January 13, 2017 
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January 13, 2017 [00:17:56] *** rsx <rsx!~dummy@ppp-93-104-48-240.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has joined #postfix[00:18:49] *** PHPanos <PHPanos!~textual@c-192371d5.035-201-73746f28.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se> has quit IRC (Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[00:24:48] *** rsx <rsx!~dummy@ppp-93-104-48-240.dynamic.mnet-online.de> has quit IRC (Quit: rsx)[00:33:28] *** velus <velus!~velus@185.69.145.71> has joined #postfix[00:34:14] *** mactimes is now known as mactimes_[00:34:30] <velus> what encryption can be used in mysql for the postifx system? im wanting to upgrade the mail securityt[00:38:02] *** ouba <ouba!~ouba@4aa54-6-88-168-231-68.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[00:42:58] <audiodef> velus: I think that's handled by postfix, cyrus, dovecot, etc., when they use CRAM-MD5 and such, not my mysql.[00:43:50] <velus> which would be the best to use, im using mysql ENCRYPT atm but want something more secure[00:43:59] <audiodef> velus: If Postfix is on the same server as mysql, it should be connecting through localhost, anyway, so no security between Postfix and Mysql is necessary - just between remote clients and Postfix/smtp.[00:45:06] <velus> between mysql and postfix is not the problem its the passowrd for the emails that is, for the password im using ENCRYPT but i want something more secure[00:46:23] <lunaphyte> if you want something more secure, then you should not be using mysql[00:46:47] <velus> i need to use mysql though[00:47:01] <lunaphyte> i doubt it[00:47:07] <lunaphyte> why do you think you need ot use mysql[00:47:18] <audiodef> velus: Using CRAM-MD5 and starttls and ssl/tls is reasonably good security.[00:47:18] <lunaphyte> the proper technology to use, to be secure, is ldap. not sql[00:47:21] <velus> what other way could i use a virtual mail system then?[00:47:32] <lunaphyte> velus: you are very confused[00:47:44] <lunaphyte> mysql has nothing at all to do with a "virtual" mail system[00:47:54] <velus> im currently using ssl/tsl and how would i implement CRAM-MD5 in mysql[00:48:04] <lunaphyte> the two are wholly unrelated[00:48:15] <audiodef> velus: I'm guessing you're using Mysql to store user information. Security is handled by using secure connections. The strength of your password isn't handled at all by Mysql.[00:48:32] <velus> i need virtual mail boxes, and also i need to be able to have more than one domain[00:48:51] <lunaphyte> and heavens no, using cram-md5 is absolutely *not* reasonably good security[00:49:11] <lunaphyte> velus: yes, it's perfectly possible to do all of that without sql[00:49:15] <audiodef> velus: I just wrote this guide. You should be able to transfer the steps to any other Linux system: https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1057474.html[00:49:21] <velus> the strength is handled my mysql its being encrypted with ENCRYPT in mysql which sets how secure the encryption[00:49:27] <lunaphyte> ugh. yet another guide :([00:49:39] <audiodef> lunaphyte: Manners. :-)[00:49:53] <lunaphyte> the postfix community needs more guides like it needs a hole in the head[00:50:17] <lunaphyte> if that offends you, it's unfortunate. however, it is true.[00:51:25] <lunaphyte> there is confusion in that guide :([00:51:34] <lunaphyte> between cyrus and dovecot, for one[00:51:51] <lunaphyte> also bad advice wrt to using dovecot deliver :([00:51:58] <lunaphyte> [this is why guides are not good][00:52:04] <rob0> ouch, that's hard to read in a widescreen lynx :)[00:52:27] *** velus <velus!~velus@185.69.145.71> has left #postfix ("Leaving")[00:56:03] <rob0> Oh, indeed, the Cyrus/Dovecot confusion is unfortunate[00:56:39] <rob0> audiodef, if you're using Dovecot you probably do not need Cyrus SASL at all.[00:57:22] *** ouba <ouba!~ouba@4aa54-6-88-168-231-68.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #postfix[00:57:28] <rob0> The one exception is if you're having to use client SASL, and in that case, you probably shouldn't be running a MTA at all.[00:57:59] *** aqua^c <aqua^c!~aqua@114.111.60.64> has joined #postfix[00:58:02] <audiodef> rob0: Yeah. I checked my dependencies, and other stuff is using it, so I left it there.[00:58:32] <audiodef> rob0: What would I use for SMTP in place of Postfix, though?