January 27, 2017 
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January 27, 2017 [00:28:33] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@181.167.195.114> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:48:30] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Quit: inabit. zz.)[01:06:35] *** TyrfingMjolnir <TyrfingMjolnir!~Tyrfing@62.92.82.250> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:03:23] *** davidw <davidw!~davidw@apache/committer/davidw> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[02:15:31] *** [NoClan]GoAway <[NoClan]GoAway!~NoClan@46.166.170.43> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[02:17:14] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@190.18.0.84> has joined #postfix[02:21:29] *** [NoClan]GoAway <[NoClan]GoAway!~NoClan@46.166.170.43> has joined #postfix[02:26:59] *** guyz <guyz!~digifiv5e@unaffiliated/daynaskully> has joined #postfix[02:28:25] *** guyz is now known as dskull[02:29:46] *** daynaskully <daynaskully!~digifiv5e@unaffiliated/daynaskully> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:29:46] *** dskull is now known as daynaskully[03:00:52] <UncleKiwi> hey there just wondering if I am forwarding emails to on to another email address on a remote system and spam is forwarded and they report it as spam - will that blacklist my MTA's public IP[03:01:49] *** skylite <skylite!~skylite@5402F5C1.dsl.pool.telekom.hu> has joined #postfix[03:02:46] <UncleKiwi> i would imagine this would be the case ?[03:04:27] <tuxick> yes, do everything you can to prevent such policy[03:04:53] *** skylite_ <skylite_!~skylite@91EC6655.dsl.pool.telekom.hu> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[03:04:59] <tuxick> or have a very anal spam filter[03:05:43] <UncleKiwi> yeah my spam filter is not too bad but i can see some garbae still gets thru[03:07:40] <lunaphyte> UncleKiwi: do not forward mail to other people's mail systems.[03:07:53] <lunaphyte> !tell UncleKiwi mantras[03:07:53] <knoba> UncleKiwi: "mantras" : 1. do not accept mail that you do not intend to deliver. 2. do not drop mail. 3. do not use wildcards or catchalls. 4. do not forward mail to outside/third party systems[03:08:47] <lunaphyte> it never was a good idea, but lots of inexperienced people did it, because they were not educated enough to know it was not ok, and since the internet used to be a kinder place, they got away with it, purely by coincidence[03:09:12] <lunaphyte> but that just caused a bigger more systemic problem.[03:09:15] <UncleKiwi> i think gmail can forward right ?[03:09:48] <lunaphyte> as a result, many people deluded themselves into thinking that since it didn't immediately or inherently break, it "was ok".[03:10:26] <lunaphyte> now, with the email landscape as it is, it's technically infeasible, and many people are getting a rude awakening[03:10:43] *** heroux <heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-jzjniqjrrbgkooqw> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[03:11:05] <tuxick> not a kinder place anymore[03:11:12] *** heroux <heroux!sandroco@gateway/shell/insomnia247/x-uxbnoturwtcnrrvr> has joined #postfix[03:11:25] <UncleKiwi> but gmail forwards right ?[03:11:40] <UncleKiwi> maybe they are so big they can deal with it ?[03:12:00] <UncleKiwi> i understand its bad[03:12:04] <lunaphyte> i don't use gmail. i imagine that yes, they probably allow forwarding[03:12:05] *** phunyguy <phunyguy!~torpedo@ubuntu/member/phunyguy> has quit IRC (Quit: Goodbye cruel world!)[03:12:06] <UncleKiwi> and i can see why[03:12:37] <lunaphyte> using things arbitrary companies do as some sort of meaningful reference is probably more foolish than forwarding mail[03:13:40] <UncleKiwi> <lunaphyte> its a large company and must know a lot about email -[03:13:55] <lunaphyte> that is a dangerous fallacy[03:14:18] <lunaphyte> here's one tiny example:[03:14:40] <lunaphyte> today, google announced they would be "blocking" javascript attachments in email[03:15:08] *** nronksr <nronksr!