February 13, 2017 
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February 13, 2017 [00:16:45] *** higuita <higuita!~higuita@255.86.249.5.rev.vodafone.pt> has joined #postfix[00:17:08] *** j7k6 <j7k6!~j7k6@unaffiliated/j7k6> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:18:58] *** johnny56 <johnny56!~johnny56@unaffiliated/johnny56> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[00:21:16] *** johnny56 <johnny56!~johnny56@unaffiliated/johnny56> has joined #postfix[00:21:48] *** Zilon <Zilon!~Zilon@www.schem.me> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye)[00:23:08] *** gu1lle_1 <gu1lle_1!~Thunderbi@190.18.2.99> has joined #postfix[00:23:35] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@190.18.2.99> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:23:35] *** gu1lle_1 is now known as gu1lle_[00:24:16] *** Zilon <Zilon!~Zilon@mail.schem.me> has joined #postfix[00:41:48] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has quit IRC (Quit: See you on the flip side)[00:50:53] *** souther <souther!~souther@2605:6400:1:fed5:22:1ac:61c0:e24e> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[00:51:34] *** souther <souther!~souther@2605:6400:1:fed5:22:1ac:61c0:e24e> has joined #postfix[01:00:13] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@165.21.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:06:42] <ThiefMaster> https://bpaste.net/show/a4b91d646a16 - any idea why i'm getting this error? [postfix/trusted-local/smtpd] fatal: in parameter smtpd_relay_restrictions or smtpd_recipient_restrictions, specify at least one working instance of: reject_unauth_destination, defer_unauth_destination, reject, defer, defer_if_permit or check_relay_domains[01:07:01] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@165.21.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has joined #postfix[01:07:03] <ThiefMaster> I do have `reject` at the end of the trusted_recipient_restrictions restriction class[01:09:20] <ThiefMaster> hm interesting, when adding ,reject in master.cf i get this error during an smtp session: "warning: unknown smtpd restriction: "trusted_recipient_restrictions""[01:16:35] *** Internat <Internat!~nf@220-244-86-243.tpgi.com.au> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:17:55] *** Internat <Internat!~nf@27-33-21-50.tpgi.com.au> has joined #postfix[01:18:34] <ThiefMaster> nevermind, just noticed that i had `-o smtpd_restriction_classes=` above[01:26:16] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@190.18.2.99> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:26:33] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@190.18.2.99> has joined #postfix[01:27:04] *** anexit_ <anexit_!~anexit@push.anexit.net> has joined #postfix[01:28:48] *** anexit <anexit!~anexit@push.anexit.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:29:30] *** Keitaro <Keitaro!trickster@gateway/shell/layerbnc/x-jrxrfcglhzxvdvrx> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[01:30:15] *** Keitaro <Keitaro!trickster@gateway/shell/layerbnc/x-kxfhpzqjuwstjksx> has joined #postfix[01:33:46] <Keitaro> hello[01:34:12] <Keitaro> hello all[01:34:46] <Keitaro> Can someone help me on my configuration of postfix plz ? i don't understand the error message of my log[01:34:48] <Keitaro> thx in advance[01:38:30] <ThiefMaster> !getting_help[01:38:30] <knoba> ThiefMaster: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[01:45:35] <Keitaro> !pastebin[01:45:35] <knoba> Keitaro: "pastebin" : a pastebin site lets you easily share logs and configuration. Examples are dpaste.org, fpaste.org, or pastebin.ca. Please avoid ad-supported sites such as pastebin.com if possible.[01:47:45] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@165.21.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:47:57] <Keitaro> !relevant_logs[01:47:57] <knoba> Keitaro: "relevant_logs" : mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility (mail); filter such messages out unless asked not to.[01:48:09] <Keitaro> !no_verbose[01:48:09] <knoba> Keitaro: "no_verbose" : do not show verbose logs unless someone asks you to. if someone does ask you to, see !verbose[01:49:57] <Keitaro> http://pastebin.com/1XnZk8Ey[01:50:27] <Keitaro> !showconfig[01:50:27] <knoba> Keitaro: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[01:50:34] <thumbs> I wonder why folks pick pastebin.com even if the factoid tells them not to[01:50:47] *** froz-gab <froz-gab!~froz-gab@host194-58-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:51:00] <thumbs> also, I wonder why they skip the "SINGLE pastebin" comment[01:51:22] <Keitaro> i jus use pastebin by default is it bad ?[01:52:07] <pj> !pastebin[01:52:07] <knoba> pj: "pastebin" : a pastebin site lets you easily share logs and configuration. Examples are dpaste.org, fpaste.org, or pastebin.ca. Please avoid ad-supported sites such as pastebin.com if possible.