January 4, 2017 
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January 4, 2017 [00:02:59] <jax> is there a way i can deal with backscatter spam?[00:03:17] <jax> having quite a bit of FWD from <> -> <our at client dot tld> mails coming through[00:05:24] <lunaphyte> !tell jax getting_help[00:05:24] <knoba> jax: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[00:13:18] *** Diemuzi <Diemuzi!~IceChat9@unaffiliated/diemuzi> has quit IRC (Quit: See you on the flip side)[00:16:32] *** atmx <atmx!~atmx@atmx.co> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[00:16:48] *** atmx <atmx!~atmx@atmx.co> has joined #postfix[00:19:17] *** pingouin <pingouin!~pingouin@94.242.243.166> has quit IRC (Quit: Read Chomsky, Bourdieu !)[00:31:02] *** jax <jax!~Adium@unaffiliated/jax> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[00:49:46] *** froz-gab <froz-gab!~froz-gab@ip-47-24.sn2.clouditalia.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:04:07] *** davidw <davidw!~davidw@apache/committer/davidw> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[01:08:02] *** aqua^c <aqua^c!~aqua@114.111.60.64> has joined #postfix[01:28:11] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[01:52:30] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[01:57:33] *** UncleKiwi <UncleKiwi!~UncleKiwi@unaffiliated/unclekiwi> has joined #postfix[02:01:54] <UncleKiwi> Hi need some advice please - I want to configure an email server myself rather than buy some off the shelf product. I bought a domain of an old isp and I know a few people wanting to have the email service. I guess in total maybe I could get between 3 -30 people maybe more if im lucky want to keep their email address. Can someone people point me in the right direction - if my idea is bad also[02:01:54] <UncleKiwi> let me know[02:07:44] <lunaphyte> "point me in the right direction" is a little bit vague ;)[02:07:52] <lunaphyte> begin doing what you need to do?[02:08:10] <UncleKiwi> do you think it could be a good idea ?[02:08:17] <lunaphyte> sure[02:08:22] <lunaphyte> in asa much as anything is possible[02:08:25] <lunaphyte> *as much[02:08:43] <lunaphyte> i also think it's equally as likely it could be a bad idea too, don't you think?[02:10:09] <UncleKiwi> hehe[02:10:55] <UncleKiwi> yeah I thought about just selling the domain or giving it to a local isp who already has the email servers setup[02:11:34] <UncleKiwi> is it even legal to in the bounce message advertise my service ?[02:12:07] <lunaphyte> my personal opinion is that, statistically speaking, it's likely that you'll eventually decide it's not worth it[02:12:54] <lunaphyte> what is "the bounce message"? [note that "is it legal" questions are a bad, bad, idea here][02:12:55] <UncleKiwi> i have a few of the things required to handle a few mailboxes[02:13:13] <UncleKiwi> so new new costs there[02:13:51] <UncleKiwi> yeah email and legalness could be a reason I might think ah too hard[02:15:46] <UncleKiwi> * so no new costs there ( infact im already doing it with a trial verson of kerio email server )[02:18:24] <UncleKiwi> im just forwarding at the moment for one of the accounts abut that will be an issue if someone is using spf with -all[02:19:35] *** tmberg <tmberg!tmberg@unaffiliated/tmberg> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[02:19:35] <lunaphyte> don't forward mail[02:19:39] <lunaphyte> that's poor behavior[02:19:51] *** metalcated <metalcated!~slider@pool-74-106-11-71.syrcny.fios.verizon.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[02:19:51] *** metalcated <metalcated!~slider@unaffiliated/metalcated> has joined #postfix[02:20:21] <pj> if you are just interested in a fun project to learn about how email works then this could be a good way to go about it, although I would question charging people for it since you're not exactly an experienced email admin.[02:21:20] <pj> at the end of the day, it's not going to be financially worth it unless you manage to build this out to a major ESP business and even then you'll be competing with some very established players in the market.[02:21:53] <pj> at any rate, start here...[02:21:58] <pj> !tell UncleKiwi basic[02:21:58] <knoba> UncleKiwi: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[02:22:56] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10:a1c6:22f3:23a7:608d> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye.)[02:24:34] <UncleKiwi> <pj> thanks I do appreciate the advice[02:25:02] <UncleKiwi> <lunaphyte> thank you also[02:26:18] <pj> UncleKiwi: yw[02:26:21] <UncleKiwi> i imagine public facing pop servers get hit with attacks constantly[02:26:41] <lunaphyte> pop servers?[02:26:46] <UncleKiwi> pop3[02:26:46] <pj> they should be if they're still running POP[02:26:49] <pj> !pop3[02:26:49] <knoba> pj: "pop3" : POP3 is an application layer Internet protocol, superceded by IMAP (see !imap), that allows a client (MUA) to access email on a remote server. Postfix does not provide POP3 (or IMAP) service; see !courier or !dovecot for common IMAP/POP3 choices.[02:27:01] <lunaphyte> i kind of doubt pop servers are much of a target in the grand scheme of things.[02:27:08] <pj> true[02:27:14] <lunaphyte> most likely because they are archaic, like pj says[02:27:15] *** Ekho <Ekho!~Ekho@unaffiliated/ekho> has joined #postfix[02:27:53] <pj> also attackers tend to go after submission (smtp with SASL AUTH), because that is what they'll use to push SPAM out if they are successful.