February 6, 2017 
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(Client Quit)[10:59:04] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[10:59:23] *** gillesM <gillesM!~Gilles@mar75-5-82-235-31-65.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #postfix[11:00:21] *** markus_e92 <markus_e92!~markus_e9@91-115-158-40.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[11:00:24] <gillesM> !showconfig[11:00:24] <knoba> gillesM: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[11:01:09] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[11:11:58] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@132.52.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has joined #postfix[11:18:37] *** Dominian <Dominian!~dominian@opensuse/member/dominian> has joined #postfix[11:22:02] *** kingkong|Q <kingkong|Q!antalya@chatq.net> has joined #postfix[11:22:07] *** leprechau 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<gillesM!~Gilles@mar75-5-82-235-31-65.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[12:29:58] *** max-m <max-m!~max-m@xqk7.com> has joined #postfix[12:32:33] *** TimWolla <TimWolla!~timwolla@xqk7.com> has joined #postfix[12:36:11] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@190.18.11.91> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:36:33] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@190.18.11.91> has joined #postfix[12:47:15] *** mactimes_ is now known as mactimes[12:49:10] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[12:53:46] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[13:01:08] *** armguy <armguy!~adminempi@unaffiliated/adminempire-jl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:10:20] *** Genk1 <Genk1!~amine@197.230.53.126> has joined #postfix[13:10:34] <Genk1> Hello all[13:10:53] <Genk1> What is the best way for putting Postfix in HA environnement ?[13:11:28] <Genk1> I have told that Setting Up Postfix As A Backup MX is sufficient[13:12:31] <Genk1> I want to also replicate Dovecot wich is running on the same server[13:12:50] *** yosafbridge <yosafbridge!~yosafbrid@68.ip-149-56-14.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[13:15:39] *** hipodilski <hipodilski!~hipo@pc-freak.net> has joined #postfix[13:17:14] *** yosafbridge <yosafbridge!~yosafbrid@68.ip-149-56-14.net> has joined #postfix[13:27:34] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@201.22.86.124.static.gvt.net.br> has joined #postfix[13:29:44] *** bala_ <bala_!~bala@180.151.103.218> has joined #postfix[13:31:44] <survietamine> if you have told that, it should be true :p[13:33:26] *** bala__ <bala__!b49767da@gateway/web/freenode/ip.180.151.103.218> has joined #postfix[13:40:29] *** bala__ <bala__!b49767da@gateway/web/freenode/ip.180.151.103.218> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[13:40:34] *** bala_ <bala_!~bala@180.151.103.218> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[13:44:44] <thms> Hi everyone.[13:45:51] <thms> Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname[13:46:24] <patdk-lap> was there a question in there?[13:46:28] <patdk-lap> !tell thms welcome[13:46:28] <knoba> thms: "welcome" : Welcome to #postfix! If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![13:47:16] <thms> Yes sorry I was writing[13:48:06] <thms> I am getting the above error message, I've tried grep'ing for helo in /etc/postfix but there is no trace of smtpd_helo_restrictions[13:49:37] <thms> I am able to send mail from the server using ssh/sendmail command, and I see in the logs other users are sending mails.[13:50:40] <patdk-lap> thms, thanks for ignoring all the instructions given to you[13:50:59] <patdk-lap> your comments in no way help us to solve your issue[13:51:03] <rob0> A restriction of HELO can go in any stage, not just in smtpd_helo_restrictions[13:51:29] <rob0> you're making an incorrect assumption[13:51:43] <thms> patdk-lap, sorry ?[13:51:44] <thms> !showconfig[13:51:44] <knoba> thms: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[13:52:11] <thms> both postconf -nf and postconf -Mf fail.[13:52:16] <thms> very old postfix.