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[00:21:11] <rob0> timeless, I'm out of time right now, but if you're here when I get back in couple hours, I will look
[00:22:08] <rob0> another way to block to an address is transport_maps with an ERROR: result
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[01:55:25] <Sith_Lord> !getting_help
[01:55:25] <knoba> Sith_Lord: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin
[01:55:46] <Sith_Lord> !relevant_logs
[01:55:46] <knoba> Sith_Lord: "relevant_logs" : mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility (mail); filter such messages out unless asked not to.
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[01:57:30] <quizme> hi
[01:57:31] <Sith_Lord> !pastebin
[01:57:31] <knoba> Sith_Lord: "pastebin" : a pastebin site lets you easily share logs and configuration. Examples are dpaste.org, fpaste.org, or pastebin.ca. Please avoid ad-supported sites such as pastebin.com if possible.
[01:57:45] <quizme> hi, can someone please help me troubleshoot my smtp server on port 465?
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[02:00:07] <Sith_Lord> that depends
[02:00:24] <quizme> my /var/log/syslog looks like this:  http://pastebin.com/R5Y46Deb
[02:02:39] <quizme> http://pastebin.com/tJUQKrDj
[02:02:51] <quizme> would it be easier to send mail on port 25 first ?
[02:02:55] <quizme> to make sure that works ?
[02:03:04] <quizme> but my ISP blocks port 25
[02:03:10] <quizme> (I think)
[02:03:42] <quizme> sith_lord: can you help me please
[02:07:05] <patdk-lap> why are you sending email on port 25?
[02:07:07] <patdk-lap> !submission
[02:07:07] <knoba> patdk-lap: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf
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[02:19:40] <quizme> i'm using SSL on port 465 (i think)
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[02:38:03] <patdk-lap> !tell quizme smtps
[02:38:03] <knoba> quizme: "smtps" : Port 465 is smtps, SMTP over SSL, a deprecated means of submission. This means that smtps should *not* be used, and that this factoid exists for historical purposes only and should not be implemented. See !submission for smtps' successor. That being said, Postfix can implement smtps with a separate smtpd(8) listener with \"-o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes\". See the commented example in master.cf.
[02:38:53] <Sith_Lord> anyone ever used laikaboss (laikamilter) with postfix? can't seem to get postfix to even talk to laika. since they really don't have any documentation for exactly how to set it up... hoping someone here had a clue :)
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[02:53:12] <quizme> knoba: thank you, it started working once i enabled and submitted over 587
[02:53:17] <quizme> regards
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[11:32:16] <NTQ> Hi there. I want want to restrict my postfix to TLS and higher cipher suites but also allow some IPs to connect over SSLv3 and lower cipher suites. Is this possible?
[11:32:47] <NTQ> *IP addresses
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[13:07:37] <mage_> hello
[13:07:59] <mage_> which dnsbl are you using with Postfix ?
[13:08:31] <mage_> I currently have: "postscreen_dnsbl_sites = zen.spamhaus.org*2 b.barracudacentral.org*1 bl.spamcop.net*1 list.dnswl.org=127.0.[0..255].[1..3]*-2" and wonder if it could be improved
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[13:31:34] <lunaphyte> !cheatsheet
[13:31:34] <knoba> lunaphyte: "cheatsheet" : (#1) http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control., or (#2) A postscreen cheatsheet can be seen at http://rob0.nodns4.us/postscreen.html (updated 2016-01-16, now requires Postfix 2.11+)
[13:31:39] <lunaphyte> mage_: ^
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[13:33:00] <mage_> thank you :)
[13:34:56] <mage_> one stupid question: what happens if one of the listed dnsbl is down ? Postfix just hangs ?
[13:35:24] <lunaphyte> that would be pretty silly
[13:35:37] <lunaphyte> that dns lookup times out, and postfix moves on
[13:36:26] <mage_> so the mail is delivered or dropped ?
[13:36:37] <lunaphyte> dropped?
[13:36:40] <lunaphyte> good lord.
[13:36:46] <lunaphyte> no, mail is *never* dropped
[13:36:54] <mage_> queued I mean :)
[13:36:54] <lunaphyte> that would be incredibly irresponsible
[13:37:11] <lunaphyte> delivered or queued?  those are the same thing
[13:37:27] <mage_> "postfix moves on" = ? :)
[13:38:31] <lunaphyte> postfix judges the client based on the available data, and behaves as configured given that outcome
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[13:46:00] <mage_> ok :)
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[13:54:19] <mage_> what do you think of the CISCO http://www.senderbase.org/ ?
[13:54:58] <mage_> the IP of my mail server was listed for ~2H00 yesterday with a Email Reputation of "poor"
[13:55:23] <mage_> now it's "neutral"
[13:56:25] <mage_> I have the feeling that this senderbase stuff is not very reliable..
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[14:04:46] <ThiefMaster`> is this an error i should worry about?
[14:05:09] <ThiefMaster`> Feb 14 11:37:15 hydra amavis[1721]: (01721-13) (!!)collect_results from [2601] (/usr/bin/ripole): exit 102 File '/var/amavis/tmp/amavis-20170214T111746-01721-hlBNeCGs/parts/p002' is not OLE2 format\n
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[14:05:50] <lunaphyte> ThiefMaster`: that would be a question for #amavis
[14:06:05] <ThiefMaster`> which is completely inactive so i hoped someone in here would know the answer ;)
[14:06:21] <lunaphyte> ThiefMaster`: that doens't make any sense
[14:06:43] <lunaphyte> freenode [and irc in general] allows joining effectively as many channels as one wants.
[14:06:48] <ThiefMaster`> well i guess lots of people in here use amavis too
[14:07:00] <lunaphyte> anyone here who is interested in discussing or supporting amavis will alos be in #amavis
[14:07:04] <ThiefMaster`> i know. but the last time i asked in #amavis there was nobody active for a day or so
[14:07:25] <ThiefMaster`> but i'll try my luck there again
[14:07:57] <ThiefMaster`> btw, many irc networks do limit the numbers of channels you can be in at a time to e.g. 20 ;) (even though that's not the case here on freenode)
[14:08:35] <lunaphyte> the vast majority of irc users are unlikely to be anywhere near 20 channels
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[15:55:31] <NTQ> Hi there. I want want to restrict my postfix to TLS and higher cipher suites but also allow certain IP addresses to connect over SSLv3 and lower cipher suites. Is this possible?
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[16:16:09] <jaybe> anything is possible, but i highly doubt postfix provides white and blacklisting based on [insecure] protocols
[16:16:18] <lunaphyte> NTQ: no, don't do that
[16:16:28] <jaybe> sounds like an awful idea
[16:16:48] <lunaphyte> encryption cipher/protocol constraints should only be imposed for the submission service, where encryption is mandatory
[16:17:03] <lunaphyte> you don't do that for services [e.g. mx] for which encrpytion is optional
[16:17:31] <NTQ> jaybe: lunaphyte: We have some CMS systems (Plone) which cannot connect to our SMTP if I restrict postfix to higher cipher suites and TLS only.
