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[11:38:51] <RobbinParrish_> Hello All, I am trying to implement a private email server setup for personal use and so I have configured one cyrus-imap server version 2.5.9-2 on ubuntu-16.10 amd64 bit system. I am using this system as my imap server.
[11:38:59] <RobbinParrish_> Along with this imap I have also configured a smtp server on different machine with the same host configurations with postfix version 3.1.0-5. I have created a user on imap and postfix using the same saslauthd mechanism and tested manually to login in from both command line and Thunderbird client and its working fine.
[11:39:04] <RobbinParrish_> I am getting a weird issue regarding to receiving emails on the IMAP server using postfix. I cannot receive any email send from the postfix machine, however i can send any email to my other email address like gmail or else. So its make me thinks that my postfix configuration should be correct.
[11:39:12] <RobbinParrish_> So its looks to me is that somehow cyrus doesn't working with the postfix or postfix not able to send email to cyrus.
[11:39:21] <RobbinParrish_> A little help or pointer will be a great help as I am stuck here from last few days and searched a lot on forums but couldn't make it work.
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[11:44:50] <RobbinParrish_> In the postfix logs the main log line is making me nervous is, whenever I am sending an email to my cyrus email address is - postfix/smtp[3891]: 6A4CA1FFF96: to=<myemailaddress at my-domain dot com>, relay=none, delay=3932, delays=3931/0.04/0.35/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to my-domain.com[192.168.0.200]:25: Connection refused) I am hopeless as its trying to connect on SMTP port-25 on my IMAP server. why is it doing
[11:49:15] <BigRedS> what are you expecting it to do?
[11:49:57] <BigRedS> Postfix is an SMTP server, so it will deliver using SMTP. Normally, SMTP servers deliver mail to your mail server (on port 25) which files it away into mailboxes, and you can then connect via IMAP to retrieve them. Do you have Cyrus and Postfix on the same server?
[11:52:31] <rob0> Cyrus IMAP is a difficult choice, not well supported (in terms of userbase), and documentation is hard to find.
[11:52:35] <rob0> !imap
[11:52:35] <knoba> rob0: "imap" : IMAP is an application layer Internet protocol that allows a client (MUA) to access mailboxes on a remote server (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAP). Postfix does not provide IMAP (or POP3) service; see !courier or !dovecot for common IMAP/POP3 choices.
[11:52:43] <rob0> !dovecot
[11:52:44] <knoba> rob0: "dovecot" : http://www.dovecot.org/ : IMAP/POP3 server software with emphasis on security; recent versions can also provide SASL AUTH for Postfix 2.3+. Dovecot support is available in #dovecot, please note that we are unable to provide support for Dovecot in this channel.
[11:53:38] <RobbinParrish_> Thank you very much for the quick reply, really appreciate it. No my postfix and cyrus imap is running on two different machines.
[11:53:45] <rob0> Anyway, there is nothing particularly *wrong* with the choice of Cyrus, but it will be harder to get it going and to get good help.
[11:53:59] <rob0> As for the Postfix issue, see /topic
[11:57:18] <RobbinParrish_> Yes that's correct, I also have an another setup with the dovecot and its working well with the same configurations. I have to switch to cyrus to use it as cyrus-murder concept.
[11:58:05] <rob0> You'll want to deliver to Cyrus using LMTP. Apparently you did not configure it to do so.
[11:58:14] <rob0> !lmtp
[11:58:14] <knoba> rob0: "lmtp" : Local Mail Transfer Protocol, defined in RFC 2033, can be used for delivery via the Postfix lmtp(8) transport. You need an external LMTP daemon such as implemented by Cyrus or Dovecot IMAP. Also see !dovecot_lmtp.
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[12:22:10] <RobbinParrish_> Sorry for the delay as I am also being involved on the #cyrus chat-room to figure it out why its not working. The configuration seems to be same as you suggest ... Now the postfix "main.cf" file contents this "mailbox_transport = lmtp::inet:192.168.0.200:24" and I am also having two additional lines in my cyrus.conf file - lmtp cmd="lmtpd -a" listen="0.0.0.0:lmtp" proto=tcp4 lmtpunix cmd="lmtpd" listen="/run/
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[12:22:22] <RobbinParrish_> but the postfix is still giving me same connection error on the port 25 while connecting to IMAP.
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[12:40:39] <patsToms> morning. Is there any way how anyone can give me any hints why my mail server is still in GMAIL's spam?
[12:40:59] <patsToms> DMARC, DKIM and SPF shows as passed
[12:43:19] <Lord> ip reputation ?
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[13:00:56] <rob0> another WAG I can toss out there:
[13:01:00] <rob0> !fcrdns
[13:01:00] <knoba> rob0: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : your IP address should resolve to $myhostname, which in turn should resolve back to your IP. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost
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[13:03:04] <RobbinParrish_> I have my domain name registered to my AMZ web console and its resolving correctly. and also my postfix SMTP server is able to send an email to gmail but not to the cyrus IMAP.