[13:52:34] <patdk-lap> "if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old"[13:52:59] <thms> !showconfig_old[13:52:59] <knoba> thms: "showconfig_old" : for versions of postfix < 2.9, pastebin postconf -n and the contents of master.cf with comments removed[13:53:24] <rob0> also describe the issue[13:53:37] <patdk-lap> logs are good too[13:53:53] <patdk-lap> who is submitting this email?[13:54:01] *** armguy <armguy!~adminempi@unaffiliated/adminempire-jl> has joined #postfix[13:54:04] <patdk-lap> a user? another mail server? ...[13:54:15] <rob0> who/what is using a non-FQDN HELO? It's almost always a safe spam sign, easy to block.[13:54:36] <thms> http://pastebin.com/MKPSvMh1 master.cf + postconf -n[13:54:46] <rob0> (unless it's a user, in which case, see !submission)[13:55:00] <patdk-lap> reject_invalid_hostname, reject_non_fqdn_hostname[13:55:37] <patdk-lap> personally, I wouldn't remove those at all[13:56:04] <thms> Shouldnt the permit_sasl_authentificated make those ignored for auth'ed users ?[13:56:28] <patdk-lap> it would, but permit_sasl_authenticated shouldn't even be there at all[13:56:33] <patdk-lap> !submission[13:56:33] <knoba> patdk-lap: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[13:58:49] <thms> Mh, I don't really get it but I'll just remove those two options..[13:59:05] <patdk-lap> why?[13:59:25] <thms> because I want it to work for this particular user ?[13:59:27] <patdk-lap> well, I guess it's your spam you get to handle., not me[13:59:38] <patdk-lap> the user is *logging in*?[13:59:42] <patdk-lap> cause I seriously doubt it[14:00:05] <thms> Let me check this out :)[14:00:10] <patdk-lap> so instead you want to open up your mailserver to the world, and accept all kinds of crap, just so this one user doesn't have to configure their email program correctly?[14:00:32] <patdk-lap> also, again[14:00:33] <patdk-lap> !submission[14:00:34] <knoba> patdk-lap: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[14:01:12] *** bala_ <bala_!~bala@123.201.24.76> has joined #postfix[14:03:20] <Genk1> patdk-lap, you're right about Devecot replication, but what's about postfix queued messages ?[14:03:40] <rob0> The problem won't go away with removal of the HELO restrictions, because permit_sasl_authenticated already precedes them.[14:03:42] <Genk1> patdk-lap, we need replication for both system : postfix and devecot[14:04:07] <thms> patdk-lap, you're very right, I am checking this ussie.[14:04:23] <rob0> Genk1, why replicate Postfix?[14:05:09] <Genk1> rob0, Because as I said I need to setup an HA mail server environement[14:06:57] <Genk1> rob0, If the master MTA/MDA is down the secondary mail server must take control[14:07:34] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[14:07:43] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[14:08:52] <rob0> that's not as simple as you think[14:11:11] *** kjsaihs <kjsaihs!~kjsaihs@46.233.43.155> has joined #postfix[14:20:12] *** daynaskully <daynaskully!~dskull@unaffiliated/daynaskully> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[14:22:22] *** kjsaihs <kjsaihs!~kjsaihs@46.233.43.155> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:24:53] *** daynaskully <daynaskully!~dskull@unaffiliated/daynaskully> has joined #postfix[14:28:27] *** bala_ <bala_!~bala@123.201.24.76> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[14:38:40] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@201.22.86.124.static.gvt.net.br> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[14:38:59] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@201.22.86.124.static.gvt.net.br> has joined #postfix[14:41:59] <Genk1> rob0, RE, I know but is there any starting point ?[14:43:23] <survietamine> hehe, I guess your boss is asking you the same as mine is asking me[14:43:53] <survietamine> « I want all our services from datacenter1 be replicated in datacenter2, tell me what are your plans! »[14:44:32] <survietamine> « I spent money for 10 GB links, just do your *sq?!sf job[14:49:10] <Genk1> survietamine, same old everywhere[14:49:55] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[14:51:02] <survietamine> old?