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[00:12:46] <Zerberus> smokeysea: he?
[00:13:21] <smokeysea> somehow its still shows the localdomain
[00:13:28] <Zerberus> no
[00:13:44] <Zerberus> man postconf and read what -d means
[00:14:21] <smokeysea> oops :(
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[00:14:42] <smokeysea> so default was localdomain
[00:15:11] <smokeysea> Zerberus: Thanks anyways.
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[01:25:10] <yates> i recently upgraded my system to f23 and have reconfigured postfix as far as i know, but i can not get a telnet connection: "Connection refused"
[01:25:32] <yates> my port 25 is open on the firewall, my nat on the router for port 25 is properly redirected.
[01:26:07] <yates> i have started postfix via systemctl start postfix and the status reports it's running
[01:26:28] <yates> but the strange thing is "ps -AL | grep postfix" doesn't find anything...
[01:26:58] <yates> one strange thing, that is.
[01:27:34] <yates> it was running fine on f21...
[01:28:06] <Aebian> lvlinux: well depends. I just need to tell postifx / dovecot to use the right .cf's and edit some values in their main.cf's . About SpamAssasin: I don't need anyhing else?
[01:29:33] <lvlinux> Aebian: you could also check for blacklists, but SpamAssasin may be able to handle that for you, not sure.
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[01:37:57] <yates> anyone?
[01:38:22] <Aebian> lvlinux: okay thanks
[01:39:30] <lvlinux> yates: check your mail logs --- obviously postfix isnt starting
[01:39:53] <yates> here is the systemctl status postfix: http://ur1.ca/oe8ro -> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/308860/22999541
[01:41:04] <yates> lvlinux: you mean /var/log/maillog ? it states nothing unusual: Jan 8 19:19:05 localhost postfix/master[2153]: daemon started -- version 3.0.3, configuration /etc/postfix
[01:42:00] <lvlinux> when you do a 'ps ax | grep postfix' right after starting it, does it show it?
[01:42:32] <yates> 2153 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/libexec/postfix/master -w
[01:42:55] <lvlinux> ok so it is running
[01:43:11] <yates> ok. so why isn't it listening on port 25?
[01:43:24] <lvlinux> well something is misconfigured i reckon :-)
[01:43:49] <yates> probably, huh? :)
[01:44:23] <lvlinux> do a 'netstat -nlt'
[01:44:39] <lvlinux> do you see any of the correct mail ports listening there?
[01:44:58] <yates> http://ur1.ca/oe8se -> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/308862/00291145
[01:45:01] <yates> yes
[01:45:19] <pj> !port_25_block
[01:45:19] <knoba> pj: "port_25_block" : Many consumer-grade ISPs (and some which claim to be for business, such as Godaddy) block outbound port 25/tcp traffic to prevent abuse from their network. If your ISP does this, you should see the !basic and !relayhost factoids. Or, upgrade to business-class service (or change ISP if you already had it.)
[01:45:32] <pj> yates: ^^^^^
[01:46:11] <pj> actually, that's not it
[01:46:15] <pj> tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
[01:46:21] <pj> postfix is listening on localhost
[01:46:24] <lvlinux> yup
[01:46:24] <yates> ah.
[01:46:25] <pj> you can't reach it from outside
[01:46:35] <pj> !inet_interfaces
[01:46:36] <knoba> pj: "inet_interfaces" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The network interface addresses that this mail system receives mail on. By default, the software claims all active interfaces on the machine. The parameter also controls delivery of mail to user at [ip dot address]. If your server does not react to connection attempts on a certain interface you should check this setting.
[01:46:41] <pj> yates: ^^^^^
[01:46:50] <yates> ok, reading. thanks!
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[05:20:48] <DarwinElf> Okay, I want to set up my mailserver to be secure. I use Postfix, and some other program on the OS (Slackware) thing for POP... I should also add IMAP I guess. I'm the only person using it right now, but if I figure this out, I'll move some of my sites to a professional server, maybe let some people sign up, and maybe still use my server on my LAN for mail
[05:21:23] <lunaphyte> you should turn off pop, and use only imap
[05:21:34] <DarwinElf> well I prefer POP sometimes
[05:21:46] <lunaphyte> there's no reason to use pop anymore
[05:21:58] <DarwinElf> there is for my mail client
[05:22:31] <DarwinElf> I went through a HOWTO how to set up security certificates to use with Sendmail, then couldn't configure that for some stuff. so I have certificates I guess I'll use with Postfix
[05:22:33] <thumbs> DarwinElf: what antiquated client is that?
