January 21, 2017 
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January 21, 2017 [00:01:18] *** michelem <michelem!~Adium@xdsl-31-164-106-61.adslplus.ch> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[00:02:16] <pj> !tls[00:02:16] <knoba> pj: "tls" : Transport Layer Security (RFC2246). Previously known as SSL, TLS adds a layer of encryption to protocols such as SMTP, submission, IMAP or POP3 to improve security during transmission over the Internet. TLS is implemented using the STARTTLS method, while the non-standard wrapper style of implementation is deprecated at this point. See http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html for more info.[00:02:32] <pj> that is what we recommend ^^^^^^[00:03:22] *** zokum_ <zokum_!~zokum@188.51-174-52.customer.lyse.net> has joined #postfix[00:04:19] *** zokum <zokum!zokum@51.174.52.188> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:12:55] <tinjaw> another question: given that there ARE reasons for people to use RHEL and Postfix 2.x, For my own server, is there any drawback at this point to using postfix 3.x?[00:13:53] <pj> tinjaw: what release of RHEL are you running?[00:15:17] <tinjaw> I have two settings: 1) suggesting to “businesses” to use RHEL 7 for all the reasons the sales guys and gals will give you. 2) My own “basement lab” where anything goes.[00:15:22] *** Xentil <Xentil!~quassel@ip-46-21-210-22.nette.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[00:15:33] <tinjaw> so in this setting RHEL 7[00:16:08] <pj> well, there are newer features that come in handy in Postfix 3.1 that 2.10 doesn't have. Not the least of which is dynamic db support...[00:16:12] <pj> !tell tinjaw centos[00:16:12] <knoba> tinjaw: "centos" : New postfix packages are available for all current versions of CentOS, RHEL, SL and other RHEL-derivatives from the GhettoForge gf-plus repository at www.ghettoforge.org. See http://ghettoforge.org/index.php/Postfix3 for more info.[00:16:41] <pj> tinjaw: the downside is those packages don't come from Red Hat and so aren't supported by Red Hat.[00:17:25] <tinjaw> yeah, that is why I am sticking to 2.x in situation #1[00:17:43] <tinjaw> But I think I will set up 3.x in my lab and use that as my daily.[00:18:03] <pj> I would say if you want or need the newer features then use the newer packages, otherwise I would stick with the ones provided by Red Hat.[00:18:38] <tinjaw> THX for all the help[00:18:43] <pj> yw[00:19:03] <pj> what I wouldn't do is try to build it yourself, btw.[00:19:09] <pj> just in case you were thinking of doing that.[00:26:34] <tinjaw> OK, THX[00:28:17] *** tinjaw <tinjaw!~tinjaw@216.84.189.6> has quit IRC (Quit: tinjaw)[00:30:23] *** tinjaw <tinjaw!~tinjaw@216.84.189.6> has joined #postfix[00:31:52] *** Fishcat <Fishcat!~Fishcatz@194-166-19-37.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[00:31:53] *** Zumochi 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seconds)[02:12:38] *** UncleKiwi <UncleKiwi!~UncleKiwi@unaffiliated/unclekiwi> has joined #postfix[02:17:27] <UncleKiwi> i would really likt to know how i can know that my smtp submission service is doing what i need it to[02:17:31] <UncleKiwi> like*[02:18:02] <UncleKiwi> i guess i could think its doing on thing but really its doing something else[02:21:40] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[02:21:49] <Dat> UncleKiwi: sounds stange[02:24:09] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[02:43:35] *** fishcooker <fishcooker!~chika.tam@139.195.142.108> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:58:37] <jaybe> How to know? 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up cert[15:40:35] *** Hercules <Hercules!Hercules@unaffiliated/genkei> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:44:26] *** bjoe2k4 <bjoe2k4!bjoe2k4@2a03:4000:9:55::1> has joined #postfix[15:45:30] <jaybe> TyrfingMjolnir, learn about POSTSCREEN first[15:45:31] <jaybe> !postscreen[15:45:32] <knoba> jaybe: "postscreen" : SMTP triage server available in Postfix 2.8, see http://www.postfix.org/POSTSCREEN_README.html and http://www.postfix.org/postscreen.8.html[15:49:07] *** cmd_ <cmd_!~cmd@23.ip-51-254-209.eu> has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal)[15:49:32] *** cromag_ is now known as cromag[15:54:16] *** DzAirmaX <DzAirmaX!