[16:18:50] <lunaphyte> NTQ: have you configured a proper submission service?
[16:20:10] <NTQ> lunaphyte: I hope so. I went through a tutorial to setting up postfix, postfixadmin, dovecot, amavis and spamassassin.
[16:20:42] <NTQ> Only encrypted connections are allowed
[16:21:14] <NTQ> and clients have to authenticate in order to send mails
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[16:24:17] <lunaphyte> using the submission port, 587?
[16:25:23] <Keitaro> hello all
[16:26:04] <Keitaro> i am wondering when we want to configure authentification on postfix by dovecot and we wrote that :
[16:26:05] <Keitaro>     smtpd_sasl_type = dovecot
[16:26:05] <Keitaro>     smtpd_sasl_path = private/auth
[16:26:34] <Keitaro> dovecot should be on the same server that postfix for the socket ?
[16:26:44] <lunaphyte> you want to configure smtp auth with postfix when you have users who wish to submit mail
[16:27:08] <lunaphyte> dovecot does not need to be on the same computer, no.
[16:27:09] <thumbs> lunaphyte: sometimes, I tire of the submission discussion with new users.
[16:27:15] <lunaphyte> however, it frquently is, and that's just fine
[16:27:24] <lunaphyte> *frequently is
[16:27:37] <lunaphyte> thumbs: NTQ may be an exception, hopefully!
[16:27:37] <thumbs> it seems like 90% of the new users get that part wrong
[16:27:39] <Keitaro> thumbs, yes sorry :(
[16:27:44] <lunaphyte> after all, it IS valentine's day
[16:27:55] <thumbs> Keitaro: not you, personally.
[16:28:24] <Keitaro> yes but i have that pb like all the newbies you mentionned :x
[16:28:24] <thumbs> Keitaro: we get 5-6 users daily who misconfigure submission or use mynetworks because they read the wrong material
[16:28:34] <NTQ> lunaphyte: In my case it's port 465
[16:28:52] <Keitaro> 465 is https without submission i think
[16:28:56] <lunaphyte> oh good god, no, don't do that
[16:29:03] <lunaphyte> NTQ: 465 is smtps, and should not be used
[16:29:15] <lunaphyte> use submission/587
[16:29:35] <Keitaro> lunaphyte, on some blog it said that google mail server still use 465
[16:29:43] <lunaphyte> did someone suggest using smtps?  shame on them, that's relaly awful advice :(
[16:29:53] <lunaphyte> Keitaro: google does allow smtps, yes.
[16:30:02] <thumbs> Keitaro: large providers do cater to most clients, and still offer deprecated ports.
[16:30:11] <lunaphyte> they also allow submission/587, and that is what should be used
[16:30:17] <thumbs> Keitaro: in their case, they can't really afford to close those.
[16:30:17] <honestly> lunaphyte: why are you spreading FUD? There is nothing wrong with tls-wrapped SMTP.
[16:30:31] <lunaphyte> honestly: you are misinformed
[16:30:32] <Keitaro> oki
[16:30:34] <thumbs> honestly: it's not FUD
[16:30:50] <lunaphyte> honestly: make an effort to educate yourself and get your facts straight before running your mouth please
[16:30:54] * spammy grabs popcorn
[16:30:57] <honestly> there's no technical argument against tls-wrapped smtp.
[16:31:13] <lunaphyte> honestly: please stop spreading nonsense
[16:31:13] <honestly> just a shared hallucination that it's "deprecated"
[16:31:16] <lunaphyte> wrong
[16:32:50] <honestly> !smtps
[16:32:50] <knoba> honestly: "smtps" : Port 465 is smtps, SMTP over SSL, a deprecated means of submission. This means that smtps should *not* be used, and that this factoid exists for historical purposes only and should not be implemented. See !submission for smtps' successor. That being said, Postfix can implement smtps with a separate smtpd(8) listener with \"-o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes\". See the commented example in master.cf.
[16:33:17] <honestly> I don't see any technical arguments there
[16:33:50] <lunaphyte> there's no requirement that the simple factoid convince you of anything
[16:34:06] <lunaphyte> you're not making an effort to educate youself on the matter, and instead are demanding that others do it for you
[16:34:13] <Keitaro> when i try a test testsasl i got connect() : No such file or directory
[16:34:23] <Keitaro> maybe i fail something :/
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[16:34:30] <honestly> I dunno, if I google "why is smtps bad" all I get are articles detailing why STARTTLS is terrible.
[16:34:40] <spammy> here's a little history...https://web.archive.org/web/20150603202057/http://www.imc.org/ietf-apps-tls/mail-archive/msg00204.html
[16:35:24] <lunaphyte> perhaps honestly can provide the rfc which described smtps, and can provide the sanctioned iana port number...
[16:35:29] <lunaphyte> *describes
[16:36:55] <honestly> your snark does not include or imply any technical arguments
[16:37:13] <Keitaro> for the authentification we can't do with dovecot ?
[16:37:41] <lunaphyte> honestly: i'm not sure why you think anyone here is obligated to educate you on the matter
[16:37:49] <Keitaro> i mean if we do auth with dovecot we only need to use sasl on dovecot server
[16:37:50] <lunaphyte> Keitaro: dovecot can be used for smtp auth, yes
[16:38:00] <honestly> I'm plenty educated, thank you very much
[16:38:03] <NTQ> I checked our server with https://de.ssl-tools.net/mailservers/ and it is rated bad because I actually have to enable SSLv3 which I don't want but our CMS needs it.
[16:38:13] <lunaphyte> honestly: no, you're clearly not
[16:38:35] <lunaphyte> NTQ: that website is bad news, and encourages bad behavior regarding mail servers
[16:38:45] <rob0> The thing to do is to go to the TLS people, rather than random clueless Google hits, and ask why smtps is not a standard.
[16:39:20] <rob0> It's not unusual to find lots of garbage via el Goog.
[16:40:10] <honestly> rob0: does https://tlswg.github.io/ come from "the tls people"?
[16:41:22] <rob0> I don't know, can't look at it ATM
[16:42:22] <Keitaro> why when i try to do this http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo/PostfixAndDovecotSASL
[16:42:37] <Keitaro> it said that /var/spool/postfix/private/auth din't exist
[16:42:46] <Keitaro> even if i create it
[16:42:58] <NTQ> what's bad news with that website?
[16:43:47] <lunaphyte> NTQ: it's ignorant of the differences between web servers and mail servers, and encourages people to do things to their mail servers that result in worse encryption, not better encryption
[16:43:48] <rob0> Keitaro, did you restart Dovecot?  Does that page not tell you to do so?