[05:22:37] <DarwinElf> Thunderbird
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[05:22:43] <thumbs> DarwinElf: use IMAP.
[05:22:52] <DarwinElf> I use IMAP for some stuff and POP for others
[05:22:57] <lunaphyte> thunderbird does imap just fine
[05:23:13] <thumbs> DarwinElf: you don't want to use POP.
[05:23:30] <DarwinElf> yeah, then you need an entire other row listing it's email address in your email list. With POP, I can have as many POP accounts going to one mailbox instead of taking up more rows in the list
[05:23:54] <DarwinElf> and most of them, I don't need the messages saved once I've deleted it. This channel isn't about POP vs IMAP, I just want to set up Postfix to be secure
[05:23:55] <lunaphyte> anything that pop can do, imap does better
[05:23:58] <thumbs> what list are you referring to?
[05:24:18] <lunaphyte> rows in the list?
[05:26:20] <Poster> if you want TLS, you may wish to start here: http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html
[05:27:29] <DarwinElf> I also use re-alpine and even the plain 'mail' command. Don't try to convince me, or I'll set ignore
[05:29:25] <DarwinElf> if you don't know what I mean, you probably don't use Thunderbird as much as I do so don't know the advantages and disadvantages. In the main window, you have a list of accounts to the left. All IMAP accounts need their own row. POP can all go to one inbox and don't need their own row. That's enough of a reason for me, besides them being accounts I don't need the mail saved on the server for any reason
[05:30:16] <DarwinElf> Poster, thanks
[05:30:37] <lunaphyte> DarwinElf: you are going to have to accept that you will get feedback like this. silly nonsense "threats" of setting ignore are childish. learn to simply say "thanks, noted", and then move on.
[05:31:25] <DarwinElf> it's not a threat, it's a decision to listen or not; no one harms anyone by not listening
[05:32:21] <lunaphyte> yes, it was a threat. come now. it was an attempt to manipulate others into doing what you want.
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[05:33:05] <lunaphyte> anyway, we can move on from that.
[05:35:17] <DarwinElf> no, I was being polite enough that they don't have to waste their time--it's not a statement that I'd do harm. 'threat: 3. A denunciation to a person of ill to befall him; esp. a declaration of hostile determination or of loss, pain, punishment, or damage to be inflicted in retribution for or conditionally upon some course; a menace. Also fig. an indication of impending evil'--Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd ed.
[05:37:19] <DarwinElf> that other mis-definition seems maybe common in either FLOSS groups or outside of British English... people have said when I don't want to use some software anymore, that's a threat, like a denunciation of ill to befall them... it's nothing of the sort
[05:39:16] <lunaphyte> there must always be at least a certain degree of consideration for colloquialisms
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[05:42:06] <lunaphyte> i imagine it's unlikely that the essence was lost, even given a departure from the canonical lexicon
[05:42:14] <lunaphyte> honestly though, it's really ok
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[05:52:00] <DarwinElf> I almost set up TLS... so apparently if my site has a public MX record, I can't require encryption for SMTP, but I can still require it for AUTH (and that's probably best)?
[05:52:39] <lunaphyte> yes. auth should never be offered without encryption
[05:53:05] <lunaphyte> but that's all for submission, which is completely separate from mx traffic
[05:53:23] <DarwinElf> ok, great... and I didn't mean to appear angry, I'm just used to doing many things how I've always done them, some even since the days of MS-DOS
[05:53:37] <lunaphyte> port 25 [e.g. mx/smtp] should offer but not require encryption, and should not offer auth.
[05:54:07] <lunaphyte> port 587 [e.g. submission] should offer and require encryption, and should offer and require auth
[05:54:22] <lunaphyte> mua software is not to use port 25. only port 587
[05:54:27] <DarwinElf> I don't know how I have those set up right now
[05:54:47] <DarwinElf> I got a lot of great help to set up Postfix here some weeks/months ago, so I probably did it right, but I don't know
[05:55:31] <lunaphyte> well, if you have it set up as per the above, then you're in good shape
[05:57:44] <DarwinElf> are both those ports for Postfix or one is for whatever pop and soon imap program I'm using?