[01:52:24] <ThiefMaster> it's full of ads (or adblock whine) and annoying clutter[01:52:50] <Keitaro> ah true[01:52:55] <pj> as well as it's known to mangle the whitespace in content, even in raw mode.[01:53:08] <Keitaro> i didn't know i don't have a single ad on my webpage :/[01:53:09] <Keitaro> sorry[01:53:31] <pj> Keitaro: try disabling adblock on it.[01:54:01] <Keitaro> why disable adblock he is there to disable the ads ^^[01:54:23] <Keitaro> you don't have adblock on your browser ?[01:54:41] <pj> I do[01:54:43] <ThiefMaster> with adblock you get their whiny message about blocking ads[01:54:49] <ThiefMaster> also, the site looks awful with or without ads[01:55:07] <ThiefMaster> WTF, tried to use a unix socket to feed emails from amavis back into postfix. `sudo -u amavis socat - UNIX-CONNECT:/var/spool/postfix/public/amavis-return` works perfectly fine but amavis fails with "permission denied"[01:55:11] <pj> ThiefMaster: which I ignore. They complain that they will be driven out of business without ads and that's fine by me.[01:55:19] <Keitaro> i use ublock origin it is ok[01:55:22] <ThiefMaster> yeah, still annoying to read ;)[01:55:34] <thumbs> they are easily the worst paste site on the net, so they can disappear if you ask me[01:55:48] <pj> you can add a rule to adblock the whiny mesage.[01:55:53] <pj> *message[01:56:10] <thumbs> or you can just not visit their site.[01:56:16] <TechDesk> hi thumbs :)[01:57:16] <Keitaro> so do i need to repaste my post ?[01:57:33] <thumbs> Keitaro: you can keep it there for all I care. I just just wondering.[01:57:40] <thumbs> *was[01:57:59] <TechDesk> i am a russian drinker of vodka[01:58:00] <TechDesk> :>[01:58:15] <Keitaro> oki[01:58:30] <Keitaro> is it possible to know what is going wrong in my configuration ? ^^[01:58:48] <thumbs> Keitaro: did you provide the required information?[01:59:39] <Keitaro> !getting_help[01:59:39] <knoba> Keitaro: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[01:59:50] <Keitaro> !relevant_logs[01:59:51] <knoba> Keitaro: "relevant_logs" : mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility (mail); filter such messages out unless asked not to.[02:00:03] <Keitaro> !showconfig[02:00:03] <knoba> Keitaro: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[02:01:12] <patdk-lap> well, based on the pastebin above[02:01:24] <Keitaro> on fpaste is it possible to delate a paste when we want ?[02:01:26] <patdk-lap> delete line 11 and line 14[02:01:29] <patdk-lap> add smtpd_tls_security_level = may[02:01:32] <Keitaro> because i see just a timer[02:03:00] <Keitaro> oki[02:04:54] <Keitaro> now it said : warning: process /usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid 3141 exit status 1[02:10:20] <Keitaro> and when i send a email to postfix i got : https://paste.fedoraproject.org/556478/94819914/[02:11:14] <thumbs> Keitaro: well, you need to fix your sasl configuration first.[02:11:23] <thumbs> !tell Keitaro sasl[02:11:23] <knoba> Keitaro: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.[02:11:31] <thumbs> !tell Keitaro submission[02:11:31] <knoba> Keitaro: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[02:13:31] <Keitaro> thumbs, i need to use submission ?[02:13:58] <Keitaro> because i have 2 differents servers on my lan, one with postfix as MTA and MDA dovecot[02:14:11] <Keitaro> i use dovecot for my auth[02:15:03] <Keitaro> other things is it normal when i do a netstat that my system didn't listen of port 24 (LMTP) ?[02:19:24] *** yoavz <yoavz!~yoavz@white.blackit.io> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)[02:19:27] <thumbs> Keitaro: submission is the only sensible way to allow users to send emails[02:19:28] *** ovrstorm <ovrstorm!~ovrstorm@air.raid.io> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:19:28] *** tharkun <tharkun!~0@unaffiliated/tharkun> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:19:43] *** survietamine <survietamine!~vnvu@mxfr2-m1.mcra.iliadgroupe.fr> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[02:19:55] *** azwieg103 <azwieg103!~andrew@98.144.240.246> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[02:20:01] *** ovrstorm <ovrstorm!~ovrstorm@air.raid.io> has joined #postfix[02:20:08] *** 92AAAJXXX <92AAAJXXX!~quassel@187-163-219-201.static.axtel.net> has quit IRC (Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.)[02:20:48] <Keitaro> ah ?[02:20:53] *** survietamine <survietamine!~vnvu@mxfr2-m1.mcra.iliadgroupe.fr> has joined #postfix[02:20:54] *** azwieg103 <azwieg103!~andrew@98.144.240.246> has joined #postfix[02:21:21] *** KsChoice <KsChoice!~quassel@187-163-219-201.static.axtel.net> has joined #postfix[02:21:26] *** tharkun <tharkun!~0@187.190.62.81> has joined #postfix[02:22:00] <Keitaro> i thought we can send it with the the smtp port 465[02:22:16] <Keitaro> SMTP with ssl[02:22:21] <patdk-lap> !smtps[02:22:21] <knoba> patdk-lap: "smtps" : Port 465 is smtps, SMTP over SSL, a deprecated means of submission. This means that smtps should *not* be used, and that this factoid exists for historical purposes only and should not be implemented. See !submission for smtps' successor. That being said, Postfix can implement smtps with a separate smtpd(8) listener with \"-o smtpd_tls_wrappermode=yes\". See the commented example in master.cf.