January 7, 2016 
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January 7, 2016 [00:05:15] <thumbs> ugh - boss is still recommending pop because he thinks that IMAP can't download emails.[00:05:26] *** TheFatherMind has joined #postfix[00:05:30] *** TheFatherMind- has joined #postfix[00:05:39] *** TheFatherMind- has quit IRC[00:08:38] *** Darcidride has quit IRC[00:11:14] *** latez has quit IRC[00:13:32] <rob0> ugh[00:14:01] <thumbs> "IMAP can do everything POP do, better, and more"[00:14:04] <thumbs> *does[00:19:43] *** latez has joined #postfix[00:29:34] *** quenode has quit IRC[00:30:13] *** quenode has joined #postfix[00:32:09] *** silicong has joined #postfix[00:32:20] *** err-or_ has quit IRC[00:33:46] *** latez has quit IRC[00:37:39] *** latez has joined #postfix[00:38:37] *** camroncade has quit IRC[00:38:49] *** edux__ has joined #postfix[00:39:30] <pj> yep, the only reason to support POP is if you have to support an old client that doesn't support IMAP, and if that's the case you probably should just upgrade the client.[00:41:50] *** edux has quit IRC[00:43:37] *** pti-jean_ has quit IRC[00:46:41] *** nhooyr has quit IRC[00:47:30] *** nhooyr has joined #postfix[00:49:55] *** nhooyr has quit IRC[00:52:17] *** silicong has quit IRC[00:53:06] *** nhooyr has joined #postfix[00:55:58] *** wdp has quit IRC[01:11:49] *** joules has joined #postfix[01:13:00] *** rsx has joined #postfix[01:13:56] *** zapata has quit IRC[01:21:15] *** rsx has quit IRC[01:21:44] *** infides_afk has quit IRC[01:27:40] *** v1c3 has quit IRC[01:28:47] *** v1c3 has joined #postfix[01:29:33] *** v1c3 has quit IRC[01:30:38] *** v1c3 has joined #postfix[01:30:49] *** quenode has quit IRC[01:30:56] *** quenode has joined #postfix[01:32:23] *** v1c3 has quit IRC[01:39:40] *** v1c3 has joined #postfix[01:41:49] *** v1c3 has quit IRC[01:56:26] *** v1c3 has joined #postfix[02:05:31] *** joules has quit IRC[02:06:01] *** joules has joined #postfix[02:12:53] *** rsx has joined #postfix[02:16:35] *** v1c3 has quit IRC[02:18:16] *** peb` is now known as Ei[02:22:14] *** githogori has joined #postfix[02:53:56] *** joules has quit IRC[02:57:23] *** pozitrono has joined #postfix[02:57:50] *** joules has joined #postfix[03:18:08] *** TheFatherMind has quit IRC[03:18:17] *** joules has quit IRC[03:18:29] *** TheFatherMind has joined #postfix[03:19:54] *** joules has joined #postfix[03:22:58] *** huddy has quit IRC[03:32:58] *** rsx has quit IRC[03:33:34] *** rsx has joined #postfix[03:43:50] *** skylite has joined #postfix[03:46:14] *** skylite has quit IRC[03:57:11] *** lucascastro has joined #postfix[03:59:47] *** misterjack has quit IRC[03:59:54] *** misterjack has joined #postfix[04:00:00] *** rsx has quit IRC[04:00:26] *** rsx has joined #postfix[04:05:50] *** BoomerBile has quit IRC[04:30:47] *** lvlinux has joined #postfix[04:31:00] <lvlinux> !getting_help[04:31:00] <knoba> lvlinux: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[04:31:13] <lvlinux> !relevant_logs[04:31:13] <knoba> lvlinux: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.[04:31:39] <lvlinux> !showconfig factoids[04:31:39] <knoba> lvlinux: Error: "showconfig" is not a valid command.[04:31:49] <lvlinux> !showconfig_factoids[04:31:49] <knoba> lvlinux: Error: "showconfig_factoids" is not a valid command.[04:32:03] <lvlinux> !showconfig[04:32:03] <knoba> lvlinux: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, pastebin postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[04:40:01] *** Motoko has joined #postfix[04:43:50] <lvlinux> Is there any advantage or disadvantage to using virtual domains vs putting a domain in mynetworks? (other than virtual domains letting you forward to other destinations and not requiring a local account)[04:44:33] <thumbs> !mynetworks[04:44:33] <knoba> thumbs: "mynetworks" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of "trusted" SMTP clients that can relay email.[04:44:52] <thumbs> lvlinux: you're missing the point of mynetworks, and you should have an empty mynetworks too[04:45:14] <lvlinux> I'm sorry I meant mydestination![04:45:33] <lvlinux> mynetworks is 127.0.0.0/8 and ::1[04:46:11] <lvlinux> is that ok or should it be blank? (and if so, why?)[04:48:29] <lvlinux> !mydestination[04:48:29] <knoba> lvlinux: "mydestination" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The list of domains that Postfix delivers via the $local_transport mail delivery transport. By default, mail is given to the Postfix local(8) delivery agent that looks up all recipients in /etc/passwd and /etc/aliases, or their equivalents. See http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#mydestination for more information.[04:48:54] *** TheFatherMind has quit IRC[04:49:30] *** v1c3 has joined #postfix[04:51:42] *** v1c3 has quit IRC[04:51:47] *** penrod has joined #postfix[04:56:07] *** v1c3 has joined #postfix[04:56:43] <lvlinux> So to correct my original question: Is there any advantage or disadvantage to using virtual domains vs putting a domain in mynetworks? (other than virtual domains letting you forward to other destinations and not requiring a local account)[04:56:57] <lvlinux> s/mynetworks/mydestination/g[04:57:05] <lvlinux> oh for heaven sakes...[04:57:08] <lvlinux> sry[04:58:21] <lvlinux> Is there any advantage or disadvantage to using virtual domains vs putting a domain in mydestination? (other than virtual domains letting you forward to other email addresses or users and not requiring a local account)[04:58:27] <lvlinux> There.[04:58:42] <lvlinux> didn't mean to spam the channel...