January 23, 2017 
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<draynium!U2FsdGVkX1@ma.sdf.org> has joined #postfix[03:39:18] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[03:40:57] *** twb <twb!~twb@203.7.155.119> has joined #postfix[03:42:08] <twb> I have an old mail stack that checks sender + receipients against a whitelist. The users have complained that some emails use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BATV and thus never match.[03:42:58] <twb> Does postfix have a built-in knob somewhere to handle this for me? Plan B is to roll my own workaround from scratch, which I dislike because I'll probably cock it up[03:43:20] <twb> I had a quick look on postfix.org but I couldn't see any reference to BATV[03:43:53] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[03:44:31] <twb> (I don't control the networks using BATV, so "just turn it off" is (probably) not an option.)[03:48:23] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[03:49:38] <pj> twb: show your config...[03:49:43] <pj> !tell twb showconfig[03:49:43] <knoba> twb: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[03:50:04] <twb> !showconfig_old[03:50:04] <knoba> twb: "showconfig_old" : for versions of postfix < 2.9, pastebin postconf -n and the contents of master.cf with comments removed[03:50:52] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[03:51:00] <pj> twb: you'd want to strip the prvs=tag-value= from the envelope sender when checking against the whitelist. I just need to see your config to tell you exactly how you'd do that.[03:51:21] <twb> I was suspicious because that sounds too easy to be true :-)[03:51:39] <twb> http://sprunge.us/EJDS the address comparison stuff happens in the "maxwell" component which is a shitty python script[03:51:47] <pj> also I should point out that sender / recipient based authentication is easy to spoof, so it's not recommended.[03:52:12] <twb> Do you have a better suggestion?[03:52:44] <pj> it depends, it looks like you're doing sasl auth.[03:53:38] <twb> This is used in prisons to restrict who inmates can correspond with (outside the prison); the intel officers use it to prioritize what emails they inspect[03:54:49] <twb> I can strengthen the restrictions on the inmates; they're not perfect but other parts of the stack (e.g. physical security) help prevent the inmates from spoofing[03:55:17] <twb> Someone technical on the outside can spoof; there's not much I can do about that[03:55:38] <pj> hrmmmm, maxwell looks like it gets called from the port 10025 submission, and I take it that 10025 is reinjected mail from whatever sits on port 10024?[03:55:45] <twb> (It's roughly analogous to how the inmates' physical post is handled)[03:55:53] <twb> pj: I honestly don't remember; it's pretty spaghetti :-)[03:56:07] <twb> The "missing" port will be clamav[03:56:52] <pj> twb: ok[03:57:25] <pj> so this is all for inbound mail on the MX port (25)[03:57:34] <twb> pretty much[03:57:55] <pj> outbound mail (submission) doesn't appear to go through maxwell at all.[03:58:45] <twb> So atm for boring horrible reasons, email landing on 587 is from other local servers (e.g. SMART cron emails), and both internal inmate emails and external emails from like hotmail.com arrive on 25[03:59:04] <pj> ok, so basically you're matching up approved senders to the inmnate recipients. What your'e doing appears to look fine to me, btw, my earlier warning doesn't app-ly to your situation. What you're doing is an additional restriction to what someone would normally have, it's not replacing existing normal restrictions.[03:59:20] <twb> Right[03:59:43] <twb> I have no problem with you knee-jerk reacting to it, though :-)[03:59:59] <pj> at any rate, since you're verifying the sender/recipient in your maxwell script I suggest you deal with this in maxwell. Modify the script so it strips out the extraneous BATV data before doing the comparison.[04:00:16] <twb> OK[04:00:26] <twb> Just wanted to sanity check in case there was an obvious thing I was missing[04:00:37] <twb> e.g. if there was something like strip_batv = True[04:00:43] <pj> if you were doing the checks in postfix there would be a way to do it there as well, but in your case you want to do it in maxwell.