[16:44:53] <lunaphyte> NTQ: unfortunately, that becoming an epidemic among websites like that :(
[16:45:27] <NTQ> lunaphyte: Worse encryption? I don't think so. Why not block SSLv2-3 and only allow TLS1.x?
[16:46:07] <puhuri> related for TLS, is there some plans for CRL checks (3.3 includes still it in TLS_TODO)? [not familar with openssl API so do not know if it just adding some flag, rewrite of TLS part or something between]
[16:47:11] <lunaphyte> NTQ: that does not make sense for a mail server
[16:47:25] <lunaphyte> that's exactly what i've just been saying
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[16:48:33] <rizonz> has anyone some good overview of table examples for postfix using sql ?
[16:48:34] <Keitaro> rob0, i did it but it does'nt work maybe i miss something :/
[16:48:37] <lunaphyte> puhuri: i'd ask on the mailing list
[16:48:49] <lunaphyte> rizonz: that's all covered in the documentation
[16:48:55] <rizonz> I think I cannot fix my setup with ldap
[16:48:56] <lunaphyte> rizonz: see mysql_readme
[16:49:03] <lunaphyte> rizonz: what's wrong with ldap?
[16:49:13] <lunaphyte> it's much better to use ldap than mysql, imo
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[16:50:47] <rob0> Keitaro, you might be in luck, today the WAG is strong in me. :)  Look for /var/spool/postfix/var/spool/postfix/private/auth
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[16:50:48] <NTQ> If I call netstat on my mail server I see that Ports 465 and 587 are used by the same process, named master.
[16:51:09] <lunaphyte> NTQ: indirectly, yes.  it's actually smtpd though
[16:51:48] <NTQ> https://www.fastmail.com/help/technical/ssltlsstarttls.html
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[16:52:18] <rob0> lunaphyte, if you're already using *sql, there is little or no benefit to changing to LDAP, IMO.
[16:52:20] <lunaphyte> NTQ: yes, that's additionally bad use of poor terminology.  more misleading bad advice
[16:52:37] <lunaphyte> rob0: i disagree, unless authentication is not involved
[16:53:19] <rizonz> rob0: what do you prefer chose between the two ?
[16:53:32] <rizonz> ldpa is more centralized tho
[16:53:36] <rizonz> *ldap
[16:53:42] * rob0 sees lunaphyte's disagreement and raises a fuss
[16:54:01] * lunaphyte tries to grab the fuss but it is out of reach
[16:54:37] <rizonz> rob0: I have him ignored because there was too much rumour in the past from him, is there anything helpfull he posted ?
[16:55:02] <lunaphyte> don't tell him
[16:55:17] <lunaphyte> it's better if idiots ignore me
[16:55:55] <rob0> yep
[16:56:40] <rizonz> let me give him a chance again then, I'm not that difficult, but I ignore tards that think they are good in it these days without felxibillity
[16:56:55] <rizonz> done
[16:56:56] <NTQ> lunaphyte: Do you have any links that explain why port 587 should be prefered instead of 465?
[16:56:56] <jaybe> lol- give 'him' a chance? you mean- give you a chance. :p
[16:57:15] <rob0> probably too late :)
[16:57:17] <rizonz> jaybe: huh ?
[16:57:31] <jaybe> NTQ, smtps/465 isn't even real/valid. it's ancient an should be avoided.
[16:57:36] <rob0> !tell NTQ submission
[16:57:37] <knoba> NTQ: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf
[16:57:40] <rizonz> rob0: keyboards don't die that fast
[16:58:09] <rizonz> submission can be used for lots of things
[16:58:28] <jaybe> why would he desire to help you further; you just referred to him as a 'tard', and you're suggesting you'll be helping *him* if you unignore him?  ---->  LOL
[16:58:43] <NTQ> jaybe: Who cares what number that port is. The protocol behind it should be secure.
[16:58:50] <rizonz> lunaphyte: so what was your statement about *sql and ldap
[16:59:00] <rob0> rizonz, when you say such garbage in channel, EVERYONE becomes less likely to care about your problems.
[16:59:01] <jaybe> NTQ, who cares? .. the planet, the RFC, everyone that dabbles in this space, etc. .. ?
[17:00:10] <puhuri> lunaphyte: ok, will check first
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[17:02:21] <NTQ> jaybe: I just tried it. I am able to send mails through port 465 and 587 from Thunderbird without changing anything else. Still problematic?
[17:02:47] <rizonz> rob0: heh, no I just filter people when they think they are always right, can check the channel logs
[17:03:05] <rizonz> and otherwise make my own plan
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[17:03:41] <rob0> BTW, here in #postfix I think I am almost always right. :)
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[17:04:09] <rizonz> rob0: I never believend you anways :P
[17:04:14] <rizonz> *believed
[17:04:16] <rizonz> no joking
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[17:04:32] <jaybe> NTQ, smtps/465 doesn't actually exist. it's ancient. it's not supported. it's not recommended.
[17:04:33] <rizonz> it depends, docwise someone can be right but it's all software so we can do whatever we want with it
[17:07:37] <rizonz> lunaphyte: ldap can be an issue when you have a system like some sort if isp system where people can add their own accounts
[17:07:51] <NTQ> jaybe: It's not recommended. I have understood that. But there are many clients out there which have configured already and I can not disable port 465 now. But I will tell new clients to use port 587 .
[17:08:11] <jaybe> NTQ, ++
[17:09:36] <Keitaro> rob0, we do that smtpd_sasl_path = inet:dovecot.example.com:12345 in master.cf right ?
[17:10:03] <rizonz> I can do some username magic
[17:10:56] <rob0> Keitaro, no, and that's not a Unix socket as you indicated before.  Probably time for you to read the /topic and make a pastebin.
[17:11:34] <Keitaro> :/
[17:11:48] <rob0> smtpd_sasl_path should normally be in main.cf even if only offering SASL AUTH on submission.
[17:12:07] <Keitaro> oki thx :/
[17:12:20] <rob0> smtpd_sasl_auth_enable should be an -o under submission.
[17:14:33] <rizonz> rob0: the issue with ldap is usernames, with sql you can do more flexible things
[17:15:15] <lunaphyte> so far, the actual "issue" has yet to be described
[17:15:23] <rizonz> I have multiple companies using the same ldap server with mutlilpe domains they can push in their own, but if company X and Y both have ben working I need todo something like ben_X and ben_Y in ldap
[17:16:15] <rizonz> but I switched for some part already to email login so, that might be better
[17:17:06] <NTQ> Can you please have a look at my main.cf and tell me if it well configured? I thought about changing the sections with "# !!!!" to get higher security but I don't know if this is the right way. https://dpaste.de/T5mo
[17:19:13] <Keitaro> !help
[17:19:13] <knoba> Keitaro: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
[17:19:20] <Keitaro> !config
[17:19:20] <knoba> Keitaro: (config <name> [<value>]) -- If <value> is given, sets the value of <name> to <value>. Otherwise, returns the current value of <name>. You may omit the leading "supybot." in the name if you so choose.
