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<tharkun> How does this: https://weakdh.org/ affect postfix? I'm having a very rough time today holding connections stable.
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[07:05:28] <joules> tharkun: It doesn't directly.
[07:05:41] <joules> !tls
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<knoba> joules: "tls" : Transport Layer Security (RFC2246). Previously known as SSL, TLS adds a layer of encryption to protocols such as SMTP, submission, IMAP or POP3 to improve security during transmission over the Internet. TLS is implemented using the STARTTLS method, while the non-standard wrapper style of implementation is deprecated at this point. See http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html for more info.
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[09:37:21] <tenaglia> hi all
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<fishcooker> how to manage current mailq when i want to get the queue mail id from to bless at bosco dot com to domain aol.com only http://vpaste.net/rNkbS
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[09:51:50] <survietamine> what you mean with manage?
[09:52:14] <survietamine> and I don't get this too "to get the queue mail id from to"
[09:52:31] <survietamine> the queue id is already in your paste
[09:52:38] <fishcooker> i want to hold the queue id with specification above
[09:53:29] <survietamine> hmm, try postsuper
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[09:54:02] <survietamine> postsuper -h
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[09:56:58] <macsim> hi, anybody knows if postfix sqlite is faster then postfix mysql ? for ~ 116 emails accounts
[09:57:42] <fishcooker> how to get id with the filter above let's say i have 1000 mail id, survietamine
[09:58:27] <fishcooker> yes i've read the man postsuper about -h holding the email transaction
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[10:00:42] <fishcooker> logically sqlite is faster than mysql macsim
[10:00:59] <macsim> fishcooker: ok thanks
[10:02:03] <fishcooker> but AFAIK sqlite will be problem when you are accessing the database through remote(network)
[10:02:06] <fishcooker> cmiiw
[10:07:40] <pj> fishcooker: you can use grep, you can output in JSON and write a script in a programming language that will find it for you.
[10:08:26] <pj> there are no special search functions for the queue that let you do specific searches that way directly in postqueue, though.
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[10:31:07] <pj> fishcooker: here's an example command that uses perl for you: postqueue -j | perl -MJSON=from_json -MList::Util=first -ne 'my $obj=from_json($_); print "$obj->{queue_id}\n" if $obj->{sender} eq q{foo at example dot com} && first {$_->{address} eq q{bar at example dot net}} @{$obj->{recipients}}'
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[10:49:22] <fishcooker> cool pj
[10:50:42] <fishcooker> what's the best practice when postfix log should be save to database? really json output is something new for me.
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[10:52:10] <tenaglia> do you have examples of customisations for bounce messages?
[10:52:29] <tenaglia> in particular I would be interested in pasting the bounced message headers directly into the bounce message
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[11:00:40] <pj> fishcooker: postfix logs to syslog, so it's up to your syslog daemon where those logs go and whether it supports sending them to a db.
[11:01:46] <pj> ...oh, and JSON support in postqueue is fairly new, as of postfix 3.0, I think.
[11:01:48] <UncleKiwi> pj: I have read about the TLS smtpd functionality - it seems to talk a lot about MTA to MTA communications, what I would like to do is have this smtpd service use TLS but also require username/pass authentication by the MUA
[11:02:16] <pj> UncleKiwi: that's pretty normal.
[11:02:36] <fishcooker> pj: AFAIK the file grepping ie: mail.log* would be take a long time to search the matches
[11:02:56] <pj> fishcooker: mail.log is written by your syslog daemon.
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[11:06:26] <pj> UncleKiwi: you should be using the submission port for MUA submssion, so you can keep the settings for it separate from your port 25 MX traffic.
[11:06:30] <pj> !tell UncleKiwi submission
[11:06:40] <UncleKiwi> pj: thanks
[11:06:53] <pj> you'll also be interested in...
[11:06:59] <pj> !smtpd_tls_auth_only
[11:06:59] <knoba> pj: "smtpd_tls_auth_only" : When TLS encryption is optional in the Postfix SMTP server, do not announce or accept SASL authentication over unencrypted connections.
[11:07:02] <pj> !sasl
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<knoba> pj: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.
