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[02:36:24] <djgerm> Hi hello! I would like to configure postfix to disconnect an SMTP client after they send X number of emails, (it's a smart host relay setup, but because it's keeping connections open indefinitely, and the client is never closing them, the load balancer in front of it isn't actually load balancing new connections)
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[02:38:03] <djgerm> maybe default_recipient_limit ?
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[02:43:15] <djgerm> oh but…. smtpd_client_event_limit_exceptions over rides other config changes that would impact $mynetworks by default… so i'd have to change that too….
[02:50:56] <rob0> anvil(8) is a blunt tool. It might be what you want, but you could also consider using a policy daemon to keep count of mails sent per SASL user or client, and reject them when a limit is exceeded.
[02:51:24] <rob0> Both postfwd and cbpolicyd can do this.
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[02:52:25] <rob0> Also, a single policy daemon could serve a load balanced farm, so all nodes know when to reject a certain user or client.
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[09:08:10] <UncleKiwi> hi there im using dovecot for pop3s and imaps i want to configure smtp with the same cert any suggestions on where i start
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[09:50:55] <pj> !tls
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<knoba> pj: "tls" : Transport Layer Security (RFC2246). Previously known as SSL, TLS adds a layer of encryption to protocols such as SMTP, submission, IMAP or POP3 to improve security during transmission over the Internet. TLS is implemented using the STARTTLS method, while the non-standard wrapper style of implementation is deprecated at this point. See http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html for more info.
[09:51:02] <pj> UncleKiwi: ^^^^^^
[10:10:47] <UncleKiwi> thanks pj
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[10:44:52] <_val_> Hi. I'm reading about postscreen(8) and see the following: "As the first layer, postscreen(8) blocks connections from zombies and other spambots that are responsible for about 90% of all spam. It is implemented as a single process to make this defense as inexpensive as possible." This is done based on what? How are these zombies recognized?
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[10:46:44] <survietamine> hello, I'm guessing you read that from the postscreen readme.
[10:46:56] <survietamine> Then, didn't you see also "The basic idea behind postscreen(8)"
[10:47:24] <survietamine> postscreen(8) uses a variety of measurements to recognize zombies. First, postscreen(8) determines if the remote SMTP client IP address is blacklisted. Second, postscreen(8) looks for protocol compromises that are made to speed up delivery. These are good indicators for making is-a-zombie decisions based on single measurements.
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[10:51:28] <_val_> survietamine: again, "...determines if the remote SMTP client IP address is blacklisted". Where is this information retrieved from?
[10:51:49] <_val_> Is this from spamhaus/spamcop..?
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[10:53:46] <survietamine> yes, from DNSBL you configured
[10:55:24] <survietamine> it's all detailed in the readme, I just followed each step
[10:56:55] <survietamine> postscreen doesn't decide if it will be from spamhaus, spamcop or whatever list, you decide it by configuring it
[10:57:13] <survietamine> rob0 gave an example
[10:57:23] <survietamine> !postscreen
[10:57:34] <survietamine> oh, not in this factoid
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[10:58:18] <survietamine> !cheatsheet
[10:59:26] <survietamine> lol
[10:59:29] <survietamine> !rob0
[10:59:29] <knoba> survietamine: "rob0" : a pathetic bot that reacts to newly joined users with reciting the !basic and !standard factoids
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[11:00:38] <survietamine> !Dominian
[11:00:38] <knoba> survietamine: "Dominian" : A bot that has memorized all of knoba's factoids, and can spit them out faster than rob0
[11:07:54] <sysmonk> !sysmonk
[11:07:54] <knoba> sysmonk: "sysmonk" : evil
[11:08:05] <sysmonk> good. nothing changed.
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[13:21:09] <Dominian> !rob0
[13:21:09] <knoba> Dominian: "rob0" : a pathetic bot that reacts to newly joined users with reciting the !basic and !standard factoids
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[17:13:47] <thumbs> Madda[away]: away nicknames suck
[17:14:39] <rob0> thumbs
[17:14:47] <thumbs> rob0: hello
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[17:28:05] <ntnlzr> in amavis or postfix there is a way to bypass spam controls if user is authenticated?