[05:00:21] *** v1c3 has quit IRC[05:05:41] *** v1c3 has joined #postfix[05:16:29] <jaybe> lvlinux, 1. user accounts. 2. virtual accounts.[05:17:39] <lvlinux> jaybe: ?? what do you mean?[05:18:20] <jaybe> local mail needs a system user as a recipient. a system user account.[05:18:30] <lvlinux> yes[05:18:36] <jaybe> i.d. id 501 = bob[05:18:44] <jaybe> virtual domains/accounts, ... do not.[05:18:56] <lvlinux> yes I understand that---so that is the only advantage of virtual ones?[05:19:15] <jaybe> it's not an advantage; it's a difference[05:19:24] <lvlinux> yes of course[05:19:52] <lvlinux> Ok, just wanted to make sure there weren't any other reasons that I should do one over the other.[05:20:02] <jaybe> technically, aliases will allow forwarding locally or elsewhere as well[05:20:15] <lvlinux> ok yes that's what I thought.[05:20:18] <jaybe> i can offer this advice/information: simple... wins.[05:20:35] <lvlinux> yup. that's what I'm shooting for. :-)[05:20:37] <lvlinux> Thanks![05:20:55] <jaybe> if you don't NEED 'virtual', and can't explain how/why either way, ... then keep it simple.. :)[05:21:35] <lvlinux> k. I do for one domain that I need a catchall and some forwarding. But the rest I guess I can just leave in mydestination.[05:22:23] <jaybe> !basic[05:22:23] <knoba> jaybe: "basic" : http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html : a good starting place for Postfix beginners, many common questions are answered here.[05:22:24] <jaybe> !virtual[05:22:25] <knoba> jaybe: "virtual" : a way to configure additional domains and mailboxes that do not require individual system accounts. See: http://www.postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html[05:22:29] <jaybe> !submission[05:22:29] <knoba> jaybe: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[05:22:32] <jaybe> !sasl[05:22:32] <knoba> jaybe: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.[05:23:17] <phunyguy> lunaphyte: alright, got slave DB set up on one. Testing now![05:24:10] <lvlinux> yup I've got all that down I believe. and FWIW I did check that page at postfix.org and read there before asking here. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything or misunderstanding. Thanks![05:37:33] *** v1c3 has quit IRC[05:37:39] <pj> lvlinux: the only other difference that I can see that you did not mention is that virtual mailboxes are denoted by the full account name including the local part (username) and domain part. local mailboxes are denoted only by the local part.[05:38:31] <pj> ...oh and virtual mailboxes use the virtual delivery agent by default.[05:39:49] *** joules has quit IRC[05:47:18] *** joules has joined #postfix[05:50:30] <phunyguy> lunaphyte: OMG it works! Oh boy this is nice. No more !mantra (for now)[05:50:40] <phunyguy> I will do #2 tomorrow.[05:50:43] <phunyguy> goodnight.[05:54:06] *** joules has quit IRC[05:56:37] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[06:06:10] *** edux__ has quit IRC[06:07:46] *** rsx has quit IRC[06:19:07] *** Tourist has joined #postfix[06:27:10] *** TheFatherMind has joined #postfix[06:50:08] *** penrod has left #postfix[06:58:51] *** Psi-Jack has quit IRC[06:59:26] *** Psi-Jack has joined #postfix[07:09:24] *** err-or has joined #postfix[07:17:21] *** Motoko has quit IRC[07:31:06] *** ced117 has quit IRC[07:34:25] *** zapata has joined #postfix[07:35:51] *** nyloc has quit IRC[07:36:28] *** nyloc has joined #postfix[07:38:22] *** gu1lle_ has quit IRC[07:54:09] *** d0nn1e has quit IRC[07:56:50] *** d0nn1e has joined #postfix[08:35:41] *** Haudegen has quit IRC[08:51:16] <dynek> Hello. Hope you are all doing well. I have a postfix instance running on a machine with multiple network interface. Is there a way to have the network interface that received the connection to show up in the log for each mail?[08:53:37] *** Haudegen has joined #postfix[08:56:18] *** RadoQ has quit IRC[08:58:02] *** joules has joined #postfix[09:04:09] *** carl- has joined #postfix[09:05:25] *** lrea has joined #postfix[09:06:07] *** TyrfingMjolnir has joined #postfix[09:07:15] *** joules has quit IRC[09:12:39] *** SelfishMan has quit IRC[09:20:44] *** SCHAAP137 has joined #postfix[09:21:54] *** joules has joined #postfix[09:28:00] *** skylite has joined #postfix[09:30:53] *** joules has quit IRC[09:35:48] *** joules has joined #postfix[09:45:25] *** d0nn1e has quit IRC[09:47:17] <Zerberus> dynek: see the syslog_name option[09:47:31] *** d0nn1e has joined #postfix[09:51:07] *** zigurat has joined #postfix[09:52:19] <zigurat> Hi. Wtf is localhost.$mydomain?[09:53:34] <Zerberus> zigurat: a hostname based on the variable $mydomain[09:53:54] <zigurat> So it's localhost.example.com? What kind of hostname is that?[09:54:36] <Zerberus> zigurat: I don't understand what your issue is[09:55:29] <zigurat> local traffic is transported locally but I want it to go to a relay. The config is 'mydestination = localhost.$mydomain, localhost, localhost.localdomain'. I want to understand what can I remove from there[09:56:40] <Zerberus> remove all entries for which you don't want Postfix to act as a local(8) destination[09:58:18] <zigurat> Ok. I know what localhost is. But what is localhost.example.com or localhost.localdomain. When are they used?[10:02:37] <Zerberus> they are used when they are specified by your host[10:06:59] <pj> zigurat: I think you misunderstand what mydestination is for.[10:07:35] <pj> you want outbound traffic to go out via a relay, so you want the relayhost option[10:07:39] <pj> !tell zigurat relayhost[10:07:41] <knoba> zigurat: "relayhost" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The default host to send non-local mail to when no entry is matched in the optional transport(5) table. When no relayhost is given, mail is routed directly to the destination. If your relay host requires authentication see the !saslclient channel factoid.