[05:58:16] <lunaphyte> both are postfix
[05:59:09] <DarwinElf> apparently i'ts not running on my server now for some reason... I thought I had set it to run by using /etc/rc.d/rc.postfix or something
[05:59:22] <DarwinElf> so I didn't see those ports open
[06:00:22] <DarwinElf> I had changed that file to a-x but forgot why... but I guess this means even if someone uses my contact form that mails postfix, it won't arrive
[06:00:30] <DarwinElf> that's all I've used it for so far
[06:01:07] <DarwinElf> and I looked in /etc/postfix/main.cf and didn't see the ports so I should review a setup guide
[06:10:08] <DarwinElf> I reread Postfix Basic Configuration, saw a minor/irrelevant mistake I had stopped using it for until I found it out, fixed that, but didn't see anything about ports in that article
[06:12:04] <DarwinElf> is what you described the default, or is there another article I should read?
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[07:18:48] <DarwinElf> postfix/postdrop[7179]: warning: mail_queue_enter: create file maildrop/522470.7179: Permission denied
[07:19:02] <DarwinElf> postfix/sendmail[7167]: warning: command "/usr/sbin/postdrop -r" exited with status 9
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[07:41:57] <DarwinElf> I upgraded Postfix, and now it crashes
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[08:23:12] <pj> DarwinElf: the BASIC_CONFIGURATION readme file is a starting place, the documentation for Postfix far exceeds that one file.
[08:28:55] <pj> anyways, POP (yuk) or IMAP is irrelevant to Postfix, and also irrelevant to submission save that you will likely use the same server for SASL AUTH.
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[08:37:25] <DarwinElf> ok
[08:42:44] <andry> Postfix gets mail from another MX or a client and drops/forwards the message where you want it ... if a mail hits yourdomain.tld, Postfix' next destination is probably a LDA like Dovecot, where you later ask for mail
[08:43:16] <andry> just fyi :P
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[12:31:02] <vvassilev> I am running a website: example.com. MX is example.com. If I run the mxtools on my website it complains about "Reverse DNS is not a valid Hostname ". Any idea what might be wrong, and sorry if that is offtopic...
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[13:00:39] <sysmonk> vvassilev: example.com points to IP1, but IP1 points to something wrong
[13:01:07] <sysmonk> !fcrdns
[13:01:07] <knoba> sysmonk: "fcrdns" : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Confirmed_reverse_DNS : your IP address should resolve to $myhostname, which in turn should resolve back to your IP. This is very important if you want big sites to accept your mail. If you can't have it from your ISP, see !relayhost
[13:01:42] <vvassilev> sysmonk: it is the case.
[13:02:03] <Bish> Hey folks, i wrote a little newsletter software, but alot of my mails get bounced, even though i tried alot, how to i actually build reputation?
[13:02:12] <Bish> i mean isn't that a chicken-egg problem?
[13:02:45] <vvassilev> sysmonk: dig +short -x 80.80.139.116
[13:03:30] <vvassilev> !relayhost
[13:03:30] <knoba> vvassilev: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.
[13:03:57] <sysmonk> vvassilev: what's the mxtools website you're talking about?
[13:04:37] <vvassilev> sysmonk: http://mxtoolbox.com
[13:04:56] <sysmonk> and you're checking against izbirambg.com ?
[13:05:35] <vvassilev> yes
[13:06:38] <vvassilev> sysmonk: we assume this the complaint is because we have the @ -> izbirambg.com and not to eg subdomain as ->mail.izbirambg.com. Does that make sense?
[13:06:44] <sysmonk> oh, that's probably it wants it a s a domain
[13:06:49] <sysmonk> !fqdn
[13:06:49] <knoba> sysmonk: "fqdn" : the 'Fully-Qualified Domain Name'. It consists of the hostname part and the domain part. 'www.postfix.org' is a FQDN whereas 'www' is not. Only DNS resolvable, fully-qualified domain names (FQDNs) are permitted when domain names are used in SMTP.
[13:06:54] <sysmonk> vvassilev: yeah, exactly what i thought
[13:07:15] <sysmonk> not sure which RFC requires that, i would assume that this is correct though
[13:07:37] <vvassilev> sysmonk: I am confused.
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[13:08:35] <Zerberus> your MX would be mail.cloud.solid-consult.com, as that is the FQDN of the system
[13:09:24] <sysmonk> Zerberus: disagree with that
[13:09:28] <sysmonk> it can be mail.example.com
[13:09:37] <vvassilev> Zerberus: I am confused, my rDNS points to izbirambg.com
[13:09:46] <vvassilev> not to solid-consult...
