] *** bolt <bolt!~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:43:28] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Quit: inabit. zz.)[15:45:37] *** bolt <bolt!~r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has joined #postfix[15:48:13] *** jeromelanteri <jeromelanteri!~jeromelan@ppp-58-9-84-206.revip2.asianet.co.th> has quit IRC (Quit: THE END)[15:57:38] *** jas02 <jas02!~jas02@193.165.24.163> has joined #postfix[16:08:20] *** HomieF <HomieF!~alad@archlinux/trusteduser/alad> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[16:11:31] *** JanC <JanC!~janc@lugwv/member/JanC> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:11:58] *** JanC <JanC!~janc@lugwv/member/JanC> has joined #postfix[16:21:40] *** syntaxxx_err <syntaxxx_err!~SyntaxxxE@108.62.19.235> has joined #postfix[16:22:11] *** alad <alad!~alad@archlinux/trusteduser/alad> has joined #postfix[16:24:07] *** syntaxxx_err <syntaxxx_err!~SyntaxxxE@108.62.19.235> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:25:54] *** apus <apus!~tux@p5DC8FBFB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[16:26:20] <apus> hi, does postconf only show explicit name=value settings in main.cf as described in the manpage, or is it limited to non-default options?[16:36:33] <apus> sorry, "postconf -n"[16:44:11] *** syntaxxx_err <syntaxxx_err!~SyntaxxxE@108.62.19.236> has joined #postfix[16:47:11] *** jas02 <jas02!~jas02@193.165.24.163> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[16:56:14] <thumbs> apus: huh?[17:09:48] <apus> thumbs: i found some websites that claimed, you could see your non-default options, so the "essential" postfix config with `postconf -n`. the man pages tell another story[17:10:17] <thumbs> apus: why do you believe whatever that website claimed?[17:10:55] <apus> because postconf -n does exactly that, show non-default options. was just wondering, if there is an error in the man page, or if there is another option for it in postconf ...[17:11:11] <apus> sorry, s/postconf -n/doveconf -n/[17:12:11] <thumbs> apus: ah, the folks that suppor dovecot are in #dovecot[17:12:19] <thumbs> apus: you're welcome.[17:12:30] <apus> i know, i'm wondering, if i can get something like it for postfix, why else would i be here?[17:13:47] <thumbs> !tell apus welcome[17:13:47] <knoba> apus: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![17:14:02] <thumbs> !tell apus show_config[17:14:02] <knoba> apus: "show_config" : see !showconfig[17:14:05] <thumbs> !tell apus showconfig[17:14:05] <knoba> apus: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin (see !pastebin) with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[17:14:43] <thumbs> apus: and refer to the postconf man page, of course.[17:15:55] <apus> i'm wondering, if i have "accidentally" uncommented lines, that define just what the default value is for that option, if i can get the "effective" configuration, where only non-default values for options are shown.[17:16:12] <thumbs> apus: what do you think -nf does?[17:16:26] <thumbs> don't guess, read the man page.[17:18:26] <apus> Show only configuration parameters that have explicit name=value settings in main.cf. That says _my_ manpage. So what if i configure options with default values in main.cf? what does _explicit_ mean? explicit as adjective means "stated clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt." doesn't tell me if the output is limited to non-default values for options or not[17:19:35] <thumbs> if you omit a parameter, it won't be listed in -nf. It's not rocket science.[17:22:52] <apus> so: postconf -n is just a "grep -v '^$\|^\s*\#'". going back to my original question, the simple answer would be: "No, it is not limited to non-default values for options, it just removes all comments and stuff and prints it". was that really hard?[17:23:53] *** jas02 <jas02!~jas02@193.165.24.163> has joined #postfix[17:27:23] <ghormoon> knoba: tbh, I'm not sure what gitlab uses. but the issue is that since update, it stopped working with the same config and I'm not able to fifure out why :([17:27:34] <ghormoon> before update postfix did send out mail, now it doesn't[17:27:38] <thumbs> ghormoon: you keep talking to a bot.[17:27:49] <thumbs> !tell ghormoon welcome[17:27:49] <knoba> ghormoon: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![17:28:17] <ghormoon> sotty, I usually just look who pinged me bcause I get reply when I'm afk :)[17:30:25] <ghormoon> well, itlab obviously uses 25 as I don't even have 587 open[17:30:41] <ghormoon> and Isee the mails in postfix log, but refused[17:31:24] <thumbs> ghormoon: you should use submission to send emails.[17:31:32] <thumbs> !tell ghormoon submission[17:31:32] <knoba> ghormoon: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[17:31:47] <ghormoon> ugh, so I should patch gitlab? :)[17:32:15] <ghormoon> msot propably it will be possible to set somewhere[17:32:23] <thumbs> gitlab should be more than capable of using submission.