[02:23:39] <ThiefMaster> can i somehow setup a catchall for emails targetted at local users (e.g. root) and forward all these mails to someaddress@somedomain? i know i could do this by adding an alias for @$mydomain, but i'd prefer not to expose a catchall on a public domain - the last time i did it it attracted huge amounts of spam[02:23:59] <Keitaro> thx patdk-lap i didn't know that[02:24:20] *** yoavz <yoavz!~yoavz@white.blackit.io> has joined #postfix[02:25:02] <ThiefMaster> or should i simply add localhost to my domains, set $mydomain to localhost, and add the catchall there?[02:25:32] <patdk-lap> !tell thiefmaster alias[02:25:32] <knoba> thiefmaster: "alias" : see !alias_maps[02:25:39] <ThiefMaster> !alias_maps[02:25:39] <knoba> ThiefMaster: "alias_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The alias databases that are used for local(8) delivery. See aliases(5) for syntax details.[02:26:11] <ThiefMaster> they are used even if i don't do any local deliveries?[02:27:05] <patdk-lap> they are used if you assign your domain to mydestination[02:27:21] <patdk-lap> if not use virtualalias[02:29:06] <Keitaro> patdk-lap, so if i understand because my postfix didn't have sasl configure all the mail from outside are refused by the postfix servor ?[02:29:36] <patdk-lap> Keitaro, no idea where you get that from[02:30:37] <thumbs> warning: SASL: Connect to private/auth failed: No such file or directory - that means your SASL backend is simply broken, but it lead to the submission comment[02:31:24] <Keitaro> oki[02:32:07] <Keitaro> so the mail from outside goes to the dovecot server and are rejected by this one ?[02:32:20] <patdk-lap> do what?[02:32:29] <patdk-lap> it says there is no sasl[02:32:31] <Keitaro> sorry i am a little bit noob first time i try to config mail servers :/[02:32:32] <patdk-lap> why is there not?[02:32:41] <thumbs> Keitaro: the only emails that should use sasl are the ones from submission (587)[02:33:03] <thumbs> Keitaro: you should not enforce SASL for the others.[02:33:37] <Keitaro> i will read the wiki because at my school the teacher said that submission it is when the mua request the mta for sending a mail :x[02:33:48] <Keitaro> maybe i misunderstand[02:34:17] <Keitaro> without passing by the mda[02:36:08] <ThiefMaster> knoba: just to be completely sure: if i have e.g. `root: some@address` in the aliases file - this will never be applied for any emails received via SMTP to root at some dot domain?[02:37:45] <ThiefMaster> ah wait that's the bot, patdk-lap: ^[02:38:55] <patdk-lap> !local[02:38:55] <knoba> patdk-lap: "local" : The local(8) daemon processes delivery requests from the Postfix queue manager to deliver mail to local recipients, meaning users that exist in your /etc/passwd. This is done for domains listed in $mydestination. See !basic, http://www.postfix.org/local.8.html and http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_CLASS_README.html#local_domain_class[02:38:59] <patdk-lap> !mydestination[02:38:59] <knoba> patdk-lap: "mydestination" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that Postfix delivers via the $local_transport mail delivery transport. By default, mail is given to the Postfix local(8) delivery agent that looks up all recipients in /etc/passwd and /etc/aliases, or their equivalents. See http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#mydestination for more information.[02:39:09] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Quit: inabit. zz.)[02:42:18] <ThiefMaster> i don't want to add the domain to mydestination since i might also use it for regular emails (ie not emails to system users). (i don't do any local deliveries, only relaying to dovecot or other addresses)[02:44:25] *** metalcated <metalcated!~slider@pool-72-90-92-135.syrcny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #postfix[02:44:36] <Keitaro> patdk-lap, when i receive my mail from outside it is on port 25 ?[02:44:56] *** metalcated <metalcated!~slider@pool-72-90-92-135.syrcny.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[02:44:56] *** metalcated <metalcated!~slider@unaffiliated/metalcated> has joined #postfix[02:44:56] <Keitaro> only or also on port 465 ?[02:45:38] <ThiefMaster> you shouldn't use 465 at all. incoming mail (via MX records) always goes to 25[02:45:49] <ThiefMaster> and for users' email clients use 587[02:46:44] <Keitaro> so i should disable the port forwarding 465 and block it on my pfsense ?[02:47:45] <Keitaro> but if incoming goes to port 25 there is not encryption or sasl needed when we receive the mail no ?[02:47:59] <Keitaro> i understand that we need it for port 587 but 25 ?