~AirmaX@unaffiliated/dzairmax> has joined #postfix[15:55:10] *** Takumo <Takumo!~Takumo@immortus.adamek.me> has joined #postfix[15:55:10] *** Takumo <Takumo!~Takumo@immortus.adamek.me> has quit IRC (Changing host)[15:55:10] *** Takumo <Takumo!~Takumo@unaffiliated/takumokatekari> has joined #postfix[16:05:36] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[16:10:29] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[16:15:29] *** cgt <cgt!~cgt@wikipedia/cgt> has joined #postfix[16:22:02] *** rsx <rsx!~dummy@ppp-93-104-48-36.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[16:28:44] *** eater <eater!~eater@tamako.eoc.io> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[16:28:46] *** cgt <cgt!~cgt@wikipedia/cgt> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.7)[16:29:31] <TyrfingMjolnir> How do I set up DKIM?[16:30:17] *** cgt <cgt!~cgt@wikipedia/cgt> has joined #postfix[16:32:33] <TyrfingMjolnir> I see an example here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DomainKeys_Identified_Mail#How_it_works[16:36:45] <TyrfingMjolnir> Got it: https://yomotherboard.com/how-to-setup-email-server-dkim-keys/[16:48:43] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10:9474:e052:60b8:da67> has joined #postfix[16:59:41] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I prohibit senders through my postfix from senders that does not exist?[17:00:51] <lunaphyte> what is "senders that does not exist"?[17:01:31] <TyrfingMjolnir> lunaphyte at mydomain dot tld[17:02:40] <honestly> only allow authenticated connections to send from your domain[17:03:02] <lunaphyte> TyrfingMjolnir: use reject_sender_login_mismatch in your restrictions for your submission service[17:04:22] <honestly> I think this is the relevant documentation: http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#server_sasl_authz[17:04:53] <lunaphyte> related, but not quite[17:04:56] <honestly> (scroll down to get to reject_sender_login_mismatch)[17:06:00] <lunaphyte> ah, yes[17:06:08] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:b18:581:10:48d0:3296:ecc:11b0> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:06:25] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[17:07:11] <honestly> I think you should read all of it if you're setting up SASL :)[17:08:20] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@unaffiliated/sarri> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[17:09:38] <TyrfingMjolnir> Hmmm[17:09:41] <TyrfingMjolnir> Here is my issue[17:09:47] <TyrfingMjolnir> My scanner is not allowed to send[17:10:02] <lunaphyte> what is your scanner?[17:10:10] <TyrfingMjolnir> But someidiot at mydomain dot tld is sending my spam[17:10:17] <TyrfingMjolnir> canon 2030i[17:10:58] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@p50995cae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[17:10:58] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@p50995cae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[17:10:58] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@unaffiliated/sarri> has joined #postfix[17:11:00] <lunaphyte> oh, a document scanning device?[17:11:10] <lunaphyte> why is it not allowed to send?[17:11:14] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[17:11:30] <TyrfingMjolnir> I have not been able to find out[17:11:47] <TyrfingMjolnir> Something about it not accepting 512 bit+ certs?[17:11:54] <TyrfingMjolnir> Is my guess[17:11:55] <lunaphyte> oh[17:12:01] <lunaphyte> that wouldn't be too surprising[17:12:03] <TyrfingMjolnir> And my cert is only 1024 or higher[17:12:13] <lunaphyte> sad, but not surprising[17:12:25] <lunaphyte> that should be easy to see in the logs though[17:13:33] <TyrfingMjolnir> However with postscreen perhaps I can whitelist its IP and let it send unsigned?[17:16:28] <lunaphyte> postscreen should not be involved at all with your scanner sending email[17:18:03] <TyrfingMjolnir> LAN 10.0.96.0/22: http://termbin.com/8af7[17:18:06] *** zapata <zapata!~zapata@2a02:b18:581:10:349e:782d:bde5:ef5d> has joined #postfix[17:20:40] <TyrfingMjolnir> lunaphyte: I posted the output from logs[17:20:51] <lunaphyte> pastebin your config[17:20:55] <lunaphyte> !tell TyrfingMjolnir show_config[17:20:55] <knoba> TyrfingMjolnir: "show_config" : see !showconfig[17:20:59] <lunaphyte> !tell TyrfingMjolnir showconfig[17:20:59] <knoba> TyrfingMjolnir: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[17:25:35] <TyrfingMjolnir> lunaphyte: http://termbin.com/aoql[17:26:13] *** Death_rattle <Death_rattle!