[02:28:05] <UncleKiwi> ok[02:28:30] <lunaphyte> just don't use pop[02:28:50] <UncleKiwi> what should be used ?[02:28:58] <lunaphyte> did you read the factoid?[02:29:04] <lunaphyte> if not, you should.[02:29:08] <lunaphyte> it answers that question[02:29:38] <pj> I do recall reading on a ml recently that someone had the idea of bringing back IMAP before SMTP style-auth, but requiring that in addition to SASL AUTH, the idea is that because attackers tend to just go after SMTP it will stop most bruce force attacks dead.[02:30:27] <UncleKiwi> cool[02:30:44] <lunaphyte> only allow smtp auth from the ip address which has just retrieved mail?[02:30:52] <lunaphyte> that's an interesting thought[02:31:04] <pj> which has just logged in via IMAP, not necessarily retrieved.[02:31:11] <UncleKiwi> what I do find cool about this topic is that a person can make money if they take the time and learn the skills[02:31:57] <lunaphyte> well, i was extrapolating, but yeah[02:32:24] <lunaphyte> UncleKiwi: that's any topic[02:32:32] <lunaphyte> nothing special, in any way, about email there[02:34:39] <UncleKiwi> thanks again, im going to give the domain away to a local isp[02:34:42] <UncleKiwi> :)[02:35:05] <lunaphyte> well don't do that![02:35:07] *** phunyguy <phunyguy!~torpedo@ubuntu/member/phunyguy> has joined #postfix[02:35:13] <UncleKiwi> why not ?[02:35:20] <lunaphyte> sell it[02:35:25] <lunaphyte> [to them][02:35:30] <lunaphyte> or whoever, for that matter[02:35:34] <UncleKiwi> apparently it had 2000 clients[02:35:48] <UncleKiwi> but i put a catchall on it[02:35:55] <UncleKiwi> and its not really making much noise[02:36:12] <UncleKiwi> maybe 10 mailboxes are active[02:36:21] <UncleKiwi> over a few days[02:36:27] *** Aprogas <Aprogas!aprogas@enki.aprogas.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)[02:36:41] <UncleKiwi> mostly spam[02:36:55] <UncleKiwi> what do you think it's worth[02:37:04] <UncleKiwi> 100 usd ?[02:37:11] <lunaphyte> no clue[02:38:13] <UncleKiwi> thanks[02:38:21] *** UncleKiwi <UncleKiwi!~UncleKiwi@unaffiliated/unclekiwi> has left #postfix[03:18:46] *** tmberg <tmberg!tmberg@unaffiliated/tmberg> has joined #postfix[04:08:47] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[04:11:06] *** chachasmooth <chachasmooth!~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth> has joined #postfix[04:27:50] *** noc0lour <noc0lour!~quassel@prism.nocolour.de> has joined #postfix[04:48:41] *** aindilis2 <aindilis2!~aindilis@173-165-36-107-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #postfix[05:18:15] <GTAXL> Is that warning safe to ignore or I screw something up? :p http://pastebin.com/N6KsCxwj[05:25:47] <GTAXL> or maybe this tutorial is dumb and I don't need to postmap that :p[05:31:30] <pj> GTAXL: it's a pcre (or regexp) file, you're not supposed to postmap those.[05:31:52] <pj> do make sure that your config shows it as pcre:/path/to/file[05:32:48] <pj> regexp is fine too[05:33:03] <pj> but pcre is more efficient, if your postfix is built with pcre support.[05:34:13] <GTAXL> I'm not good with regex stuff, used a tut, I believe to get that on Debian I'd have to do apt-get install postfix-pcre[05:34:31] <pj> yeah, I think so[05:34:49] <GTAXL> but I wouldn't know how to convert the regexp in that pastebin to pcre?[05:35:46] <pj> that looks to be compatible with pcre already[05:35:57] <GTAXL> oh[05:36:13] <pj> there are minor differences, but I don't see any that would affect that file.[05:36:14] <rob0> If a howto told you to postmap a regexp/pcre file, it was written by someone who should not be writing a howto.[05:36:34] <GTAXL> lmao[05:38:09] <GTAXL> I'm guessing that postmap is what created this .db file I see?[05:38:53] <rob0> probably[05:39:00] <GTAXL> so probably should just rm it[05:39:15] <rob0> won't matter, nothing is using it[05:39:27] <pj> you can rm it, it won't do anything[05:39:35] <GTAXL> I don't like clutter of un-necessary garbage :)[05:40:42] <rob0> BTW if that -o header_checks is set on postfix/submission/smtpd, it won't be used.[05:41:44] <rob0> The way to do that is with an alternate cleanup(8) abd -o cleanup_service_name[05:42:04] <rob0> s/abd/and/[05:42:26] <GTAXL> yeah, it's on submission and that has been added[05:42:37] <GTAXL> it works, just tested, removes the headers :)[05:46:38] <GTAXL> mmm, SPF/DKIM/DMARC all still pass, however I notice OpenDMARC is putting a version header in outbound e-mails, is it proper to have opendmarc on submission as well?[05:46:51] <GTAXL> I always thought it was just for inbound checking[05:50:33] <GTAXL> I feel it's improper as I received a DMARC aggregate report for my domain the other day from opendmarc showing my home ip as failing for said domain[05:53:20] <GTAXL> I have smtpd_milters, and non_smtpd_milters configured, which should be on which? Currently opendkim and opendmarc are set on both, which I have a hunch is wrong. I think opendkim should be on both though as it has to sign outbound mail and check inbound dkim signatures[05:54:49] <GTAXL> opendmarc I assume should just be for inbound email? If so, that's be only smtpd_milters or non_smtpd_milters?[06:00:47] <tharkun> !dmarc[06:00:48] <knoba> tharkun: Error: "dmarc" is not a valid command.