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[08:08:33] <shantanoo> hi, all. is it possible to run a script for outgoing messages?
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[09:09:44] <shantanoo> !welcome
[09:09:44] <knoba> shantanoo: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck!
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[09:55:08] <r_hector> is it possible/reasonable to use an sql query for transport_maps?
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[09:56:24] <testpil0t> r_hector, i dont see why it shouldnt work
[09:56:26] <testpil0t> i never tried tho
[09:56:29] <testpil0t> http://www.postfix.org/mysql_table.5.html
[09:56:33] <testpil0t> http://www.postfix.org/DATABASE_README.html#preparing
[09:57:55] <r_hector> I'm already using postgresql for virtual aliases and virtual mailboxes
[09:58:17] <r_hector> I just can't find docs relating to transport_maps
[09:58:24] <r_hector> (I'm trying to add mailman support)
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[10:01:32] <r_hector> the example line (from mailman docs) for the /etc/postfix/transport file is "lists.example.com mailman:"
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[10:01:45] <r_hector> so I'm thinking:
[10:01:55] <r_hector> SELECT 'mailman:' FROM domains where domain = '%s' and type = 'mailman'
[10:02:44] <r_hector> I'd have to rework my schema a little if I needed more flexible transport options, but mailman is the only special one at the moment
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[11:35:06] <JPT> !pastebin
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[11:36:46] <JPT> While investigating an issue, i came across a weird reverse dns setup. Question is, is it really the cause for postfix (sometimes) rejecting mail from that mta? (log snippets + dig output here: https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/dlfroB7nPVnfTrT6~lJUZF5M1UNdIGYhyRLivL9gydE= )
[11:37:29] <JPT> The mta in question has two PTR records on its IP, of which only one actually resolves back to its IP
[11:37:57] <JPT> I suspect that this is the cause for postfix (sometimes, more often than not) to reject mail from that mta.
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[14:15:07] <lunaphyte> JPT: you've elected to use reject_unknown_reverse_client_hostname, or one of its siblings
[14:15:20] <lunaphyte> on a related note, as you have seen, this is unlikely to be a good idea
[14:15:40] <lunaphyte> additionally, greylisting is also unlikely to be a good idea.
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[14:15:45] <lunaphyte> instead, use postscreen
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[15:18:53] <rob0> um, unknown REVERSE client is safe. That means "no PTR at all.) It's unknown client (which means PTR+A agreement) which is not safe.
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[15:24:52] <patdk-lap> depending on the level of mail you wish to receive
[15:27:05] <rob0> of course, but rejecting on no PTR is a fairly common thing
[15:28:06] <rob0> And that's how I determine "safe": if you fit in with the majority of receivers in what you reject, violators are less likely to complain specifically to you.
[15:29:38] <rob0> Suppose site.example has no PTR, and your user wants to hear from someone there. If your user tells the correspondent to send to a gmail address, it won't go through.
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[15:43:10] <patdk-lap> it will
[15:43:16] <patdk-lap> gmail doesn't ban on no ptr
[15:43:21] <patdk-lap> gmail lets most anything in
[15:43:28] <patdk-lap> but then they normally go *missing*
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[15:44:09] <patdk-lap> if you build a reputation with gmail, then it will start to reject though
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[15:49:05] <lunaphyte> reject_unknown_reverse_client_hostname isn't safe for me. i would also be surprised if the majority of receivers rejected connections with no ptr
[15:50:00] <testpil0t> i'd say the majority does.
[15:50:39] <lunaphyte> you'd be wrong ;)
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[16:02:19] <rob0> Everyone's stream is different, but mine has been rejecting no PTR for years, and I've gotten no complaints about it. IWFM.
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[16:14:20] <buki> I had to specifically allow my bank in whitelist :(
[16:16:06] <patdk-lap> time to get a new bank
[16:16:23] <rob0> yeah, I'd complain to the bank
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[19:56:24] <zokum> new router now
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[21:14:53] <JPT> Thanks a lot for your input on this :) For now i want to insist the sender to have proper a forward confirmed reverse dns setup. And an additional, stray PTR record - unfortunately - does not fit here.
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[21:16:17] <JPT> I have to re-evaluate the whole configuration anyways - it consists of two machines that do greylisting, but don't share their results while sharing the same priority in the MX record. Not good, but only few issues so far. :/
[21:16:49] <JPT> I got the machines from a colleague that went for a different job
[21:17:37] <thumbs> yikes
[21:17:49] <thumbs> JPT: a firepit is an excellent way to handle that.