[11:08:02] <pj> !smtpd_tls_security_level
[11:08:02] <knoba> pj: "smtpd_tls_security_level" : the smtp tls security level for the postfix smtp server; when a non-empty value is specified, this overrides the obsolete parameters smtpd_use_tls and smtpd_enforce_tls. this parameter is ignored with smtpd_tls_wrappermode = yes . this feature is available in postfix 2.3 and later
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[13:14:05] <kingkong-> after i changed my confs, how can i be sure 100% its well done ? i was replaced letsencrypt on postfix and dovecot, set cipher level
[13:15:39] <kingkong-> postfix/submission/smtpd[1247]: Anonymous TLS connection established from unknown[***.***.***.***]: TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)
[13:15:46] <joules> kingkong-: with experience. If you are having trouble comprehending your own configuration then that shows a lack of confidence.
[13:15:58] <kingkong-> i can see this line on log
[13:17:17] <kingkong-> joules: i need to be sure. i did somethings and im not expert
[13:19:27] <joules> !tls
[13:19:27]
<knoba> joules: "tls" : Transport Layer Security (RFC2246). Previously known as SSL, TLS adds a layer of encryption to protocols such as SMTP, submission, IMAP or POP3 to improve security during transmission over the Internet. TLS is implemented using the STARTTLS method, while the non-standard wrapper style of implementation is deprecated at this point. See http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html for more info.
[13:20:02] <joules> alot of options and TBH, my servers are due for an audit.
[13:20:48] <joules> certificate renewals, limiting ciphers etc.
[13:21:46] <kingkong-> i use letsencrypt. i must choose ssl/tls with check or starttls with check on connecting to email from my device?
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[13:59:42] <kingkong-> damn. i receive ipv6 error from gmail epost sending. i must use ipv6 mx at any point ?
[14:00:08] <Zerberus> proper rDNS forIPv6, as documented by google
[14:00:58] <kingkong-> my server has ipv6 record but why subdomain effected by it.. i must check my record if global
[14:06:14] <kingkong-> so you know what error i meant probably. why i wasn't getting such error before letsencrypt ? i have more secure now? or done less something or wrong something?
[14:08:08] <Zerberus> kingkong-: you got the message from gmail, not me - how should I tell you what gmail reports to you specificly?
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[16:25:52] <kingkong-> i must add ipv6 mx dns record or not ?
[16:26:43] <lunaphyte> not
[16:26:53] <lunaphyte> only if you desired to receive mail via ipv6
[16:30:06] <rob0> Personally, I am no hurry to move my mail into ipv6. For the near future, ipv4-only email is likely to be adequate.
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[16:44:20] <SipriusPT> hello guys
[16:44:29] <SipriusPT> i have notice something strange in my mail logs
[16:44:36] <SipriusPT> i have already post a thread at stackexchange
[16:44:50] <SipriusPT> with bad authentications from "good" users
[16:44:56] <SipriusPT> anyone knows what can be the source of this problem?
[16:52:08] <rob0> sounds like brute-force attacks, not unusual
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[16:54:49] <rob0> oh, it's an encrypted mech, do you have plaintext passwords stored?
[16:55:28] <rob0> Most sites these days go for PLAIN only, and require TLS to secure it.
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[17:11:23] <SipriusPT> no, all those passwords are being stored in an open directory
[17:12:06] <rob0> "no" what? Not plaintext?
[17:12:37] <rob0> if so, do away with the other mechs
[17:12:54] <rob0> !smtpd_tls_auth_only
[17:12:54] <knoba> rob0: "smtpd_tls_auth_only" : When TLS encryption is optional in the Postfix SMTP server, do not announce or accept SASL authentication over unencrypted connections.
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[17:13:12] <rob0> smtpd_tls_auth_only=yes
[17:13:49] <SipriusPT> ok let me see
[17:13:51] <SipriusPT> thanks rob0
[17:15:12] <rob0> Encrypted mechanisms MUST have access to plaintext passwords. You can't just use those at will, you must prepare for them properly. I'm sure this is covered in the Dovecot wiki.
[17:16:25] <jaybe> i use crammd5, unnecessarily, really.