[10:15:43] <dynek> Zerberus: thank you! so I'd just create one smtpd entry in master.cf with different syslog_name - that's what you were thinking ? :-)[10:21:23] *** bolt has quit IRC[10:26:34] *** bolt has joined #postfix[10:32:29] *** vvassilev has joined #postfix[10:33:01] <vvassilev> Hi all! Should I use forwarding postfix on ubuntu as mta or should I pickup something else? I.e. what is the overhead in comparison to other 'lightweight mtas'? Of course I need ssl and to be able to send and receive gmail mails...[10:34:20] *** bolt has quit IRC[10:36:45] *** SelfishMan has joined #postfix[10:37:10] *** bolt has joined #postfix[10:40:04] *** osten has joined #postfix[10:42:15] *** infides_afk has joined #postfix[10:48:46] <pj> dynek: yes, you can specify the IP address (and hence the interface) for each interface to listen on.[10:49:59] <pj> vvassilev: what do you intend to be using postfix for?[10:50:52] <vvassilev> forwarding mail to a postfix smarthost.[10:51:46] <vvassilev> All my concerns are gone ( I spoke to the folk from ubu chan). Sorry for the noise.[10:59:05] <pj> vvassilev: postfix may be overkill for what you want, though.[10:59:47] <pj> it won't have performance issues, but it may simply be unnecessarily complex if, for example, all you want is a null client[10:59:52] <pj> !tell vvassilev nullclient[10:59:53] <knoba> vvassilev: "nullclient" : a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details.[11:00:32] <vvassilev> pj: can nullclient send/receive gmail emails?[11:01:40] <pj> not sure what you mean by send/receive gmail emails.[11:02:30] <pj> you need to be more specific about what you want postfix to do, that's why I asked.[11:04:10] <vvassilev> pj: I read on askubuntu smth like "A more lightweight, and more simple alternative is nullmailer, although I'm not sure if it is capable of using all the secure transport methods required for Google Mail."[11:04:45] <pj> what exactly do you want to do with gmail?[11:05:11] <vvassilev> pj: We are setting up a mail server on our soho cloud.[11:05:19] <pj> and?[11:05:57] <vvassilev> pj: on the proxy/gateway we are wondering whether we should install forwarding postfix or another mta. On the back we are running postfix to handle mail.[11:06:51] <vvassilev> Sorry if this doesn't make it any clearer, we are finding our way around :)[11:06:58] <pj> so you want postfix to act as a relayhost, so you can send mail through it to the internet at large?[11:07:00] <vvassilev> *trying to find :)[11:07:15] <pj> or a submission server (technically pretty much the same as a relayhost)[11:07:20] <vvassilev> pj: exactly, except we don't have a lot of traffic.[11:07:26] <pj> yeah, you want postfix[11:07:36] <pj> a nullclient won't fill that role.[11:07:49] <vvassilev> This is what I was told on the other chan.[11:08:04] <vvassilev> Thanks for confirming that pj![11:08:25] <pj> you will likely want to set it up with sasl authentication and use port 587 for submission.[11:08:28] <pj> !submission[11:08:29] <knoba> pj: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[11:08:30] <pj> !sasl[11:08:30] <knoba> pj: "sasl" : SASL is 'Simple Authentication and Security Layer', necessary for SMTP AUTH, and provided to Postfix by addin software. Cyrus SASL and/or Dovecot IMAP/POP3 can provide SASL. See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html for details.[11:08:37] <pj> ...and TLS, of course[11:08:38] <pj> !tls[11:08:39] <knoba> pj: "tls" : Transport Layer Security (RFC2246). Previously known as SSL, TLS adds a layer of encryption to protocols such as SMTP, submission, IMAP or POP3 to improve security during transmission over the Internet. TLS is implemented using the STARTTLS method, while the non-standard wrapper style of implementation is deprecated at this point. See http://www.postfix.org/TLS_README.html for more info.[11:09:21] <vvassilev> !msa[11:09:21] <knoba> vvassilev: "msa" : Message Submission Agent : a process which accepts message submissions from MUAs on port 587 known as 'message submission service' using the 'message submission protocol' defined by rfc4409. To enable message submission service in postfix uncomment the relevant lines in master.cf. also see !submission.[11:09:32] <dynek> Zerberus & pj: thanks it works perfectly![11:09:44] <pj> dynek: yw[11:10:52] <pj> vvassilev: if you have any more questions about how to set this up, please ask.[11:11:14] <vvassilev> pj: Will do! Thanks a lot![11:13:21] <pj> vvassilev: yw[11:22:00] *** zorg1 has joined #postfix[11:32:15] *** frdmn has quit IRC[11:33:48] *** frdmn has joined #postfix[11:33:49] *** frdmn has joined #postfix[11:42:14] *** feisar has joined #postfix[11:44:27] *** edux has joined #postfix[11:48:18] *** edux has quit IRC[12:03:54] *** pozitrono has quit IRC[12:04:40] *** infides_afk has quit IRC[12:08:06] *** DarwinElf has joined #postfix[12:10:25] *** DarwinElf has quit IRC[12:10:58] *** DarwinElf has joined #postfix[12:14:03] *** lucascastro has quit IRC[12:15:22] <DarwinElf> I'm thinking of trying lots of stuff to make a secure mailserver so I could use it remotely... maybe not tonight, but all the stuff like certificates and whatever else someone also suggested here[12:15:57] <pj> DarwinElf: define "secure" and define how you want to use it?