[01:00:00] <rob0> are you using client SASL? If so the Cyrus "smtpd.conf" file is not used anyway.[01:00:56] <audiodef> rob0: I think so. I don't think my /etc/sasl2/smtpd.conf is used for anything, it's still at it's default install settings.[01:01:00] *** Cerise <Cerise!jerry@devzero.info> has joined #postfix[01:01:00] *** Cerise <Cerise!jerry@devzero.info> has quit IRC (Changing host)[01:01:00] *** Cerise <Cerise!jerry@unaffiliated/cerise> has joined #postfix[01:01:16] <audiodef> rob0: Hoo, boy, you're right about reading that guide in Lynx. Not prettty. :-([01:01:42] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@p50995cae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[01:01:42] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@p50995cae.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Changing host)[01:01:42] *** sarri <sarri!~sari@unaffiliated/sarri> has joined #postfix[01:01:54] <audiodef> rob0: But that might be the format of the site, not sure that can be helped.[01:02:33] <lunaphyte> if you are using dovecot, at all, then you should be using dovecot for sasl. not cyrus.[01:03:00] <lunaphyte> subsequently, if you are not using cyrus for sasl, then there is no need for any sort of /etc/sasl2/smtpd.conf[01:03:41] <lunaphyte> see, this is the thing. there's not time to chase around every misguided guide and badger the author to correct all of the problems[01:07:43] *** puzzled <puzzled!~puzzled@2001:982:1097:1::1:3> has joined #postfix[01:14:08] *** audiodef_ <audiodef_!~quassel@static.207.9.4.46.clients.your-server.de> has joined #postfix[01:17:03] *** audiodef <audiodef!~audiodef@2601:151:8300:ab10:cc90:41d0:e672:548> has quit IRC (Quit: Running away)[01:26:05] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:37:21] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10:6441:704a:935a:dbb6> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye.)[01:55:27] *** pingouin <pingouin!~pingouin@94.242.243.181> has quit IRC (Quit: Read Chomsky, Bourdieu !)[01:55:33] *** SelfishMan <SelfishMan!~SelfishMa@47.185.209.94> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[01:58:49] *** parasite_ <parasite_!~parasite@mar75-4-82-230-46-11.fbx.proxad.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:10:00] *** aqua^c <aqua^c!~aqua@114.111.60.64> has quit IRC ()[02:11:41] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Quit: inabit. zz.)[02:20:19] *** SelfishMan <SelfishMan!~SelfishMa@47.185.209.94> has joined #postfix[02:21:42] *** SelfishMan <SelfishMan!~SelfishMa@47.185.209.94> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:32:06] *** velus <velus!~velus@185.69.145.71> has joined #postfix[02:32:06] *** velus <velus!~velus@185.69.145.71> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:32:06] *** leprechau <leprechau!lfwksb93y1@c-67-187-127-110.hsd1.tn.comcast.net> has quit IRC (Excess Flood)[02:32:19] *** leprechau <leprechau!kqnwq8620p@c-67-187-127-110.hsd1.tn.comcast.net> has joined #postfix[02:32:27] *** velus <velus!~velus@185.69.145.71> has joined #postfix[02:33:33] <velus> hello i spoke before and well i still need advice, is there an alternative of usuing ENCRYPT in mysql to secure the user password? i dont want to change off mysql i want to keep mysql but i want to change the encryption of the password[02:35:38] <lunaphyte> you may not want to hear it, but the real answer to "how do i securely store passwords" is: use ldap.[02:36:03] <rob0> did you ask in #mysql or similar channel for your database software? Postfix has nothing to do with passwords. This might be more on topic for your imapd channel.[02:36:06] <lunaphyte> that said, regarding your literal question, that would be a question for a channel like #mysql. not #postfix[02:37:06] *** axisys_ <axisys_!~axisys@ip68-98-177-162.dc.dc.cox.net> has joined #postfix[02:37:51] *** axisys_ <axisys_!~axisys@ip68-98-177-162.dc.dc.cox.net> has quit IRC (Client Quit)[02:38:02] <pj> that's actually more of a question related to dovecot or cyrus. The db just stores data, whether that data is encrypted or not is up to the app that reads it.[02:38:21] <rob0> yes, I suppose that's right[02:38:27] *** axisys_ <axisys_!~axisys@ip68-98-177-162.dc.dc.cox.net> has joined #postfix[02:38:43] <lunaphyte> not exactly[02:38:50] *** axisys <axisys!