[17:19:46] <Keitaro> what are the command that we need to paste plz ?
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[17:19:55] <Keitaro> !getting_help
[17:19:55] <knoba> Keitaro: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin
[17:20:04] <Keitaro> !showconfig
[17:20:04] <knoba> Keitaro: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old
[17:22:08] <NTQ> no problem
[17:22:16] <Keitaro> rob0, https://paste.fedoraproject.org/558095/48708932/
[17:23:19] <Keitaro> why i don't see the lmtp port listen when i do a netstat ?
[17:24:26] <NTQ> Again: https://paste.ubuntuusers.de/423588/
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[17:35:02] <rob0> Keitaro, numerous problems in that, foremost seems to be that you followed an ancient tutorial.
[17:35:06] <rob0> !dsbl
[17:35:06] <knoba> rob0: "dsbl" : The list.dsbl.org RBL was discontinued in 2008. Please stop using it. See http://dsbl.org/node/7 for details.
[17:35:11] <rob0> !rfc1
[17:35:11] <knoba> rob0: Error: "rfc1" is not a valid command.
[17:35:16] <rob0> !rfci
[17:35:16] <knoba> rob0: "rfci" : The RFC-Ignorant.org DNS lists are closed effective 2012-10-30. You should remove them from your configuration if you were using them.
[17:35:45] <rob0> 9 years out of date!
[17:36:20] <rob0> line 3 warns you that you have 2 smtpd_sasl_path entries
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[17:37:01] <rob0> line 4 is not a problem per se, but you do in fact have two smtpd_client_restrictions overrides for the same service
[17:37:37] <Keitaro> yes i change that for the line 3 and delete the first one
[17:38:12] <rob0> line 32 is wrong as I already said once
[17:38:23] <Keitaro> but i didn't understand why you said  The RFC-Ignorant.org DNS lists are closed effective 2012-10-30. You should remove them from your configuration if you were using them.
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[17:39:27] <ArcanePhoenix> I am working on a homebrew hosting panel and would like to implement per-domain and per-user settings or certain things. For instance, per-domain bounce messages (or redirects). How would I implement something like that? Does postfix have any kind of per-domain configs or settings?
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[17:39:30] <rob0> submission & smtps both need to override all restrictions you have in main.cf, and you should not have any permit_* restrictions there.  Your system would offer and accept AUTH on port 25.
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[17:43:09] <Keitaro> ok i will see that
[17:43:59] <Keitaro> <rob0> submission & smtps both need to override all restrictions you have in main.cf, and you should not have any permit_* restrictions there.
[17:44:01] <Keitaro> why ?
[17:44:20] <rob0> no permit_* restrictions in main.cf
[17:46:13] <Keitaro> so i delete all my smtpd_recipient_restrictions=
[17:46:13] <Keitaro>  in main.cf ?
[17:47:20] <Keitaro> oh no i understand i delete only permit_* and keep the reject_* right .?
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[17:48:45] <rob0> right
[17:49:05] <Keitaro> oki comment those line
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[17:49:31] <Keitaro> and also remove the rfci line
[17:50:10] <rob0> ArcanePhoenix, tons of them; the fact that you're asking suggests that you have a long and steep learning curve ahead.
[17:50:22] <rob0> !tell ArcanePhoenix docs
[17:50:22] <knoba> ArcanePhoenix: "docs" : Postfix documentation http://www.postfix.org/documentation.html
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[17:53:10] <Keitaro> rob0, here is the new one after the reload https://paste.fedoraproject.org/558123/70911741/
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[18:02:08] <Keitaro> rob0, now i can send mail with postfix using the mail command but when i try to send a mail back to postfix i got that log :
[18:02:10] <Keitaro> Feb 14 17:59:54 roucoups postfix/smtpd[5815]: > mail-ua0-f182.google.com[209.85.217.182]: 220 pa8.fr ESMTP Postfix (Ubuntu)
[18:02:10] <Keitaro> Feb 14 17:59:54 roucoups postfix/smtpd[5815]: xsasl_dovecot_server_create: SASL service=smtp, realm=(null)
[18:02:10] <Keitaro> Feb 14 17:59:54 roucoups postfix/smtpd[5815]: name_mask: noanonymous
[18:02:10] <Keitaro> Feb 14 17:59:54 roucoups postfix/smtpd[5815]: xsasl_dovecot_server_connect: Connecting
[18:02:11] <Keitaro> Feb 14 17:59:54 roucoups postfix/smtpd[5815]: trying... [192.168.20.18]
[18:02:15] <Keitaro> Feb 14 17:59:54 roucoups postfix/smtpd[5815]: Connection refused
[18:02:17] <Keitaro> Feb 14 17:59:54 roucoups postfix/smtpd[5815]: warning: SASL: Connect to inet:192.168.20.18:24 failed: Connection refused
[18:02:20] <Keitaro> Feb 14 17:59:54 roucoups postfix/smtpd[5815]: fatal: no SASL authentication mechanisms
[18:02:22] <Keitaro> Feb 14 17:59:55 roucoups postfix/master[1790]: warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid 5815 exit status 1
[18:02:25] <Keitaro> Feb 14 17:59:55 roucoups postfix/master[1790]: warning: /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
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[18:02:37] <Keitaro> is that because i can't connect from postfix server to my dovecot server ?
[18:03:22] <Keitaro> and when it said no sasl mechanism it is because of postfix ? i think it is because of dovecot right ?
[18:03:43] <rob0> first thing DO NOT FLOOD THE CHANNEL
[18:04:00] <rob0> second thing YOU DO NOT NEED VERBOSE LOGS
[18:04:35] <Keitaro> ah ?
[18:04:39] <Keitaro> sorry
[18:04:42] <rob0> the "warning" line clearly says what's wrong, and that would be in non-verbose logs
[18:05:13] <Keitaro> i was just reading the /Var/log/mail.log to check if something wrong i thought it is the best way to investigate
[18:05:28] <Keitaro> oki
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[18:06:02] <rob0> Third (fourth?) thing, I already told you to set smtpd_sasl_path in main.cf and NOT in master.cf
[18:07:03] <rob0> and you need a -o syslog_name=postfix/submission on submission
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[18:07:49] <rob0> the sample master.cf entry for submission has that!  Your clueless howto did not?
[18:12:44] <Keitaro> oki will change that for smtp sask oath
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[18:14:30] <Keitaro> rob0, how can i do for non verbose postfix log ? because i always read the mail.log :x
[18:14:37] <Keitaro> i just send you mail.err ?