~death@p200300868A0134010000000000000004.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: bye)[17:29:07] *** boubou <boubou!boubou@unaffiliated/boubou> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net)[17:31:00] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[17:31:35] *** boubou <boubou!boubou@unaffiliated/boubou> has joined #postfix[17:37:16] *** eater <eater!~eater@tamako.eoc.io> has joined #postfix[17:39:22] *** Oclair <Oclair!~Oclair@194-166-19-37.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:41:49] *** eater <eater!~eater@tamako.eoc.io> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[17:45:28] *** traptrip <traptrip!~traptrip@brigaid.xs4all.nl> has joined #postfix[17:47:42] *** Oclair <Oclair!~Oclair@194-166-19-37.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[17:48:55] *** traptrip <traptrip!~traptrip@brigaid.xs4all.nl> has left #postfix[17:49:44] <lunaphyte> TyrfingMjolnir: does your scanner have a setting to enable encryption?[17:49:47] *** traptrip <traptrip!~traptrip@brigaid.xs4all.nl> has joined #postfix[17:51:41] <traptrip> I've been running a qmail + spamassassin setup for the longest time, and I'm curious about switching to postfix. spamassassin currently doesn't seem to be well maintained, I'm open to alternatives. any opinions?[17:52:16] <lunaphyte> i'm not sure why you'd think that. it's not true[17:52:21] <traptrip> what isn't[17:53:35] <lunaphyte> wel,l i'm not claiming that you running qmail for a long time isn't true ;)[17:53:47] <honestly> spamassassin is just fine[17:53:47] <lunaphyte> *well,[17:53:55] <traptrip> yes, that is a fair comment[17:54:15] <traptrip> ok, so consensus among the postfix community would be to just go with spamassassin?[17:54:17] <honestly> if you really think that something new and shiny will be better, there's rspamd[17:54:30] <traptrip> honestly, I never said that, did I?[17:54:43] <traptrip> merely looking for suggestions here[17:54:49] <lunaphyte> they're extrapolating...[17:54:58] <traptrip> what do you mean by that[17:55:00] <lunaphyte> my suggestion is to use spamassassin[17:55:02] <rob0> As always, use safer and less resource-hungry spam control methods before content filtering, ...[17:55:07] <rob0> !cheatsheet[17:55:07] <knoba> rob0: "cheatsheet" : (#1) http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt : A HOWTO for pre-DATA spam control., or (#2) A postscreen cheatsheet can be seen at http://rob0.nodns4.us/postscreen.html (updated 2016-01-16, now requires Postfix 2.11+)[17:55:29] <rob0> and then for content filtering if necessary,[17:55:33] <rob0> !amavisd[17:55:33] <knoba> rob0: "amavisd" : see !amavisd-new[17:55:40] <rob0> !amavisd-new[17:55:40] <knoba> rob0: "amavisd-new" : amavisd-new is a high-performance and reliable interface between mailer (MTA) and one or more content checkers. See http://www.ijs.si/software/amavisd/[17:55:56] <lunaphyte> yes ^^ that's assuming you already have all of the other requisite mechanisms in place first and there is still enough spam to warrant something like a content filter[17:56:31] <rob0> amavisd runs spamassassin as perl modules, in a single process.[17:56:39] <traptrip> my qmail setup already does a bit of pre-data filtering. it doesn't catch anything close to enough spam, so content filtering is an absolute must[17:56:51] <traptrip> rob0: thanks for your pointers[17:56:57] <lunaphyte> yes, that's with qmail.[17:57:19] <lunaphyte> but you said you were curious about switching to postfix[17:57:20] <traptrip> lunaphyte: with some add-ons, I don't think vanilla qmail is complete enough[17:57:28] <traptrip> but I'm not interested in qmail[17:58:03] <lunaphyte> my poin is, it doesn't make sense to state with certainty that a content filter will be necessary with postfix, just because it was necessary with qmail[17:58:10] <rob0> Postscreen is a bit more advanced than anything qmail can do, with any number of patches.