~axisys@unaffiliated/axisys> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[02:39:18] <lunaphyte> mysql has encryption functions, that might be used[02:39:41] <lunaphyte> the program would have to be compatible in some manner, of course, yes[02:39:42] <pj> well there are encryption functions in some dbs (such as the mentioned ENCRYPT in mysql) but tbh I would not bother to use them. Just use your db as a db and do your encryption in your SASL server.[02:40:14] <pj> the db can just see a string and not care if that string is encrypted data or plain text data.[02:40:36] <lunaphyte> i'd consider that sage advice[02:41:02] <lunaphyte> [within the context of ignoring the fundamental advice that passwords simply do not belong in sql databases, period][02:42:04] <rob0> Another thing that might be mentioned here: people who are just beginning in mail admin can usually keep it simpler by using system users and local(8) delivery. We don't all have to be gmail![02:42:17] <pj> yes, very true[02:42:28] <lunaphyte> i tried that a bit earlier[02:42:34] <lunaphyte> it wasn't well received :([02:42:37] <rob0> haha[02:42:42] <rob0> I was out[02:43:17] <pj> it's not a big deal, imo, postfix does virtual mailboxes just fine, it's just one more layer of complexity, though, and it pays to start out simple.[02:43:39] <pj> anyways, I have to go[02:43:44] <velus> the problem with users and local(8), is that 1 i have more than one domain, and two there will be users comming and going when i get this sorted[02:44:19] <rob0> that's not really a problem, but whatever[02:44:23] <rob0> !virtual[02:44:23] <knoba> rob0: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and mailboxes that do not require individual system accounts. See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html[02:50:33] *** Death_rattle <Death_rattle!~death@p5494E513.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[02:51:02] *** Deathrattle <Deathrattle!~death@p200300868A0C9B010000000000000003.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[02:52:48] <velus> it seems that courier dont allow for more than just encrypt[02:54:19] <pj> you would have to ask them.[02:54:27] <pj> and postfix doesn't support courier for SASL.[02:55:43] *** ptx0 <ptx0!~cheesus_c@megatron.tripleback.net> has joined #postfix[02:55:45] *** ptx0 <ptx0!~cheesus_c@megatron.tripleback.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[02:55:45] *** ptx0 <ptx0!~cheesus_c@unaffiliated/ptx0> has joined #postfix[02:56:27] <velus> i might need to get someone to change me from courier to dovecot[02:56:31] <rjsalts> I thought courier had their own thing[03:11:24] <rob0> Courier does not have SASL like Dovecot, but Cyrus SASL can use Courier's authdaemon.[03:16:33] *** gu1lle_ 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#postfix[09:45:09] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[09:46:51] *** joulez is now known as joules[09:55:51] *** stenrose <stenrose!~stenrose@martin.ilait.se> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[09:56:06] <krzyzaq> hi, what will happens when I would set in smtp_generic_maps an match: usr1 at extdomain dot pl usr1 at homedomain dot pl and someone from domedomain.pl will send e-mail to the usr1 at extdomain dot pl? Will it rewrite the address from extdomain.pl to homedomain.pl?[09:57:32] <krzyzaq> or can this be achieved by using relocated_maps (but in this case I would not like sender to receive the rejected msg)[10:01:29] *** PHPanos <PHPanos!~textual@h-55-226.a137.corp.bahnhof.se> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[10:14:49] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[10:20:16] *** stenrose <stenrose!~stenrose@martin.ilait.se> has joined #postfix[10:28:21] *** namix <namix!~namix@unaffiliated/namix> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[10:31:03] *** namix <namix!~namix@unaffiliated/namix> has joined #postfix[10:41:14] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[10:45:54] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[10:57:11] *** markus_e92 <markus_e92!~markus_e9@91-115-21-204.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit 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ZZZzzz…)[15:14:14] *** ExoUNX <ExoUNX!~ExoUNX@unaffiliated/exounx> has joined #postfix[15:19:29] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@7.41.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[15:19:32] *** pti-jean___ <pti-jean___!~quassel@7.41.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has joined #postfix[15:23:05] *** PHPanos <PHPanos!