[18:15:17] <junixbr> hi there, have somebody seen systemd (ubuntu 16.04) restart postfix service each second?
[18:15:27] <junixbr> clean installation
[18:16:03] <rob0> !verbose
[18:16:03] <knoba> rob0: "verbose" : You probably do not need verbose logging, but in very rare cases, the extra detail might assist in debugging. To set verbose logging, add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) in master.cf, then 'postfix reload' after that
[18:16:08] <rob0> !debian
[18:16:08] <knoba> rob0: "debian" : (#1) Please see /usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian for Debian-specific information. This probably applies to Ubuntu and most other Debian-derivative distributions as well., or (#2) Debian splits the syslog mail facility into several files; the one most likely to be of interest is mail.log , which contains all mail.* priority levels.
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[18:18:14] <Keitaro> oki i will just past the warning ^^
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[18:19:27] <Keitaro> i just got /usr/sbin/postconf: warning: /etc/postfix/master.cf: undefined parameter: mua_client_restrictions
[18:19:27] <Keitaro>  atm
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[19:38:02] <fellipe> Hi, I am following this: http://wiki.dovecot.org/HowTo/PostfixDovecotLMTP and I would like to know the difference between virtual_transport and mailbox_transport. My goal is to just use the simple passwd plain text file and make it sufficient to lmtp delivers to the /home/vmail/{username}
[19:39:17] <rob0> mailbox_transport is for system users
[19:39:26] <rob0> !virtual_transport
[19:39:26] <knoba> rob0: "virtual_transport" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default mail delivery transport for domains that match the $virtual_mailbox_domains parameter value. This information can be overruled with the transport(5) table.
[19:39:42] <rob0> !mailbox_transport
[19:39:42] <knoba> rob0: "mailbox_transport" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional message delivery transport that the local(8) delivery agent should use for mailbox delivery to all local recipients, whether or not they are found in the UNIX passwd database.
[19:39:55] <rob0> see also:
[19:40:02] <rob0> !address_classes
[19:40:02] <knoba> rob0: "address_classes" : http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html describes how Postfix deals with different classes of addresses: local, relay, virtual alias, virtual mailbox, and Internet.
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[19:47:43] <quizme> hi
[19:48:19] <quizme> david at buddybuddychat dot com is not receiving emails from gmail or yahoo
[19:48:43] <quizme> can somebody help me figure this out please
[19:49:06] <quizme> I can send and receiving using thunderbird
[19:49:06] <patdk-wk> not really
[19:49:11] <patdk-wk> !tell quizme getting_help
[19:49:11] <knoba> quizme: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin
[19:50:14] <quizme> i have /var/log/syslog /var/log/mail.log and /var/log/dovecot.log and they're not being hit, and I have my firewalls turned off.
[19:50:37] <rob0> $ telnet buddybuddychat.com. 25
[19:50:37] <rob0> Trying 45.79.154.61...
[19:50:37] <quizme> when originating an email from gmail or yahoo, the server is not being hit at all
[19:50:37] <rob0> telnet: connect to address 45.79.154.61: Connection refused
[19:50:59] <quizme> rob0 you should use 587
[19:51:05] <patdk-wk> Trying 2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe98:b1aa...
[19:51:05] <patdk-wk> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[19:51:07] <pj> !tell quizme nologs
[19:51:07] <knoba> quizme: "nologs" : Nothing in your mail logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question. also see !logs.
[19:51:11] <rob0> buddybuddychat.com.     86399   IN      MX      10 buddybuddychat.com.
[19:51:22] <patdk-wk> quizme, 25 you mean
[19:51:24] <patdk-wk> !smtp
[19:51:24] <knoba> patdk-wk: Error: "smtp" is not a valid command.
[19:51:28] <patdk-wk> !submission
[19:51:29] <knoba> patdk-wk: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf
[19:52:35] <rob0> quizme, ALL mail exchange EXCLUSIVELY takes place on port 25.
[19:53:06] <rob0> There is no provision for alternate ports for MTA-to-MTA traffic.
[19:53:07] <quizme> rob0 oh...
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[19:57:13] <patdk-wk> smtp doesn't yet, and likely never will, support srv dns records
[19:58:34] <rob0> right, I'd expect the whole protocol to be replaced before SRV support is added :(
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[20:04:31] <quizme> okay so i turned port 25  back on again and the logs are lighting up.  thanks a lot.
[20:05:34] <rob0> yw
[20:06:49] <quizme> so port 25 is for MTA-MTA traffic like Gmail, 587 is for Thunderbird and the like, and 465 is deprecated
[20:07:38] <patdk-wk> 25 is to send/receive from other servers
[20:07:45] <patdk-wk> 587 is to receive from users
[20:07:52] <quizme> oh
[20:08:10] <rob0> yes, you're right
[20:08:15] <patdk-wk> then normally to send to users is 143/110 (imap or pop3)
[20:09:14] <quizme> shouldn't we use the secure versions of 143 / 110 always?  993/995 ?
[20:09:50] <patdk-wk> no
[20:09:58] <patdk-wk> why isn't 143/110 secure?
[20:10:08] <patdk-wk> it's the same issue with port 25 and 465
[20:10:11] <rob0> 143 + STARTTLS
[20:11:00] <quizme> okay
[20:11:01] <patdk-wk> if it was the whole instant gradification of round trip time, http would also be the same :(
[20:11:21] <patdk-wk> then you would only have to worry about port 80
[20:11:32] <patdk-wk> but no, an extra round trip is too much overhead
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[20:20:28] <megaTherion> Is there a way to restrict the outgoing IP within the master.cf, or is the outgoing IP always the one used in smtp_bind_address?
[20:21:01] <anexit_> Question, emails getting sent out, can I make a copy to my inbox?  For example I have a small php script that will send emails to a registered user.  I would like to see where that email is going so I can follow up.
[20:21:20] <patdk-wk> always
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[20:21:24] <patdk-wk> !smtp_bind_address
[20:21:24] <knoba> patdk-wk: "smtp_bind_address" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: An optional numerical network address that the SMTP client should bind to when making a connection.
[20:21:36] <patdk-wk> but I don't get your question
[20:21:48] <patdk-wk> smtp_bind_address is perfectly valid in master.cf, so yes to both
[20:22:21] <patdk-wk> anexit_, always_bcc
[20:23:22] <megaTherion> !smtpd_bind_address
[20:23:22] <knoba> megaTherion: Error: "smtpd_bind_address" is not a valid command.
[20:23:27] <megaTherion> hm
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[20:27:14] <patdk-wk> smtp!=smtpd
[20:27:17] <patdk-wk> !smtp!=smtpd
[20:27:17] <knoba> patdk-wk: "smtp!=smtpd" : Postfix smtp_* and smtpd_* configuration parameters have different meanings. smtp_ = client and smtpd_ = server, the client-side sends mail whilst the server-side receives mail. (smtp = client = sends mail) (smtpd = server = receives mail)
[20:28:28] <megaTherion> indeed
[20:28:30] <megaTherion> now I got my error ^^
[20:35:24] <quizme> thanks again.