[06:00:52] <tharkun> !dkim[06:00:53] <knoba> tharkun: "dkim" : DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) is a method for email authentication that allows an organization to take responsibility for a message in a way that can be validated by a recipient. this is typically implemented in postfix by means of a milter such as !opendkim. alternatively, existing content filters (e.g. !amavisd-new) may also have their own implementation mechanism.[06:14:32] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@201.22.86.124.static.gvt.net.br> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[06:19:59] <thumbs> !dmarc[06:20:00] <knoba> thumbs: Error: "dmarc" is not a valid command.[06:20:03] <thumbs> erm[06:25:07] <pj> we need a dmarc factoid[06:25:15] <pj> open to suggestions[06:33:56] <rob0> smtpd_milters is all SMTP mail. But different -o smtpd_milters can be used on submission, for example.[06:35:03] <rob0> non_smtpd_milters is for all non-SMTP mail, which typically means sendmail(1) local submission.[06:35:45] <rob0> There's no simple way in either case to distinguish "inbound" from "outbound".[06:38:10] *** ghostlight <ghostlight!~ghostligh@ec2-54-187-97-144.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[06:41:24] *** ghostlight <ghostlight!~ghostligh@ec2-54-187-97-144.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com> has joined #postfix[06:45:33] <GTAXL> hmm[06:52:24] <GTAXL> dmarcian latest report shows my home IP under threat for my domain :|[06:52:39] <GTAXL> which I get cuz it wouldn't match spf, etc.[06:53:05] <GTAXL> but it's cuz opendmarc is also on submission[06:53:17] <GTAXL> hmm, I need to do more research into this[07:08:20] *** Oclair <Oclair!~Oclair@212-88-15-162.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[07:10:17] *** Oclair <Oclair!~Oclair@212-88-15-162.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[07:12:50] *** Oclair <Oclair!~Oclair@212-88-15-162.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[07:17:56] *** Oclair <Oclair!~Oclair@212-88-15-162.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Quit: Bye Bye)[07:20:38] *** Oclair <Oclair!~Oclair@212-88-15-162.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[07:33:53] *** ogny <ogny!~orkun@85.97.122.232> has joined #postfix[07:33:53] *** ogny <ogny!~orkun@85.97.122.232> has quit IRC (Changing host)[07:33:53] *** ogny <ogny!~orkun@unaffiliated/ogny> has joined #postfix[08:41:45] *** spY|da <spY|da!~spychodel@owncloud.linuxjunkies.de> has joined #postfix[08:42:23] *** Der <Der!~DZ@39.38.110.2> has joined #postfix[08:45:40] *** Der <Der!~DZ@39.38.110.2> has left #postfix[08:46:17] *** Ders <Ders!~DZ@39.38.110.2> has joined #postfix[08:46:26] <Ders> !showconfig[08:46:26] <knoba> Ders: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, please provide a SINGLE pastebin with postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[08:46:43] <Ders> !getting_help[08:46:43] <knoba> Ders: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[08:47:04] <Ders> !relevant_logs[08:47:04] <knoba> Ders: "relevant_logs" : mail.* syslog Postfix log messages (NOT verbose, see !no_verbose) which show ONLY the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log are not adequate. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents often log to the same syslog facility (mail); filter such messages out unless asked not to.[08:47:17] <Ders> hello anyone[08:52:59] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@201.22.86.124.static.gvt.net.br> has joined #postfix[08:58:10] <survietamine> hello Ders[08:58:36] <Ders> i have installed postfix at root[08:58:39] <Ders> but i didn`t receive emails[08:58:48] <Ders> from my root[09:02:11] *** aqua^c <aqua^c!~aqua@114.111.60.64> has quit IRC ()[09:03:19] <survietamine> I don't get what that means. You installed postfix AS root user or you installed postfix at root (/) of your filesystem?[09:03:45] <Ders> as root[09:03:46] <survietamine> even, both won't make sense about your question[09:04:19] <Ders> check Pm please[09:04:39] <survietamine> after coming to this channel, you've read the topic and factoids. That is a good thing[09:04:53] <survietamine> but now you should apply them[09:05:16] <survietamine> pasting somewhere snippet of your relevant log and you config[09:06:07] <survietamine> the principle of support on IRC is that you ask in channel, so several people will be able to read your question and answer[09:06:26] <survietamine> so, don't paste in query, but in some paste site (not pastebin)[09:06:28] <survietamine> !pastebin[09:06:28] <knoba> survietamine: "pastebin" : a pastebin site lets you easily share logs and configuration. Examples are dpaste.org, fpaste.org, or pastebin.ca. Please avoid ad-supported sites such as pastebin.com if possible.[09:07:07] <survietamine> some of that sites or others like paste.ee, or with command line like sprunge or ix.io[09:07:36] <Ders> is there any fully configuration tutrial?[09:09:50] <survietamine> !tutorial[09:09:50] <knoba> survietamine: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.[09:10:03] *** mcfate <mcfate!~textual@174-134-145-16.res.bhn.net> has quit IRC (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)[09:10:25] <survietamine> there a plenty of tutorials about postfix on the web, but it's not a good idea just copy/pasting from them[09:10:46] <survietamine> you can start reading postfix documentation[09:10:48] <survietamine> !basic[09:10:48] <knoba> survietamine: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[09:16:22] *** troulouliou_div2 <troulouliou_div2!