[17:58:17] <lunaphyte> one would need to actually tias[17:58:21] <lunaphyte> and then decide[17:58:36] <jaybe> Postscreen is nicely performing and light comparatively[17:58:59] <rob0> lunaphyte, given the likely age of the domain and spam listings, I don't doubt that content filtering will be needed.[18:00:25] <traptrip> lunaphyte: I meant that content filtering for my current setup is absolutely crucial. I'm very curious to see how postfix would perform on catching Dutch spam without any content filtering. if it does, I would be seriously impressed![18:02:32] <lunaphyte> sure, it's probable. i wouldn't change the methdology though[18:02:35] *** Death_rattle <Death_rattle!~death@p200300868A0134010000000000000004.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[18:02:55] <traptrip> rob0: http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt doesn't seem to mention anything about 3.x. is it safe to assume that its recommendations for 2.x also apply to 3.x?[18:03:16] <traptrip> lunaphyte: nobody suggested doing so.[18:03:28] <lunaphyte> i didn't say anyone did[18:03:33] <traptrip> good![18:04:23] <rob0> 3.x had few changes in such features. There's now a check_sasl_access, the only access(5)-related change I can think of, and that won't apply to standard spam blocking.[18:04:33] <lunaphyte> it is a little bit out of date, and probably should mention its version reference[18:05:15] <rob0> Jimsun / lordburrito comes along every few years and updates it[18:05:25] <lunaphyte> it also doesn't afford considerations for smtpd_relay_restrictions [one way or the other][18:05:42] <traptrip> rob0: sounds manageable[18:05:48] <traptrip> thank you[18:06:05] <rob0> yes, but as lunaphyte would point out, relay restrictions is a new feature which can be ignored :)[18:06:17] <lunaphyte> well, mostly ignored :)[18:06:36] <lunaphyte> ignored once you neuter[18:06:42] <lunaphyte> *neuter it[18:06:44] <rob0> true[18:07:06] <rob0> !tell traptrip access[18:07:06] <knoba> traptrip: "access" : http://www.postfix.org/SMTPD_ACCESS_README.html : An overview of access(5) controls in the Postfix smtpd(8) SMTP server.[18:07:32] <traptrip> looks great[18:07:34] <rob0> ^^ also has quite a bit of version history to explain this meaningless conversation[18:17:52] *** boubou <boubou!boubou@unaffiliated/boubou> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net)[18:20:22] *** boubou <boubou!boubou@unaffiliated/boubou> has joined #postfix[18:25:29] *** infides <infides!~infides@p5B1674ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[18:32:05] *** DzAirmaX <DzAirmaX!~AirmaX@unaffiliated/dzairmax> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[18:44:21] *** Oclairi <Oclairi!~Oclair@178-190-63-116.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[18:45:58] *** Oclair <Oclair!~Oclair@194-166-19-37.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)[18:46:06] *** cnu- <cnu-!~u@s8635.suka.se> has joined #postfix[18:56:37] <TyrfingMjolnir> lunaphyte: Yes, and I have loaded the 1024 bit cert[19:01:50] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[19:07:26] *** ktosiek <ktosiek!~quassel@108.61.166.51> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:07:59] *** ktosiek <ktosiek!~quassel@108.61.166.51> has joined #postfix[19:11:21] *** mirko <mirko!~mirko@openwrt/developer/mirko> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[19:20:27] *** mirko <mirko!~mirko@openwrt/developer/mirko> has joined #postfix[20:08:56] <MuffinMedic> Hi. So I have a google apps account working fine with SMTP credentials. The problem is I added an alias but can't send directly from it, it needs to be set as the "from" address but the smtp credentials need to match that of the "main" username. How do I tell postfix to use this alias as the sender address? Trying to do this in the configs so it applies to all, not a single command-line send.[20:11:01] *** jahrichie <jahrichie!~Adium@ool-182f64df.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[20:13:26] <rob0> Postfix does not "make up" a sender address; it will use the sender address as supplied by the MUA. So typically the right way to do what you're talking about is to configure the MUA as needed.[20:13:57] <MuffinMedic> how do i do that?