~textual@h-55-226.a137.corp.bahnhof.se> has joined #postfix[15:36:50] *** muh2000_ <muh2000_!~quassel@prx1.ernw.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[15:38:20] <Olipro> if I have a virtual_alias_map that maps user at domain dot tld to simply "user" - how can I then ensure it passes that, as-is to the virtual transport?[15:45:15] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[15:48:53] *** Embassy <Embassy!~Embassy@41.193.220.26> has joined #postfix[15:49:39] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[15:50:26] *** puzzled <puzzled!~puzzled@2001:982:1097:1::1:3> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[15:54:25] *** karelk <karelk!~karel@31.10.149.26> has joined #postfix[16:00:10] *** krzyzaq <krzyzaq!~krzyzaq@floppy.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:03:57] *** daynaskully <daynaskully!~digifiv5e@unaffiliated/daynaskully> has quit IRC (Quit: quit)[16:05:55] <lunaphyte> Olipro: "user" is not a valid email address.[16:06:11] <lunaphyte> also, virtual_alias_maps has nothing to do with the virtual transport[16:07:02] <Olipro> lunaphyte: of course - so once it's reduced to just "user" - does that become local delivery?[16:07:40] <lunaphyte> you've got it backwards[16:08:15] <lunaphyte> if user at example dot com is handled by local(8), *then* it is "reduced" to just user[16:08:39] <lunaphyte> only local(8) "thinks" in terms of usernames[16:08:45] *** Oclairi <Oclairi!~Oclair@91-113-56-11.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[16:08:45] <Olipro> ah[16:10:11] *** Oclair <Oclair!~Oclair@91-115-53-134.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[16:13:46] *** sphenxes01 <sphenxes01!~sphenxes@213-33-13-24.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[16:17:08] *** sphenxes <sphenxes!~sphenxes@194.118.245.163> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[16:17:17] *** sphenxes <sphenxes!~sphenxes@81-5-240-170.hdsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[16:17:24] *** sphenxes02 <sphenxes02!~sphenxes@194-118-245-163.hdsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[16:27:20] *** markus_e92 <markus_e92!~markus_e9@91-115-157-116.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[16:28:32] *** markus_e92 <markus_e92!~markus_e9@62-46-102-224.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[16:30:32] *** daynaskully <daynaskully!~digifiv5e@unaffiliated/daynaskully> has joined #postfix[16:32:04] *** dka <dka!~dka@118.69.28.15> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[16:32:41] <Olipro> lunaphyte: OK, so say the virtual alias map rewrites to an address that's considered local[16:32:55] <Olipro> the e-mail then passes through local(8) right?[16:33:04] <lunaphyte> yes[16:33:40] <Olipro> OK, so what do I need to do at that point to have it pass over to my mailbox_transport with just the user?[16:33:53] <Olipro> right now it passes it to it in the form of user at local dot tld[16:35:13] *** Embassy <Embassy!~Embassy@41.193.220.26> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving...)[16:36:56] <lunaphyte> no more meta discussion please. time to reveal the actual problem[16:37:02] <lunaphyte> !tell Olipro getting_help[16:37:02] <knoba> Olipro: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[16:37:58] <rob0> I don't know. I have never actually used mailbox_transport, which is one of the more obscure features of local.[16:38:11] <rob0> but,[16:38:22] <rob0> !append_at_myorigin[16:38:22] <knoba> rob0: "append_at_myorigin" : Append the string"@$myorigin" to mail addresses without domain information. WARNING: do not change this without understanding what it means, see http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#append_at_myorigin[16:38:46] <rob0> ^^ This is what happens when you use an incomplete email address in your maps.[16:39:26] <lunaphyte> [do NOT misinterpret that answer as an excuse to use unqualified addresses][16:40:48] <rob0> *IF* $myorigin is in $mydestination, and it always will be, it will work, but it's always best to be sure.[16:41:46] <rob0> oh, but the question shows confusion. Nothing EVER goes to virtual_transport without a complete user@domain recipient address.[16:41:54] <lunaphyte> right[16:41:59] <lunaphyte> that's why it's time for actual data[16:42:17] <rob0> sorry, I just got to the computer :)[16:42:51] <lunaphyte> we wondered what took you so long![16:42:54] <survietamine> yeah, we all know you're newbie with computer relating :p[16:42:56] *** troys <troys!