~troulouli@unaffiliated/troulouliou-div2/x-0271439> has joined #postfix[09:16:25] <Ders> i tried a lot[09:16:31] <Ders> but i dot know why it`s not working[09:16:32] <Ders> :S[09:16:49] <survietamine> a lot of tutorials?[09:16:52] <Ders> when i try to send like mail email at email dot com[09:17:05] <Ders> it` shows subject then nothing[09:17:08] <survietamine> !example[09:17:08] <knoba> survietamine: "example" : Example.TLD has been reserved for examples in generic top-level domains (com,net,org) and many other TLDs. Please do not use real Internet names as examples.[09:17:34] <Ders> i use my own domains in it[09:17:52] <survietamine> so, you are saying that email.com is your domain?[09:17:59] <Ders> no[09:18:07] <Ders> i just give you example[09:18:12] *** troulouliou_div2 <troulouliou_div2!~troulouli@unaffiliated/troulouliou-div2/x-0271439> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[09:18:13] <Ders> i tryed at my gmail accunt[09:18:18] <survietamine> so use some example.tld domain[09:18:22] <survietamine> instead of email.com[09:18:36] <Ders> uses gmail.com[09:18:39] <Ders> i*[09:18:44] <survietamine> anyway, it's too vague[09:19:11] <survietamine> you have to give more details about how you tried to send mail[09:19:29] <survietamine> and I don't get the 2d sentence "it shows subject..."[09:19:34] <survietamine> shows where?[09:19:38] <survietamine> and when?[09:20:02] <Ders> [root@pink ~]# mailx email at example dot tld[09:20:03] <Ders> Subject: heeh[09:20:03] <Ders> hi[09:20:03] <Ders> ^X^Z[09:20:37] <survietamine> ok, so, it's just a matter of knowing how to use some MUA in command line[09:20:41] <survietamine> !mailx[09:20:41] <knoba> survietamine: "mailx" : see !mail[09:20:45] <survietamine> !mail[09:20:45] <knoba> survietamine: "mail" : mail(1) (also known as mailx(1) or bsd-mailx) is not a Postfix-provided command. For help with it, see its man page. More powerful, commonly available console- and CLI-based MUAs include mutt, alpine and heirloom mailx (likewise, not supported here.)[09:21:04] <survietamine> there are several mail/[09:21:09] <mungustas> hey I want to clarify how transport maps work, as I see some stalling (slow sending) when queue is dominated by slow or dead hosts, and I want give upmost priority for example for @gmail.com emails traffic[09:21:28] <survietamine> there are several mail/Mail/mailx/etc commands with different syntax. You first have to know which one is installed[09:25:43] <Ders> mailx is installed[09:28:59] <Ders> who can help me to install fully ?[09:29:22] <Ders> maybe im doing something wrong[09:29:32] <Ders> i read all but im new to this.[09:49:13] <survietamine> read all what?[09:49:54] <survietamine> you didn't tell how you installed postfix, from some distro package manager or from source[09:50:06] <survietamine> and comply to factoids[09:54:59] <Ders> https://www.server-world.info/en/note?os=CentOS_7&p=mail&f=1[09:57:44] *** BigRedS <BigRedS!~avi@217.207.137.139> has joined #postfix[10:01:07] *** sphenxes01 <sphenxes01!~sphenxes@85-90-156-246.hdsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[10:10:25] <mungustas> survietamine: do you know how transport maps works regarding my question?[10:12:42] *** NwS <NwS!~NwS@unaffiliated/nws> has joined #postfix[10:15:18] *** sep <sep!~sep@2a04:2740:1ab:1::2> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[10:16:37] <NwS> Heya guys, good morning and Happy New Year (few days late but still :P) I would like to ask you if it is possible to use per domain HELO hostname (I currently got 4 IPs and 4 different domains but when you send an email and check the header everything points on the default domain of the server)[10:19:32] *** infides_afk <infides_afk!~infides@p5B167C35.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[10:29:06] <pj> !host!=domain[10:29:06] <knoba> pj: "host!=domain" : domain names (which appear after the '@' in email addresses and are used for the routing of email) are not the same as hostnames which are used to identify individual hosts on a network or the internet at large.[10:29:20] <pj> NwS: first off this is an important concept to understand ^^^^^^^[10:29:51] <pj> the hostname in the HELO banner is a hostname, *not* a domain name, and the two are not related.[10:30:13] <mungustas> !help[10:30:13] <knoba> mungustas: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.[10:31:13] <pj> also it's much more important that this passes FCRDNS than any imaginary requirement that it match the domain name of the envelope sender.[10:31:18] <pj> !tell NwS fcrdns[10:31:18] <knoba> NwS: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : your IP address should resolve to $myhostname, which in turn should resolve back to your IP. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost[10:31:42] <pj> anyways, I have to go.[10:36:00] <NwS> pj, ty for the info mate. So hostname is not editable per domain basis. I was thinking of using multiple postfix instances just to try if I could edit it[10:39:21] <Ders> NwS, your emails are receiving?[10:41:53] *** sep <sep!~sep@2a04:2740:1ab:1::2> has joined #postfix[10:43:08] <NwS> Ders, Typ[10:43:11] <NwS> Yup*[10:43:20] <Ders> how did you setup?