[12:17:17] *** DarwinElf has quit IRC[12:17:45] *** DarwinElf has joined #postfix[12:19:45] *** vvassilev has quit IRC[12:28:41] *** RadoQ has joined #postfix[12:34:34] *** leeyaa has joined #postfix[12:34:40] <leeyaa> hi[12:35:20] <leeyaa> is it possible to tell for a client which domain name he has used to connect to the mail server ? e.g. is the client using mail.domain1.com in his mail client or mail.domain2.com ?[12:35:48] <leeyaa> i was not able to find a way[12:35:49] <Tuxick> makes little sense[12:36:06] *** Section1 has joined #postfix[12:36:08] <leeyaa> Tuxick, when you configure your mail client you put something for outbound and inbound servers[12:36:26] <leeyaa> i need to find out what did you use[12:36:37] <leeyaa> not sure if it is possible at all[12:36:38] <Tuxick> that's in the header[12:36:42] <DarwinElf> makes sense to me[12:36:53] <leeyaa> Tuxick, there is no hostname in smtp headers[12:38:09] <leeyaa> to explain my case - some clients are using mail.domain1.com and some mail.domain2.com i need to find who is using what[12:38:13] <leeyaa> erm bad grammer[12:38:18] <leeyaa> grammar*[12:41:02] *** BoomerBile has joined #postfix[12:43:02] <pj> leeyaa: no it is not possible to determine that unless the domains have different IP addresses.[12:43:59] <pj> leeyaa: what is the actual problem you're trying to solve, here?[12:48:25] <leeyaa> pj, some domains do have different ip addresses for mail.domain.com[12:48:34] <leeyaa> the actual problem is to figure out how users are connecting[12:48:47] <pj> leeyaa: to what end?[12:48:50] <leeyaa> e.g. are they using mail.domain.com inside their email client or mail.domain2.com[12:49:23] <pj> what do you intend to do with that information?[12:49:34] <leeyaa> pj, migrate some of the users to another system[12:49:58] <DarwinElf> I would have had the same question eventually, for a different reason[12:50:51] <pj> leeyaa: well postfix cannot differentiate between the hostnames used to connect, to do so is technically impossible, but it *can* differentiate from the IP address, so if the hostnames have a separate IP then you can use multiple entries in master.cf to differentiate.[12:51:18] <leeyaa> pj, can you explain a bit more please[12:51:46] <pj> well, you want to migrate some users to a new server, I take it those are users connecting to a particular domain?[12:51:47] <leeyaa> i was planning to try setting up a different mail.domain.com for some users with different ip address forwarding to same local servers where the postfix is[12:52:04] <leeyaa> and then inspect the traffic to check which domain are the users using[12:52:14] *** hxm has joined #postfix[12:52:42] *** hxm has quit IRC[12:53:09] <pj> ok, well, so the users are all using the same hostname now?[12:53:10] <leeyaa> pj, the problem is lots of users are using all kinds of different domains. my end goal is to be able to tell which domain is each user using[12:53:18] <leeyaa> pj, no, thats the problem[12:53:24] *** feisar has quit IRC[12:53:32] *** hxm has joined #postfix[12:53:33] <pj> ok, well for starters let's define a coupel things here...[12:53:44] <pj> domain is the part of an email address after the "@" symbol[12:53:57] <pj> hostname is a name assigned to a host that can be connected to.[12:53:57] *** hxm is now known as Guest56481[12:54:02] <leeyaa> was just about to explain, they use different hostnames[12:54:09] <pj> these defenitions help to avoid confusion.[12:54:16] <Tuxick> quite :)[12:54:19] <leeyaa> yeah sorry about that ;p[12:54:52] <pj> ok, so these users are connecting to different hostnames but they are currently pointing to the same server?[12:55:02] <leeyaa> yes[12:55:13] <pj> the same IP address as well, or differnet IP addresses?[12:55:24] *** Guest56481 has quit IRC[12:55:24] *** Guest56481 has joined #postfix[12:55:35] <leeyaa> same ip. i am planning to add a second ip and change the mail.domain.com A record to that ip then inspect the traffic[12:55:44] <leeyaa> but not sure if that will help either as smtp headers dont have hostname[12:55:53] <pj> ok, well I want to establish what the current situation is first...[12:56:18] <pj> ok, now these different hostnames, do they correlate directly to which users you want to move to a different server?[12:56:50] <leeyaa> not sure i understand the last question[12:57:08] <pj> ok, say you have two hostnames, mail.example.com and mail.example.net...[12:57:52] <pj> do you want all the users who currently connect to mail.example.com to stay on the existing server and all of the users who currently connect to mail.example.net to be moved to a new server?[12:58:17] <leeyaa> no[12:58:18] <pj> or is there a mix in there where they don't map out directly to one hostname or the other?[12:58:27] <leeyaa> there is a mix[12:58:53] <pj> ok, so you might have some users connecting to mail.example.com that stay on the existing server and others moving to the new server?[12:59:01] <leeyaa> yes[12:59:07] <leeyaa> otherwise i would just change their A records[12:59:15] <leeyaa> or proxy them[12:59:17] <pj> ok, before continuing, why are you moving these users?[12:59:24] <pj> why these particular users?[12:59:24] *** wmp has quit IRC[12:59:45] <leeyaa> updating the infrastructure. eventually all will be moved. these are the pilot users[12:59:46] *** wmp has joined #postfix[12:59:52] <pj> ok ...[13:00:00] <pj> well, what I would do is this...[13:00:03] *** wmp is now known as Guest66880[13:00:20] <pj> create a new hostname: mail2.example.com (or whatever) and assign it to the new server.[13:00:30] *** Haudegen has quit IRC[13:00:34] <pj> set up your new server so that it will work with *all* accounts.