[13:09:54] <sysmonk> i.e. i haev a cluster behind mail.example.com, all serers have different hostnames (i.e. clust1.mail.example.com clust2.mail.example.com )
[13:09:58] <Zerberus> sysmonk: can be. but if you connect to the host izbirambg.com you'll see
[13:10:12] <sysmonk> Zerberus: the smtp banner doesn't mean anything
[13:11:04] <sysmonk> vvassilev: i'd say it's fine to have it as it is now, if you don't like the warnings you can create mail.example.com and point the IP there
[13:12:14] <vvassilev> sysmonk: thanks for the hints, so those warnings aren't so important. Is this true for all of them?
[13:13:23] <sysmonk> for mail delivery - i'd say so
[13:14:15] <sysmonk> the 503 on the http sounds bad thought :)
[13:14:30] <vvassilev> well, we redirect to https
[13:14:55] <sysmonk> redirect != 503
[13:14:58] <vvassilev> I.e. we force http to go through https. I don't know how their checking works...
[13:15:06] <vvassilev> argh, yes
[13:15:49] <vvassilev> It seems I cannot reproduce that, I get 301
[13:16:15] <sysmonk> same here
[13:16:26] <sysmonk> you can check your logs though to make sure what happened
[13:16:35] <sysmonk> is that bulgarian?
[13:16:42] <vvassilev> Yes
[13:17:03] <sysmonk> k, i always said i can read bulgarian to my .bg friends
[13:17:25] <vvassilev> Cool :)
[13:17:26] <sysmonk> just can't say if it's bulgarian or belarussian :)
[13:17:28] <Yatekii> guys can somebody help me: what is the difference between smtpd_tls_mandatory_protocols and smtpd_tls_mandatory_exclude_ciphers?
[13:17:44] <vvassilev> Already making the difference between BG and RU, that is good enough ;)
[13:17:50] <Yatekii> and how do I make TLS mandatory? smtpd_use_tls makes it just a possibility but not mandatory :S
[13:18:17] <vvassilev> sysmonk: we had a few spf questions but my colleague working on that is away now... :(
[13:18:47] <Yatekii> ah found em
[13:18:51] <Yatekii> it's smtp_tls_security_level
[13:19:06] <sysmonk> Yatekii: ciphers != protocols
[13:19:14] <sysmonk> Yatekii: not really
[13:19:21] <sysmonk> !smtp!=smtpd
[13:19:21] <knoba> sysmonk: "smtp!=smtpd" : Postfix smtp_* and smtpd_* configuration parameters have different meanings. smtp_ = client and smtpd_ = server, the client-side sends mail whilst the server-side receives mail. (smtp = client = sends mail) (smtpd = server = receives mail)
[13:19:47] <Yatekii> sysmonk: I forgot the d :)
[13:19:51] <sysmonk> so if you want your server to send email through TLS then it's SMTP_, if you want to receive email through TLS then it's SMTPD_
[13:19:59] <Yatekii> I know
[13:20:06] <Yatekii> just didn't type it, because I suck
[13:20:08] <Yatekii> ty :)
[13:20:35] <Yatekii> yeah well hmm so sslv3 e.g is a protocol and MD5 the cipher?
[13:21:31] <sysmonk> yes
[13:24:19] <Yatekii> Tyvm!!
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[15:13:10] <rotbeard> does a mail client retries to send a mail if it hits a 452 insufficient system storage error?
[15:15:35] <Zerberus> rotbeard: are you talking about a MUA or an MTA in the role of a client to transport to another MTA?
[15:17:33] <rotbeard> MUA, sorry
[15:17:41] <rotbeard> ah wait.
[15:17:43] <rotbeard> MTA :)
[15:17:52] <Zerberus> hve you sorted it out?
[15:18:31] <Zerberus> an MTA queues, a MUA does not and if communication with the MSA fails it errors out visible for the user
[15:19:03] <rotbeard> ah ok, that information helps me a lot. thank you Zerberus
[15:20:57] <rotbeard> + i saw my error. setting the message_size_limit to 50G rather than 50M wasn't that nice ;)
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[15:38:57] <beber_> Hi all
[15:39:25] <beber_> It looks like MAIL_CONFIG is not propagated to children process with v3.0.3, is this expected ?
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[16:38:24] <jimpop> RIP patriot.net?
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[21:13:27] <edgy> Hi, I have mail.add_x_header = On and I expected the header of the messages that's spamming my server to show the X-PHP-Originating-Script but postcat -q ID shows http://pastebin.com/wfz6dUd0
[21:13:38] <edgy> I only edited mydomain and myserver real names
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