[10:43:25] <Ders> i did but my emails are not receiving[10:43:50] <NwS> Are we talking about multiple postfix instances? Because I didn't do it yet :/[10:44:59] <Ders> no just single postfix :D[10:45:47] <NwS> Ah lol. I can't recall how exactly it was setup, it was like 2 years ago but everything works out fine :P I am just trying to "customize" them a bit to hide some info I don't really like sharing[10:46:37] <Ders> im trying since 3 days[10:46:42] <Ders> still not sucess :([10:57:12] *** kingkong <kingkong!antalya@shellium/member/kingkong> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[10:57:25] *** sputnik <sputnik!~kli0rf@unaffiliated/kli0rf> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[10:57:41] *** markus_e92 <markus_e92!~markus_e9@62-46-102-145.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)[10:59:29] *** markus_e92 <markus_e92!~markus_e9@62-46-102-163.adsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[11:04:12] *** sputnik <sputnik!~kli0rf@unaffiliated/kli0rf> has joined #postfix[11:05:19] *** Ders <Ders!~DZ@39.38.110.2> has quit IRC ()[11:10:01] *** troulouliou_div2 <troulouliou_div2!~troulouli@unaffiliated/troulouliou-div2/x-0271439> has joined #postfix[11:21:12] *** kingkong <kingkong!antalya@chatq.net> has joined #postfix[11:21:12] *** kingkong <kingkong!antalya@chatq.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[11:21:12] *** kingkong <kingkong!antalya@shellium/member/kingkong> has joined #postfix[11:39:38] *** infides_afk <infides_afk!~infides@p5B167C35.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[11:51:25] *** sphenxes <sphenxes!~sphenxes@85-90-156-246.hdsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[11:54:44] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[11:59:27] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[12:09:30] *** infides_afk <infides_afk!~infides@p5B167C35.dip0.t-ipconnect.de> has joined #postfix[12:10:00] *** skylite <skylite!~skylite@91EC6626.dsl.pool.telekom.hu> has joined #postfix[12:13:02] <skylite> how can I redirect postfix logs to a remote rsyslog server? do I still need to run rsyslog on the machine where postfix runs and redirect the logs with rsyslog to the remote rsyslog server? This is what I want to avoid. Is it possible?[12:20:35] *** Section1 <Section1!~section1@190.195.71.40> has joined #postfix[12:26:28] <petn-randall> skylite: That is the way I recommend doing it. And make sure to use RELP to avoid potential loss of logs.[12:27:35] <skylite> petn-randall: you mean I should run rsyslog on the server when postfix runs and redirect the logs with rsyslog?[12:27:57] *** NwS <NwS!~NwS@unaffiliated/nws> has quit IRC (Quit: See you in Isla de Muerte!)[12:27:59] <petn-randall> skylite: yes[12:28:53] <skylite> I cant seem to find any other way but is there any other one?[12:37:26] *** Ders <Ders!~DZ@39.38.110.2> has joined #postfix[12:40:00] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@7.41.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has joined #postfix[12:41:48] <skylite> never mind this will do fine[12:43:54] <Ders> what[12:45:51] <skylite> using rsyslog to redirect to remote rsyslog[12:50:40] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[12:51:01] *** olegfusion <olegfusion!~olegfusio@mail.mobileforsale.ru> has joined #postfix[12:59:28] <Teraii> or syslog-ng[13:13:38] *** Ders <Ders!~DZ@39.38.110.2> has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)[13:31:59] *** Ders <Ders!~DZ@39.38.110.2> has joined #postfix[13:51:13] *** Darcidride <Darcidride!~Darcidrid@2a01:e35:8b4a:ca10:414b:595d:4fb5:f1cb> has joined #postfix[13:55:46] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[13:55:56] <petn-randall> skylite: What is it that you want to make "better" with this setup?[13:59:22] <skylite> well if its not necessary to run rsyslog next to postfix then I would'nt[13:59:47] <skylite> but I think its not possible so I dont really mind[14:00:52] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[14:02:31] <petn-randall> skylite: Usually you need syslog anyway for other applications and also kernel messages.[14:02:43] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@50.202.5.122> has joined #postfix[14:04:30] *** synthroi_ <synthroi_!~synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/account> has joined #postfix[14:07:12] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@50.202.5.122> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[14:20:35] <lunaphyte> this discussion has the word "docker" written all over it :([14:22:20] <petn-randall> or "micro services"[14:30:56] *** Ders <Ders!~DZ@39.38.110.2> has quit IRC ()[14:31:22] *** mcfate <mcfate!~textual@174-134-145-16.res.bhn.net> has joined #postfix[14:32:11] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@209.95.50.99> has joined #postfix[14:36:09] *** synthroi_ <synthroi_!~synthroid@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/account> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[14:39:25] *** sphenxes <sphenxes!~sphenxes@85-90-156-246.hdsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[14:41:05] *** sphenxes <sphenxes!~sphenxes@85-90-156-246.hdsl.highway.telekom.at> has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded)[14:41:36] *** sphenxes <sphenxes!