~troys@23-24-139-177-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #postfix[16:43:03] <survietamine> and especially to postfix :p[16:43:19] <rob0> but I hang out here and try to learn![16:43:21] <survietamine> eh, so you were on some mobile device?[16:43:42] <rob0> negative! Except insofar as a laptop is mobile.[16:43:44] <Olipro> well,, I've got nothing actually working, so perhaps it's better if I state the goal:[16:44:14] <lunaphyte> even with nothing working, !getting_help still ned to be followed[16:44:37] *** guver <guver!~Thunderbi@ip-80-113-31-106.ip.prioritytelecom.net> has quit IRC (Quit: guver)[16:44:37] <Olipro> basically, maintain a DB table that does a lookup on the entire e-mail provided in an incoming mail, map that to a plain username and then pass to an LMTP transport (in this case, cyrus)[16:44:58] *** muh2000_ <muh2000_!~quassel@prx1.ernw.net> has joined #postfix[16:45:00] <Olipro> the reason for that being that cyrus has the mailboxes in the form of just <username>[16:45:21] <rob0> oh, cyrus LMTP can't be told to discard a domain?[16:45:29] <Olipro> good question[16:45:59] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[16:48:20] <survietamine> lol, that your real problem?[16:48:44] <survietamine> weekend for me, good luck[16:48:50] <Olipro> hm, well if Cyrus can do it, I'm not seeing it[16:50:51] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[16:53:35] *** parasite_ <parasite_!~parasite@mar75-4-82-230-46-11.fbx.proxad.net> has joined #postfix[17:06:58] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@10-249-16-190.fibertel.com.ar> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:16:48] *** synthroi_ <synthroi_!~synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[17:17:45] <Olipro> surely there's a way to have postfix pass it unqualified[17:21:05] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[17:30:07] <rob0> I'm not so sure of that, no. The only thing I know to try, mentioned above, is likely to break things if you set it to "no".[17:44:59] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[17:45:18] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[17:51:05] *** infides_afk <infides_afk!~infides@p5B167D1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[17:54:19] <Zerberus> Olipro: if you haven't enabled virtdomain in cyrus.conf, then the mailbox name in cyrus-imapd is just the one you created there[17:56:27] *** max-m <max-m!~max-m@2a01:4f8:120:21d3:1337:242:ac11:2> has joined #postfix[17:57:04] *** TimWolla <TimWolla!~timwolla@2a01:4f8:120:21d3:1337:242:ac11:2> has joined #postfix[17:59:19] *** infides_afk <infides_afk!~infides@p5B167D1F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)[18:03:59] *** mcfate <mcfate!~textual@174-134-145-16.res.bhn.net> has joined #postfix[18:05:14] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[18:06:08] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has joined #postfix[18:12:50] *** pburrows <pburrows!~pburrows@82-69-115-244.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:35:40] *** PHPanos <PHPanos!~textual@h-55-226.a137.corp.bahnhof.se> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[18:36:10] *** Phoenixz <Phoenixz!~quassel@187-163-219-201.static.axtel.net> has joined #postfix[18:39:30] *** JanC_ <JanC_!~janc@lugwv/member/JanC> has joined #postfix[18:40:46] *** JanC <JanC!~janc@lugwv/member/JanC> has quit IRC (Killed (verne.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)))[18:40:46] *** JanC_ is now known as JanC[18:46:20] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@181.167.195.114> has joined #postfix[18:47:43] *** MacWinner <MacWinner!~Blah@192.77.239.202> has quit IRC (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com)[18:55:18] *** sphenxes <sphenxes!~sphenxes@81-5-240-170.hdsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[18:57:35] *** davidw <davidw!~davidw@apache/committer/davidw> has joined #postfix[19:02:58] *** xelly is now known as jelly[19:03:40] *** Section1 <Section1!~section1@190.195.71.40> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:12:52] *** Death_rattle <Death_rattle!~death@p200300868A0C6A010000000000000002.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[19:18:10] *** Death_rattle <Death_rattle!~death@p200300868A0C6A010000000000000002.