January 15, 2017 
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January 15, 2017 [00:01:55] *** ice9 <ice9!~ice99@unaffiliated/ice9> has joined #postfix[00:02:11] <ice9> if i restarted postfix service while there are queued mails, will they get lost?[00:04:39] <pj> ice9: no[00:05:01] <ice9> what should be the permissions on mail.log?[00:05:13] <ice9> i'm getting "Failed to write to log file"[00:06:55] <pj> what is showing that? You're seeing it when you start postfix?[00:07:12] <ice9> pj, i see it in /var/log/mail.log[00:07:35] <ice9> i removed that file then created it again with postfix user as owner but now i doesn't log anything to it[00:07:40] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[00:07:55] <ice9> it was logging that message when it's trying to receive an email[00:07:58] <pj> ice9: postfix should not own that file, postfix doesn't actually write to it.[00:08:11] <pj> postfix writes to your syslog daemon, it's syslog that writes taht file.[00:08:47] <pj> also rather strange that it can write to the log file to tell you can't write to the log file.[00:09:20] <ice9> pj, it didn't specify which log file it wasn't able to write to, but i was seeing this in mail.log[00:09:41] <pj> you were seeing what exactly in mail.log, then?[00:09:53] <ice9> yes[00:10:45] <ice9> now i set the permisisons to rw for all but i don't see any log in it, for mail.log[00:11:26] <pj> oh god[00:11:39] <pj> please stop, you have no idea what you're doing and are likely making things worse.[00:11:41] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[00:11:54] <ice9> right haha[00:12:16] <pj> what *exactly* are you seeign in your log file?[00:12:38] <ice9> now, nothing[00:13:13] <pj> well, as I said before logging is done by syslog, so this is actualyl not going to be a postfix issue.[00:13:25] <pj> go ask in the channel for your distro.[00:13:29] <ice9> i see thanks[00:15:33] <ice9> pj, one last thing, where the queued mail are stored, as if i restarted postfix service, they won't disappear?[00:15:45] <pj> ice9: no[00:22:15] <ice9> pj, please tell me what's the default permissions for mail.log just to set it as it should be[00:23:27] <pj> ice9: as I already said, mail.log is not a file that has anything to do with postfix, it is created by and written by your syslog daemon.[00:29:22] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[00:31:42] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[00:39:43] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[00:42:20] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[00:42:21] *** wild3 <wild3!~wild3@unaffiliated/wild3> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[00:42:38] <ice9> pj, i understand your point but if the problem with syslog iteself, it wouldn't be able to write to mail.log; also i'm seeing " (temporary failure. Command output: Failed to write to log file)" in syslog which a complain by the mail delivery agent[00:42:54] <ice9> and everytime i try to flush the queue, i get the same erro message in syslog and mail.log[00:46:26] *** Death_rattle <Death_rattle!~death@p200300868A7912010000000000000003.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Quit: bye)[01:01:25] *** mactimes is now known as mactimes_[01:05:14] <lunaphyte> what mda are you using?[01:08:53] *** chb <chb!~chb@unixboard/mod/chb> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[01:18:03] *** bolt <bolt!r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has quit IRC (Quit: telnet irc.freenode.net 6667)[01:19:41] *** bolt <bolt!r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has joined #postfix[01:38:51] *** AREyouTHEone <AREyouTHEone!~AREyouTHE@unaffiliated/areyoutheone> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[01:39:24] *** ice9 <ice9!~ice99@unaffiliated/ice9> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:47:33] *** PHPanos <PHPanos!~textual@c-192371d5.035-201-73746f28.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Anywhere.)[02:07:32] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:07:51] *** ceptor <ceptor!~paul@zom.bi> has joined #postfix[02:29:20] *** bolt <bolt!r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has joined #postfix[02:30:15] *** bolt <bolt!r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:32:43] *** markc <markc!~markc@CPE-124-191-100-245.wxrb1.lon.bigpond.net.au> has joined #postfix[02:41:37] *** ek <ek!ek@freebsd/contributor/ek> has quit IRC (Quit: Brb.)[02:42:08] *** ek <ek!ek@freebsd/contributor/ek> has joined #postfix[02:45:33] *** bolt <bolt!r00t@unaffiliated/bolt> has joined #postfix[03:44:45] *** moss <moss!moss@fsf/member/moss> has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 1.7-dev)[03:49:42] *** Phoenixz <Phoenixz!~quassel@187-163-219-201.static.axtel.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[03:50:17] *** moss <moss!moss@fsf/member/moss> has joined #postfix[04:07:59] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[04:12:29] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[04:22:09] *** mactimes_ is now known as mactimes[04:25:53] *** mactimes is now known as mactimes_[04:27:10] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)[04:28:09] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[04:30:53] *** swc|666 <swc|666!~sdub@Aircrack-NG/Friend> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[04:32:33] *** swc|666 <swc|666!~sdub@Aircrack-NG/Friend> has joined #postfix[04:46:05] *** freepe_ <freepe_!~quassel@186.19.14.37.dynamic.jazztel.es> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[05:08:46] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[05:13:41] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[05:32:26] *** bobnormal <bobnormal!