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<ThiefMaster> hi, i'm trying to setup some virtual aliases and mailboxes and have a weird problem when playing around: if i try to send an email to an address whose mailbox doesn't exist i get an error (as expected) but when sending the email to an alias pointing to the same invalid address i get an OK. here is the detailed output and my config files: https://gist.github.com/ThiefMaster/0eca0ac54f88c872e0
[01:53:20] <ThiefMaster> f422e1e273baf9
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[03:17:51] <lunaphyte> !tell ThiefMaster getting_help
[03:17:51] <knoba> ThiefMaster: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin
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[07:04:11] <pj> ThiefMaster: that is correct, an alias will cause postfix to accept a message regardless of whether the target is valid or not.
[07:04:32] <pj> the answer is, don't configure aliases that point to invalid targets.
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[09:35:43] <ThiefMaster> pj: ok thanks, but what if i want to alias a whole domain? e.g. i want to consider @foo.com to be handled exactly like @bar.com? so far i've seen most people add an ` at foo dot com -> @bar.com` alias. but of course x at foo dot com might be actually invalid since there's no x at Bar dot com.
[09:36:19] <ThiefMaster> or should I rather do such an alias on the DB level so a query for the foo.com domain simply returns the same aliases as one for bar.com? (i'm actually doing that in my old exim-based setup)
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[09:36:40] <ThiefMaster> !showconfig
[09:36:40] <knoba> ThiefMaster: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old
[09:36:42] <ThiefMaster> !relevant_logs
[09:36:42] <knoba> ThiefMaster: "relevant_logs" : mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility (mail); filter such messages out unless asked not to.
[09:37:57] <ThiefMaster> !no_verbose
[09:37:57] <knoba> ThiefMaster: "no_verbose" : do not show verbose logs unless someone asks you to. if someone does ask you to, see !verbose
[09:38:12] <ThiefMaster> !verbose
[09:38:12] <knoba> ThiefMaster: "verbose" : You probably do not need verbose logging, but in very rare cases, the extra detail might assist in debugging. To set verbose logging, add a -v after the command name (such as smtpd) in master.cf, then 'postfix reload' after that
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[09:47:00] <finster> hello there. using postfix 2.11.3 (debian jessie) is it somehow possible to apply canonical maps *after* messages have already been queued? i would like to get rid of some messages in the queue. for future mails the canonical setup will be okay
[09:47:49] <finster> !showconfig
[09:47:49] <knoba> finster: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old
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[10:02:02] <finster> reading the man pages i suppose i just need to somehow make postfix feed the messages to cleanup(8) again, right?
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[10:55:41] <pj> ThiefMaster: the only way to properly alias a whole domain is to find a way that will alias the individual addresses that are valid for the target domain. This is possible, for example, with a specially crafted SQL query. aliasing @example.com to @example.net has issues as you've already discovered.
[10:56:46] <pj> finster: did you try requeuing them?
[10:56:50] <pj> !postsuper
[10:56:50] <knoba> pj: "postsuper" : the queue supervision tool for postfix. Use it with the option "-d" to remove mails from the queue. See 'man postsuper' for more information.
[10:59:02] <pj> finster: look at the -r (requeue) option for postsuper ^^^^^^
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[10:59:50] <finster> pj: yup, did that just a couple of seconds ago. looks good!
[11:00:08] <pj> finster: glad it worked for you :-)
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[11:14:02] <ThiefMaster> pj: ok, so i guess i'll stay with the database-level aliasing. and it also means that what tools like vimbadmin, postfixadmin, etc do is wrong (they usually suggest aliasing @foo.com to @bar.com)
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[11:36:12] <ThiefMaster> is there any advantage in using virtual_alias_domains instead of just leaving it at its default of using virtual_mailbox_domains?
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[12:57:35] <pj> ThiefMaster: as I said aliasing domains can be done, but not with a simple @example.com -> @example.net. postfixadmin is designed to work with an SQL database so you are likely meant to do it that way.
[12:58:36] <pj> as for your other question...
[12:58:40] <ThiefMaster> what i meant is that these tools (vimbadmin for sure) actually suggest adding an alias @foo -> @bar and do not have anything related to domain aliases in their schema but simply pass the @foo -> @bar to postfix
[12:58:47] <pj> !tell ThiefMaster address_classes
[12:59:23] <pj> ThiefMaster: I've used postfixadmin and don't alias the domains that way.
[12:59:27] <pj> anyways, I have to go.
[12:59:32] <ThiefMaster> hmm maybe i was looking at an old version
[13:00:08] <ThiefMaster> but good to know, i'll check their schema and configs to get some ideas before doing everything myself
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[13:05:48] <pj> ThiefMaster: I use the postfixadmin schema with postgresql and this query for virtual_alias_maps: query = (SELECT goto FROM alias WHERE address='%s' AND active) UNION (SELECT goto FROM (SELECT '%u@' || target_domain goto FROM alias_domain WHERE alias_domain = '%d' AND active) AS a WHERE (goto IN (SELECT username FROM mailbox WHERE active) OR goto IN (SELECT address FROM alias WHERE active)))
[13:06:21] <pj> anyways, I have to go.
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[19:04:06] * tharkun wants lolypop
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[23:22:44] <ThiefMaster> is there any way to pass extra data retrieved from a SQL lookup to my virtual_transport? for example, when i have foo.com aliased to bar.com i'd like to pass something at bar dot com (since that's the name of the actual mailbox) to dovecot-lda even if the email was received as something at foo dot com
[23:23:11] <ThiefMaster> or should i rather do this inside dovecot (should be pretty straightforward in the dovecot userdb lookup)
[23:23:53] <lunaphyte> what extra data?
[23:24:20] <lunaphyte> if you are using dovecot as your lda, then i'd suggest just using the relay address class
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[23:28:42] <ThiefMaster> the domain name the mailbox belongs to (i have a view in my sql DB that replicates all the aliases i have added to bar.com for foo.com if it's an domain alias to bar.com). so foo at bar dot com and foo at foo dot com would both be passed to dovecot as foo at bar dot com
[23:29:06] <ThiefMaster> wait, the relay address class? isn't the virtual mailbox domain class the right thing to use for addresses that go to the lda?
[23:29:38] <lunaphyte> it's the right address class for addresses that go to virtual(8)
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[23:30:27] <lunaphyte> hence the term "virtual" ;)
[23:31:39] <lunaphyte> when relaying mail to other systems [like dovecot, for example], then, naturally, the relay address clas fits
[23:31:43] <lunaphyte> *class
[23:31:54] <ThiefMaster> ok, now i'm confused.. everything i've seen so far uses virtual_mailbox_maps for mails to be delivered to a virtual user's mailbox
[23:32:49] <lunaphyte> when virtual(8) is used, that makes sense
[23:38:26] <ThiefMaster> and using dovecot as my relay_transport won't screw with "normal" relaying? i.e. a user authenticating with SMTP AUTH and sending an email to some other address my server doesn't handle?
[23:39:55] <lunaphyte> relay_transport isn't for "normal"
[23:40:02] <lunaphyte> it's only for the relay address class
[23:40:13] <lunaphyte> e.g. destinations listed in relay_domains
[23:41:19] <ThiefMaster> ok, so there's no *technical* difference between using virtual and relay as long as the *_transport is set correctly?
[23:44:02] <lunaphyte> just that virtual doesn't really make much sense
[23:44:46] <ThiefMaster> ok
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