[02:50:35] <techriskno> it's optional[02:51:25] <ThiefMaster> a MTA can use STARTTLS when sending you emails and your server supports it[02:51:43] <ThiefMaster> just like a MUA can (should!) use STARTTLS when submitting emails[02:54:07] <Keitaro> oh i see[02:54:09] *** howitdo <howitdo!~howitdo@unaffiliated/howitdo> has joined #postfix[02:54:48] <Keitaro> so i don't receive my mail from google because my server didn't support sasl yet[02:55:40] <techriskno> nah, your smtpd process threw a fatal because it found nothing at the location it was configured to find sasl[02:57:00] <Keitaro> oki i will install and configure this one thanks for your help[02:57:18] <Keitaro> and sorry for my questions which can look stupid, i am still learning :/[02:58:28] <thumbs> Keitaro: did you follow a broken tutorial?[02:59:09] <Keitaro> last question is my configuration good about my lmtp ? because when i reload postfix and do a netstat i didn't find the port 24 listen[02:59:09] <techriskno> and intermta or mx delivery wont use sasl - so the fact its causing smtpd then master to fail suggests you've possibly enabled sasl too broadly[02:59:14] <Keitaro> yes maybe thumbs :([02:59:23] *** dargains <dargains!~dargains@179.179.164.238> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:59:32] <Keitaro> if you found a really good tutorial just give me a link plz ^^[02:59:48] <thumbs> !tell Keitaro tutorial[02:59:48] <knoba> Keitaro: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.[02:59:52] <Keitaro> i found many tutorial on the net but some are old other are not really complete :/[02:59:54] <rob0> smtpd_sasl_auth_enable should only be set on submission[02:59:59] <rob0> !sasl[02:59:59] <knoba> rob0: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.[03:00:02] *** dargains <dargains!~dargains@179.179.164.238> has joined #postfix[03:00:10] <rob0> !dovecot_sasl[03:00:10] <knoba> rob0: "dovecot_sasl" : See http://wiki2.dovecot.org/HowTo/PostfixAndDovecotSASL for instructions to configure Dovecot SASL for Postfix. See also: http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#server_dovecot[03:00:48] <Keitaro> oki thx[03:01:24] <Keitaro> and for the lmtp on postfix ? did my configuration is good ? or totally wrong ?[03:01:51] <thumbs> Keitaro: forget about tutorials[03:01:55] <Keitaro> because after i fix my sasl i think maybe i will still got a pb with lmtp config no ?[03:02:00] <Keitaro> ok^^[03:02:48] <Keitaro> for the lmtp i found this one http://wiki2.dovecot.org/HowTo/PostfixDovecotLMTP[03:03:11] <Keitaro> but the line virtual_transport = lmtp:unix:private/dovecot-lmtp[03:03:28] <Keitaro> it is only for dovecot and postfix on the same server ?[03:03:47] <thumbs> Keitaro: did you provide the other requested information?[03:03:48] <ThiefMaster> yes, otherwise you need a normal tcp/ip connection[03:03:49] <Keitaro> on some webpage i see people who said to enter the server ip[03:04:05] *** dargains <dargains!~dargains@179.179.164.238> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[03:04:41] <Keitaro> thumbs, i thought that my main.cf and log are only needed[03:04:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o rob0[03:04:49] *** rob0 changes topic to "The Postfix MTA ** now 20 years old! || Register with Nickserv to speak goo.gl/sRG7M || See !getting_help and provide a pastebin URL of !relevant_logs and !showconfig before asking questions / check your logs / know your unix basics || On using IRC: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc || Bot info: http://workaround.org/f=postfix || Channel log: http://echelog.com/logs/browse/postfi"[03:04:55] <rob0> grrr[03:05:05] <thumbs> !tell Keitaro getting_help[03:05:05] <knoba> Keitaro: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[03:05:23] <Keitaro> !showconfg[03:05:23] <knoba> Keitaro: Error: "showconfg" is not a valid command.[03:05:29] <Keitaro> !showconfig[03:05:29] <knoba> Keitaro: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[03:06:04] *** rob0 changes topic to "The Postfix MTA ** now 20 years old! || Register with Nickserv to speak goo.gl/sRG7M || See !getting_help and shoe a pastebin URL of !relevant_logs & !showconfig before asking questions / check your logs / know your unix basics || On using IRC: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc || Bot info: http://workaround.org/f=postfix || Channel log: http://echelog.com/logs/browse/postfix/"[03:06:15] <rob0> grrr[03:06:28] <thumbs> grrrrrr[03:06:40] *** rob0 changes topic to "The Postfix MTA ** now 20 years old! || Register with Nickserv to speak goo.gl/sRG7M || See !getting_help and show a pastebin URL of !relevant_logs & !showconfig before asking questions / check your logs / know your unix basics || On using IRC: http://workaround.org/getting-help-on-irc || Bot info: http://workaround.org/f=postfix || Channel log: http://echelog.com/logs/browse/postfix/"[03:07:56] <Keitaro> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/556612/51669148/[03:08:40] *** ChanServ sets mode: -o rob0[03:10:21] <techriskno> !pastebin[03:10:21] <knoba> techriskno: "pastebin" : a pastebin site lets you easily share logs and configuration. Examples are dpaste.org, fpaste.org, or pastebin.ca. Please avoid ad-supported sites such as pastebin.com if possible.