~sphenxes@85-90-156-246.hdsl.highway.telekom.at> has joined #postfix[14:50:39] *** boubou <boubou!boubou@unaffiliated/boubou> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - 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If you're new here, or to IRC, first read the channel topic (/topic). It has important instructions on how to ask good questions. You will get more and better help if you follow those instructions. Good Luck![17:53:41] *** GBrawl <GBrawl!~Fre@ptr-560asrph7z4jrf58y9a.18120a2.ip6.access.telenet.be> has quit IRC (Quit: (null))[17:56:23] <ddavidd> I don't know much, but I'm brainstorming an email server that would allow a parent to assign mailboxes to their children with the ability to screen emails before they go to the children. If this isn't a postfix question, let me know.[17:57:31] <tuxick> i'd do that with postfix+ldap[17:57:45] <tuxick> or mysql[17:59:10] <seebs> if you want to do sql, i suggest pgsql, mysql is sorta horrible[17:59:37] <seebs> ... Also, since this is actually in my fields from a completely different angle: I know a whole lot of abused kids, and *wow* does that send up red flags.[17:59:56] <seebs> I know that there's valid reasons for parents to want to screen stuff, especially with younger kids, but as the kids get older, it becomes really creepy.[18:00:19] <tuxick> oww, haha i misread actually[18:00:35] <tuxick> i was thinking multiple servers :)[18:01:31] <tuxick> for the rest: plain old spamfiltering[18:02:29] <ddavidd> Yeah, I definitely see your point seebs. My kids are really little.[18:03:37] <ddavidd> Little as in minors. As young as 5 and 6.[18:04:10] <seebs> 17 and 364 days is also a "minor" in most of the US, as I recall. :P But yeah, for 5-6 year olds, makes sense.[18:07:40] *** fatdragon <fatdragon!~fatdragon@cpe-107-184-105-188.socal.res.rr.com> has joined #postfix[18:07:42] *** Aprogas <Aprogas!aprogas@enki.aprogas.net> has joined #postfix[18:09:02] <ddavidd> So from my *very* limited knowledge, it sounds like I could simply set up sieve script to basically block everything and manage a whitelist for people like mom, dad, grandma, etc. Is that pretty much the route I should take?[18:14:36] *** synthroid <synthroid!~synthroid@209.95.50.99> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[18:14:47] *** synthroi_ <synthroi_!~synthroid@209.95.50.99> has joined #postfix[18:14:50] <seebs> What I might do for the kids would be set up a private email server, as in "no one else can even route to it".[18:15:12] <seebs> Then set up a mail client which has access to public mailboxes you host for them, and also the private server.[18:15:25] <seebs> Because an IMAP client will let you just move things from one mailbox to another, even if they're on different servers. :)[18:16:07] <ddavidd> Oh that's interesting.[18:17:49] <rob0> when my children were younger I used virtual_alias_maps to send their mail to kid@example,dad@example[18:18:09] <seebs> In something like claws-mail or mailmate, it'd be pretty trivial to set up an action that takes messages from another box, moves them to their inbox, and flags them as unread again.[18:18:12] <rob0> but that wasn't really screening, that was just seeing the same thing they got[18:19:10] <rob0> what you're talking about is going to be on the IMAP side of things, not in Postfix[18:19:56] <ddavidd> Oh okay. These are all great ideas.[18:20:56] <rob0> Of course if the kid didn't have an IMAP client running I could have gone into the maildir and deleted something[18:23:02] <ddavidd> Yeah, that makes sense.[18:23:04] *** davidw <davidw!~davidw@apache/committer/davidw> has joined #postfix[18:27:24] <ddavidd> Thanks rob0 / seebs.[18:31:30] *** troys is now known as troys_[18:34:28] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)[18:48:01] *** Hercules <Hercules!Hercules@unaffiliated/genkei> has joined #postfix[18:48:47] *** boubou <boubou!boubou@unaffiliated/boubou> has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net)[18:51:09] *** aindilis2 <aindilis2!~aindilis@173-165-36-107-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds)[18:51:32] <mungustas> I am seeing delays on one of the slow transports I'm using, and it slows down fast destinations like @gmail.com what could be the cause ?[18:51:56] <tuxick> that's beyond vague[18:53:00] <mungustas> relay=mx2.inbox.lv[194.152.32.73]:25, delay=9047, delays=8474/572/0.23/0.15, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 Ok: queued as D846519F3A1)[18:53:55] *** Hercules <Hercules!Hercules@unaffiliated/genkei> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[18:54:23] *** BigRedS <BigRedS!~avi@217.207.137.139> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[18:54:27] <mungustas> transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport_slow ( inbox.lvslow: )[18:55:10] <mungustas> tab was replaced while pasting it should be inbox.lv slow:[18:57:14] <tuxick> why did you define slow transports in the first place?[18:57:16] *** boubou <boubou!boubou@unaffiliated/boubou> has joined #postfix[18:58:36] <mungustas> this provider wants outside world to comply to ratelimits of ~100 emails/minute[19:02:37] <tharkun> !ssl[19:02:37] <knoba> tharkun: "ssl" : See !tls[19:02:40] <tharkun> !tls[19:02:40] <knoba> tharkun: "tls" : Transport Layer Security (RFC2246). Previously known as SSL, TLS adds a layer of encryption to protocols such as SMTP, submission, IMAP or POP3 to improve security during transmission over the Internet. TLS is implemented using the STARTTLS method, while the non-standard wrapper style of implementation is deprecated at this point. See http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html for more info.