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[20:39:49] <timeless> rob0: thanks... i think one of the problems i hit was that the serfault thing didn't make it clear where the smtpd_recipieitn_restrictions line was supposed to go -- so i put it in the wrong file
[20:40:11] <timeless> right now i'm trying to figure out if my current config is working
[20:40:14] <rob0> timeless, oh, I forgot you, sorry
[20:40:22] <timeless> no worries, i think i asked and then went home
[20:40:29] <timeless> or had an insight
[20:40:32] * timeless isn't sure
[20:40:32] <rob0> pastebin something if you like
[20:40:34] * timeless is sick
[20:40:52] <anexit_> patdk-wk: perfect, thanks!
[20:41:04] <timeless> what would really help me w/ all of these programs is a way to run them and say "here's your input, please tell me all the rules you're considering and whether they apply"
[20:41:15] <timeless> basically "app --dry-run --trace"
[20:41:28] <rob0> well there is:
[20:41:32] <rob0> !postmapq
[20:41:32] <knoba> rob0: "postmapq" : You can check your lookups with the postmap command. Example: if you defined transport_maps = mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf you may check this mapping by running postmap -q example.com mysql:/etc/postfix/transport.cf and see if it works.
[20:42:04] <rob0> postmap -q checks a SINGLE lookup, but does not do all the lookups that Postfix might do
[20:42:26] <timeless> so, i'm a clueless user who has inherited an incredibly complex system
[20:42:35] <timeless> i appreciate being able to debug an individual cog, but w/ so many cogs
[20:43:00] <rob0> so to fully benefit from that you need to be familiar with the type of lookup involved, and all the variations used
[20:43:10] <timeless> i really want postmap --magic-query --from user@host --to recipient@host --with-default-config
[20:43:24] <timeless> for lack of a better way to describe it
[20:43:25] <rob0> postmap --dwim ;)
[20:43:31] <timeless> yep
[20:43:49] <timeless> fsck. nagios complaint: "SMTP is unavailable"
[20:44:01] <rob0> right, there is a sendmail(1) test, but that's far from complete
[20:45:21] <timeless> the key being, i don't want mail delivered -- obviously i can do that
[20:45:37] <timeless> i want to know if the rules i wrote are catching the mail that i'm trying to process, or if not, why not
[20:45:52] <timeless> (i mean, most likely, they aren't, otherwise i don't need to debug anything...)
[20:46:13] <patdk-wk> sounds like if you really really need to know, have to enable verbose :(
[20:46:42] <timeless> i wouldn't mind verbose, is there such a thing? and would it answer my question?
[20:46:49] <patdk-wk> !verbose
[20:46:49] <knoba> patdk-wk: "verbose" : You probably do not need verbose logging, but in very rare cases, the extra detail might assist in debugging. To set verbose logging, add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) in master.cf, then 'postfix reload' after that
[20:47:07] <patdk-wk> you should be very scared at how much it logs
[20:47:09] <timeless> "this exists, you shouldn't use it"
[20:47:20] <patdk-wk> it's not to solve most problems
[20:47:29] <timeless> so, i really want something that i can use on a single input, not as a live thing for the whole system
[20:47:45] <patdk-wk> that would be live on the whole system
[20:47:52] <timeless> one message's verbose log output would help me, an entire system's verbose logging to disk would obviously be fatal
[20:48:16] <timeless> yeah, i get that, which is why i'm responding indicating that it doesn't seem like it'll --dwim/--dwiw
[20:48:18] <patdk-wk> well, you need to know what process you need to be verbose, duplicate it
[20:48:23] <patdk-wk> and run only your mail through that service
[20:48:34] <patdk-wk> be it smtpd, qmgr, or whatever
[20:51:25] * timeless ponders
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[20:51:47] <timeless> say i had a file that i thought was relevant to the system, is there an easy way for me to ask one or all of these daemons "do you care about this config file"?
[20:52:21] <timeless> because, i'm tweaking a file, and at least in theory, i think it's the right file, but, for all i know the answer is that none of the daemons care about it (this has happened to me)
[20:52:37] <timeless> i mean, normally what i'd do is strace each thing and then ask them to reload their configs
[20:52:49] <timeless> but, gosh that's a pretty expensive approach to figuring out what's going on
[20:53:07] <Darkhunter> Hello, can somebody help me with receiving emails? I have domain simplestore.cz and mx on mail.simplestore.cz 10 simplestore.cz and A record as my ip address, but I am still not getting mails...There is nothing in postfix logs...Maybe something with postfix conf? It works for my other domain
[20:55:09] <rob0> timeless, did the serverfault thing say what it was you were trying to accomplish?
[20:56:43] <patdk-wk> !nologs
[20:56:43] <knoba> patdk-wk: "nologs" : Nothing in your mail logs commonly means one of two things: either your syslogd is broken (try restarting it), or the connections are not coming to your server. Check your firewall/networking and the DNS for the domain in question. also see !logs.
[20:57:05] <rob0> Darkhunter, simplestore.cz is not answering on port 25
[20:57:09] <timeless> http://serverfault.com/questions/412638/block-outgoing-mail-to-specific-address-using-postfix
[20:57:19] <timeless> trying to block delivery of mail to a specific address
[20:57:53] <patdk-wk> not answering on either ipv4 and ipv6
[20:57:56] <patdk-wk> it needs to answer on both
[20:58:18] <Darkhunter> rob0: Okay, that will be the issue...Only mail.simplestore.cz is having A record
[20:58:29] <patdk-wk> timeless, yes, but I thought you wanted to block incoming, not outgoing
[20:58:44] <timeless> um
[20:58:47] * timeless ponders
[20:58:51] <Darkhunter> rob0: Thanks...I am looking on this for hours, but couldn't resolve it...
[20:58:56] <timeless> there's an evil process on this computer
[20:59:02] <timeless> it sends mail to a certain address
[20:59:28] <timeless> afaict this computer's postfix is responsible for receiving that email and sending it to the designated MX (on another computer that I also control)
[20:59:49] <timeless> that other computer's smtp daemon first runs spamassassin, and then has a rule that says to discard all mail to that account
[20:59:59] <timeless> which means i'm flooding that other computer w/ really useless mail
[21:00:55] <timeless> (really, the evil program on this computer should be fixed, but i'm wearing a sysadmin hat today, and the evil process is compiled java that i'm told no one wants to touch)
[21:01:03] <patdk-wk> timeless, well, post the logs
[21:01:09] <patdk-wk> it has to be coming into postfix somehow
[21:01:15] <timeless> which logs?
[21:01:16] <patdk-wk> smtpd, pickup, ...