~nronksr@bodhilinux/team/nronksr> has joined #postfix[03:15:23] <lunaphyte> blocking could mean a number of different things, of course, but overall, however they're blocked, it's largely a good thing.[03:15:41] *** MuffinMedic <MuffinMedic!Evan@unaffiliated/muffinmedic> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:15:56] <nronksr> For dealing with spam on a postfix setup, are there any standard recommendations? ie: spamassassin, or something else?[03:16:47] <lunaphyte> i'm sure google doesn't know it, but they're following in the footsteps of the mail system i manage, which - guess what - has been quarantining javascript attachments for quite a while[03:17:24] <lunaphyte> so tell me this - a week ago, if i had told you that you should block js attachments, and you'd gone and found that google doesn't, what would you have said? ;)[03:17:41] <UncleKiwi> <lunaphyte> you are right[03:17:58] <UncleKiwi> <lunaphyte> point taken[03:18:16] <lunaphyte> nronksr: first is postscreen[03:18:41] <lunaphyte> nronksr: second comprehensive smtpd restrictions[03:19:27] *** phunyguy <phunyguy!~torpedo@ubuntu/member/phunyguy> has joined #postfix[03:19:36] <lunaphyte> if 1 and 2 are deemed in sufficient [which they will likely be on any reasonably high traffic system], third is a content filter [such as amavis+spamassassin][03:19:46] <lunaphyte> !tell nronksr postscreen[03:19:46] <knoba> nronksr: "postscreen" : SMTP triage server available in Postfix 2.8, see http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html and http://www.postfix.org/postscreen.8.html[03:19:52] <lunaphyte> !tell nronksr cheatsheet[03:19:52] <knoba> nronksr: "cheatsheet" : (#1) http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control., or (#2) A postscreen cheatsheet can be seen at http://rob0.nodns4.us/postscreen.html (updated 2016-01-16, now requires Postfix 2.11+)[03:20:26] <nronksr> I'll take a look at the resources provided. Thanks lunaphyte.[03:20:59] <lunaphyte> sure thing[03:21:08] <lunaphyte> *insufficient[03:21:29] <UncleKiwi> <lunaphyte> im thinking of providing a webclient for my clients do you think that is a bad idea[03:21:39] <lunaphyte> not at all[03:21:49] <UncleKiwi> <lunaphyte> roundcube ?[03:21:56] <lunaphyte> it's what i use[03:22:05] <rob0> In my experience, larger companies usually do NOT equate to "more clue". El Goog may have a bit more than most big companies, but ugh, I would not consider "gmail practices" as "best practices".[03:23:25] <lunaphyte> someone who thinks otherwise is either a schill or a fool [or both][03:27:15] *** WakiMiko <WakiMiko!~WakiMiko@unaffiliated/wakimiko> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[03:27:48] *** WakiMiko <WakiMiko!~WakiMiko@unaffiliated/wakimiko> has joined #postfix[03:31:08] *** TyrfingMjolnir <TyrfingMjolnir!~Tyrfing@62.92.82.250> has joined #postfix[03:37:39] *** MuffinMedic <MuffinMedic!~Evan@unaffiliated/muffinmedic> has joined #postfix[03:42:19] *** MuffinMedic <MuffinMedic!~Evan@unaffiliated/muffinmedic> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[03:42:47] *** jrj <jrj!~jrj@net-d.bebifood.ru> has quit IRC (Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше))[03:43:45] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has quit IRC (Quit: See you on the flip side)[03:49:30] *** MuffinMedic <MuffinMedic!~Evan@unaffiliated/muffinmedic> has joined #postfix[04:11:09] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[04:13:20] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[04:33:56] *** jrj <jrj!~jrj@net-d.bebifood.ru> has joined #postfix[05:01:52] *** UncleKiwi <UncleKiwi!~UncleKiwi@unaffiliated/unclekiwi> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[05:02:28] *** UncleKiwi <UncleKiwi!~UncleKiwi@unaffiliated/unclekiwi> has joined #postfix[05:40:10] *** froz-gab <froz-gab!~froz-gab@host55-138-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[05:48:07] *** dka <dka!~dka@1.52.58.230> has joined #postfix[06:01:13] *** froz-gab <froz-gab!~froz-gab@host55-138-dynamic.52-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it> has joined #postfix[06:44:19] *** roentgen <roentgen!