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[11:00:35] <niemand> I have 2 mails in the incoming queue (/var/spool/postfix/incoming). How can I trigger the processing of those. Log shows that there has been an tempoary error when they came
[11:01:03] <pj> show logs, please
[11:01:08] <pj> !relevant_logs
[11:01:08] <knoba> pj: "relevant_logs" : Relevant logs are mail.* syslog Postfix logs (NOT verbose, see !verbose) which show the entire handling of a single mail which illustrates the issue with which you want help. Random selections from your mail log might not do. IMAP/POP3 daemons and external delivery agents typically log to the same facility (mail); those are usually not relevant here.
[11:03:08] <niemand> I guess that they are spam, but nevertheless they got stuck
[11:04:53] <pj> yeah, possibly, I see one message coming form pickup, though
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[11:05:22] <pj> and nothing else, really
[11:05:32] <pj> anyways, you can try flusing the queue
[11:05:41] <pj> !postqueue
[11:05:41] <knoba> pj: "postqueue" : The postqueue(1) command implements the Postfix user interface for queue management. It implements operations that are traditionally available via the sendmail(1) command. See the postsuper(1) command for queue operations that require super-user privileges such as deleting a message from the queue or changing the status of a message.
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[11:12:16] <niemand> I'm watching the logfile, but yet nothing has happened
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[11:35:54] <pj> is postfix actually running? it's not normal from my understanding for messages to get stuck in theincoming queue.
[11:36:02] <pj> deferred, yes, but not incoming.
[11:36:35] <niemand> postfix is definitely running
[11:38:13] <niemand> The deferred mails were all processed automatically as soon as the problem was resolved
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[11:51:06] <pj> well, try requeueing the mail with: postsuper -r incoming
[11:52:16] <pj> oh, sorry, you have to requeue them based on the individual queue ids
[11:52:31] <pj> see the postsuper man page
[11:53:25] <pj> postsuper -r ALL incoming
[11:53:31] <pj> that should work ^^^^
[11:54:21] <niemand> It said they have been requeued :)
[11:55:03] <niemand> They are actually not in incoming
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[11:57:04] <pj> ok, well you said they were in incoming
[11:58:04] <niemand> they were there, now they moved to maildrop
[12:05:48] <cybrNaut> there can be multiple addresses in the "From:" field, according to the RFC. Has anyone seen that done before?
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[12:26:19] <niemand> I whink I will now just delete these 2 mails
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[13:44:49] <adaptr> mail does not magically move from incoming to maildrop
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<nilesh> I'm using sender_bcc_maps with a virtual lookup table, which returns the address of the sender (trying to configure it to save a copy in sent mail folder). But the +Sent tag gets appended to 'TO' address instead of 'FROM'. While in logs I see 'orig_to=from+Sent'. Here's the relevant config - http://pastebin.kde.org/pqclwuo1k
[14:02:33] <waldi> nilesh: please read again what sender_bcc_maps does
[14:02:44] <adaptr> what is a "virtual lookup table" ?
[14:04:32] <nilesh> adaptr: database - I'm using mysql
[14:04:46] <nilesh> waldi: still not getting it what you're pointing me at. I read the man page of postconf at least 5 times now.
[14:04:47] <adaptr> then say that.
[14:05:02] <adaptr> nilesh: you didn't. it's huge.
[14:05:13] <adaptr> !tell nilesh goal
[14:05:13] <knoba> nilesh: "goal" : describe your goal, not what you think the solution is
[14:05:21] <nilesh> if I run postmap -q <sender> mysql:/etc/... I get the <sender+Sent> as result
[14:05:21] <waldi> nilesh: okay, then please describe _in your own words_ what you think it does
[14:06:07] <nilesh> waldi: um, sends a copy to the address it fetched from table for sende
[14:06:12] <nilesh> for sender
[14:06:46] <waldi> nilesh: and now read again what you said above
[14:06:49] <adaptr> !tell nilesh goal
[14:06:49] <knoba> nilesh: "goal" : describe your goal, not what you think the solution is
[14:07:25] <nilesh> adaptr: goal is to save a copy in user's sent mailbox in dovecot
[14:07:43] <adaptr> postfix is not capable of doing that.
[14:07:52] <adaptr> dovecot and/or you MUA are
[14:08:45] <nilesh> this guy got it right. I just need to put a ext +Sent in sender's address so dovecot handles the rest
[14:09:02] <adaptr> !tell nilesh tutorial
[14:09:02] <knoba> nilesh: "tutorial" : A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their server w/out reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to find hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
[14:09:08] <nilesh> waldi: my understanding is right, no?
[14:11:48] <nilesh> adaptr: I did follow tutorials, but read an equal amount of research. Everything is wokring fine now, just trying add this feature to my system
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[14:12:13] <rob0> I have done something similar to that, but you are not providing enough information to show why your attempt did not work.