[21:01:22] <patdk-wk> of the email you want to discard
[21:01:49] <timeless> i'm pretty sure that it's coming in via java speaking to smtp, which means i'd assume that `smtpd` is responsible for the receipt portion
[21:01:52] <rob0> timeless, you probably want:
[21:01:56] <rob0> !transport_maps
[21:01:56] <knoba> rob0: "transport_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional lookup tables with mappings from recipient address to (message delivery transport, next-hop destination). See transport(5) for details.
[21:02:08] <patdk-wk> dropping it on the outgoing queue is possible (using transport maps), but not desirable, cause your wasting lots of disk io for queue
[21:02:21] <rob0> a transport entry for your address@domain with "error:"
[21:02:24] <patdk-wk> blocking it on incoming (smtpd/pickup) is ideal
[21:02:53] <rob0> of course note that pickup is unable to reject anything
[21:02:57] <patdk-wk> rob0, won't that just convert it to a bounce?
[21:03:11] <rob0> you'd get a bounce from sendmail-submitted mail, yes
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[21:10:33] <timeless> so, what i have right now in master.cf is: smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_recipient_access hash:/etc/postfix/bad_recipients, reject_unauth_destination, permit_mynetworks, permit
[21:11:09] <timeless> and that file has a single line: user at example dot com DISCARD employee is gone
[21:11:37] <rob0> won't work if sendmail is used, might not work if submission is used
[21:12:09] <rob0> also, is discard a good idea?  I generally think not.
[21:12:43] <timeless> none of these words mean anything to me :)
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[21:12:53] <patdk-wk> the comment is useless, except to those reading the log
[21:13:23] * timeless still hasn't figured out "where the log is" :o
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[21:13:31] <rob0> !logs
[21:13:31] <knoba> rob0: "logs" : Postfix logs to the mail facility of syslog. You can usually find them with ls /var/log/mail*; otherwise see your system's syslog server documentation. Also see !nologs and !mung
[21:14:02] <rob0> also, simply remove the account of ser at example dot com and any mail thereto should be rejected
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[21:14:02] <timeless> java       8736     root  420u  IPv6 246268397      0t0  TCP localhost:36597->localhost:25 (ESTABLISHED)
[21:14:11] <timeless> master     8214     root   12u  IPv4     22150      0t0  TCP localhost:25 (LISTEN)
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[21:15:48] <timeless> rob0: the problem i'm trying to solve is that the flow is: {origin: java -> postfix} -> {mail: exim -> spamassassin -> clamav -> aliases-processing }
[21:16:01] <timeless> the spamassassin step is particularly expensive
[21:16:20] <timeless> (the flow is actually much worse on that mail side of the graph, but this is a simplified version of the problem)
[21:16:46] <timeless> ideally i'd just change the java code not to try to send the mail, but short of that, it's clear from lsof that java is speaking to postfix on port 25
[21:17:09] <timeless> and thus i can ask postfix to stop the mail flow before it leaves this computer, and thus save the remote mail system a lot of useless processing
[21:17:38] <timeless> (currently that aliases-processing at the end of the flow is what results in the mail being dropped, but the whole thing is expensive and clutters a lot of logs)
[21:17:49] <patdk-wk> alot of things like that, I will just bypass spamassassin for
[21:17:55] <patdk-wk> like all my system alert emails bypass it
[21:18:02] <patdk-wk> for one thing, they are alarts
[21:18:10] <patdk-wk> for another, when alerts happen, there is noramlly a pile of them
[21:19:49] <timeless> yeah, there are lots of optimizations i need to make
[21:20:02] <timeless> for now, i'm trying to make one -- here on this postfix system
[21:20:17] <timeless> hopefully i'll eventually fix a bunch of the other problems, but not today
[21:21:48] <rob0> yes, a lot of ugly is there
[21:22:12] <rob0> !discard
[21:22:12] <knoba> rob0: "discard" : Postfix discard(8) transport(5) to discard mail: http://www.postfix.org/discard.8.html
[21:22:17] * timeless has actually omitted a lot more of the ugly from that diagram, it's much worse than i described
[21:23:38] <patdk-wk> atleast it's using smtp atleast
[21:23:44] <patdk-wk> so smtpd rule should block it easily
[21:24:20] <patdk-wk> I cannot remember what it is, but there is something you cannot do using smtp maps for email that you can for smtpd
[21:25:05] <timeless> that file is from Feb 12
[21:25:16] <patdk-wk> that is small
[21:25:31] <patdk-wk> mine are around 1gig after compression, daily
[21:26:12] <timeless> i suppose i should feel better
[21:26:23] <rob0> timeless, is this some ancient version?
[21:26:39] <timeless> Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 6.8 (Santiago)
[21:27:02] <timeless> postfix 2.6.6 release 6.el6_7.1
[21:27:09] <rob0> yes
[21:27:23] <timeless> upgrading these systems to vaguely current stuff is *also* on my todo list
[21:27:30] <rob0> I think 5 years past EOL
[21:27:31] <timeless> (my todo list is quite large as i'm sure you can imagine)
[21:27:46] <timeless> i'm sorry, i do promise to contribute something to postfix in thanks
[21:27:57] * timeless has already contributed to exim and a couple of other projects this year
[21:29:41] <timeless> ideally most of these systems would rebuilt from the ground up using modern supported stacks, but then i'd have to be able to reconfigure the custom parts and get them to play nicely w/ today's world. and since i know essentially nothing about the custom portions, that could be incredibly hard -- and since there's a paying customer, the risk of breaking
[21:29:42] <timeless> something is considerable and the general benefits (to anyone other than me) are low
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[21:31:10] <rob0> Postfix 2.9, one of the more recent EOL versions ( ;) ), introduced this, which helps with big logfiles and grep:
[21:31:20] <rob0> !enable_long_queue_ids
[21:31:20] <knoba> rob0: "enable_long_queue_ids" : Enable long, non-repeating, queue IDs (queue file names). The benefit of non-repeating names is simpler logfile analysis and easier queue migration (there is no need to run postsuper to change queue file names that don't match their message file inode number). See http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#enable_long_queue_ids
[21:31:22] * timeless chuckles
[21:35:39] <timeless> so, this is what the log file looks like (more or less) https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/7qOVGlAf/
[21:37:03] <timeless> oh, so i guess the key is whether i see postfix/smtp[24996]: 50D2AAC023A: to=<gone at example dot com>, relay=
[21:37:21] <rob0> smtp=outbound
[21:37:35] <rob0> smtpd=inbound
[21:38:00] <timeless> Feb 14 13:30:37 localhost postfix/master[8214]: fatal: /etc/postfix/master.cf: line 106: bad transport type: =
[21:38:06] <timeless> great, i corrupted postfix :(
[21:38:17] <timeless> well, that's one way to solve my mail problems
[21:39:08] * timeless goes to read `man 5 master`
[21:39:13] <timeless> (again)
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[21:41:47] <timeless> smtp      inet  n       -       n       -       -       smtpd
[21:41:50] <timeless>    -o 'smtpd_recipient_restrictions=check_recipient_access hash:/etc/postfix/bad_recipients, reject_unauth_destination, permit_mynetworks, permit'
[21:42:08] <timeless> is that likely to be a valid configuration? since clearly what i had wasn't...