[03:10:50] <thumbs> Keitaro: yikes![03:10:57] <rob0> !learn 20_years as The first Postfix code release was 1997-02-20, 20 years ago![03:11:18] <Keitaro> yikes ?[03:12:19] *** dargains <dargains!~dargains@179.179.164.238> has joined #postfix[03:25:54] <techriskno> theres a bit of over eagerness shal we say[03:25:56] <techriskno> !basic[03:25:56] <knoba> techriskno: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[03:28:27] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@190.18.2.99> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:28:43] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@190.18.2.99> has joined #postfix[03:30:37] <Keitaro> why eager ? ^^[03:30:45] <Keitaro> because of ldap ?[03:30:49] <Keitaro> i will read that[03:30:52] <techriskno> read through that and cross reference conf as you go.[03:31:05] <techriskno> weel i think you'll see[03:31:07] <techriskno> remember[03:31:21] <techriskno> encryption is good practice[03:31:40] <techriskno> advanced lookups and auth mechs are good utility[03:32:12] <techriskno> but can resulting in biting off more than the proverbial chew[03:34:52] <Keitaro> oki[03:37:43] *** joulez <joulez!~lucifurba@pdpc/supporter/active/joulez> has joined #postfix[03:49:00] *** joulez is now known as joules[03:51:30] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@190.18.2.99> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:51:46] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@190.18.2.99> has joined #postfix[03:56:00] *** KsChoice <KsChoice!~quassel@187-163-219-201.static.axtel.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[03:56:10] *** 59NAAGBNY <59NAAGBNY!~quassel@187-163-219-201.static.axtel.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[04:01:14] *** PDXPretorious <PDXPretorious!~eric@c-24-22-63-252.hsd1.or.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye!)[04:25:56] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[04:26:55] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[04:44:33] *** JPT <JPT!~jpt@classified.name> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[04:45:09] *** JPT <JPT!~jpt@classified.name> has joined #postfix[04:59:55] *** jgeboski <jgeboski!~jgeboski@unaffiliated/jgeboski> has joined #postfix[05:02:23] <jgeboski> !getting_help[05:02:23] <knoba> jgeboski: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[05:02:45] <jgeboski> !relevant_logs[05:02:45] <knoba> jgeboski: "relevant_logs" : mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility (mail); filter such messages out unless asked not to.[05:03:13] <jgeboski> !showconfig[05:03:13] <knoba> jgeboski: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[05:04:13] <jgeboski> !pastebin[05:04:13] <knoba> jgeboski: "pastebin" : a pastebin site lets you easily share logs and configuration. Examples are dpaste.org, fpaste.org, or pastebin.ca. Please avoid ad-supported sites such as pastebin.com if possible.[05:10:07] <jgeboski> I did a system upgrade (including postfix-3.1.3 -> postfix-3.1.4), which is yielding both v4 and v6 inet protocols to be "unsupported": https://pastebin.osuosl.org/45171/raw/ My config: https://pastebin.osuosl.org/45166/raw/ Any ideas?[05:13:39] <lunaphyte> what os and how did you upgrade?[05:13:44] *** dargains <dargains!~dargains@179.179.164.238> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[05:14:21] *** dargains <dargains!~dargains@179.179.164.238> has joined #postfix[05:18:19] <jgeboski> lunaphyte: gentoo[05:18:44] *** dargains <dargains!~dargains@179.179.164.238> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[05:18:57] <jgeboski> it's possible it's an dep that's causing this mess[05:20:39] <lunaphyte> what happens if you just remove inet_protocols from theconfig?[05:21:39] <jgeboski> same result[05:22:55] <lunaphyte> are you using multiple instances, and/or putting your configuration files someplace nonstandard?[05:23:04] <jgeboski> nope[05:23:16] <jgeboski> single instance, /etc/postfix[05:23:57] <lunaphyte> what does postconf config_directory say?[05:24:47] <jgeboski> > config_directory = /etc/postfix[05:28:27] *** murkx <murkx!~mur@unaffiliated/murkx> has joined #postfix[05:37:36] <jgeboski> found the issue[05:37:47] <jgeboski> it's a distro issue with systemd: https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo/commit/6d1bfd687106fcb4a75e0d225d77153f2b9c581d[05:38:02] <lunaphyte> i'm always happy to blame systemd[05:38:11] <jgeboski> :)[05:38:35] <thumbs> I'm happy I don't use systemd[05:40:22] <TechDesk> i am a russian drinker of vodka[06:00:39] *** zhb <zhb!~zhb@47.91.140.173> has joined #postfix[06:24:20] *** metalcated <metalcated!~slider@unaffiliated/metalcated> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[06:37:44] *** metalcated <metalcated!