[19:11:40] <mungustas> what next?[19:12:47] *** mikecmpbll <mikecmpbll!~mikecmpbl@ruby/staff/mikecmpbll> has joined #postfix[19:14:20] <mungustas> tuxick: ?[19:14:54] <tuxick> 100/minute? how on earth do you get that while not being a spammer?[19:15:41] <jaybe> Large org/ department/ company? (Or spam :p)[19:17:42] <mungustas> Large organization[19:18:16] <tuxick> quite large if there's 100 people sending to same domain in a minute[19:19:32] <tharkun> Well google can be a jackass recieving mail on large quantities specially if it is from a big$$ non-client.[19:20:46] <mungustas> okay so now I have 40k emails to send and active queue is dominated by this host[19:20:52] *** troulouliou_div2 <troulouliou_div2!~troulouli@unaffiliated/troulouliou-div2/x-0271439> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:20:52] *** Dessa <Dessa!~Dessa@kvirc/staff/Dessa> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)[19:21:25] <mungustas> and other fast domains like @gmail.com are just sitting and waiting forever to get their turn to leave the mail server[19:21:57] <tuxick> wtf? you have like 300k users?[19:22:57] <tuxick> http://www.postfix.org/QSHAPE_README.html[19:24:00] <rob0> Perhaps you should consider hiring an ESP to handle your outbound mail.[19:24:54] <tuxick> i'd say an organisation that huge would have the stuff sorted anyway[19:25:09] <mungustas> it's a newsletter[19:25:20] *** Dessa <Dessa!~Dessa@pku74f0o.dip0.t-iqconnect.de> has joined #postfix[19:25:49] <tuxick> no need to get those pushed out in a hurry then[19:26:07] <tuxick> easier to simply rate limit to all[19:26:37] <tuxick> i thought it was users not understanding email != IM[19:27:23] <tuxick> hm, whatever[19:27:46] <tuxick> that's what i did when we ran newsletters to some 50k addresses anyway[19:28:15] <tuxick> only problem we had with that was idiot hotmail users reporting them as spam[19:28:30] <tuxick> because they were too bloody stupid to unsubscribe from opt-in ml[19:29:42] <tuxick> anyway, check out that qshape thing[19:30:59] <mungustas> yeah but there are gmail.com emails waiting and it could just go out right now[19:32:07] <tuxick> waiting? people actually waiting?[19:32:35] * tuxick sensens manager wasting time[19:33:04] <mungustas> yes[19:33:22] *** arcanine <arcanine!uid17824@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-msotntdjbaguaoeo> has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity)[19:33:31] <mungustas> I want to discuss technical things[19:33:34] <tharkun> Is there a way to tell postfix to use one TLS certificate when the name it recieved was submission.example.org and another when the name it recieved is submission.example.NET ?[19:34:00] <lunaphyte> tharkun: that's called sni, and no - not at the moment[19:34:12] <mungustas> about qshape and transport_maps and other internals[19:34:14] <lunaphyte> instead, use an agnostic service domain[19:34:15] <tharkun> lunaphyte: Thanks I forgot the name :)[19:34:54] <lunaphyte> it may change some day. it comes up on the ml from time to time. each time it comes up, it seems to be received a bit better than the previous[19:35:26] <tharkun> lunaphyte: Yes, I will change the domain name to an agnostic one but the thing is that the old certificate is allready under some of the clients.[19:35:43] <tharkun> I thought about post-multi but then I am not in the mood to deal with that.[19:35:57] <lunaphyte> blech[19:36:02] <lunaphyte> you wouldn't need that anyway[19:36:40] <lunaphyte> you just need multiple ip addresses, and multiple submission instances defined for each[19:37:05] <tharkun> yes :| I know.[19:37:20] <lunaphyte> no need for postmulti to do that though[19:38:07] <mungustas> T 5 10 20 40 80 160 320 640 1280 1280+[19:38:10] <mungustas> TOTAL 19999 0 0 0 0 0 1629 16735 32 1603 0[19:38:13] <mungustas> inbox.lv 19999 0 0 0 0 0 1629 16735 32 1603 0[19:38:36] <mungustas> active queue is full of inbox.lv emails[19:40:01] <mungustas> others I see are waiting in "incoming" queue[19:47:29] <tuxick> that's the domain you slowed down no?[19:47:52] <mungustas> yes that's the domain[19:48:26] <mungustas> transport_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/transport_slow[19:48:26] <mungustas> inbox.lv slow:[19:50:09] *** ExoUNX <ExoUNX!~ExoUNX@unaffiliated/exounx> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[19:50:12] <tuxick> so it's working as expected![19:51:09] <mungustas> but I want emails to go out from "incoming" queue to gmail.com right now[19:51:10] *** ExoUNX <ExoUNX!~ExoUNX@unaffiliated/exounx> has joined #postfix[19:53:28] <tuxick> that too is coverted in qshape doc[19:53:36] <mungustas> http://www.postfix.com/QSHAPE_README.html#incoming_queue[19:54:05] <mungustas> The queue manager scans the incoming queue bringing any new mail into the "active" queue if the active queue resource limits have not been exceeded. By default, the active queue accommodates at most 20000 messages. Once the active queue message limit is reached, the queue manager stops scanning the incoming (and deferred, see below) queue.[19:54:12] <tuxick> ack[19:54:22] <tuxick> so increase that one :)[19:54:32] *** Section1 <Section1!