[04:00:58] <pj> no, postfix does not have any special understanding of BATV.[04:01:37] <twb> How likely is it that simply stripping the prvs=xxx= from addresses will result in false positives?[04:02:17] <twb> e.g. could an attacker create an account at hotmail prvs=x=foo because they knew foo at hotmail dot com was whitelisted[04:02:57] <twb> Would it be reasonable to only strip out prvs=x= for a whitelist of domains that were known to use BATV?[04:03:03] <pj> twb: possibly, if hotmail allows that.[04:03:47] *** Xentil <Xentil!~quassel@ip-46-21-210-22.nette.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)[04:03:57] <pj> at the end of the day it's up to you to decide, personally I would just strip it for the comparison and not worry about it, but your dealing with a much lower tolerance for errors than I do.[04:04:19] <twb> OK cool[04:05:21] <pj> you're still better off than no restriction at all, and I think your scenario is rather slim, but you're dealing with people that might have a very high incentive to break this system, so in your case it may not be such a good diea.[04:05:59] <pj> I will say this, if someone wants to fake it that way they can probably just spoof the sender easier than trying to take out an account with fake BATV data pre-pended to it.[04:06:26] <pj> for example, I could spoof an email with a sender of foo at hotmail dot com directly.[04:07:06] <twb> Hrmmm, I guess we're assuming things like SPF will make that difficult[04:07:19] <pj> it can, depending on how strict your SPF checks are.[04:07:33] <pj> and how strict hotmail submission is to prevent spoofing.[04:07:39] <twb> And whether hotmail (or whateve- right[04:08:30] <twb> To some extent we are relying on most inmates and their correspondents being non-technical, and intel officers keeping a closer eye on the few technical ones[04:09:58] <pj> you can test it, try to take out an account of prvs=xxx=foo at hotmail dot com and see if it lets you, or if you can create an alias. Try in gmail and other accounts as well.[04:10:03] <twb> Looking at the logs, there's only 6 domains using BATV to correspond with that site[04:10:17] <twb> So only stripping prvs= for those domains is viable[04:10:21] <pj> ok[04:10:39] <twb> (All but two of them are .gov.au)[04:12:35] *** jahrichie <jahrichie!~Adium@ool-182f64df.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #postfix[04:33:32] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[04:34:40] *** namyzarc_ <namyzarc_!~namyzarc@c-98-237-99-145.hsd1.pa.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:36:45] *** yosafbridge <yosafbridge!~yosafbrid@68.ip-149-56-14.net> has joined #postfix[04:36:45] *** yosafbridge` <yosafbridge`!~yosafbrid@68.ip-149-56-14.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[04:37:22] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[04:40:09] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined 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fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:49:15] *** JanC_ <JanC_!~janc@lugwv/member/JanC> has joined #postfix[07:50:10] *** JanC <JanC!~janc@lugwv/member/JanC> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[07:50:30] *** JanC_ is now known as JanC[08:04:35] *** on1ald <on1ald!~ben@dD5761690.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[08:17:30] *** on1ald <on1ald!~ben@ip-83-101-80-40.customer.schedom-europe.net> has joined #postfix[08:30:31] *** stenrose <stenrose!~stenrose@martin.ilait.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[08:40:41] *** aindilis2 <aindilis2!~aindilis@173-165-36-107-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #postfix[08:41:22] *** stenrose <stenrose!~stenrose@martin.ilait.se> has joined #postfix[08:47:23] <twb> Stupid question: how come I see from=<btv1==196e1c979a9==foo at example dot net> --- with two ='s instead of one?[08:47:57] <twb> I suspect that's the ='s being escape by doubling, but I don't know what that's called so I'm having trouble finding where it's specified[09:03:38] *** muh2000_ <muh2000_!~quassel@prx1.ernw.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:06:04] *** muh2000 <muh2000!~muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[09:06:27] *** muh2000 <muh2000!~muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000> has joined #postfix[09:15:39] *** muh2000 <muh2000!~muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[09:18:44] *** muh2000 <muh2000!~muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000> has joined #postfix[09:18:46] *** markus_e92 <markus_e92!~markus_e9@62-46-30-107.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[09:18:58] *** muh2000_ <muh2000_!~quassel@prx2.ernw.net> has joined #postfix[09:19:58] *** markus_e92 <markus_e92!~markus_e9@91-115-153-168.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[09:36:28] *** ld50 <ld50!~quassel@2001:41d0:8:baae::bad:deed> has joined #postfix[09:42:43] *** Mizar <Mizar!~benjamin@host98-75-static.225-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it> has joined #postfix[09:55:00] *** guver <guver!~Thunderbi@ip-80-113-31-106.ip.prioritytelecom.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[10:01:49] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[10:10:08] *** pppingme <pppingme!~pppingme@unaffiliated/pppingme> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[10:12:38] *** pppingme <pppingme!~pppingme@unaffiliated/pppingme> has joined #postfix[10:19:19] <pj> twb: I have no idea if it's valid BATV, but it doesn't have to be, it just has to be an envelope sender that the server knows what to do with if it gets a bounce message to that, other than that it can be literally anything.[10:19:54] <twb> Fair[10:20:09] <twb> I did some more quacking and it seems like btv1==...== is specific to Barracuda Networks devices[10:20:21] <twb> But because those are proprietary I can't RTFS and understand them :///[10:21:34] <pj> right, makes sense.[10:22:32] <twb> thanks for your help today btw[10:23:08] <pj> yw[10:25:29] *** twb <twb!~twb@203.7.155.119> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:30:06] *** muh2000_ <muh2000_!~quassel@prx2.ernw.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:33:37] *** muh2000_ <muh2000_!~quassel@prx1.ernw.net> has joined #postfix[10:38:28] *** troulouliou_div2 <troulouliou_div2!~troulouli@unaffiliated/troulouliou-div2/x-0271439> has joined #postfix[10:51:09] *** jelly <jelly!jelly@pdpc/supporter/active/jelly> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[10:54:28] *** AnHry <AnHry!~x@a94-132-78-87.cpe.netcabo.pt> has joined #postfix[10:55:39] *** cite <cite!~cite@thrassa.incertum.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[10:58:08] *** markus_e92 <markus_e92!~markus_e9@91-115-153-168.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[11:00:07] *** markus_e92 <markus_e92!~markus_e9@91-115-20-156.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[11:06:56] *** sphenxes <sphenxes!~sphenxes@81-5-234-100.hdsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[11:15:31] *** cgt <cgt!~cgt@wikipedia/cgt> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.7)[11:18:42] *** AnHry <AnHry!~x@a94-132-78-87.cpe.netcabo.pt> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[11:18:49] *** on1ald <on1ald!~ben@ip-83-101-80-40.customer.schedom-europe.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[11:19:16] *** on1ald <on1ald!~ben@dd57636fc.access.telenet.be> has joined #postfix[11:21:30] <SipriusPT> hello guys[11:21:51] <SipriusPT> i have notice something strange in my webmail service aka roundcube while i was messing with smtpd_recipient_restrictions under submission at master.cf[11:22:30] <SipriusPT> while i was testing i notice that my webmail till now i was receiving a message at browsers saying that it was not secure[11:23:07] <SipriusPT> and since i was using a self signed CA i thought that was normal[11:24:11] <SipriusPT> but when i add that line under submission with permit_sasl_authenticated[11:24:27] <SipriusPT> it changes to secure[11:24:47] <SipriusPT> and i have not figure it out why[11:32:54] *** cgt <cgt!~cgt@wikipedia/cgt> has joined #postfix[11:33:33] *** jahrichie1 <jahrichie1!~Adium@ool-182f64df.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #postfix[11:35:20] *** jahrichie <jahrichie!~Adium@ool-182f64df.