[17:32:29] <ghormoon> the question is, why after update the same config doesn't work? :)[17:32:46] <thumbs> !tell ghormoon welcome[17:32:46] <knoba> ghormoon: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![17:33:02] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has quit IRC (Quit: ]SiB[)[17:34:36] <thumbs> ghormoon: if you bother to provide the information requested, we might be able to help.[17:36:13] <apus> thumbs: i've now filtered it and thereby confirmed, that it does indeed print non-default values for options as well. i just don't understand your attitude towards me. if you have no interest in helping, why do you answer? my question was precise enough.[17:36:23] <ghormoon> hm, using sumbission itself doesn't help, so it's still something in the main.cf[17:36:27] <apus> s/non-default/default/[17:36:49] <thumbs> apus: you presume a lot of things.[17:38:49] *** syntaxxx_err <syntaxxx_err!~SyntaxxxE@108.62.19.236> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:39:23] <apus> as did you, since you assumed, that i did not read the man page first and just came in here guessing: "<thumbs> don't guess, read the man page."[17:40:14] <thumbs> you did reference other third-party sources, which contributed to your confusion.[17:40:44] <thumbs> that's almost always a bad idea, especially with postfix.[17:41:40] <ghormoon> all relevant info I could gather (config, telnet session, log) https://pastebin.com/gjKfmB59[17:41:41] <apus> i came in here because i wanted to have confirmation on a discrepancy between the info given on many websites and the manpage. since it were many webpages and a single manpage, i just thought i'd ask in here. sorry, if that was inappropriate.[17:42:10] <ghormoon> I've checked and the config is originally from postfix 2 though (debian jessie, now it's on stretch), wa sit change da lot in meantime?[17:42:13] <Zerberus> most webpages have false information[17:42:15] <thumbs> apus: refer to the man page and official documentation. Don't read third-party sources.[17:42:44] <Zerberus> ghormoon: yes, essential changes[17:43:05] <Zerberus> ghormoon: though there is in general backwards compatibility[17:44:59] <thumbs> apus: you should work on forgetting everything you read on that third-party source.[17:49:40] <thumbs> apus: don't waste time trying to invent ill-intent with other folks. Focus on productive approaches instead.[17:50:29] *** Worf <Worf!~worf@80-109-200-187.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has joined #postfix[17:50:39] *** mETz <mETz!~DermETz@2a02:2028:72f:7701:21f:e2ff:fe5d:f742> has joined #postfix[18:07:24] *** [NoClan]GoAway <[NoClan]GoAway!~NoClan@195.138.249.5> has joined #postfix[18:21:58] *** situ` <situ`!~situ@server.renzetti.me> has joined #postfix[18:39:58] *** epony <epony!~nym@79-100-128-72.ip.btc-net.bg> has quit IRC (Quit: QUIT)[18:45:06] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[18:49:39] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:50:31] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[18:51:53] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:53:06] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has joined #postfix[18:55:12] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216-75-116-100.res.dyn.allophone.biz> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[18:56:46] *** eelstrebor <eelstrebor!~eelstrebo@216.75.116.100> has joined #postfix[19:04:42] *** troulouliou_div2 <troulouliou_div2!~troulouli@unaffiliated/troulouliou-div2/x-0271439> has joined #postfix[19:05:50] *** Repox <Repox!~textual@85.203.137.15> has joined #postfix[19:21:21] *** Teraii_ is now known as Teraii[19:48:43] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[19:50:41] <rob0> apus, thumbs: "postconf -nf" does include default settings which are respecified in main.cf, thus why it's a good reason to look things up in the postconf(5) manual before setting them.[19:51:30] <rob0> (and don't set default values for things, except such as myhostname, mydestination and the like, where you need to nail it down to a specific value.)[19:54:31] <rob0> !duplicates[19:54:31] <knoba> rob0: Error: "duplicates" is not a valid command.[19:54:41] <rob0> !factoids search duplicates[19:54:41] <knoba> rob0: No keys matched that query.[19:54:43] <rob0> !factoids search duplicate[19:54:44] <knoba> rob0: "duplicate_filter_limit" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The maximal number of addresses remembered by the address duplicate filter for aliases(5) or virtual(5) alias expansion.[19:54:55] <rob0> !factoids search --values duplicate[19:54:55] <knoba> rob0: "duplicate_filter_limit" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The maximal number of addresses remembered by the address duplicate filter for aliases(5) or virtual(5) alias expansion.[19:56:01] <rob0> lunaphyte, I can't remember your factoid for parsing "postconf" and comparing to "postconf -n" to eliminate default settings from main.cf ... seems to be what apus was asking about.[19:56:29] <rob0> apus, ^^ anyway, that's how you do it.[19:58:34] *** Repox <Repox!