[13:00:50] <pj> then just tell those users you want to change their hostname to mail2.example.com[13:01:12] <pj> or even announce that you need some volunteer users to test the new server and let them be self-selecting.[13:01:23] <leeyaa> pj, thats exactly what i wanted to avoid. is there no other way ?[13:01:35] <leeyaa> like tell the hostname from logs somewhere[13:02:21] <pj> well, no, not really. even if you could tell the hostname how would you direct some users to the new server based on that when you've already said that the hostname they use doesn't actually correspond to which users will be moved?[13:02:34] <leeyaa> i guess what i could do is setup one IP to point to vm-mail1 server and second ip to point to vm-mail2 server then just check logs[13:02:56] <leeyaa> i mean on balancer level[13:03:07] *** dFence has joined #postfix[13:03:07] *** DarwinElf has quit IRC[13:03:48] <pj> well, no, hang on a min, I'm still trying to determine what you're trying to do with the hostnames. It doesn't seem like it would help even if you could differentiate based on hostname.[13:04:15] <pj> if you can explain why you think it would help, maybe I can help you to find a solution.[13:04:27] *** DarwinElf has joined #postfix[13:05:26] *** edux has joined #postfix[13:06:10] <leeyaa> pj, here is part of the setup: most users use mail.our-server.com for hostname. small part of the users use mail.(their own domain).com for hostname. we want to test with a few users that use only mail.(their own domain).com, because in that case we change the IP for that mail.domain.com to point to the new server and thats how we move them.[13:06:26] *** Guest66880 has quit IRC[13:06:38] <leeyaa> thats who we move first*[13:06:45] <leeyaa> its easier, because you just change the DNS[13:07:00] <leeyaa> then after we confirm it is ok just change the dns for other domains[13:07:27] *** puhuri has quit IRC[13:07:31] <pj> leeyaa: sure, so why not just change the dns on those few domains?[13:07:38] <pj> why does postfix have to know about it?[13:07:51] <leeyaa> pj, i have no idea if they are really using mail.their domain.com or our domains[13:08:02] <pj> ok, I see[13:08:14] <leeyaa> i mean i can see in their dns zone that they are supposed to use mail.their domain.com[13:08:19] <leeyaa> but in reality some dont do that[13:08:20] <pj> well, you can do one of two things...[13:08:46] <pj> either you can just go ahead and change one or two of the domains over, then check the server logs on both servers and see which users are still logging in on the old server...[13:08:48] <pj> or...[13:08:55] *** DarwinElf has quit IRC[13:09:02] <leeyaa> i have no access to logs on the new cluster[13:09:24] <pj> ok, but you do have access to the logs on the old, so you could at least see which users did not move.[13:09:47] <pj> anyways, the other thing you can do, which is more in line with what you want, is something like this...[13:10:01] *** WiuEmPe has joined #postfix[13:10:05] *** WiuEmPe is now known as Guest30279[13:10:18] <pj> these users should be using the submission port (587) and not port 22, correct?[13:10:26] <pj> or is that an issue as well?[13:10:33] *** DarwinElf has joined #postfix[13:10:58] <pj> err not port 25[13:11:01] <pj> (it's late)[13:11:11] <leeyaa> they use 80 443 110 143 993 995 587 25 (on 80 and 443 there is webmail on mail.their domain.com[13:12:05] <leeyaa> but i guess the http ports are irrelevant[13:12:23] <leeyaa> so just 587 and 25[13:14:55] <leeyaa> hm[13:15:09] <pj> ok, so they *are* submitting on 25?[13:15:14] <pj> that's not good.[13:15:25] <pj> 25 is for MX communication, not submission.[13:15:52] <pj> and that complicates things here.[13:15:54] <leeyaa> they connect on 25 and it gets forwarded to 10125[13:16:01] <pj> huh?[13:16:06] <leeyaa> yeah[13:16:14] <leeyaa> its old crazy setup that i inherited[13:16:17] <pj> ok, why forward to 10125?[13:16:24] <leeyaa> 25 is for local delivery[13:16:29] <pj> Is this server an MX?[13:16:37] <leeyaa> it is[13:16:43] <leeyaa> its complicated :D[13:16:46] <pj> ok, 25 should be for MX, then[13:16:51] <pj> not for submission[13:17:05] <leeyaa> it "should" :)[13:17:20] <pj> well, take this move as an opportunity to correct that mess.[13:17:45] <leeyaa> im taking this opportunity to get rid of managing the mail servers[13:17:50] <leeyaa> they are on ubuntu 6[13:17:51] <pj> ok, well I'll give you the short version because I have to go soon...[13:18:00] <leeyaa> with 3 postfix instances on each server[13:18:05] <leeyaa> its crazy[13:18:39] <pj> in master.cf each inet entry starts with a port (it could be the name of a port as shown in /etc/services)...[13:18:48] <pj> but it can be IP:port[13:18:52] *** lucascastro has joined #postfix[13:19:08] <pj> so you can have, for example: 1.2.3.4:submission[13:19:15] <pj> and another line with 5.6.7.8:submission[13:19:39] <pj> and it will route traffic into those two IPs to the respective services.[13:19:40] *** Haudegen has joined #postfix[13:20:08] <pj> then you can use the syslog_name directive on each of those services to specify a different name to log with.[13:20:15] <pj> so you can then tell the difference in the logs.[13:20:30] <leeyaa> i think i get your idea[13:20:45] <pj> that's how you would do it.[13:20:55] <leeyaa> ill have to update the forwarding too though[13:21:08] <pj> but as I said, it's by IP, not hostname, so you have to properly map those hostnames to separate IPs.[13:21:10] <pj> right[13:21:52] <leeyaa> using syslog will tell me who is using the new submission instance[13:22:04] <leeyaa> thanks a lot pj that makes sense[13:22:04] <pj> !syslog_name[13:22:05] <knoba> pj: "syslog_name" : a configuration parameter in the main.cf: The mail system name that is prepended to the process name in syslog records, so that "smtpd" becomes, for example, "postfix/smtpd".