[20:28:49] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[20:29:19] <lunaphyte> you just compose the message using the appropriate address as the sender[20:34:15] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[20:35:57] <MuffinMedic> hm[20:36:41] <MuffinMedic> well these are local messages being sent to users, so i have root -> mufinmedic at muffinmedic dot com , for example, in /etc/aliases and then an SMTP credentials file[20:36:58] <TyrfingMjolnir> lunaphyte: But it's just like the encryption is not there[20:38:57] <lunaphyte> MuffinMedic: that's not of any consequence. and email address is an emai laddress[20:39:21] <lunaphyte> *an email address[20:40:17] *** rsx <rsx!~dummy@ppp-93-104-48-36.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:40:59] <MuffinMedic> i dont understand where to change what. postfix is sending root -> muffinmedic at muffinmedic dot com through system at muffinmedic dot com's SMTP credentials, so it's showing up in my inbox as from system at muffinmedic dot com - HOWEVER i have an google apps alias for that account as system-123 at muff dot .. How do I get it to SEND from system but show the from address as system-123?[20:41:05] <MuffinMedic> exit[20:41:17] <lunaphyte> MuffinMedic: no, postfix is not sending anything[20:41:24] <lunaphyte> postfix relays mail[20:41:47] <lunaphyte> a program submits a message to postfix, and postfix then routes the message[20:42:42] <MuffinMedic> so can i have postfix modify the message to change the "From" field?[20:42:58] <lunaphyte> use the proper From: header[20:43:14] <lunaphyte> don't send messages badly and then try to clean them up later. that's silly[20:46:12] *** likewhoa <likewhoa!~likewhoa@s2.maserver.com> has quit IRC (Quit: brb)[20:46:55] *** DzAirmaX <DzAirmaX!~AirmaX@unaffiliated/dzairmax> has joined #postfix[20:47:44] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[20:47:56] *** likewhoa <likewhoa!~likewhoa@s2.maserver.com> has joined #postfix[20:50:47] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[20:59:35] *** DzAirmaX <DzAirmaX!~AirmaX@unaffiliated/dzairmax> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:10:49] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[21:18:38] *** DzAirmaX <DzAirmaX!~AirmaX@unaffiliated/dzairmax> has joined #postfix[21:18:58] *** eater <eater!~eater@tamako.eoc.io> has joined #postfix[21:22:21] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[21:44:25] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[21:47:50] *** fishcooker <fishcooker!~chika.tam@202.67.41.230> has joined #postfix[21:48:00] *** fishcooker <fishcooker!~chika.tam@202.67.41.230> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[21:49:14] *** fishcooker <fishcooker!~chika.tam@202.67.41.230> has joined #postfix[21:49:23] *** fishcooker <fishcooker!~chika.tam@202.67.41.230> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[21:50:10] *** fishcooker <fishcooker!~chika.tam@202.67.41.230> has joined #postfix[22:01:35] *** KsChoice <KsChoice!~quassel@187-163-219-201.static.axtel.net> has joined #postfix[22:16:05] *** DzAirmaX <DzAirmaX!~AirmaX@unaffiliated/dzairmax> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:23:35] *** vaskozl <vaskozl!~vaskozl@unaffiliated/einherjar> has joined #postfix[22:24:03] <vaskozl> Anyone running a personal server that is able to get trough hotmail's retarded junk filter?[22:24:33] <Zerberus> such kind of question does not make sense[22:24:47] *** DzAirmaX <DzAirmaX!~AirmaX@unaffiliated/dzairmax> has joined #postfix[22:24:51] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[22:24:53] <tuxick> well the last bit does :)[22:24:59] <tuxick> hotmail is retarded[22:25:11] <tuxick> but that's no question[22:26:34] <vaskozl> I am not, so I was looking for advice.[22:27:04] <vaskozl> How is it not a question?[22:27:34] <Zerberus> it is a meta question, many run MTAs which can hand over mail to hotmail[22:27:56] <vaskozl> Right, I can hand over mail to hotmail.[22:28:25] <vaskozl> But it gets placed in spam, even though I have SPF, DKIM, DMARC, PTR and send plain text.[22:29:05] <tuxick> sure all implemented correctly?[22:29:22] <vaskozl> Yes tested in 5+ different places with both ipv4 and ipv6[22:30:27] <vaskozl> Gmail is happy with all of that and the logs in hotmail show that it does infact pass spf and dmarc.[22:31:02] <vaskozl> s/dmarc/dkim/[22:32:17] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10:9474:e052:60b8:da67> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[22:32:19] <vaskozl> And I am sending personal emails 0 marketing bullshit.