~section1@190.195.71.40> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)[19:55:26] <mungustas> so I should run with very big "qmgr_message_active_limit" ?[19:55:58] <tuxick> i'd say worth a shot[20:03:25] <mungustas> For high volume sites a key tuning parameter is the number of "smtp" delivery agents allocated to the "smtp" and "relay" transports. ... high message throughput can only be achieved with more concurrent delivery agents[20:04:35] <mungustas> okay maybe plent of resources on the server can help with more smtp agents I'll try to go with 300[20:04:42] <mungustas> plenty*[20:16:45] *** jax <jax!~Adium@15.54.150.83.ftth.ewwwb.as8758.net> has joined #postfix[20:16:45] *** jax <jax!~Adium@15.54.150.83.ftth.ewwwb.as8758.net> has quit IRC (Changing host)[20:16:45] *** jax 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uname@domain was modified by me to protect the innocent[20:51:56] *** ddavidd <ddavidd!Elite16737@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-bhzfsaaglioxvevv> has left #postfix[20:56:07] <tuxick> contact the exchange "admin"[20:56:21] <tuxick> he'll most likely fail but the problem is there[20:56:35] <mungustas> InternalId=1886691[20:58:17] *** ghostlight <ghostlight!~ghostligh@ec2-54-187-97-144.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com> has joined #postfix[21:00:11] <soop> tuxick that's what I thought ... thanks ...[21:01:10] <soop> mungustas: thanks ;)[21:20:37] *** froz-gab <froz-gab!~froz-gab@ip-47-24.sn2.clouditalia.com> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 seconds)[21:24:17] <tuxick> status=sent :)[21:24:58] <rob0> status=scent ... that means the mail stinks[21:25:26] *** troys_ is now known as troys[21:30:06] *** robinho86 <robinho86!~robsonjf@201.22.86.124.static.gvt.net.br> has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.)[21:31:21] *** davidw <davidw!~davidw@apache/committer/davidw> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 258 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<ExoUNX!~ExoUNX@unaffiliated/exounx> has quit IRC (Quit: I'm outta here)[23:19:43] *** soop <soop!~TheDoctor@unaffiliated/soop> has quit IRC (Quit: this is why I need more shells)[23:25:04] *** MacWinner <MacWinner!~Blah@192.77.239.202> has joined #postfix[23:25:21] <simbalion`> Hi, I've got a server, domain.com. Email is external, but with the domain.com name. I'm having a problem with mail() and postfix, when Wordpress tries sending emails using PHP's mail(), postfix tries to send them to local accounts instead of to the external mailserver, can this be fixed in the postfix configuration?[23:26:01] <MacWinner> hi, is there a good SMTPUTF8 email auto-responder test? I tried jøran <at> blåbærsyltetøy.gulbrandsen.priv.no but it doesn't seem to be up anymore[23:26:33] *** pti-jean_ <pti-jean_!~quassel@7.41.124.78.rev.sfr.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:27:50] <MacWinner> simbalion`, i think it it's a PHP mail() setting.. in fact, I think they recommend using PHPMailer or something like that instead of the built in mail() function since it can have strange results depending on your system config[23:28:25] <MacWinner> i remember running into PHP mail() issues like this, and just using a library that is not so coupled with the systems mail server[23:28:36] <tuxick> right[23:28:50] <tuxick> definitely not mail(), that deprecated ages ago[23:30:36] <rob0> If Postfix thinks external addresses are local, it is misconfigured.[23:30:45] <rob0> !basic[23:30:45] <knoba> rob0: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[23:30:55] <simbalion`> postfix thinks name at hostname dot com is local because hostname.com is local[23:31:35] <rob0> I thought you owned domain.com[23:32:12] <simbalion`> email is external, someemailcompany.com provides the email, which still uses the same domain name.[23:32:25] <simbalion`> the MX record is properly configured in DNS[23:32:40] <rob0> If Postfix thinks external addresses are local, it is misconfigured.[23:32:59] <simbalion`> ah, you're a bot[23:33:08] <simbalion`> I couldn't tell.[23:33:24] <rob0> I'm repeating myself because you don't seem to understand what I said.[23:33:39] <rob0> !tell simbalion` getting_help[23:33:39] <knoba> simbalion`: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[23:34:12] <simbalion`> I think you are repeating yourself because you don't seem to understand what I said, actually. So thanks but no thanks, I'll continue to wait for help from someone else.[23:34:22] <rob0> good luck[23:34:46] <simbalion`> You're being dishonest when you say that, which causes me to wonder why it was necessary.[23:34:58] <rob0> trolling is not needed here[23:35:08] <lunaphyte> MacWinner: i don't know of one off of the top of my head.[23:35:14] <lunaphyte> hi btw :)[23:35:27] <MacWinner> hello! Long time! Happy New Year[23:35:35] <lunaphyte> you too[23:39:50] <MacWinner> finally getting around to upgrading to 3.1 from 2.11.. wanna test to make sure smtputf8 stuff works[23:39:58] <lunaphyte> ah, nice[23:41:21] <lunaphyte> good timing. 2.11 probably won't be supported for too much longer, i'd imagine[23:46:28] *** caitnop <caitnop!~py@ool-1826eaa1.dyn.optonline.net> has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection)[23:46:52] *** caitnop <caitnop!~py@ool-1826eaa1.dyn.optonline.net> has joined #postfix