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[12:20:31] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@201.22.86.124.static.gvt.net.br> has joined #postfix[12:24:05] *** _0x5eb_ <_0x5eb_!~seb@seb-hpws2.elen.ucl.ac.be> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[12:28:28] *** Section1 <Section1!~section1@190.195.71.40> has joined #postfix[12:28:42] *** _0x5eb_ <_0x5eb_!~seb@seb-hpws2.elen.ucl.ac.be> has joined #postfix[12:32:22] *** fishcooker <fishcooker!~chika.tam@202.148.7.34> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[13:11:39] *** higuita <higuita!~higuita@2a01:240:fe00:82a7:ec72:50ff:fe96:f291> has joined #postfix[13:23:32] *** fatdragon 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JanC[14:58:35] *** dka <dka!~dka@118.69.28.164> has joined #postfix[15:01:28] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@201.22.86.124.static.gvt.net.br> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[15:02:51] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@201.22.86.124.static.gvt.net.br> has joined #postfix[15:11:05] *** FinboySlick <FinboySlick!~shark@74.117.40.10> has joined #postfix[15:24:56] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[15:29:27] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[15:34:41] <jimpop> !rob0[15:34:41] <knoba> jimpop: "rob0" : a pathetic bot that reacts to newly joined users with reciting the !basic and !standard factoids[15:34:51] <jimpop> !postscreen[15:34:51] <knoba> jimpop: "postscreen" : SMTP triage server available in Postfix 2.8, see http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html and http://www.postfix.org/postscreen.8.html[15:34:57] <jimpop> !cheats[15:34:57] <knoba> jimpop: Error: "cheats" is not a valid command.[15:35:14] <jimpop> what's the factoid for rob0's postscreen cheats?[15:39:34] *** jelly-home <jelly-home!jelly@pdpc/supporter/active/jelly> has joined #postfix[15:41:36] <Zerberus> http://rob0.nodns4.us/postscreen.html[15:43:56] <survietamine> !cheatsheet[15:43:56] <knoba> survietamine: "cheatsheet" : (#1) http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control., or (#2) A postscreen cheatsheet can be seen at http://rob0.nodns4.us/postscreen.html (updated 2016-01-16, now requires Postfix 2.11+)[15:44:25] <jimpop> ahh. ty[15:44:29] <survietamine> yw[15:45:06] <jimpop> i wanted to check if virbl.dnsbl.bit.nl was listed there[15:45:19] <jimpop> if you haven't heard, virbl.dnsbl.bit.nl is shutting down[15:45:42] <jimpop> see: https://virbl.bit.nl/[15:45:47] <survietamine> ah ok, I'm not using it[15:46:13] <Zerberus> never heard of it, so far[15:46:35] *** sphenxes02 <sphenxes02!~sphenxes@85-90-151-60.hdsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[15:47:08] <jimpop> it was an RBL of IPs sending viruses[15:49:40] *** sphenxes01 <sphenxes01!~sphenxes@85-90-141-15.hdsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[15:51:37] *** Xentil <Xentil!~quassel@ip-46-21-210-22.nette.pl> has joined #postfix[15:52:01] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has joined #postfix[15:53:19] <f3ew> ??tutorial[15:53:23] <f3ew> !tutorial[15:53:23] <knoba> f3ew: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.[15:53:44] <f3ew> ISTR we used to have a virtual users tutorial link[15:53:57] <f3ew> !guide[15:53:57] <knoba> f3ew: Error: "guide" is not a valid command.[15:54:35] <jimpop> !virtual[15:54:35] <knoba> jimpop: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and mailboxes that do not require individual system accounts. See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html[15:55:39] *** froz-gab <froz-gab!~froz-gab@93-35-48-14.ip53.fastwebnet.it> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[15:57:00] <f3ew> Thankfully, Google is my friend[16:01:24] *** jahrichie <jahrichie!~Adium@158.106.196.106> has joined #postfix[16:01:58] *** jahrichie <jahrichie!~Adium@158.106.196.106> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[16:10:04] <survietamine> that's what you think[16:10:05] <survietamine> !google[16:10:05] <knoba> survietamine: "google" : Those who use Google before reading the Postfix documentation, if fortunate, end up at http://www.postfix.org/ . 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