[13:04:30] <survietamine> you don't send mail to imap servers
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[13:05:19] <RobbinParrish_> Whenever I am trying to send and email to an email address on my cyrus IMAP server the postfix is trying to connect on port 25 of cyrus IMAP server and gives following error - postfix/smtp[3891]: 6A4CA1FFF96: to=<myemailaddress at my-domain dot com>, relay=none, delay=3932, delays=3931/0.04/0.35/0, dsn=4.4.1, status=deferred (connect to my-domain.com[192.168.0.200]:25: Connection refused)
[13:06:28] <rob0> yes. Again, Postfix is not correctly configured. The mailbox_transport thing might not be doing what you expected. We don't know what you did.
[13:06:45] <RobbinParrish_> survietamine: So where do I send ? we should send the email to the email address thats on the imap server for my setup.
[13:08:17] <Zerberus> RobbinParrish_: configure your own domain(s) as relay_domains and use relay_transport to configure the LMTP transport from postfix to cyrus-imapd
[13:08:30] <RobbinParrish_> I have also tried couple of things with the mailbox_transport. right now my main.cf file is having this - "mailbox_transport = lmtp::inet:192.168.0.200:24". and 192.168.0.200 is my cyrus imap server ip address thats running a lmtp on port 24.
[13:08:45] <RobbinParrish_> I can able to connect it with the telnet but postfix doesnt seems to work.
[13:08:52] <rob0> !tell RobbinParrish_ getting_help
[13:08:52] <knoba> RobbinParrish_: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin
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[13:37:38] <patsToms> Lord, rob0 This should not be the problem. If it is ok, then I can share a domain here.
[13:37:58] <blackflow> Hello. I'm using Postfix 3.1.4 on FreeBSD. compatibility_level is 2, and smtputf8_enable is thus set to "yes". I have outgoing mail bounced back from a lot of servers complaining that "SMTPUTF8 is required, but was not offered by host ...".
[13:38:13] <patsToms> mail-tester.com said that there is a problem with rDNS so I did change it week ago.
[13:38:29] <patsToms> now they are the same
[13:38:34] <blackflow> Now my question is: should I leave it as is, or disable smtputf8? or in other words, should I insist those servers fix themselves and bring smtputf8 support into 2017?
[13:42:41] <patsToms> in practice seems like I have the same as issue in this posts - https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/mail-always-marked-as-spam-in-gmail-or-yahoo
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[13:53:54] <blackflow> So I'm reading the docs on smtputf8 and I don't know what to do. if I disable it, will that block mail from MTAs that also have it enabled? And from what I understand, there's no way postfix can know unless the sender declares it, so smtputf8_autodetect_classes is used to always REQUIRE for those mail origin classes.
[13:54:39] <anexit> Morning
[13:54:49] <blackflow> but even tho it suggests that smtputf8_autodetect_classes is a workaround to avoid chicken-and-egg problems, we still have that. unless I'm misunderstanding the config?
[13:55:05] <blackflow> or in other words, how can I support smtputf8 on incoming mail, but not strictly require it on outgoing?
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[13:56:23] <anexit> Maybe this?
[13:56:24] <anexit> smtputf8_autodetect_classes
[13:57:01] <anexit> nvm
[13:57:02] <anexit> lol
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[14:04:44] <blackflow> I suppose the right thing to do is not to require it and ensure the sender declares it needs it, if it does.
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[14:17:10] <rob0> blackflow, AFAICT you should not be requiring SMTPUTF8 outbound unless the message had UTF8 envelope addresses or headers inbound.
[14:17:49] <rob0> so if you disable it altogether, perhaps those messages would be rejected?
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[14:34:11] <blackflow> rob0: I have no idea, this is totally new to me. But as I now see lmtp having the same issue and Dovecot apparently not support it, I've disabled it completely on the Postfix side.
[14:34:31] <blackflow> too much chicken and too much eggs, can't map which belongs to which, let alone which came first :)
[14:35:33] <blackflow> I believe this pertains mostly to IDNs as headers like subject are already encoded by MUAs
[14:37:35] <rob0> you would think that a server hosting IDNs would be among the first to support SMTPUTF8
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[14:41:28] <patdk-wk> I would think servers hosting idn's would support idn correctly, and not be using utf8
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[15:29:11] <f3ew> Hmmm
[15:29:21] <f3ew> Anyone else meeting up at FOSDEM?
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[15:42:46] <f3ew> No sysmonk :(
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[16:04:30] <audiodef> I keep getting "435 4.7.8 Error: authentication failed: authentication failure" even though I can see in mail.log that the username and password are correct. What am I missing?
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[16:08:12] <Zerberus> audiodef: what is you SASL backend?