[13:22:09] <pj> yw[13:22:19] <pj> anyways, I'm heading off to bed now, so good luck.[13:22:30] <leeyaa> knoba, you can do it with os settings too[13:22:44] *** puhuri has joined #postfix[13:23:45] <leeyaa> pj, a second option is to point IP1 to vm1 and IP2 to vm2[13:23:49] <leeyaa> then simply inspect logs[13:23:54] *** DarwinElf has quit IRC[13:25:48] *** DarwinElf has joined #postfix[13:29:34] *** SCHAAP137 has quit IRC[13:29:44] *** puhuri has quit IRC[13:32:21] *** DarwinElf has quit IRC[13:32:47] *** DarwinElf has joined #postfix[13:36:32] *** SCHAAP137 has joined #postfix[13:42:34] *** DarwinElf has quit IRC[13:42:52] *** DarwinElf has joined #postfix[13:43:44] *** Guest56481 is now known as hxm[13:44:10] *** puhuri has joined #postfix[13:48:44] *** puhuri has quit IRC[13:50:58] *** DarwinElf has quit IRC[13:52:01] *** DarwinElf has joined #postfix[13:57:15] *** DarwinElf has quit IRC[13:57:41] *** DarwinElf has joined #postfix[13:59:10] *** edux has quit IRC[14:01:10] *** puhuri has joined #postfix[14:09:40] *** sawtooth has joined #postfix[14:11:36] <sawtooth> is it possible with postfix to specify a default value for ldap_table results?[14:11:58] <sawtooth> e.g, if i lookup and attribute and it's empty - can i then substitute it for something else?[14:12:45] <sawtooth> attribute value more specifically[14:14:24] *** puhuri has quit IRC[14:14:30] *** synthroid has joined #postfix[14:16:18] *** DarwinElf has quit IRC[14:16:35] *** DarwinElf has joined #postfix[14:17:32] *** buki has quit IRC[14:18:02] *** buki has joined #postfix[14:18:12] <lunaphyte> !tell sawtooth goal[14:18:12] <knoba> sawtooth: "goal" : describe your goal, not what you think the solution is[14:18:23] *** Cerise has quit IRC[14:18:29] *** nesthib has quit IRC[14:19:20] *** vigilvindex has quit IRC[14:19:26] *** godlike has quit IRC[14:19:31] *** Freeaqingme has quit IRC[14:19:49] *** Freeaqingme has joined #postfix[14:20:12] *** vvassilev has joined #postfix[14:20:38] *** vigilvindex has joined #postfix[14:21:25] *** DarwinElf has quit IRC[14:21:41] *** godlike has joined #postfix[14:21:42] *** godlike has joined #postfix[14:22:52] *** nesthib has joined #postfix[14:22:53] *** DarwinElf has joined #postfix[14:23:53] <sawtooth> lunaphyte: basically i'm migrating a very large number of users between two mail stores[14:24:04] *** Tahvok has joined #postfix[14:24:08] <Tahvok> Hello[14:24:08] *** DarwinElf has left #postfix[14:24:21] <lunaphyte> sawtooth: what's the actual problem you're trying to solve?[14:24:38] <sawtooth> as they are migrated i plan on updating a field in ldap to say they have been migrated and hoping that the mta can lookup that field and deliver mail to it[14:24:47] <sawtooth> deliver mail to the 'new' system[14:24:57] <sawtooth> if the field is empty, deliver to the old system[14:25:03] <Tahvok> I've been try to configure postfix to use aws ses to send emails, but no matter what, I get '530 Authentication required'[14:25:35] <Tahvok> What should I check? If you need more info, just tell me what you need[14:26:06] *** puhuri has joined #postfix[14:26:24] <Tahvok> I have went trough aws guide multiple times already.. http://docs.aws.amazon.com/ses/latest/DeveloperGuide/postfix.html[14:27:58] <rob0> !tell Tahvok saslclient[14:27:58] <knoba> Tahvok: "saslclient" : See http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html#client_sasl when you need client-side SASL authentication to deliver mail to another server[14:28:54] <lunaphyte> sawtooth: that's the equivalent of a transport field[14:29:10] <lunaphyte> use one value for one server, another value for the other server[14:30:16] <sawtooth> lunaphyte: problem is my directory (ldap) doesn't have a value for the 'old' server[14:30:31] <lunaphyte> you're changing directory servers too?[14:30:54] <sawtooth> nope[14:31:01] <sawtooth> e.g.:[14:31:34] <sawtooth> query_filter = (&(&(objectClass=MailIdentity))(|(PrimaryMailAddress=%u@%d)(mailLocalAddress=%u@%d)))[14:31:41] <sawtooth> result_attribute= mailRoutingAddress[14:31:47] <sawtooth> result_attribute= mailRoutingAddress[14:31:52] <sawtooth> woops[14:31:54] <sawtooth> result_format = lmtp:[%s]:24[14:32:02] *** sphenxes has quit IRC[14:32:09] <sawtooth> so - mailRoutingAddress is the 'new' mailstore once their data is migrated[14:32:25] <sawtooth> but it's only populated post migration[14:32:35] *** sphenxes has joined #postfix[14:32:47] <sawtooth> %s is completely ignored if the value is blank so i'm a bit lost[14:33:24] *** davlefouAMD has joined #postfix[14:34:07] <sawtooth> or can i just configure a global transport map? but what is the precedence for user based lookups?[14:34:46] *** dFence has quit IRC[14:41:59] *** infides_afk has joined #postfix[14:42:21] <lunaphyte> i might be able to help more in a little while[14:44:03] <sawtooth> nps[14:46:30] *** zigurat has quit IRC[14:46:55] *** dstarh has joined #postfix[14:47:13] <lunaphyte> i have an "emergency" to deal with...[14:53:25] *** leeyaa has quit IRC[14:57:54] <Tuxick> girl broke a nal?[14:58:09] <Tuxick> user was expecting mail and after 45 seconds still didn't arrive?[14:58:37] <lunaphyte> close enough.[14:59:10] *** leeyaa has joined #postfix[14:59:26] <lunaphyte> chicken little, panicked, overreactions to mundane a phishing email[14:59:46] *** finster has joined #postfix[15:00:40] <lunaphyte> *a mundane[15:04:42] <Tuxick> :)[15:05:09] <Tuxick> it's why i hope for next job i will no longer have to deal with first line support[15:05:25] <Tuxick> this mains including the stuff webmasters throw over the fence[15:05:32] <Tuxick> can't call that second line :)[15:06:09] <Tahvok> rob0: I have this all configured. It looks the same as the guide I sent.