~slider@pool-72-90-92-135.syrcny.fios.verizon.net> has joined #postfix[06:44:34] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@p50995cae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[06:44:34] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@p50995cae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[06:44:34] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@unaffiliated/sarri> has joined #postfix[07:07:23] *** MACscr <MACscr!~MACscr@c-73-9-230-5.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[07:08:09] *** MACscr <MACscr!~MACscr@c-73-9-230-5.hsd1.il.comcast.net> has joined #postfix[07:09:48] *** muh2000_ <muh2000_!~quassel@prx2.ernw.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[07:10:37] *** Dominian <Dominian!~dominian@opensuse/member/dominian> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[07:22:30] *** Dominian <Dominian!~dominian@opensuse/member/dominian> has joined #postfix[07:48:12] *** muh2000_ <muh2000_!~quassel@prx1.ernw.net> has joined #postfix[08:15:58] *** TAARs <TAARs!~user@unaffiliated/taars> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[08:24:48] *** TAARs <TAARs!~user@unaffiliated/taars> has joined #postfix[08:43:28] *** zokum_ <zokum_!~zokum@188.51-174-52.customer.lyse.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:45:31] *** spenq <spenq!~spenq@dsl-087-195-149-183.solcon.nl> has joined #postfix[08:51:02] *** Motoko <Motoko!~maoyama@simplemachines/serverteam/Motoko> has quit IRC (Quit: Sleep)[08:54:38] *** pj <pj!~pj@centos/ops/pj> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[09:01:14] *** pj <pj!~pj@centos/ops/pj> has joined #postfix[09:07:54] *** thms <thms!~thms@unaffiliated/thms> has joined #postfix[09:11:01] *** zorg1 <zorg1!~zorg1@LNeuilly-656-1-74-35.w92-154.abo.wanadoo.fr> has joined #postfix[09:16:42] *** spenq_ <spenq_!~spenq@46.243.30.208> has joined #postfix[09:20:29] *** spenq <spenq!~spenq@dsl-087-195-149-183.solcon.nl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[09:38:22] *** spenq_ <spenq_!~spenq@46.243.30.208> has left #postfix[09:38:29] *** spenq_ <spenq_!~spenq@46.243.30.208> has joined #postfix[09:39:10] *** spenq_ <spenq_!~spenq@46.243.30.208> has left #postfix[09:41:43] *** spenq <spenq!~spenq@46.243.30.208> has joined #postfix[09:43:10] *** spenq is now known as help[09:43:13] *** help is now known as spenq[09:47:22] <spenq> Is there any way to keep bcc addresses filled in? Postfix should receive them right? I want to see all bcc addresses within my domain.[09:47:38] <spenq> http://stackoverflow.com/q/42157647/1694130[09:47:42] <spenq> It's about that[09:50:26] <spenq> !welcome[09:50:26] <knoba> spenq: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. 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<zhb!~zhb@47.91.140.173> has joined #postfix[12:51:08] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@201.22.86.124.static.gvt.net.br> has joined #postfix[12:51:29] *** caitnop <caitnop!~py@ool-1826eaa1.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #postfix[12:58:17] *** zhb <zhb!~zhb@47.91.140.173> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:04:12] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@165.21.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has joined #postfix[13:08:57] <patdk-lap> spenq your confused[13:09:05] <patdk-lap> bcc doesn't exist[13:09:17] <patdk-lap> you cannot read it, cause it is not there[13:09:22] <patdk-lap> !bbc[13:09:22] <knoba> patdk-lap: Error: "bbc" is not a valid command.[13:09:26] <patdk-lap> !bcc[13:09:26] <knoba> patdk-lap: Error: "bcc" is not a valid command.[13:09:28] <patdk-lap> heh[13:09:38] <patdk-lap> !envelope_to[13:09:38] <knoba> patdk-lap: Error: "envelope_to" is not a valid command.[13:09:44] <patdk-lap> bot really isn't liking me[13:25:40] *** renan_ <renan_!d5d0efb2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.208.239.178> has joined #postfix[13:26:23] <rob0> maybe we need a factoids to say headers don't control routing[13:26:39] <rob0> !factoids search header[13:26:39] <knoba> rob0: 'header_address_token_limit', 'header_checks', 'header_size_limit', 'mime_header_checks', 'nested_header_checks', 'prepend_delivered_header', 'strict_7bit_headers', 'undisclosed_recipients_header', 'smtpd_sasl_authenticated_header', and 'smtpd_tls_received_header'[13:26:55] <rob0> !factoids search envelope[13:26:55] <knoba> rob0: 'smtp_quote_rfc821_envelope' and 'strict_rfc821_envelopes'[13:27:15] <rob0> !factoids search sender[13:27:15] <knoba> rob0: 'address_verify_sender', 'double_bounce_sender', 'sender_based_routing', 'sender_bcc_maps', 'sender_canonical_maps', 'smtpd_sender_login_maps', 'unverified_sender_reject_code', 'check_sender_access', 'smtpd_sender_restrictions', 'SenderID', 'sender_access', 'sender_dependent_relayhost_maps', 'reject_sender_login_mismatch', 'smtp_sender_dependent_authentication', 'sender_dependent_default_transport_maps', 'reject_unknown_sender_d[13:27:19] *** metalcated <metalcated!