[14:54:22] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[14:55:01] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@208.167.254.86> has joined #postfix[14:57:00] <patdk-wk> Genk1, it's simple[14:57:11] <patdk-wk> if you don't want 1 single email to ever possibly be lost[14:57:23] <patdk-wk> the cost of doing that in an HA is much more than other solutions[14:57:41] <patdk-wk> you will need to do realtime cross datacenter server level replication[14:57:57] <patdk-wk> maybe even memory replication[14:58:14] <patdk-wk> and this asumes the server doesn't corrupt itself, or an admin does something stupid[14:58:26] <Genk1> patdk-lap, wow memory replication :S you mean something like drbd ?[14:58:34] <patdk-wk> first you have to find out what is needed, and what they are willing to pay[14:58:42] <patdk-wk> going up one additional 9 costs a crapload[14:58:51] <patdk-wk> drbd has nothing to do with memory, only disks[14:59:44] <Genk1> patdk-lap, so your solution is even more costly then[15:00:12] <patdk-wk> if you NEVER ever want a single email to go missing for any reason[15:00:14] <rob0> there's no cheap way to truly accomplish HA mail[15:00:28] <patdk-wk> normally, it's acceptable to just have the email be delayed for a day, while the *broken* server is repaired[15:00:38] <patdk-wk> in that case, sure, why put postfix into HA?[15:00:44] <patdk-wk> it's not needed[15:01:28] <rob0> down time can be minimized with virtualization and frequent snapshots[15:02:15] <rob0> so if you have a hardware failure on server A, you grab your last snapshot and start that up on server C[15:02:54] *** troulouliou_div2 <troulouliou_div2!~troulouli@unaffiliated/troulouliou-div2/x-0271439> has joined #postfix[15:03:11] <rob0> but there too, you could have queued messages since the snapshot, and you could have some duplicated sends[15:03:21] <Genk1> I see now, so no need for HA mail server[15:03:36] <patdk-wk> what is a mail server?[15:03:53] <patdk-wk> for HA postfix, generally not, if your willing to accept a few emails to be lost in a totally down, corrupted case[15:04:07] <patdk-wk> if you mean for the mailbox storage, yes, you need HA there of some kind[15:04:27] <patdk-wk> dovecot dync, gfs, glusterfs, .... or whatever you want to use and design, maybe drbd[15:04:47] <patdk-wk> I just like dovecot dsync best, cause it will survive a corrupted harddrive on a system, cause they are independant[15:05:00] <rob0> what I'd do for a mailstore is a HA network storage which could be accessed by multiple imapd[15:05:21] <Genk1> patdk-wk, OK so in summary, there is no need for an HA MTA (postfix) simply using virtualization solutions is enough[15:05:37] <rob0> strictly speaking, though, that gets you a SPOF at the network storage server[15:05:56] <patdk-wk> Genk1, generally, for most people yes[15:05:57] <Genk1> but for the MDA (devecot) it should be necessary to mount an HA infrastrucure[15:06:09] <patdk-wk> if you are in the mail business, or depend on it for some oddly legal way, heh[15:06:25] <rob0> read up on Dovecot's director feature[15:06:39] <Genk1> patdk-wk, you're somehow right[15:06:45] <rob0> expect to spend some time on this, it will not be trivial[15:06:58] <Genk1> patdk-wk, mailing is a huge part of the business here[15:07:11] <patdk-wk> it is of most businesses these days[15:07:28] <patdk-wk> but does 0% loss per year matter that much?[15:07:36] <patdk-wk> or can a resend be acceptable[15:07:51] <Genk1> patdk-wk, almost everything is based on emaling, buying/selling can only be done by emails[15:08:53] <rob0> You might then want to outsource to an ESP[15:09:46] <Genk1> rob0, for some reasons the direction board will not allow that[15:10:02] *** cpm <cpm!~Chip@71.58.89.172> has joined #postfix[15:10:02] *** cpm <cpm!~Chip@71.58.89.172> has quit IRC (Changing host)[15:10:02] *** cpm <cpm!