~user@202.98.73.89> has joined #postfix[05:33:12] <bobnormal> hi all. been awhile since i configured one of these. right now i am getting error messages on outbound including “relay=<some server>” but i haven’t configured any outbound relay server. is this coming from DNS or something? hugely confused[05:36:49] <rob0> That's definitely maybe the case.[05:41:35] <bobnormal> thanks. trying to simplify config and clear mail queue to test more clearly.[05:42:43] <bobnormal> server is in china. no reverse resolution on IP. will this prevent receipt of mail by many servers? i have SPF setup and plan to do DKIM etc[05:46:08] <rob0> yes, no PTR is going to hurt a lot[05:46:17] <rob0> !fcrdns[05:46:17] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : your IP address should resolve to $myhostname, which in turn should resolve back to your IP. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost[05:46:37] <bobnormal> ok. ISP is asleep right now, will hassle them tomorrow.[05:47:50] <bobnormal> is there such a thing as SMTP transparent proxying?[05:48:10] <bobnormal> just wondering[05:48:41] <bobnormal> i suppose it would fail due to encryption[05:50:42] <bobnormal> it was my back-of-mind theory about the sudden relay host appearing in the errors :)[05:51:45] <bobnormal> anyone have a URL for a complete sqlite3 alias table example? all the docs are partial and without manual quotes ‘%s’ in the query i get errors. wondering if i am nuts and should use DBM instead[05:53:07] <bobnormal> right now i am using: CREATE TABLE aliases(id rowid, change_from string(128), change_to string(128));[05:55:15] <bobnormal> query = SELECT change_to FROM users WHERE change_from='%s'[05:55:23] <bobnormal> s/users/aliases/[06:03:06] <bobnormal> OK. am i nuts? “mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/24” “mynetworks_style = host” but telnet localhost “MAIL FROM: root at server dot fqdn” “RCPT TO: user at otherhost dot net” results in “Relay access denied” … why?[06:12:58] <bobnormal> is there an option for additional verbosity in internal processing (not external server interaction)?[06:20:21] <lunaphyte> mynetworks should really be empty[06:21:52] <bobnormal> yes i noticed it said it cancels out mynetworks_style=host. in fact i do want to accept messages from non-routable IPs running in virtual systems on this host as well, so i am afraid some further testing may be required and probably non-routable IP ranges originating on those virtual systems will need to be added. hence in anticipation of that control i am now using mynetworks instead of mynetworks_style[06:23:12] <bobnormal> is “relayhost =“ (ie. no value) a valid way to disable relayhost entirely?[06:25:14] <lunaphyte> mynetworks_style should also be omitted form your config[06:36:15] <bobnormal> i removed it and just have “mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8” now, as i plan to add “, 192.x.x.x/y” to support the virtual systems later[06:38:21] <lunaphyte> mynetworks should be empty[06:38:55] <lunaphyte> allowing relaying based on source ip address is foolish beginner behavior[06:40:51] *** JanC is now known as Guest24786[06:40:51] *** JanC_ <JanC_!~janc@lugwv/member/JanC> has joined #postfix[06:40:51] *** Guest24786 <Guest24786!~janc@lugwv/member/JanC> has quit IRC (Killed (adams.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)))[06:40:51] *** JanC_ is now known as JanC[06:43:22] <bobnormal> actually i decided inbound is not required (the purpose is to send outbound alerts from internal services) so closed off the listen on public interfaces[06:44:19] <bobnormal> given that, removing all of the ‘smtpd_recipient_restrictions’ stuff fixed my relaying permission issue, so it’s sorted now. thanks for your help[06:44:26] <bobnormal> beer time :)[06:44:29] *** bobnormal <bobnormal!~user@202.98.73.89> has quit IRC (Quit: guzzle...)[06:51:17] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[06:55:30] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[06:58:28] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[07:09:27] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[07:10:36] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[07:12:10] *** muh2000 <muh2000!~muh2000@unaffiliated/muh2000> has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!)[07:14:57] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[07:30:20] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[07:32:56] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[07:51:22] *** Poster|z <Poster|z!~poster@cpe-65-185-37-0.columbus.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[08:11:13] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[08:13:45] *** Motoko <Motoko!~maoyama@simplemachines/serverteam/Motoko> has joined #postfix[08:17:00] *** UncleKiwi <UncleKiwi!~UncleKiwi@unaffiliated/unclekiwi> has joined #postfix[08:17:36] *** Mac_Write <Mac_Write!~Mac@d23-16-13-251.bchsia.telus.net> has joined #postfix[08:17:52] <UncleKiwi> hello postfix people[08:28:37] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[09:00:38] *** Mac_Write <Mac_Write!~Mac@d23-16-13-251.bchsia.telus.net> has quit IRC (Quit: Linkinus - http://linkinus.com)[09:05:17] *** rsx <rsx!~dummy@ppp-93-104-59-47.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[09:06:36] *** UncleKiwi <UncleKiwi!~UncleKiwi@unaffiliated/unclekiwi> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:10:03] *** mcfate <mcfate!~textual@174-134-145-16.res.bhn.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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