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[21:42:41] <rob0> well it could be, but typically you put your port 25 restrictions in main.cf
[21:42:57] <rob0> oh
[21:43:21] <rob0> no spaces, use commas, or better yet, set a variable in main.cf and refer to that in master
[21:45:21] * timeless is horribly confused
[21:45:32] <timeless> let's assume that the spirit of that line is what i want
[21:46:06] <timeless> could you possibly tell me what precise string of characters to put into which file, and where in the file they have to be? (apparently at least master.cf cares about the precise position in a file)
[21:46:19] <rob0> yes, leave master.cf alone and just set your smtpd_recipient_restrictions in main.cf
[21:46:49] <rob0> the string you have, less the quotes, is fine in main.cf
[21:47:04] <timeless> and less the `-o` at the beginning?
[21:47:49] <timeless> # tail -1 main.cf
[21:47:49] <timeless> smtpd_recipient_restrictions = check_recipient_access hash:/etc/postfix/bad_recipients, reject_unauth_destination, permit_mynetworks, permit
[21:48:10] <rob0> right, postconf(5) (main.cf) basic syntax is
[21:48:17] <rob0> setting = value
[21:48:53] <rob0> "value" can spread over multiple lines if needed, start continuation lines with whitespace
[21:49:17] <rob0> whitespace includes space, tab, comma, newline
[21:52:34] <Keitaro> it is not the real topic but when we use postfix and dovecot as a mda what kind of auth should we use for auth user of dovecot on active directory ?
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[21:56:17] <timeless> rob0: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/PNtjedsP/%2Fvar%2Flog%2Fmaillog
[21:56:27] * timeless dances
[21:56:28] <timeless> thanks!
[21:56:45] <timeless> i really wish there was a howto or something that documented this in a single easy to find place
[21:57:38] <rob0> the READMEs are very approachable, and the man pages are thorough and clear :)
[21:57:39] <timeless> i appreciate the unix approach of "split programs up into lots of small easily configurable programs", but splitting up the help across hundreds of incomplete forum posts doesn't really do me any favors
[21:57:59] <rob0> but part of the problem here is that you're wanting something unusual
[21:58:50] <timeless> well, i suppose since the goal of a mailer is to deliver mail, and my goal is for it to not deliver mail...
[21:59:08] * timeless is guilty
[21:59:58] <rob0> Keitaro, AD is just a form of LDAP
[22:00:10] <rob0> !ldap
[22:00:10] <knoba> rob0: "ldap" : Postfix can use LDAP for various lookups; see http://www.postfix.org/LDAP_README.html and http://www.postfix.org/ldap_table.5.html for details.
[22:00:34] <rob0> Dovecot wiki tells how to configure LDAP lookups there.
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[22:10:16] <Keitaro> oki rob0 thx
[22:11:26] <Keitaro> i mean for the ldap if we choose dovecot auth on postfix we only need to configure the LDAP auth on dovecot right ? or we still need to do it for postfix too ?
[22:11:40] <Keitaro> i mean because of the submission
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[22:21:15] <rob0> !dovecot_sasl
[22:21:15] <knoba> rob0: "dovecot_sasl" : See http://wiki2.dovecot.org/HowTo/PostfixAndDovecotSASL for instructions to configure Dovecot SASL for Postfix. See also: http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#server_dovecot
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[22:29:16] <mishehu> rob0: hey man, quick question for you - I've been trying to explain teh confusing nuance between relay_ and virtual_ classes, and I explained that virtual_ is when you want postfix to handle start-to-finish on the delivery, but relay_ is how to hand-off to something else (i.e. lmtp).  was the underlying reason at least in part due to efficiency ?
[22:34:08] <lunaphyte> i'd encourage you to think about it terms of the lda.
[22:34:21] <lunaphyte> postfix offers two ldas.  local(8) and virtual(8)
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[22:35:31] <mishehu> so if you use virtual_ with another lda, you're putting an lda to an lda.  if you use relay_ then you skip the postfix lda cutting out the middle man
[22:35:32] <lunaphyte> it's not a coincidence that two of the address classes are called local and virtual, and it's not a coincidence that the transport for each of those two classes is local(8) and virtual(8) ;)
[22:37:03] <lunaphyte> you're not putting an lda to an lda, but you're commandeering an address class for something other than the reason it largely came to be
[22:38:48] <mishehu> that makes it sound like it's just a semantics issue, but I remember something actually being broken when I mistakenly used virtual_ myself, and it worked after I switched to relay_.
[22:39:32] <lunaphyte> it could be aruged ot semantics, to some extent, sure.  but if you take the time to actually look closely at the elements, it's not really about that
[22:40:09] <lunaphyte> people quite frequently use the virtual address class to relay mail to dovecot for delivery, because they have stuck preconceptions about "virtual" addresses.
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[22:41:50] <lunaphyte> if you look at the way that virtual_mailbox_maps is designed to work with virtual(8), you can see that it implements an element which is immaterial outside of use of virtual(8)
[22:43:02] <lunaphyte> the short answer is that both the virtual and relay addresses clases function just fine with a third party lda.  that's not the issue
[22:46:30] <rob0> you can force almost anything into almost any address class, but indeed, for LMTP I think the relay class makes most sense.
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[22:58:26] <patdk-lap> one of these days I will convert my config into the relay class
[22:58:35] <patdk-lap> well, my lmtp installs
[22:58:41] <patdk-lap> my non-lmtp ones already use relay
[22:59:18] <rob0> it's pretty simple, since there is no special requirement for the return value for relay_recipient_maps
[22:59:54] <patdk-lap> I'm probably being overly paranoid, but heh, I'm like that
[23:01:07] <rizonz> ok I need MySQL for my lookups app wise
[23:04:15] <mishehu> I'm probably using things improperly myself by not having an alias maps and just allowing for multiple values of the mail: element in ldap.  (the mail address element in the schema I'm using)
[23:06:41] <mishehu> rob0: relay_ has been working perfect for me ever since you and another guy here convinced me I was doing it wrong before that.
[23:06:57] <mishehu> I just can't remember what it was that was breaking on me that you told me "use relay_ instead"
[23:07:01] * thumbs blames the other guy
[23:12:21] <mishehu> thumbs: you're just all thumbs.
[23:12:35] <mishehu> you get blamed for any lack of fine motor skills :-)
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