~Chip@pdpc/supporter/active/cpm> has joined #postfix[15:10:07] <rob0> it would be cheaper than HA[15:10:31] <rob0> !tell cpm cpm[15:10:31] <knoba> cpm: "cpm" : (#1) an operating system originally created for Intel 8080/85 based microcomputers, or (#2) creepmeister[15:10:40] <thumbs> !tell rob0 rob0[15:10:40] <knoba> rob0: "rob0" : a pathetic bot that reacts to newly joined users with reciting the !basic and !standard factoids[15:10:49] * cpm isn't creepy[15:11:10] <rob0> but you have been MIA a long time![15:11:30] <cpm> ya[15:11:51] <cpm> not around much these days, I use a phone, I like apps, I like facebook! I am a luzer now! :)[15:12:18] * patdk-wk has been way too busy and lots of time traveling :([15:12:23] <patdk-wk> haven't been able to hang in here[15:17:00] <cpm> I'm pleased and just a bit shocked that freenode has preserved my cloak after all these years.[15:17:51] <rob0> it's been hanging over there in the cloak room[15:17:52] <cpm> I'm also a bit pleased that folks still toil away fussing with email, when clearly the all yer messages are belong to the googles[15:18:02] <rob0> sigh[15:18:28] <cpm> learned that even the RHs gave up and joined the gmail borgs[15:19:24] <cpm> was kinda shocked, but not surprised. 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(Read error: Connection reset by peer)[16:39:45] <thms> patdk-lap, following this morning's problem (helo needing FQDN), I tried to configure the mailclient while tail'ing the logs, and all I see is: Feb 6 16:34:35 localhost postfix/smtpd[14866]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[178.16.175.186]: 504 <PROBOOK2>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname; from=<t.redacted at redacted dot com> to=<t.redacted at redacted dot com> proto=ESMTP helo=<PROBOOK2>[16:40:21] <patdk-wk> heh? postfix produces a lot more log lines than that[16:40:24] <patdk-wk> where are the other logs?>[16:42:40] <patdk-wk> you do see sasl lines right?[16:43:19] <thumbs> cpm: the pdpc cloaks were not removed on purpose[16:46:33] *** shaytan <shaytan!~shaytan@c-83-233-76-171.cust.bredband2.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[16:50:43] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[16:55:25] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[16:55:49] *** shaytan <shaytan!~shaytan@c-83-233-76-171.cust.bredband2.com> has joined #postfix[17:09:14] *** Genk1 <Genk1!~amine@197.230.53.126> has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat)[17:17:00] <thms> patdk-lap, I don't[17:18:30] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[17:21:28] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:23:20] *** j7k6 <j7k6!~j7k6@62.112.80.25> has joined #postfix[17:26:04] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@208.167.254.86> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:26:54] <patdk-wk> thms, then fix the client config[17:26:59] <patdk-wk> why are they not logging in?[17:27:28] <thms> I tell outlook to login, I don't know :/ I don't have any sasl line in the config[17:27:40] <thms> I'm not sure wether it is logged or not[17:27:44] *** 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Lilo died in 2006 (you have been here plenty since then, but somehow did not hear this.) 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If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![23:45:55] <Keitaro> oki[23:45:56] <Keitaro> sorry[23:46:54] <Keitaro> so i try to config a postfix server as MTA and on an other physical machine on the same lan i config dovecot as MDA[23:47:44] <Keitaro> i use debian last version on both of my OS[23:47:57] <patdk-wk> !tell keitaro getting_help[23:47:57] <knoba> keitaro: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[23:48:28] <patdk-wk> Keitaro, you can explain it all you want, but no one will be able to help you till you follow the instructions[23:48:55] <Keitaro> !relevant_logs[23:48:55] <knoba> Keitaro: "relevant_logs" : mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility (mail); filter such messages out unless asked not to.[23:49:21] <Keitaro> !shoconfig[23:49:21] <knoba> Keitaro: Error: "shoconfig" is not a valid command.[23:49:27] <Keitaro> !showconfig[23:49:27] <knoba> Keitaro: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[23:50:09] <Keitaro> postconf -nf[23:50:28] <Keitaro> doesn't work but i use the last version of postfix[23:50:37] <Keitaro> is it only for old version this command ?