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[10:42:06] <sonne> hello!
[10:42:25] <sonne> would it be reasonable to say that every email passes through /var/spool/postfix/active?
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[10:42:53] <sonne> (assuming that is the spool directory of course)
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[13:02:19] <Kelsar> sonne: that sounds a lot like a xy question
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[13:45:50] <sonne> Kelsar: xy question?
[13:50:56] <thumbs> !tell sonne xy
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<knoba> sonne: "xy" : (#1) The XY problem is that you want to do X, but don't know how. You think that you can solve X by doing Y, so you ask us how to do Y. We tell you that's an odd problem to want to solve. Just ask us about the real problem., or (#2) http://mywiki.wooledge.org/XyProblem -- I want to do X, but I'm asking how to do Y...
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[13:54:34] <sonne> TIL
[13:56:30] <sonne> well basically i have a requirement to have all mail scanned through an av on a web server, but the whole plumbing with amavis seemed a bit overkill so it was suggested to try clamfs on the spooler directory
[13:57:35] <sonne> it's not working too well though, so i'm reading up on clamav-milter
[13:57:49] <petn-randall> sonne: The bread-and-butter way is to use a milter or a proxy to send things to clamav. Anything else is hackery.
[13:58:38] <sonne> petn-randall: so i read around, but this here noob has no idea what a milter is - searching around now
[13:59:27] <petn-randall> !milter
[13:59:33] <petn-randall> sonne: ^^^
[14:03:02] * sonne nods
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<Billifischmaul> I need help. Something got broken somehow and now everytime I want to send an email I get "Relay access denied" even after authentication. Here are all logs and configs: https://pastebin.com/dNxkiSuw How did this happen? :S
[17:50:57] <petn-randall> Billifischmaul: Probably because all those smtpd_*_restrictions also apply for your submission daemon listening on 587/tcp.
[17:51:55] <petn-randall> Billifischmaul: Best practice is to just put everything in smtpd_recipient_restrictions and override that for you submission in master.cf.
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[17:53:47] <Billifischmaul> okay so just comment out all smtpd_*_restrictions except recipient?
[17:54:43] <Billifischmaul> and do I have to remove permit_sasl_authenticated from smtpd_recipient_restrictions from main.cf?
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[17:55:31] <LunaLovegood> Hello. How would I go about setting a rate limit, per sender (i.e. users with a sasl account), but only for when they're connecting from outside the local subnets?
[17:55:59] <petn-randall> Billifischmaul: I would remove it, so you don't allow authenticated mail on port 25. Then put that as only setting in master.cf for your submission daemon.
[17:56:29] <LunaLovegood> Like, I'd want my users to be able to send at most one e-mail per 30 seconds from their work e-mail when they're outside the office.
[17:58:59] <rob0> LunaLovegood, postfwd or cbpolicyd
[17:59:03] <rob0> !postfwd
[17:59:10] <rob0> !cbpolicyd
[17:59:10] <knoba> rob0: Error: "cbpolicyd" is not a valid command.
[17:59:19] <rob0> !policyd
[17:59:19]
<knoba> rob0: "policyd" : http://www.policyd.org/ : an anti-spam Postfix policy daemon which can manage throttling of email and a variety of other things not handled by Postfix directly. Look for \"cluebringer\" in your OS package system.
[17:59:51] <rob0> !alias cbpolicyd whatis policyd
[17:59:51] <knoba> rob0: Error: The "Alias" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "cbpolicyd" in it. Try "list Alias" to see the commands in the "Alias" plugin.
[18:00:05] <rob0> !help alias
[18:00:05] <knoba> rob0: Error: There is no command "alias".
[18:00:15] <rob0> !alias help
[18:00:15] <knoba> rob0: Error: The "Alias" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "help" in it. Try "list Alias" to see the commands in the "Alias" plugin.
[18:00:23] <rob0> !list alias
[18:00:23] <knoba> rob0: add, coffee, congrat, lock, remove, tell, unlock, and whisper
[18:00:38] <rob0> !alias add cbpolicyd whatis policyd
[18:00:40] <cpm> hey rob0, I got one for ya:
[18:00:54] <cpm> spinning up a mail server for the first time in about a million years
[18:01:26] <rob0> hiya cpm!
[18:01:39] <cpm> mynetworks 127.0.0.0/8 [::1]/128 71.19.148.168/32 2605:2700:0:2:a800:ff:fe39:52d6/128
[18:02:13] <thumbs> yikes
[18:02:15] <cpm> maillog
[18:02:18] <cpm> warning: 2605:2700:0:2:a800:ff:fe39:52d6/128 is unavailable. unsupported dictionary type: 2605
[18:02:20] <cpm> wtf?