[15:15:36] *** edux has joined #postfix[15:17:14] <rob0> !tell Tahvok getting_help[15:17:14] <knoba> Tahvok: "getting_help" : before asking your question, read the !relevant_logs and !showconfig factoids, and prepare a single pastebin containing all of that data. if you don't understand what this means, or if you need help doing this, please let us know. also see !pastebin[15:19:03] *** showaz has joined #postfix[15:22:24] *** FinboySlick has joined #postfix[15:32:57] <Tahvok> rob0: Tell me if you need anything else please: https://gist.github.com/Tahvok/b6d4c74146608be51cf1[15:33:34] *** dynek has left #postfix[15:39:35] *** puhuri has quit IRC[15:40:36] *** pozitron has joined #postfix[15:40:59] *** puhuri has joined #postfix[15:55:49] *** Ei is now known as peb`[15:57:39] *** lucascastro has quit IRC[16:01:01] *** feisar has joined #postfix[16:01:56] *** zapata has quit IRC[16:03:00] *** azertyui has joined #postfix[16:03:05] <azertyui> hi there[16:05:26] *** feisar has quit IRC[16:22:16] <finster> hello fellow postfix users[16:23:09] *** namix has quit IRC[16:23:37] <finster> i am viewing a message with postmap -q <queue-id) (postfix 2.9.6). there is a section called "envelop records", which contains an attribute sender. that attribute is converted to the envelope_from address during smtp delivery, right?[16:23:48] <finster> s/velop/velope/1[16:24:43] *** v1c3 has joined #postfix[16:27:30] *** v1c3 has quit IRC[16:28:00] *** namix has joined #postfix[16:28:02] *** namix has joined #postfix[16:33:48] *** skylite has quit IRC[16:34:22] <mage_> stupid question: I've installed a smtp server for our machines, and I would like to replace sendmail with postfix on some machines, so that the periodic script, cron, etc works.. I guess I should just put my smtp server as the relay_host ?[16:34:52] <lunaphyte> !tell mage_ nullclient[16:34:52] <knoba> mage_: "nullclient" : a null client is a computer that can only send mail. it receives no mail from the network, and it does not deliver any mail locally. while postfix can be configured to fill this role, it is often unnecessary overkill, and a much simpler software package is more appropriate. see !nullclient_software for more details.[16:35:23] <mage_> !nullclient_software[16:35:23] <knoba> mage_: "nullclient_software" : a program that serves as a drop in replacement for /usr/sbin/sendmail and provides a simple means to submit messages to an existing msa without the need to install and maintain a full-blown mta/msa. examples include msmtp, esmtp, ssmtp and nullmailer. also see !msa[16:35:24] <rob0> Tahvok, ^^ nullclient might be a good idea for you, too.[16:35:43] <mage_> thanks[16:35:44] <mage_> !msa[16:35:44] <knoba> mage_: "msa" : Message Submission Agent : a process which accepts message submissions from MUAs on port 587 known as 'message submission service' using the 'message submission protocol' defined by rfc4409. To enable message submission service in postfix uncomment the relevant lines in master.cf. also see !submission.[16:35:50] * rob0 gripes and fusses about sidescrolling pastebins :([16:36:06] <lunaphyte> mage_: i recommend msmtp[16:36:11] <mage_> what do you recommend between msmtp, esmtp, ssmtp and nullmailer ?[16:36:13] <mage_> ok[16:36:17] <mage_> thank you :)[16:36:28] <thumbs> msstp[16:36:29] <thumbs> err[16:36:54] <rob0> mmpst?[16:37:34] <thumbs> pftpfptpft[16:37:34] <mage_> msmtp looks ok[16:38:46] <rob0> anyway, not really enough in Tahvok's paste (and ugh, gazillions of useless comment lines to waste time and bandwidth.) It seems you're trying to submit on port 25, is that what your provider wants?[16:38:47] <Tahvok> postfix provides it's own binary for sendmail. Do this client do so as well?[16:38:56] <rob0> yes[16:39:27] <rob0> BTW I skipped over the main.cf, it's too much trouble.[16:39:48] <rob0> we have instructions for how to make a proper pastebin,[16:39:51] <rob0> !showconfig[16:39:52] <knoba> rob0: "showconfig" : when asked to provide your config, pastebin postconf -nf and postconf -Mf. if your version is too old for those commands to work (< 2.9), you should upgrade, but see !showconfig_old[16:39:59] <Tahvok> rob0: I will check them later. Yes, I want to use AWS SES via port 25. In fact I don't care, it's just the port AWS docs tell you to use[16:40:09] <rob0> ugh.[16:40:27] <rob0> !submission[16:40:27] <knoba> rob0: "submission" : Port 587 is submission, for user submission of mail, NOT suitable for mail exchange. See the commented example in master.cf. also see !msa, and rfc 6409. Also read http://www.maawg.org/sites/maawg/files/news/MAAWG_Port25rec0511.pdf[16:43:06] <Tahvok> postconf: https://gist.github.com/Tahvok/3a27af560baa9e0dae8f[16:43:49] <Tahvok> rob0: I have tried port 587 - got the same error[16:44:20] <rob0> aha ... now it's clear[16:44:38] <rob0> relayhost = [email-smtp.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com]:25[16:45:07] <rob0> You didn't have "[email-smtp.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com]:25" in sasl_passwd[16:45:07] <thumbs> bloody hell[16:46:02] <Tahvok> email-smtp.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com:25[16:46:14] <Tahvok> That's from sasl ^ . Isn't it the same?[16:46:48] *** rsx has joined #postfix[16:47:56] <rob0> email-smtp.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com:25 != [email-smtp.