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[17:18:14] <SipriusPT> didnt know it rob0, i am not sure about how my passwords are being storage because i have just set all my users through a GUI (server app from macosx)
[17:19:36] <SipriusPT> but those passwords are in fact being storage at this open directory
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[17:21:36] <jaybe> SipriusPT, OSX/MacOS Server presumably? often, enabling/toggling the option to accept 'all' or 'auto' mechanisms within the gui and a Mail restart will tidy up
[17:22:07] <jaybe> apple took some liberties with the native postfix infrastructure; don't expect friendliness or consistency or sanity
[17:22:11] <jaybe> </surprise>
[17:30:37] <SipriusPT> i know jaybe
[17:31:19] <jaybe> and even if/when you [think] you've [re]configured the native postfix install/configuration, ... just wait... and you'll learn, you actually... have not. ;p
[17:31:48] <rob0> the mechanism list is configured in Dovecot
[17:31:59] <SipriusPT> it was almost that xD
[17:32:14] <SipriusPT> but i have set it up and is working fine
[17:32:15] <jaybe> the gui/interface for osx server provides access to the mechanism there however
[17:32:29] <jaybe> just wait longer! :p
[17:32:35] <SipriusPT> so i think that i have learn something with this
[17:32:40] <jaybe> are you using the system postfix, or did you install an instance within your user space?
[17:33:02] <SipriusPT> i am using the default one from server app i think
[17:33:15] <SipriusPT> this macosx came to me just with server app installed
[17:33:15] <jaybe> and i believe osx/server leverages cyrus sasl for auth
[17:33:21] <SipriusPT> i have configure it
[17:33:22] <rob0> well, one thing to learn is to go to a support place for your GUI admin tool when it is the source of your issue
[17:33:50] <jaybe> it's designed to work with other [apple] devices and their [default] configurations [only] [kinda]
[17:33:55] <SipriusPT> rob0 the mail tab from this app is so ... limited
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[17:34:16] <SipriusPT> comparing with what i have encounter when i start configuring postfix
[17:34:32] <SipriusPT> and a lot more tools
[17:35:16] <jaybe> it's on purpose and by design, and makes sense for users that rely on such an environment
[17:35:27] <jaybe> you can do some reasonable tuning via `serveradmin`
[17:35:51] <SipriusPT> whats that serveradmin?
[17:36:08] <jaybe> command line tool/access to variables/configurations for apps/stuff
[17:36:09] <SipriusPT> yes apple ...
[17:36:13] <jaybe> somewhat like a registry
[17:36:25] <SipriusPT> i see
[17:36:28] <SipriusPT> i will investigate
[17:36:32] <jaybe> ++
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[23:20:38] <noby> hi
[23:21:01] <noby> is it possible to forward mail using external SMTP?
[23:22:07] <noby> currently it is only possible to forward if sender mailbox is the same as specified in smtp relay variable
[23:23:53] <noby> Sender address rejected: not owned by user ,.....
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[23:25:22] <noby> i want to forward all incoming mail with one smtp account
[23:25:28] <noby> plz hlp
[23:29:19] <jaybe> are you talking about a 'catch all' to catch any address @example.com domain?
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[23:31:09] <noby> virtual_aliases test at nob dot com mr.nob at gmail dot com
[23:31:33] <noby> i want to forward msg sent to test at nob dot cmo to mr.nob at gmail dot com
[23:31:39] <noby> using external SMTP
[23:31:40]
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[23:32:24] <noby> currently mails are forwarded only if the sender is the same as external SMTP user
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[23:32:40] <jaybe> relay?
[23:32:46] <noby> yes
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[23:36:48] <rob0> "not owned by user" is a Postfix error which means reject_((un)?authenticated)_sender_login_mismatch
[23:37:07] <rob0> If you don't want that feature, don't enable it.
[23:37:29] <rob0> also,
[23:37:32] <rob0> !mantras
[23:37:32] <knoba> rob0: "mantras" : 1. do not accept mail that you do not intend to deliver. 2. do not drop mail. 3. do not use wildcards or catchalls. 4. do not forward mail to outside/third party systems
[23:38:28] <noby> that error is response from external smtp
[23:38:36] <noby> relay
[23:43:04] <rob0> okay, then you have to use an authorized username and sender address. Talk to the provider for help.
[23:49:52] <noby> what is the point of relaying messages through another server if it only can relay mail which is sent by owner?
[23:50:22] <rob0> hmm?
[23:51:07] <rob0> If you're using someone else's service, you have to abide by the rules they set. I didn't set this up for you so I can't answer why it was done that way.
[23:51:26] <noby> it relays messages sent to any of vmail_aliases if they are sent by smtp account owner
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