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:19:53] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[19:21:49] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[19:22:15] *** Death_rattle <Death_rattle!~death@p200300868A0C6A010000000000000002.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[19:29:15] *** pti-jean___ <pti-jean___!~quassel@7.41.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[20:49:52] *** krzyzaq <krzyzaq!~krzyzaq@178-36-97-149.adsl.inetia.pl> has joined #postfix[21:01:19] *** krzyzaq <krzyzaq!~krzyzaq@178-36-97-149.adsl.inetia.pl> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[21:08:20] *** timofonic <timofonic!~timofonic@unaffiliated/timofonic> has joined #postfix[21:08:23] <timofonic> Hi[21:09:00] <timofonic> not sure if I would need a full MTA+MDA. I need to make a single user solution (myself) to fetch all emails from different accounts and able to work with five accounts with +700K messages. What can I use?[21:12:30] <rob0> getmail and possibly a local imapd such as Dovecot?[21:27:00] <timofonic> rob0: I now found isync and offlineimap, but not sure if would be able to manage such high volume of emails :P[21:27:10] <timofonic> rob0: Uhm[21:31:55] *** troys is now known as troys_[21:43:05] *** mcfate <mcfate!~textual@174-134-145-16.res.bhn.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[21:56:58] <Pies> timofonic: depends what you're trying to do, but for me dovecot on server with 2G ram (512M per process, 256M was a bit too small for this folder) and decent (but not ssd) disks is able to manage folder with 140k mails[21:58:29] <Pies> just first opening can be a bit slow, as it has to check every mail - but you will have to do it anyway for downloading. I use MailDir on btrfs[22:00:20] *** sphenxes02 <sphenxes02!~sphenxes@81-5-240-170.hdsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[22:03:14] *** sphenxes01 <sphenxes01!~sphenxes@213-33-13-24.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[22:06:50] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[22:10:15] *** Death_rattle <Death_rattle!~death@p200300868A0C6A010000000000000002.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[22:13:54] *** gongoputch <gongoputch!~kseel@freebsd/op/gongoputch> has joined #postfix[22:14:57] <timofonic> Pies: What about a mere laptop? :'([22:16:25] <Pies> timofonic: depends on laptop - but I believe if you'll give 1.5-2G per process (and have such amount free) and have ssd drive - then you shouldn't have problem[22:17:23] <Pies> those "decent" disk aren't really so decent - machines are weaker then normal laptop, but "it's complicated"[22:17:33] <timofonic> Pies: I see[22:17:44] <Pies> for sure normal ssd will overpower them[22:23:47] <timofonic> I would love to add three SSDs in RAID here, it would make the system a lot better[22:25:23] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)[22:26:18] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@181.167.195.114> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[22:29:57] *** Xentil <Xentil!~quassel@ip-46-21-210-22.nette.pl> has joined #postfix[22:31:38] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[22:40:30] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/synthroid> has quit IRC ()[22:45:09] *** troys_ is now known as troys[22:45:32] *** troys is now known as troys_[22:45:34] *** troys_ is now known as troys[22:46:33] *** pingouin <pingouin!~pingouin@94.242.243.189> has joined #postfix[22:50:58] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@201.22.86.124.static.gvt.net.br> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[22:58:03] *** ExoUNX <ExoUNX!~ExoUNX@unaffiliated/exounx> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[23:03:07] *** n-st <n-st!~n-st@unaffiliated/n-st> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[23:11:26] *** gu1lle_ <gu1lle_!~Thunderbi@181.167.195.114> has joined #postfix[23:30:27] *** troys is now known as troys_[23:35:15] *** froz-gab <froz-gab!~froz-gab@93-35-63-42.ip53.fastwebnet.it> has joined #postfix[23:43:09] *** pingouin <pingouin!~pingouin@94.242.243.189> has quit IRC (Quit: Read Chomsky, Bourdieu !)[23:44:50] *** mxyzptlkfishstix <mxyzptlkfishstix!~mxyzptlkf@cpe-2606-A000-1503-C0EF-24C1-F2AA-EB10-5605.dyn6.twc.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)[23:56:46] *** mxyzptlkfishstix <mxyzptlkfishstix!~mxyzptlkf@cpe-2606-A000-1503-C0EF-4CF1-FB1A-1FBA-A3B9.dyn6.twc.com> has joined #postfix