~roentgen@unaffiliated/roentgen> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.7)[07:17:11] *** KsChoice <KsChoice!~quassel@187-163-219-201.static.axtel.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:17:11] *** Phoenixz <Phoenixz!~quassel@187-163-219-201.static.axtel.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[08:25:22] *** muh2000_ <muh2000_!~quassel@prx1.ernw.net> has joined #postfix[09:22:57] *** dakar <dakar!void@unaffiliated/dakar> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in)[09:39:40] *** Pinchiukas <Pinchiukas!~keps@unaffiliated/pinchiukas> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:52:24] *** Pinchiukas <Pinchiukas!~keps@unaffiliated/pinchiukas> has joined #postfix[10:10:08] *** Takumo <Takumo!~Takumo@immortus.adamek.me> has joined #postfix[10:10:08] *** Takumo <Takumo!~Takumo@immortus.adamek.me> has quit IRC (Changing host)[10:10:08] *** Takumo <Takumo!~Takumo@unaffiliated/takumokatekari> has joined #postfix[10:10:25] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[10:28:50] *** acosonic <acosonic!~acosonic@94.247.200.200> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:32:13] *** troulouliou_div2 <troulouliou_div2!~troulouli@unaffiliated/troulouliou-div2/x-0271439> has joined #postfix[10:55:23] *** ek <ek!ek@freebsd/contributor/ek> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[10:58:35] *** markus_e92 <markus_e92!~markus_e9@62-46-97-53.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[11:00:03] *** markus_e92 <markus_e92!~markus_e9@91-115-153-136.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[11:22:49] *** Nit__ <Nit__!nit@188.165.207.160> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.5)[11:33:08] *** Nit_ <Nit_!nit@saphire.uk.to> has joined #postfix[11:49:09] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@unaffiliated/sarri> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[11:51:10] *** UncleKiwi <UncleKiwi!~UncleKiwi@unaffiliated/unclekiwi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[11:51:32] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@p50995cae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[11:51:32] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@p50995cae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[11:51:32] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@unaffiliated/sarri> has joined #postfix[11:53:13] *** moritz_s <moritz_s!~moritz_s@unaffiliated/moritz-s/x-0273948> has joined #postfix[11:55:01] <moritz_s> Where can I find documentation about the Milter protocol? All I can find is the API docs of libmilter...[12:00:44] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10:e93c:2291:a74b:8f74> has joined #postfix[12:02:36] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10:e93c:2291:a74b:8f74> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[12:04:12] <pj> !milter[12:04:12] <knoba> pj: "milter" : Postfix support for Sendmail milters: http://www.postfix.org/MILTER_README.html[12:04:17] <pj> moritz_s: ^^^^^^[12:05:23] <moritz_s> pj: yes, I've read that. It still doesn't describe the actual protocol[12:09:03] <pj> it pretty much says you have to use a library, so how you interface to it is up to the library.[12:10:17] <moritz_s> Unfortunately libmilter just spawns threads here and there and I want to be able to control that, so that is not an option for me[12:11:04] <pj> try asking in #sendmail, they may be able to give you more help with writing a milter since it's their library and protocol.[12:25:35] *** Section1 <Section1!~section1@190.195.71.40> has joined #postfix[12:40:37] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@177.52.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has joined #postfix[13:33:27] <moritz_s> I think I will just look into the libmilter source. Thanks![13:46:31] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@201.22.86.124.static.gvt.net.br> has joined #postfix[13:56:13] *** ek <ek!ek@freebsd/contributor/ek> has joined #postfix[13:57:26] *** dka <dka!