[14:12:17] <adaptr> I have yet to come across a MUA tha does not save sent mail somewhere.
[14:12:27] <adaptr> so I wonder why it is necessary
[14:12:41] <adaptr> all you're doing is multiplying teh amount of mail that that user RECEIVES.
[14:12:55] <rob0> yeah, it's not really a very good feature, but customers think they want it, and it doesn't really hurt anyone else.
[14:13:34] <adaptr> also, + as a recipient delimiter doesn't work with the majority of online email forms. that means yuo need both + and -, and that isn't supported until 2.11
[14:13:42] <adaptr> (just use -)
[14:14:00] <rob0> Sounds like it's only being used internally.
[14:14:53] <adaptr> rob0: he'd still need both...
[14:15:03] <waldi> danialr: please ask the support for the software you use for dkim. postfix does not support it
[14:15:11] <adaptr> danialr: ask opendkim
[14:15:18] <danialr> oh ok
[14:16:34] <danialr> adaptr: i think it can be related to bind maybe something wrong in my zone ?
[14:16:43] <adaptr> we told you where to go for help
[14:16:52] <adaptr> start there.
[14:16:56] <danialr> you say here (we???)
[14:17:18] <nilesh> rob0: What information is needed? I want postfix to send a copy to <user>+Sent when a mail is received from <user>. The mysql view returns <user>+Sent when looked up for <user>.
[14:17:52] <adaptr> nilesh: and what is not working ? show logs and all other pertinent information, as requested in the /topic.
[14:18:41] <rob0> In your case you'd probably also want to include postmap -q output for an user address
[14:18:56] <nilesh> 1 second
[14:21:58] <adaptr> several problems there. 1. you're applying this to ALL received mail, which is silly, and 2. it's applied to ALL addresses - both senders and recipients.
[14:22:13] <adaptr> there is also some funky undeclared aliasing going on there
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[14:22:44] <rob0> nileshgr.com is hosted at Google.
[14:22:51] <nilesh> yes that's my personal email id
[14:23:04] <adaptr> what is an "email id" for god's sake
[14:23:05] <nilesh> the copy should be sent to support+Sent at acc dot ..
[14:23:12] <rob0> support@accessiblehawk is rewritten to me@nileshgr
[14:23:14] <adaptr> did you ever run a mail server before ?
[14:23:27] <nilesh> no this is my first
[14:23:36] <adaptr> it shows :)
[14:23:46] <rob0> do you have any local/virtual mailboxes?
[14:23:56] <nilesh> only virtual
[14:24:09] <rob0> support@accessiblehawk is rewritten to me@nileshgr
[14:24:20] <nilesh> that's the thing! I have no idea why is that happening
[14:24:27] <rob0> so it is not delivered to your virtual mailbox
[14:24:33] <rob0> well,
[14:24:38] <rob0> !getting_help
[14:24:38] <knoba> rob0: "getting_help" : before asking your question, provide a pastebin which includes relevant log data and your config. see !pastebin, !relevant_logs and !showconfig for instructions on doing this.
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[14:25:25] <nilesh> I got it now. I had added an entry in alias table and totally forgot about it. *goes to die in a well*
[14:25:33] <rob0> Looking back at the previous paste, you seem to be needing:
[14:25:36] <rob0> !basic
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[14:27:13] <cybrNaut> are multiple From: addresses supposed to be written like this> 'From: "my name" <address1,address2>' or like this> 'From: "name1" <address1>, "name2" <address2>'
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[14:32:28] <rob0> I don't know, cybrNaut, did you look in RFC 5322?
[14:34:35] <cybrNaut> i did quite some time ago.. i didn't recall which rfc it was. thanks for that
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[14:35:35] <adaptr> section 3.6.2, originator fields
[14:35:37] <adaptr> from = "From:" mailbox-list CRLF
[14:36:03] <adaptr> but it's largely irrelevant to postfix, which only cares about envelopes. and those must be specified one at a time
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[18:38:26] <jeev> Chin says Exchange’s reliability is generally taken for granted. “However, what if all e-mail communications suddenly became compromised?” he says. “For most organizations, this scenario is simply unacceptable due to the sensitive information contained within today’s e-mail conversations.”
[18:38:29] <jeev> ^ hahahahahah
[18:38:38] <jeev> reliability is generally taken for granted
[18:38:39] <jeev> hahaha
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[18:53:51] <adaptr> SMTP reliability is proven in the same way that Exchange reliability is proven to be a myth.
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[19:30:08] <jeev> i really dont know what the guy meant when he said exchange's reliability is generally taken for granted
[19:30:19] <jeev> what reliability? that you could always rely on it to break somehow ?
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[20:00:31] <mawe42> hi all. can anybody give me a pointer on how to configure SRS with postfix? the "official" docs on libsrs2.org seem to be abandoned and there seems to be no prepackaged tools (at least not on ubuntu...)