[16:08:19] <Zerberus> your
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[16:08:53] <audiodef> Zerberus: I'm trying to set up a postfix/cyrus/sasl/mysql config with virtual domains.
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[16:09:18] <Zerberus> audiodef: then first make sure that your cyrus-sasl part works
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[16:10:20] <audiodef> Zerberus: Everything I've done in the guide I'm following works up to the point where I telnet localhost 25 and try to perform an auth login with base64 encoded user/pass. This is where I get the error I mentioned, and I can't seem to find useful info in a Google search.
[16:11:10] <Zerberus> audiodef: that's why tutorials are for experts at best and not for people starting and in need to understand well how things fit together
[16:11:12] <lunaphyte> !tutorial
[16:11:12] <knoba> lunaphyte: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[16:11:15] <lunaphyte> !google
[16:11:15] <knoba> lunaphyte: "google" : Those who use Google before reading the Postfix documentation, if fortunate, end up at http://www.postfix.org/ . If not, they end up in a jumble of bad questions, misleading or wrong answers, and outdated information.
[16:11:42] <Zerberus> audiodef: how exactly is your cyrus-sasl setup?
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[16:14:43] <audiodef> Zerberus: I'm following this guide: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Complete_Virtual_Mail_Server and am running into the error I mentioned at the bottom of this part: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Complete_Virtual_Mail_Server/SMTP_Authentication
[16:15:24] <Zerberus> audiodef: that looks awful
[16:16:10] <audiodef> Zerberus: Yeah, it does. I managed to figure out some things that were skipped in previous sections, but on this one I've been stumped since yesterday. I'm sure it's going to turn out to be a very simple solution...
[16:16:47] <Zerberus> audiodef: cyrus-sasl provides the sql auxprop, no need to use courier libs on top
[16:16:48] <Zerberus> https://sys4.de/en/blog/2015/01/07/cyrus-sasl-sql-man-page/
[16:17:16] <Zerberus> audiodef: which IMAP server do you use?
[16:17:52] <Zerberus> if you have no preference, then choose dovecot and simplify your SASL setup by using its SASL implementation
[16:18:29] <audiodef> Zerberus: Cyrus.
[16:18:55] <Zerberus> then at least forget about the horrible tutorial involving courier
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[16:19:05] <lunaphyte> indeed, use dovecot
[16:19:28] <audiodef> Zerberus: I think I will try Dovecot. I think it's already on my system, so it shouldn't be too hard to change my config.
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[16:21:51] <audiodef> Zerberus: Thanks, I appreciate it.
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[17:02:37] <anexit> I have email that is trasnported to an exchange server example.com. How can I send that email to a local users and not have it transported?
[17:04:45] <jaybe> Anexit: that depends greatly on how things have been co figured, how/if postfix is employed etc. you may be able to use aliases file to grab it
[17:08:14] <anexit> yeah.. it sends it somewhere.. but where I don't know
[17:08:15] <anexit> haha
[17:08:57] <cpm> transport handles that. When you say local users, what do you mean?
[17:09:15] <cpm> local as in local to a specific host? or 'intranet' ?
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[17:14:21] <anexit> I have a debian server setup to forward messages to an exchange farm
[17:14:34] <anexit> I would like to capture certain emails on the local debian server
[17:14:44] <anexit> I think it sends them to exchange and then it dumps a ndr
[17:14:45] <jaybe> Define "capture"
[17:15:26] <anexit> So when email comes into man at server dot com I have a virtual file setup man at server dot com debug at server dot com, man at server dot com
[17:16:41] <jaybe> !example
[17:16:42] <knoba> jaybe: "example" : Example.TLD has been reserved for examples in generic top-level domains (com,net,org) and many other TLDs. Please do not use real Internet names as examples.
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[17:31:19] <cpm> !transports
[17:31:21] <knoba> cpm: Error: "transports" is not a valid command.
[17:31:23] <cpm> !transport
[17:31:24] <knoba> cpm: "transport" : transport(5) The optional transport(5) table specifies a mapping from email addresses to message delivery transports and next- hop destinations. Look at: http://www.postfix.org/transport.5.html
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[19:18:54] <patdk-wk> hmm :(
[19:19:17] <patdk-wk> salearn is eating 5gigs of ram
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[20:19:41] <alnr> i have a smtpd_filter_proxy. it is getting messages for domains that should get rejected by my relay_domains parameter. what is the order of processing between relay_domains and smtpd_proxy_filter?
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[20:40:40] <lunaphyte> alnr: relay_domains is first
[20:40:45] <lunaphyte> !tell alnr getting_help
[20:40:46] <knoba> alnr: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin
[20:43:08] <alnr> thanks. this used to work; now it seems that my relay_domains is not failing a domain i expect it to, even though postmap -q baddomain.com ... returns no hit
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[20:43:46] <alnr> which i have noticed since 3.1 upgrade. probably me though...
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