[22:32:45] <jaybe> Ask hitnail[22:32:47] <jaybe> Hotmail[22:33:09] <jaybe> They have a web site with info and links and ways to contact etc[22:33:26] <Zerberus> hotmail has its own reputation system, not shared in public[22:33:29] <jaybe> What about IP reputation! Home ISP addressing?[22:33:40] <vaskozl> I read they don't care for people with <100 mails per day.[22:33:53] <jaybe> What does that even mean[22:34:32] <MuffinMedic> exit/detach[22:34:35] <MuffinMedic> woops[22:35:03] <vaskozl> I read this guys blog "https://www.maikel.pro/blog/en-your-own-mailserver-postfixdovecot-but/" saying that he tried to apply for their service but was not successful because of said reason.[22:35:04] *** Xentil <Xentil!~quassel@ip-46-21-210-22.nette.pl> has quit IRC (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.)[22:35:23] <jaybe> It's very not unusual for a home ISP network address to be rejected[22:35:27] *** Death_rattle <Death_rattle!~death@p200300868A0134010000000000000004.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: bye)[22:35:45] <vaskozl> It's not a home ISP, but a vps I have been paying for years now.[22:35:46] *** krzyzaq <krzyzaq!~krzyzaq@user-94-254-227-61.play-internet.pl> has joined #postfix[22:35:58] <jaybe> IP reputation?[22:36:13] <vaskozl> Not on any blacklists as far as I have seen.[22:36:15] <jaybe> Are you listed in the lists?[22:36:41] <jaybe> When I had trouble with hotmail I contacted hotmail. Now I send mails to hotmail.[22:36:58] *** eirrrrk <eirrrrk!452bb208@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.43.178.8> has joined #postfix[22:37:36] <vaskozl> Oh, it's good to hear they responded to you.[22:37:40] <vaskozl> Maybe I will try[22:37:44] <jaybe> Why wouldn't they[22:38:24] <jaybe> It's a business that presumably wishes to continue to do business. At least with those that aren't going to put their network and or users at risk.[22:38:54] <vaskozl> I am also listed on dnswl.org as med.[22:39:27] <jaybe> I'm on a list of people that should get millions of dollars. Doesn't seem to have helped yet.[22:40:00] <vaskozl> Well because it requires man power to reply to such requests which will often be from spammers that have more time than me to figure out how to get by.[22:40:17] <vaskozl> And because by not responding they would discourage people from using personal servers and therefore more likely to use them.[22:40:32] <jaybe> It was fairly straight forward and painless to work through them thinking back. Shrug[22:40:39] <vaskozl> Ok thanks[22:41:32] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[22:41:43] <jaybe> Bottom line I recall from their documents and replies are that they do things their way, and they decide. If they believe you're spammy via their research and review and history then perhaps consider why they'd find that[22:42:17] <jaybe> If your not a spammer and your addresses an systems do. It have a history of spam/abuse then all should be fine.[22:42:37] <jaybe> Holy mobile typo hell[22:42:39] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Quit: inabit. zz.)[22:42:58] *** eaterof <eaterof!~eater@tamako.eoc.io> has joined #postfix[22:43:47] *** eater <eater!~eater@tamako.eoc.io> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)[22:44:05] *** eirrrrk <eirrrrk!452bb208@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.43.178.8> has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed)[22:44:50] *** fishcooker <fishcooker!~chika.tam@202.67.41.230> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:44:53] *** eirrrrk <eirrrrk!44078dcb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.7.141.203> has joined #postfix[22:45:34] <vaskozl> I'm probably just an autist trying to use their own thing.[22:49:19] *** krzyzaq <krzyzaq!~krzyzaq@user-94-254-227-61.play-internet.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:49:31] <eirrrrk> Hi guys. I need a pointer. we have two instances of postfix running on one server. One as a MTA and another one as a MX. Different IPS. It's important that they run separately. If I send from that mta to that mx it bounces because it loops back to same "server". 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