~slider@pool-72-90-92-135.syrcny.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[13:27:19] *** metalcated <metalcated!~slider@unaffiliated/metalcated> has joined #postfix[13:29:56] *** renan_ <renan_!d5d0efb2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.208.239.178> has quit IRC (Changing host)[13:29:56] *** renan_ <renan_!d5d0efb2@unaffiliated/renan-saddam/x-0025987> has joined #postfix[13:29:56] *** renan_ <renan_!d5d0efb2@unaffiliated/renan-saddam/x-0025987> has quit IRC (Changing host)[13:29:56] *** renan_ <renan_!d5d0efb2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.213.208.239.178> has joined #postfix[13:29:57] *** zhb <zhb!~zhb@47.91.140.173> has joined #postfix[13:30:07] <renan_> In my setup I am trying to have two relay configurations, and use one relay or the other depending on the sender domain. This seems easy as long as the SMTP server is also different. Would be possible to use the same HOST but different username/password for each relay?[13:30:39] <rob0> yes,[13:31:02] <rob0> !smtp_sasl_password_maps[13:31:02] <knoba> rob0: "smtp_sasl_password_maps" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: Optional SMTP client lookup tables with one username:password entry per remote hostname or domain. If a remote host or domain has no username:password entry, then the Postfix SMTP client will not attempt to authenticate to the remote host.[13:33:12] <renan_> rob0: There's the thing preventing me now: "with one username:password per remote hostname or domain"[13:34:50] <renan_> To expand on. I am using a third-party service for SMTP. It is the same hostname (smtp.foo.bar) but with different username:password. Based on the sender domain I would like to use a different set of username:password[13:37:50] <rob0> look it up, postconf.5.html#smtp_sasl_password_maps , it is a listing by address[13:38:06] <rob0> don't take my word for it, consult the documentation[13:38:32] <rob0> I think an example is in the client SASL part of SASL_README[13:38:37] <rob0> !saslclient[13:38:37] <knoba> rob0: "saslclient" : See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl when you need client-side SASL authentication to deliver mail to another server[13:39:33] <renan_> let me read through that, thank you so far[13:49:23] *** zhb <zhb!~zhb@47.91.140.173> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[13:49:49] *** zhb <zhb!~zhb@47.91.140.173> has joined #postfix[13:54:35] *** ChatSharp <ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru> has joined #postfix[13:57:40] *** ChatSharp <ChatSharp!~ChatSharp@stc.66.70.188.95.dsl.krasnet.ru> has left #postfix[14:00:04] <spenq> for example I send an email: TO: 1 at test dot com; CC: 2 at test dot com; BCC: 3 at test dot com; 1 and 2 are readable, but 3 is not, but I need to read the 3 from the email. It has to be somewhere. In my case 3 is a hash which I can lookup to forward the email to the real email address...[14:01:21] <spenq> Amazon does this also, it's about email masking.[14:01:40] <spenq> bcc: hash at amazmon dot com gets also forwarded, but how?[14:05:05] *** Section1 <Section1!~section1@190.195.46.97> has joined #postfix[14:07:05] <rob0> what are you asking?[14:07:31] <rob0> Headers have nothing to do with mail routing.[14:07:54] <rob0> but, see "man sendmail"[14:08:43] <rob0> look for -t[14:10:48] <spenq> http://stackoverflow.com/q/42157647/1694130[14:11:33] <spenq> I need to forward emails based on a hash. This all works well for To and CC addresses, because I can read them from the headers. But how can I forward BCC'd addresses[14:12:11] <thumbs> also, referencing stackoverflow? Tsk tsk.[14:14:15] <rob0> well, I don't quite imagine the actual use case, but perhaps virtual_alias_maps is the answer, until you discover that forwarding mail outside services you control is broken.[14:14:22] <rob0> !mantras[14:14:22] <knoba> rob0: "mantras" : 1. do not accept mail that you do not intend to deliver. 2. do not drop mail. 3. do not use wildcards or catchalls. 4. do not forward mail to outside/third party systems[14:16:39] <natan64> ehlo localhost[14:20:41] <spenq> The usecase is email masking. I've got 2,5 million mail addresses from customers that need to be protected. So I encrypted them and people can now mail to the hashed version of their email address @mydomain.com. I've got a script running that checks the headers and forwards the mail to the real addresses. But ofcourse I can't read the bcc'd addresses... So I'm looking for a solution here. It should be possi[14:20:47] <spenq> ble to see the bcc headers somewhere, because the MTA can put the email in the right inbox. Amazon also provides those emails (fdsafd5423grwg at marketplace dot amazon.tld), and can forward them if they're bcc'ed.[14:21:30] <rob0> you still don't understand the SMTP envelope[14:21:57] <rob0> Headers have nothing to do with mail routing. (I already said that once.)[14:23:00] <rob0> MAIL FROM in SMTP specifies the sender; RCPT TO specifies one recipient (and can be repeated for multiple recipients.)