~dka@1.52.58.230> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[14:05:39] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@208.167.254.212> has joined #postfix[14:26:50] *** acosonic <acosonic!~acosonic@94.247.200.200> has joined #postfix[14:27:09] <acosonic> how do I configure postfix or fail2ban to report spam so spammer goes to blacklists?[14:27:36] <cgt> pretty sure postfix can't do that, don't know about fail2ban[14:27:54] <cgt> You can report spam that you get to spamcop.net[14:32:04] <jaybe> Fail2ban doesn't detect "spam"[14:39:29] *** synthroi_ <synthroi_!~synthroid@50.202.5.122> has joined #postfix[14:43:03] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@208.167.254.212> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[14:48:24] <acosonic> jaybe it does, for me... Check this out https://i.imgur.com/pWZOef2.png[14:48:56] <cgt> I suppose you could configure fail2ban to detect postfix rejects like that and report it somewhere.[14:48:58] <acosonic> now I'm configuring rule to block that, but I want to report them as spammers[14:49:06] <acosonic> cgt exactly[14:49:31] <cgt> I don't know of any DNSBLs that take reports like that. Only one I know of is abuseipdb, but they don't have a DNSBL, only an HTTP API.[14:51:46] *** rsx <rsx!~dummy@ppp-93-104-55-14.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[15:08:01] <r1ppa> if $myhostname is not setup for postfix, would it not default to the system hostname for smtp_helo_name (as it states in documentation)?[15:08:31] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has joined #postfix[15:15:57] *** ZeiP <ZeiP!quasselcor@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fe73:fd27> has quit IRC (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)[15:17:13] *** ZeiP <ZeiP!quasselcor@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fe73:fd27> has joined #postfix[15:18:03] *** ZeiP <ZeiP!quasselcor@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fe73:fd27> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[15:19:18] *** ZeiP <ZeiP!quasselcor@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fe73:fd27> has joined #postfix[15:26:21] <r1ppa> nm mailscanner had hard coded localhost entries.....grrrrrr[15:32:06] *** moritz_s <moritz_s!~moritz_s@unaffiliated/moritz-s/x-0273948> has left #postfix ("Leaving")[15:36:03] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has joined #postfix[15:41:32] <jaybe> Identifying and choosing log entries isn't "detecting spam"[15:42:21] <jaybe> If doing things like that works for you then great, but it's not spam analysis or detection really. You could apply the same logic to every third NTP log entry that shows up. Or repeated hits on port 22.[15:45:19] <rob0> anyway, "how to configure fail2ban ..." sounds more like a fail2ban question than a Postfix one. You have logs of your spam rejects.[15:59:43] <rob0> I guess a question you might want to ask here is, "who to report it to?" As mentioned, spamcop accepts such reports, otherwise I don't know. Some people/sites build their own local DNSBL.[16:01:57] <cgt> spamcop only accepts reports of full e-mails, which means you have to have accepted the mail[16:02:17] <rob0> ah[16:06:31] <mungustas> hey maybe anybody have played with opendkim SigningTable from memcache: redis: mysql: or similar?[16:07:24] *** troulouliou_div2 <troulouliou_div2!~troulouli@unaffiliated/troulouliou-div2/x-0271439> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[16:10:43] <mungustas> I see there's memcache support but can't find any examples how to use it[16:14:07] *** Teraii_ <Teraii_!~Teraii@vip-s1-l1.teraii.net> has joined #postfix[16:14:50] *** JanC_ <JanC_!~janc@lugwv/member/JanC> has joined #postfix[16:15:00] *** JanC <JanC!~janc@lugwv/member/JanC> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:16:05] *** JanC_ is now known as JanC[16:17:10] *** Teraii <Teraii!~Teraii@vip-s1-l1.teraii.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:20:13] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@208.167.254.81> has joined 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