[17:28:38] <ntnlzr> i got some mail from local user in spam folder
[17:35:03] <Madda> @ntnlzr Using @local_domains_acl could be an option ?
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[17:40:31] <lunaphyte> ntnlzr: don't use a content filter on your submission service
[17:40:32] <thumbs> lunaphyte: I will murder you.
[17:40:38] <Madda> lol
[17:40:43] <rob0> what is the reason for wanting to do this? If you have Windows users, it's not uncommon for them to get infected and start spewing spam -- through your server!
[17:41:11] <lunaphyte> thumbs: that sounds awful :(
[17:41:37] <thumbs> lunaphyte: such if my hatred for away nicknames.
[17:41:40] <thumbs> *is
[17:42:38] <rob0> It's probably not a good idea to bypass content filtering for submitting users, because rate and content are the only ways you can detect such malware at work.
[17:42:49] <rob0> (sending rate)
[17:42:51] <lunaphyte> i agree
[17:42:57] <lunaphyte> what's the actual problem?
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[17:43:22] <rob0> Also, ^^ actual problem, is content filtering causing too much of a burden on the system?
[17:43:54] <rob0> If so you need more servers, split out incoming MX from submission outbound.
[17:44:28] <rob0> so at the least, you're looking at the problem the wrong way.
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[17:48:08] <_bt> is it possible or wise to reject invalid helo with a permanent error code rather than a temporary one?
[17:49:38] <rob0> Invalid HELO is pretty solid as a spam sign. If a real server's using an invalid HELO, it needs to be fixed, so reject it.
[17:49:50] <_bt> i am rejecting it at the moment
[17:49:57] <_bt> but it rejects with 450 and the spammer just tries over and over
[17:50:00] <rob0> I doubt most MTA software is capable of sending an invalid HELO.
[17:50:19] <_bt> is there not a 5xx code that it can be rejected with as a permanent error?
[17:50:47] <rob0> I don't have a magical way to see why yours is not 5xx.
[17:50:57] <_bt> hmm so you're saying it should be?!
[17:51:09] <rob0> That is a definite maybe.
[17:51:59] <_bt> postfix/smtpd[866]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from webmail.bsk.gen.tr[95.0.81.178]: 450 4.7.1 <bskist-chb-01.bsk.local>: Helo command rejected: Host not
[17:51:59] <_bt> found; from=<bmw.awards at usa dot org> to=<xxxxx> proto=ESMTP helo=<bskist-chb-01.bsk.local>
[17:52:16] <rob0> that's not invalid
[17:52:25] <rob0> it's "unknown"
[17:52:28] <_bt> ahaha
[17:52:32] <_bt> okay, same question then
[17:52:52] <rob0> It's a bad idea to reject unknown HELO hostnames
[17:53:43] <rob0> Many MSexchange sites have the server behind NAT, and it's quite common for them to use an unknown HELO hostname.
[17:53:50] <tuxick> really? i do that all the time
[17:53:55] <_bt> tough shit for them then i guess
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[17:54:12] <rob0> Also, some large senders have outbound farms where HELO might not resolve.
[17:54:24] <rob0> Up to you. Have fun.
[17:54:37] <_bt> ill disable that , and lets see what happens
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[17:56:12] <_bt> done
[17:58:53] <_bt> haha well that persistant spammer above now got perm rejected for SPF failure
[18:00:11] <ntnlzr> tnx lunaphyte
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[18:11:40] <_bt> out of interest rob0 do you reject on no reverse hostname?
[18:13:51] <rob0> yes. I discovered once when my own rDNS failed that it's very common to reject for no PTR. Many big receivers including gmail would not take my mail. So I figure it's safe.
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[18:20:00] <_bt> and...AOL
[18:20:01] <_bt> heh
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[19:01:02] <rob0> AOL has a pretty well-run postmaster department, actually, despite what you might think.
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