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com]:25[16:48:06] <rob0> no, not the same[16:48:22] <Tahvok> So I just add [] to sasl_passwd?[16:48:54] <rob0> If they're added in the right places, that might make it the same! :)[16:49:18] <Tahvok> # cat sasl_passwd[16:49:23] <Tahvok> [email-smtp.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com]:25[16:49:41] <Tahvok> Didn't post user and pass here..[16:50:08] <rob0> and did it change anything?[16:50:37] *** tomocha__ has quit IRC[16:51:10] <Tahvok> Yep, got a new error (at least something!)[16:51:20] <Tahvok> 535 Authentication Credentials Invalid[16:51:35] <rob0> cool.[16:51:50] <Tahvok> Will check it and reply back with results[16:51:57] <rob0> Fix the credentials and you're in business.[16:52:06] <Tahvok> rob0: Thank you! Was banging my head for 4 hours over this..[16:52:21] <rob0> Or, try a nullclient, probably easier overall, even at this point![16:52:32] *** tomocha__ has joined #postfix[17:11:08] *** guampa has quit IRC[17:16:43] *** guampa has joined #postfix[17:24:01] *** KaiForce has joined #postfix[17:24:24] *** carl- has quit IRC[17:25:37] *** lrea has left #postfix[17:31:53] *** JanC has quit IRC[17:32:05] *** SCHAAP137 has quit IRC[17:40:51] *** pti-jean_ has joined #postfix[17:46:04] *** JanC has joined #postfix[17:49:39] *** synthroid has quit IRC[17:54:11] *** vvassilev has quit IRC[18:06:20] *** zorg1 has quit IRC[18:08:08] *** davlefouAMD has quit IRC[18:24:17] *** synthroid has joined #postfix[18:25:03] *** lucascastro has joined #postfix[18:49:36] *** robinho86 has joined #postfix[18:51:00] *** gu1lle_ has joined #postfix[18:54:40] *** Haudegen has quit IRC[18:57:26] *** xorian has joined #postfix[18:59:02] *** troulouliou_div2 has joined #postfix[19:00:06] <xorian> Is it reasonable to set smtpd_sender_login_maps = $virtual_alias_mapsa ? Assuming that virtual addresses are mapped primarily to local users.[19:01:47] <rob0> ewww. You're likely to break things badly.[19:07:26] *** sarri has quit IRC[19:08:39] <xorian> rob0: It just seems like I would need to duplicate basically the same information in virtual_alias_mapsa to make smtpd_sender_login_maps restrict from addresses to the users that receive email from virtual aliases.[19:09:45] <lunaphyte> um, that's not how that works[19:09:50] *** Haudegen has joined #postfix[19:10:08] *** sarri has joined #postfix[19:10:40] *** lucascastro has quit IRC[19:11:01] *** pozitron has quit IRC[19:11:48] <lunaphyte> in any case, configure each lookup independently, and get things working properly. then inspect data sets and consider the possibility of redundancy reductions[19:13:24] <xorian> I guess I thought I could do that because I've seen a bunch of examples posted with smtpd_sender_login_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual[19:14:05] <rob0> well, that MIGHT work, but it could go haywire also[19:14:28] <lunaphyte> more "helpful" advice from tutorials and bloggers, i'm sure :)[19:14:38] <rob0> For that matter, don't use smtpd_sender_login_maps unless you actually need that feature.[19:15:43] <xorian> I suppose I don't *need* that feature, I just have multiple users who could all submit mail from each others addresses.[19:16:33] <phunyguy> lunaphyte, alright... both slaves are up. mail processing through both. Next step is another config review if you don't mind. :)[19:16:33] <lunaphyte> it's not necesarily a bad idea to restrict that[19:19:47] <rob0> Sometimes a user might legitimately need to use a different sender address, and it's a pain for them to have to clear it through the postmaster every time. Of course if a user does it maliciously, come down on him/her with your finest LART.[19:19:57] <lunaphyte> phunyguy: sure[19:20:25] <phunyguy> !lart[19:20:25] <knoba> phunyguy: Error: "lart" is not a valid command.[19:20:28] <phunyguy> aww[19:21:06] <lunaphyte> my users don't have that need often enough for it to be a pain to clear it through me[19:21:24] <lunaphyte> and - if they do, then that is an indication that there is something else being done wrong[19:21:32] <phunyguy> lunaphyte, alright, give me a bit. Might be a long bit depending one some things, but I'll get there.[19:21:56] <phunyguy> I hammered out the second slave on my lunch break. Gotta get back to i.[19:22:00] <phunyguy> it*[19:22:44] * lunaphyte is at odds with rob0[19:22:57] <lunaphyte> i demand to know which one of us is WRONG[19:23:14] <rob0> um, neither actually[19:23:33] <rob0> the relaxed approach is good enough for my site[19:23:47] <lunaphyte> that's not acceptable. in order for me to feel better, one of us must be wrong[19:24:03] <rob0> thumbs are wrong![19:24:22] <lunaphyte> i simply cannot live in a world devoid of artificial absolutes :([19:24:26] <rob0> or better yet[19:24:32] <rob0> cpm[19:24:34] <thumbs> thumbs opposes[19:24:57] <patdk-wk> I thought it was cp/m :)[19:25:03] <rob0> !cpm[19:25:03] <knoba> rob0: "cpm" : (#1) an operating system originally created for Intel 8080/85 based microcomputers, or (#2) creepmeister[19:25:11] <lunaphyte> nah, that's the os. it has fewer bugs[19:25:42] <rob0> !vice-versa[19:25:43] <knoba> rob0: "vice-versa" : adv : with the order reversed; on the contrary; on opposite sides. eg: 'rob0 loathes cpm and vice-versa'[19:27:12] <thumbs> no, no, thumbs loathes rob0[19:29:21] <rob0> yes yes that too[19:37:35] *** rsx has quit IRC[19:38:15] *** lucascastro has joined #postfix[19:38:58] <xorian> The context of my question is that I'm workibg on migrating a postfix/dovecot setup that has been running fine for years to a new machine with postfix 2.11. 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