[14:23:17] * cpm has nothing to do with rob0[14:23:47] <rob0> !vice_versa[14:23:47] <knoba> rob0: "vice_versa" : adv : with the order reversed; on the contrary; on opposite sides. eg: 'rob0 loathes cpm and vice-versa'[14:23:55] <cpm> :)[14:24:18] <rob0> we haven't seen vice_versa in ages[14:24:31] <rob0> !seen vice_versa[14:24:31] <knoba> rob0: I have not seen vice_versa.[14:24:45] <rob0> !seen thumbs[14:24:45] <knoba> rob0: thumbs was last seen in #postfix 12 minutes and 33 seconds ago: <thumbs> also, referencing stackoverflow? 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script?[19:16:05] <doug> something that'll give users a periodic synopsis of their spam traffic[19:26:12] <rob0> that question might be a better fit in #your-imapd-here channel[19:34:27] *** j7k6 <j7k6!~j7k6@unaffiliated/j7k6> has joined #postfix[19:37:05] *** j7k6_ <j7k6_!~j7k6@178.162.211.217> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[19:45:29] <cpm> rob0 fits better in #your-, , oh to heck with it.[19:45:30] <cpm> :)[20:09:58] *** j7k6 <j7k6!~j7k6@unaffiliated/j7k6> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[20:18:54] *** zokum_ <zokum_!~zokum@188.51-174-52.customer.lyse.net> has joined #postfix[20:20:11] *** zokum <zokum!~zokum@188.51-174-52.customer.lyse.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[20:26:53] <ThiefMaster> are MTAs supposed to lookup MX records on each delivery attempt?[20:27:16] <ThiefMaster> ie if i shutdown my old server, move stuff to the new one, and then update the MX records, will other MTAs try delivering it to the old one or will they pickup the updates MX records?[20:27:30] <ThiefMaster> *updated[20:27:32] <doug> you might be affected by the TTL on the MX record[20:27:40] *** thms <thms!~thms@unaffiliated/thms> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:28:02] <ThiefMaster> it's low enough to not be a big issue - i have ~1h ttls on almost all of my domains[20:28:09] <doug> pretty sure that'll control the (effective) lookup interval[20:28:23] <ThiefMaster> if mails arrive a few hours late i don't mind[20:42:03] *** gk-1wm-su <gk-1wm-su!~eragaerhe@2a03:4a80:5:43b:43b:51e8:1758:9433> has joined #postfix[20:42:25] *** gk-1wm-su <gk-1wm-su!~eragaerhe@2a03:4a80:5:43b:43b:51e8:1758:9433> has quit IRC (K-Lined)[20:44:44] *** j7k6 <j7k6!~j7k6@unaffiliated/j7k6> has joined #postfix[20:59:11] *** Section1 <Section1!~section1@190.195.46.97> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[21:04:38] *** j7k6_ <j7k6_!~j7k6@62.112.80.25> has joined #postfix[21:09:22] *** j7k6_ <j7k6_!~j7k6@62.112.80.25> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[21:19:20] *** Darcidride 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I'm not aware of any particular MTA that caches the MX records but I have heard that some DNS resolvers will ignore the TTL.[21:41:30] <lunaphyte> ttls are supposed to be high, not low[21:51:04] <ThiefMaster> i know, but my sites are low-traffic enough that i don't have a problem with the higher load it puts on my dns servers[21:57:19] *** armguy <armguy!~adminempi@unaffiliated/adminempire-jl> has quit IRC (Quit: armguy)[21:58:06] *** doug <doug!~doug@toma.horph.com> has left #postfix[21:59:05] *** Motoko <Motoko!~maoyama@simplemachines/serverteam/Motoko> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[21:59:59] *** Motoko <Motoko!~maoyama@simplemachines/serverteam/Motoko> has joined #postfix[22:04:19] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@201.22.86.124.static.gvt.net.br> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[22:14:02] <patdk-wk> several of them ignore ttl's that are too low and just default them to an hour or a day[22:14:37] <patdk-wk> ah, 1hour[22:14:57] <patdk-wk> I have not seen a difference in dns lookups on my servers, between using a 1day ttl, and 1hour ttl[22:19:12] *** armguy <armguy!~adminempi@unaffiliated/adminempire-jl> has joined #postfix[22:21:27] *** Death_rattle <Death_rattle!~death@p5DCED408.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:22:22] <lunaphyte> it also puts a higher load on OTHER people's dns servers...[22:23:27] *** TRUNASUCI <TRUNASUCI!~trunasuci@175.141.37.156> has joined #postfix[22:23:31] *** ThiefMaster <ThiefMaster!thief@unaffiliated/thiefmaster> has quit IRC (Quit: meow.)[22:24:39] *** TRUNASUCI <TRUNASUCI!~trunasuci@175.141.37.156> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[22:27:37] <patdk-wk> the result of the higher load on other peoples would have been noticed by mine[22:28:23] <patdk-wk> and compared to dnssec, heh, it's no load at all :)[22:43:08] *** j7k6 <j7k6!~j7k6@unaffiliated/j7k6> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:43:34] *** j7k6 <j7k6!~j7k6@unaffiliated/j7k6> has joined #postfix[22:53:10] *** Xentil <Xentil!~quassel@ip-46-21-210-22.nette.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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