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[20:02:05] <adaptr> that stuff's all ancient and abandoned
[20:02:27] <adaptr> I can't even remember which of the other_software links survived. I weeded out a lot of 404s
[20:02:35] <adaptr> !addon
[20:02:40] <adaptr> see there for some pointers
[20:04:01] <mawe42> adaptr: i only see information related to SPF, but no SRS links. is SRS now included in the SPF tools?
[20:11:07] <adaptr> why are you wanting to use this ?
[20:11:25] <adaptr> there is no direct link surviving, no. all that there is, is bad patches for very old versions.
[20:11:34] <adaptr> just click the first libspf2 link.
[20:12:20] <adaptr> (5 seconds of experimentation would have told you this)
[20:13:33] <mawe42> adaptr: i've set up postfix on my own server as a forwarder for a lot of email addresses. some go to gmail, which does SPF checks. now obviously SPF breaks if i forward a mail that comes from a source with SPF -all records. so i read that SRS is the answer.
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[20:15:46] <UQlev> mawe42, if you are a legitimate forwarder the owner of domain should include your server in his SPF and that's it
[20:18:43] <mawe42> UQlev: i've got a lot of email domains, lets call them dom1.com, dom2.com. so somebody at web.de (large german hoster) sends mail to mawe at dom1 dot com
[20:18:56] <mawe42> my server forwards mawe at dom1 dot com to mawe at gmail dot com
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[20:19:27] <mawe42> gmail complains about invalid SPF records, because the mail arrives from my server, but originates from web.de (with SPF -all records)
[20:20:00] <mawe42> so SPF breaks "simple" forward, or so i've read (and it makes sense). the solution is SRS, sender rewriting scheme.
[20:20:44] <mawe42> now i could try and contact all email providers in the world to add my server to their SPF recods, but somehow i don't think they will hear me out... :-)
[20:22:50] <mawe42> what really puzzles me is that all information i can find on SRS is completely outdated. surely i can't be the only one with that problem?
[20:24:28] <adaptr> there is no goldy reason for you to perform this function unless you have a large amount of email experience.
[20:24:43] <adaptr> why are you sending mail on behalf of other people ?
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[20:26:48] <mawe42> adaptr: are you trying to tell me that email forwarding is unusual for you?
[20:27:42] <adaptr> I can tell you for a fact that it's not in any SMTP specs, yes.
[20:29:38] <mawe42> adaptr: come on... surely you must know .forward files, or /etc/aliases maps that point one address to another, extrnal one?
[20:30:13] <adaptr> certainly. but that does not "forward mail". it receives the mail and produces a new message that is sent from your server.
[20:31:01] <adaptr> the fact that SPF/SRS are old and only used by idiots like google and MS should give a Hint.
[20:31:15] <mawe42> adaptr: well, thats what i'm talking about.
[20:32:27] <mawe42> adaptr: ok... i that that if google and some large isps here in germany use SPF, it seems to have become a standard...
[20:32:45] <adaptr> it is not, no.
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[20:37:04] <mawe42> adaptr: that is interesting... sadly it doesn't help me with my setup.
[20:37:53] <adaptr> have you any proof that SPF is the reason your mail is not getting delivered ?
[20:39:26] <waldi> google uses SPF?
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[20:46:00] <mawe42> adaptr: well, the mail is getting delivered, but gmail classifies it as spam. when i looked at the headers, I saw SPF fail notices in there and thought, that google uses SPF states in their spam detection algorithm.
[20:47:43] <mawe42> i did a few tests and found out that some major hosters here in germany use SRS, at least when forwarding mail to google
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[21:14:29] <mawe42> adaptr: on second though... maybe SPF/SRS isn't really the problem here. i've just noticed some messages with SPF fail status in my gmail inbox, that are not classified as spam. i guess the problem lies elsewhere. thanks for you help, and asking the right questions!
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[22:53:04] <jimpop> i just realized why i dislike the postfix mailinglist. it's all fubar'ed btwn postfix.org and cloud9.net
[22:53:07] <jimpop> lol
[22:56:57] <adaptr> a little bit, yeah.
[23:04:02] <staticsafe> added a OR rule for it in sieve and its sorted just fine
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[23:04:29] <adaptr> sieve's way too modern for jimpop
[23:04:37] <adaptr> he carn't handle it
[23:06:36] <jimpop> i perfer perfection from others
[23:06:54] <adaptr> and you're perpetually disappointed
[23:07:11] <jimpop> quite often, yes :-)
[23:07:19] <staticsafe> must be a procmail user ;)
[23:07:25] <jimpop> noooooo
[23:07:43] <jimpop> local(8)
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[23:46:54] <likyng> hi, guys, i got a configuration issue with postfix
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[23:50:24] <thumbs> likyng: you do?
[23:50:55] <waldi> likyng: that unfortunate
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[23:52:29] <jimpop> likyng: cool, i once had one of those too. kinda miss it every now and then.
[23:59:30] <likyng> oh really?