[18:02:39] <rob0> [ideally I would unset mynetworks and require AUTH for all relaying]
[18:02:44] <rob0> yeah,
[18:02:45] <cpm> ping 2605:2700:0:2:a800:ff:fe39:52d6
[18:02:45] <cpm> ping: 2605:2700:0:2:a800:ff:fe39:52d6: Address family for hostname not supported
[18:02:48] <rob0> !ipv6
[18:02:48]
<knoba> rob0: "ipv6" : (#1) Postfix 2.2 introduces support for the IPv6 protocol. See http://www.postfix.org/IPV6_README.html for details, or (#2) Your ISPs network is probably not fully compliant, or your client is not properly configured.
[18:02:50] <cpm> wtf?
[18:03:06] <rob0> IIRC you have to enclose v6 addresses in []
[18:03:19] <rob0> like you did with ::1
[18:03:25] <cpm> am leaving mynetworks defined until I have all my auth-ing all locked down for mailman, rt, etc.
[18:03:40] <Billifischmaul> petn-randall: so smtpd_recipient_restrictions = reject_invalid_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_sender,
[18:03:40] <Billifischmaul> reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_unknown_sender_domain, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, reject_unauth_pipelining,
[18:03:40] <Billifischmaul> permit_mynetworks, reject_unauth_destination, reject_rbl_client
[18:03:40] <Billifischmaul> bl.spamcop.net permit all other smtpd_*_restrictions are removed and in master.cf just -o smtpd_recipient_restrictions=permit_sasl_authenticated,reject ?
[18:04:00] <cpm> but what the *F* does Address fam, etc even mean?
[18:04:41] <rob0> Bill, basically. I wouldn't trust Spamcop with reject_rbl_client, however.
[18:04:48] <rob0> !tell Billifischmaul zen
[18:04:56] <rob0> !tell Billifischmaul cheatsheet
[18:05:53] <Billifischmaul> rob= for zen I have to setup my own DNS server, because they have a limit for free users
[18:06:03] <rob0> you should anyway
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[18:06:13] <rob0> it's trivially easy, FWIW
[18:06:53] <Billifischmaul> i will consider it
[18:07:01] <cpm> brackets v6, D'Oh!
[18:07:54] <rob0> cpm, personally, I am in no hurry to offer mail service on ipv6.
[18:08:09] <rob0> call me a Luddite
[18:08:19] <cpm> I want *everything* on ipv6, :)
[18:09:10] <rob0> you still pretty much have to have mail on ipv4, at this point there are no significant parts of the Internet which don't have v4 for mail.
[18:09:57] <cpm> and that would be because no-one wants to actually use ipv6.
[18:10:04] <cpm> Be the change you want to see in the world!
[18:10:09] * cpm farts rainbows
[18:10:59] <rob0> haha, well, when we (TINW) move large-scale into ipv6 email, so will the spammers, and our cozy little world where spam is under control will go BOOM
[18:11:30] <cpm> Since I've been gone long enough to forget everything I thought I knew, I figured to start afresh, I'd try to learn how to do it correctly this time.
[18:11:37] <cpm> Oh, the spammers are there.
[18:11:43] <cpm> they are always the first adopters.
[18:11:44] <cpm> :)
[18:12:09] <rob0> Mandatory whitelisting for ipv6, default-deny, that's the best way I see, but FUSSP
[18:13:30] <cpm> just curious, do "real" sysadmins use fail2ban?
[18:14:02] <rob0> I don't, but what do I know about real?
[18:14:19] <cpm> the fun bit, I spun these 2 vpses up out of the great void, pretty much unused v4 and v6 addresses.
[18:14:31] <cpm> the exploits started within an hour of bringing them up.
[18:14:57] <cpm> the first non-datacenter/dns packets I saw were exploit attempts.
[18:15:02] <cpm> dang, it's nasty out there.
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[18:21:46] <cpm> f2b looks like an interesting tool, but seems a bit heavy handed, and prone to creating problems. Seems like a properly configured and locked down box wouldn't need anything like that.
[18:22:08] <cpm> but the threat models have changed a lot since my day
[18:22:15] <cpm> </granpa simpson>
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[19:23:44] <patdk-lap> heh, I have been getting ipv6 spam for a few years now
[19:24:34] <patdk-lap> not enough I have setup any ipv6 rbl's yet though
[19:27:05] <petn-randall> cpm: pam_tally does most of what you want from fail2ban, but without having to resort to parsing logs.
[19:27:23] <petn-randall> cpm: Also, fail2ban had a few bad regexes that you could exploit to cause DoS.
[19:27:26] <patdk-lap> only if your looking at login attempts via pam
[19:27:59] <petn-randall> sure, that's a given.
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[20:30:25] <zacky83> hi everybody , I have a problem with postfix and dovecot .... while I have a virtual user , I get a message that no user found in recipient table
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[20:32:27] <thumbs> !tell zacky83 welcome
[20:32:27] <knoba> zacky83: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck!
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[23:09:06] <Vaska> Howdy - In main.cf does TLSv2 refer to version 2.0 or 1.2 ?
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[23:28:32] <lunaphyte> that's way too vague
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