[21:18:06] <JPT> Hehehe, if i was employed full time, this would be an option
[21:18:29] <JPT> We're currently also in the process of shutting down an old eDirectory
[21:19:16] <JPT> I'll keep the lights on until i get some dedicated time to beautify things :)
[21:19:35] <JPT> Still got to make the backup scripts more realiable :(
[21:19:54] <JPT> We still have snapshots from vSphere, but that just isn't fun
[21:21:07] <JPT> [I already proposed using an EMP to get rid of all the stuff, but somehow it is hard to get one of these nucular devices.]
[21:21:25] <lunaphyte> well vsphere in and of itself isn't fun, so you're already starting at a disadvantage
[21:23:01] <JPT> I might realize my mistakes later, but until now i quite like the convenience of a vSphere.
[21:24:27] <JPT> What kind of disadvantages do you have in mind?
[21:24:56] <lunaphyte> the disadvantage of it being crappy software
[21:25:06] <Psi-Jack> ^
[21:25:37] <lunaphyte> just today i had to reboot the stupid vcenter server, because it had a guest stuck in half configured limbo
[21:26:52] <JPT> Okay, i guess that sometimes, there are some issues ruining the experience. But is it really that bad?
[21:27:08] <lunaphyte> there isn't a day that goes by that i'm not screwed over by vmware, for some invented non reason
[21:27:47] <lunaphyte> as much as it costs, it should be an experience akin to rapture
[21:27:54] <Psi-Jack> And yet. I run pretty solid with both Proxmox VE with KVM instances, and AWS EC2 instances. hehe
[21:28:11] <lunaphyte> proxmox is pretty good
[21:28:20] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, it is.
[21:28:40] <Psi-Jack> I hear RHEV or the free version of that, is also fairly decent as well.
[21:28:41] <lunaphyte> and you know what - that's really the point
[21:28:46] <Psi-Jack> RHVE I mean.
[21:29:07] <lunaphyte> the thing is, proxmox sucks too. there is plently of stuff about it that i don't like
[21:29:19] <lunaphyte> but - guess what? proxmox is FREE...
[21:29:38] <Psi-Jack> And it stays running without interference for even months at a time.
[21:29:43] <lunaphyte> so if i'm going to be stuck using something that sucks either way, why on earth would i pay for it?
[21:30:18] <JPT> I see. The free software wins due to less issues while also paying a lot less.
[21:30:53] <JPT> I assume that - if properly setup - we could probably run all of our vms on a proxmox cluster, too
[21:30:53] <lunaphyte> my philosophy, yeah
[21:30:55] <Psi-Jack> Then again, you can pay for Proxmox VE, and it's a lot cheaper, but pretty much all you get is commercial support.
[21:31:19] <lunaphyte> sure, you *can* pay for proxmox - and that's totally fine. but you don't *have* to
[21:31:28] <Psi-Jack> Exactly. :)
[21:32:34] <Psi-Jack> There.. Finally got Zabbix fully hooked up to my postfix server, parsing metrics from logtail and pflogsumm. :)
[21:33:14] <lunaphyte> we had a catastrophic failure once, where every host suddenly and inexplicably lost all of its' storage [san fibre channel connections]. and mysteriously returned before any determination could be made
[21:33:25] <lunaphyte> guess what vmware said?
[21:33:39] <JPT> "This happens from time to time"?
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[21:34:19] <lunaphyte> after the typical game of "send us this, send us that" - they said, in essence: "huh. yeah, weird. not sure. oh, so it's ok now? ok cool, well let us know if it happens again"
[21:34:40] <lunaphyte> that's what paying for someone to blame got us
[21:35:07] <JPT> Just because you're paying for a service sadly does not mean that it's a good service :/
[21:35:27] <lunaphyte> what was even better was the virtual hosts were connected to an emc storage array, and emc had recently purchased vmware.
[21:35:50] <lunaphyte> yet both were of course trying to blame the other, as usual, even despite now "being on the same team" :)
[21:36:13] <lunaphyte> that's probably enough off topic for me for now
[21:37:11] <JPT> Still, thanks for sharing :)
[21:37:44] <lunaphyte> that's only the tip of the iceberg :D
[21:38:19] <JPT> Well, we have a lot of dead bodies in the basement aswell. :|
[21:38:30] <JPT> (not literally though)
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