~textual@85.203.137.15> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[20:00:33] <jaybe> !factoids search elim[20:00:33] <knoba> jaybe: 'default_verp_delimiters', 'recipient_delimiter', 'verp_delimiter_filter', and 'delimiter'[20:01:29] <apus> rob0: thank you for the tips and your help. i'm dealing with older config files, which was why i asked about default/non-default. this isn't something i'm setting up new. i resolved the problem a couple of minutes after my friend who has more than one thumb more or less confirmed, that the manpage was indeed truthful. for anyone else who wants to know only non-default options: https://pastebin.com/raw/A7Fnzzpt[20:04:14] <rob0> oh nice. That's a bit slow having to run through postconf for each option, but it looks like it would work.[20:04:48] <apus> does to work fine. then you can also run diff -u <(myscript) <(postconf -n) and see which options are default and therefore non-necessarily added[20:05:01] <apus> s/does/seems[20:05:27] *** ced117 <ced117!~ced117@opensuse/member/ced117> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:05:39] <apus> well it's not like you have to run it a thousand times ... still faster than trying to figure it out by hand[20:05:56] <rob0> yes, make that CPU work for you ;)[20:07:37] *** ced117 <ced117!~ced117@opensuse/member/ced117> has joined #postfix[20:07:42] <rob0> but note, even if "postconf -d myhostname" is the same as "postconf -n myhostname", something like that is important to be sure of.[20:10:09] <apus> that goes without saying, which is why i ran the diff to see what changed.[20:19:50] <lunaphyte> !redundant[20:19:50] <knoba> lunaphyte: "redundant" : the following can be used to list redundant settings defined in main.cf: (postconf -d; postconf -n) | sort | uniq -d - also see !compare[20:23:52] *** rsx <rsx!~rsx@ppp-46-244-246-167.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:36:41] <Gaaab> hi[20:37:16] <Gaaab> ho shlould i consider this type of warning:[20:37:23] <Gaaab> warning: 129.153.252.198.sbl.spamhaus.org: RBL lookup error: Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=129.153.252.198.sbl.spamhaus.org type=A: Host not found, try again[20:37:43] <Gaaab> is sbl.spamhaus.org working ?[20:39:51] <Gaaab> they have a limit on dnslooups for rbl[20:40:33] <Gaaab> i don't have many users[20:40:44] <Gaaab> but i have plenty of junk[20:40:52] <kmq> The meaning of this depends on your exact configuration.[20:41:05] <Gaaab> right[20:41:58] *** troulouliou_div2 <troulouliou_div2!~troulouli@unaffiliated/troulouliou-div2/x-0271439> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:43:16] <Gaaab> i have also this smtp_host_lookup = native[20:43:42] <Gaaab> it should be dns[20:48:01] *** cemotyz09 <cemotyz09!~cemotyz09@cpe-70-121-157-202.satx.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Quit: cemotyz09)[21:10:20] <rob0> Are you running your own local resolver? You must. And no,[21:10:29] <rob0> !smtp!=smtpd[21:10:29] <knoba> rob0: "smtp!=smtpd" : Postfix smtp_* and smtpd_* configuration parameters have different meanings. smtp_ = client and smtpd_ = server, the client-side sends mail whilst the server-side receives mail. (smtp = client = sends mail) (smtpd = server = receives mail)[21:10:29] <Gaaab> yep[21:10:35] <Gaaab> dnsmasq[21:10:58] <rob0> no, dnsmasq isn't a resolver, it uses an upstream resolver[21:12:12] <rob0> so you could be running into a Spamhaus block of your upstream resolver[21:13:36] <rob0> 2.0.0.127.sbl.spamhaus.org. 60 IN TXT "https://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/query/SBL2"[21:13:52] <rob0> Spamhaus is fully functional today.[21:15:32] *** Worf <Worf!~worf@80-109-200-187.cable.dynamic.surfer.at> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:16:08] <Gaaab> you advice pdnsd[21:17:19] <Gaaab> is a question :)[21:19:03] <mETz> unbound is a nice locally running resolver, also gives you working dnssec on lookups[21:24:38] *** deva <deva!~deva@aasimon.org> has left #postfix ("Konversation terminated!")[21:25:40] <Gaaab> they will block my local dns resolver ip after a little while isn't it ?[21:30:48] <Gaaab> i doesn't look i can make many dns queries, after a while my local resolver won't going to work either[21:37:42] <mETz> I have been using spamhaus for years with a local unbound in front, didn't seem to run into any of their limits[21:38:01] <Gaaab> ok[21:39:55] <Gaaab> i give it a try[21:43:37] *** ]SiB[ <]SiB[!~Thunderbi@unaffiliated/sib/x-9459575> has joined #postfix[21:46:07] *** apus <apus!~tux@p5DC8FBFB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[21:49:55] <Gaaab> still rbl looks up error with a test email[21:50:16] <Gaaab> not just spamhaus in charge[21:50:45] <Gaaab> blackhole.securitysage.com: RBL lookup error: Host or domain name not found.[21:53:18] <Gaaab> does unbound need particolar configuration ?[21:53:48] *** jas02 <jas02!~jas02@193.165.24.163> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:23:30] <rob0> SMBs are unlikely to generate enough Spamhaus queries to be blocked; SOHO servers, no way.[22:24:26] <rob0> I think gthe only ones they bother to block are ISPs and open resolvers (like Google.)[22:25:16] <rob0> Securitysage has been gone for many, many years. 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